The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Leeman's Dad's Fish Slap

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

The Dallas Cowboys have gone down 20+ in 5 straight games at home, and things seems to be falling apart. Rex Ryan went after Micah Parsons for his criticism of Cowboys coach Mike McCarthy, but did Ryan even know or understand the context of Parsons' comments? Dan, Stu, Greg and the Shipping Container break it down. Then, it's time for Lucy, Izzy, and Billy to deliver their against the spread picks before learning that Greg Cote has no idea how to invoice Meadowlark Media even if he wanted to. Plus, Ron Magill is here, and he IS horsin' around. Ron explains why horses in trailers are sort of like humans flying in planes, hoof care, branding of horses, their dental care, and Greg's horse syndicate. He also loses his mind on LSU for their handling of Tigers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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No purchase necessary. 21 plus ends November 15th, 2024. See rules at website for participating area and other important details sponsored by Diageo Americas Inc. New York, New York. This is the Don Lebatore Show with the StuGuts Podcast. Would you guys say that the way that the Dallas Cowboys game went on Sunday in terms of providing content is the best possible way any of that can go where it's not merely a loss at home. And I gave you this stat yesterday

from the illustrious Babe Laufenberg. The Cowboys have now been down 20 plus in five straight games at home. That's never happened in the history of the sport. Jerry Jones is all in. Five straight games down 20 plus at home. That's good enough just for your content machine. But let's add some things to it.

Receiver loses the ball in the sun. Michael Parsons can't stop podcasting. Just can't stop. It's such a, it is such a wonderful thing. I have no idea how it is, Stu Gotts. This part is super interesting to me about how athletes of this generation are going to be impacted by just things that happen to athletes that are different now than they were 30 years ago but temptation and danger is everywhere I don't know why sauce Gardner is bad now why is sauce Gardner bad now the Jets no idea why sauce Gardner is bad now just told you but michael parsons is maybe the only real star that team has like if you want to make an argument for dach and and and cd lamb maybe okay but i think in terms of

creating a name voice platform for himself and everyone regards him as excellent as well consensus on excellence the biggest star they got and he's a podcast problem because he really likes his podcast is not going to give away his personality to others for free he's going to monetize it for himself and then you've got rex ryan let's get to this sound here because uh... rex ryan really took out my cup arson

for and you know how this is among the coaches they do not like seeing their other coaches taken out even though we could go he was calling mike mcdaniel mcgenius on the air uh... now he's really going after michael parsons because michael parsons has questioned how much uh... how how hard basically his coaching staff is working is what it feels like mccarthy particularly mike mccarthy out okay he doesn't deserve this damn comment. He doesn't, no coach does. Look, there's some horrible coaches out there,

but none of them deserve this. The kind of work that they put in as coaches, like, I'm just telling you, you're giving up family time, you're giving up all kinds of stuff in your life, and you're gonna get some ass, sit back, I don't care how talented he is, that is absolutely BS and and if you would have worked half as freaking hard as a damn coach does, maybe you'd be able to play every damn game

maybe your team wouldn't just be a bunch of punks and lay it down every damn week like you're doing how about being a damn football team? You're going to sell your damn coach out? It's a crockish, you know what? Emotional. He said it like half of it, right? What was the context of Micah Parson saying Mike can leave and go wherever he wants? We have that clip here that we'll play. I took it more, he's talking about Zach, he's doing it through the prism of Zach Martin. Like these coaches can go anywhere.

I feel bad for the players that might be retiring after this year. That's why I think it was kind of taken out of context with the headlines, because he does say Mike McCarthy's name, but here's the full context of Micah Parsons. You know, that's above my pay grade about if Mike is coaching again next year.

But you know, all coaching aside, coaching Mike can leave and go wherever he wants. But guys, I kind of feel bad for these guys like Zach Martin and guys who might be on their last year on their way out. Cuz that's who I wanted to hold the trophy for. You wanna win games and do great things with those type of legends who put in more time and work than Mike McCarthy ever did. So those are the kind of guys that I have so much sympathy and hurt for.

That can't be what Rex Ryan is reacting to. Rex Ryan can't be reacting that emotionally to those comments. There have to be other comments. It can't be that. No, I mean, those are the comments. He did go back on his podcast and kind of just reiterate what he said, but those are the original comments that Rex was speaking about. Okay, because Rex Ryan was pretty emotional there defending the coaching profession and went after Micah Parson so emotionally that Logic ended up going out the window because he didn't really realize the excellence of the player he's criticizing. So he had to go after him. Maybe if you cared as much as McCarthy, you wouldn't be injured. But he's saying, but Micah is saying McCarthy is not, and

the coaching staff is not putting the work in. And Rex is like, no, I know what goes into being a head coach of an NFL team. What are you talking about? Why are you saying that? Micah Parsons has three sacks this year. He's played in five games. He's been injured.

I don't care. I don't care I don't want to hear from him. I mean it just feels very much like he read the headline never watched the video That's cuz that was like my when I saw the little headline on on first take or whatever was like, oh my god I can't believe he said that now watching that video. That's not what he said Like I just genuinely think he didn't watch it. I I did not hear that as a criticism of Mike McCartney Yeah, it was in form Also, he's like she got he's whether or not he's hurt or not having like the all-star season You want him to have like he's Mike appars as is like the star of the stiles Cowboys team is he I mean

I'm not certain I think I think that probably is I think Jerry thinks the Cowboys are the star of the team the star in the helmet is The star of the team Jerry Mike Jerry's the star of the team I heard but all this to answer Dan's original question, all of this is good for Jerry. Because I'm not certain Jerry cares as much about winning than he does about the value of his franchise and everyone talking about his franchise, even during a bad season. And we're sitting here talking about the Cowboys today, and Jerry loves that. The difference is that Micah doesn't feel the need to like impress Mike McCarthy.

He's just worried about what Jerry feels like. I feel like in most organizations, even though every team has an owner, you're trying to keep in good graces with the head coach. Where on this organization, unlike any other team, it just feels like he knows, I can kind of say whatever I want about McCarthy as long as I'm good with Jerry.

Well, that's because Jerry doesn't take the coach seriously. So if Jerry's not gonna take the coach seriously, then Micah's gonna say whatever he wants about the coach. I think if you took a poll of players, GMs, coaches, Micah Parsons by far, the most respected player, athlete ability on that team, I think everybody else falls pretty far short. And if anybody can criticize the coach,

my guess is it would be him, but I'm with you, Greg. I didn't hear that at all. I think that one of the things that we do, and Stugatsch just did it, and Rex Ryan just did it, and I do find it consistently maddening in the way that sports analysis is delivered, you disagree with someone or the behavior, and then you immediately diminish their excellence. And it's like, no man, just criticize what the person said. Don't say, is Mike Parsons a star?

I don't know. Like, is Micah Parsons a star? I don't know. I mean, what are you doing? You just don't know. You just don't. Giving you my opinion. OK, but you're not. Your opinion isn't based on the facts or his excellence.

It's just based on you disagree with something he did. I mean, he's never had more than 14 sacks in a season. I mean, I'm not certain he's such a big star. I mean, Micah Parsons and CD Lam are the two biggest stars on that team, along with Dak, only because he's such a big star. I mean Micah Parsons and CD Lamb are the two biggest stars on that team along with Dak Only because he's a quarterback But I do think there's an unwritten rule in the NFL that if you're injured if you're not playing You sort of shut up a little bit. Yeah, nobody wants to hear

And and that wasn't being mouthy don't don't get me wrong and he played Sunday and he played well he did that's true But he had missed like five games before that and very hurtful games for the Cowboys. Okay, but he was hurt. I understand that. Yeah, but if a player gets hurt and then they don't participate in the team or have thoughts or comments about the team

or feel like they're part of the team, they get criticized for that too. So like how much do you want an injured player to be part of your team? Like if you have an injured player who's out several weeks, that player is never made available to the media, just as a small example. Okay, look, you are obviously entitled to say whatever it is that you want to say about this. What I'm not going to do is say that Micah Parsons isn't more excellent at what he does for the Cowboys than anyone else is in their facility

over the last 10 years of Cowboys football. I don't think there has been anyone more excellent at what they do than what Micah Parsons is being asked to do for the Cowboys. And I give that kind of excellence a bit of a wide berth on opinion having, whether it is playing in the last five games because it is injured or not. Like I just, what kind of excellence do I have to present? So Tom Brady's the only one who's allowed to say whatever he wants? Yep, him and Michael Jordan.

Okay. Can we just rip on Rex Ryan? Because you said it yourself, as Chris just pointed out, he called McDaniel McGenius and it's cool just ripping on him, but don't say anything about the Dallas Cowboys, coach. That was weird, that last week he's fine criticizing McDaniel, making name calling, but this week it's like, hey, don't talk about the coaches. It's coach on Cowboys, Coach. That was weird, that last week he's fighting criticizing McDaniel, making name calling.

But this week it's like, hey, don't talk about the coaches. It's Coach on Coach Crime, though. This is player on Coach Crime. Can you guys look something up for me, though? Because I thought what it is that got Rex Ryan angry, and the emotion in what it is that he was saying, was based on some sort of conclusion he was drawing on Mike McCarthy not working hard or not

caring enough like I thought what Rex Ryan was doing there was in defense of how hard coaches work and how much coaches care and I didn't hear anything in Micah Parsons commentary there that questioned or criticized that. Can I have a make up potentially spicy take? I don't really care what Rex Ryan thinks about the Dallas Cowboys But at the end of that Micah clip that we played he does say He's working way more than Mike McCarty. He says him by name He I think he means by that that was players work harder than coaches But he says Mike McCarthy's name so it can be taken as a shot at Mike McCarthy

Even though I still stand by he was just building up like the veteran players. He was saying McCarthy if he does get fired he can go anywhere. The guys he feel bad for, Zack Morton who's been here forever, who puts in all the work unlike Mike McCarthy is essentially what he's saying. Look, this part though, okay, so if I may go and turn this into another story which is the San Francisco story that Kyle Shanahan who has been ravaged By Key West says has now been squashed. There is no problem with Debo Samuel and the long snapper and the kicker That's what Kyle Shanahan says

but I think what's happening here in both this instance and Throughout football all over the place is the guys who give their body to the cause do you think they're giving more than anyone else to the cause because they are like whatever whatever mike mccarthy feels in terms of hurt on monday's is emotional it's not physical mccarthy's in their four a m l yeah he is but he's

not in there with his body collapsing for reasons other than, you know, he had a breakfast burrito. That is the disconnect though. The coaches are like, I'm in here 4 a.m. till 9 p.m., working these long hours, and the players are like, I got a concussion last week. He's 61, his body probably hurts more than the players, to be perfectly honest with you.

Just getting out of bed. NFL head coaches are clogging toilets before the players are even waking up. There you go. Spicy. Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. I don't think it was that spicy a take to not care what rec-

I took some Tums, had a little bite to it. She said potentially spicy, she did. On her defense. At Levitard Show. That depends on how your spice tolerance is. Whose body hurts more? Who? Whose body hurts more?

61 year old coach getting out of bed in the morning. Football player waking up on Monday morning. Let's examine this for a second because. I think the coach. Well, Stugats has been doing a lot of flying lately. He's always complaining every day about his shoulder hurting and his back hurting. Or third option, my friend who got slapped

in the face with a fish. That is amazing. You said this was Lehman's father? Lehman's father did it to Lehman's friend and then Lehman was the best man at his wedding. How cute is that? They even forgave him. Wow.

Jessica, that is one of the most alpha moves I've ever heard, hitting someone in the face with a fish. I didn't think it happened in real life. Because. I'm a video. How face with a fish. I didn't think it happened in real life. I mean seriously. I have a video. How big was the fish? You're not enough of a fisherman for my liking. You have insulted my entire boating community and my outdoor sensibilities.

How about a slimy fish across your face? A challenge of a duel. I have rarely heard a disrespect larger than hitting someone in the face with a fish, that you're still holding. It's not even, you don't even throw it at him. You're just slapping. Which is more insulting, put this on the poll as well, Juju, at Levitard Show. More insulting, slapping someone across the face with your hand or slapping someone across the face with a flounder.

Let's just state the obvious. If Lehman's dad did this to me, he would not be making it home from the fishing trip. I mean, I don't think he would do it to you. I think I could accuse, I think I could- I'm a real alpha. I could arrest him for assault, and he would run the prison, being in there, as someone who slapped a friend of a son with a fish in the face. What was it, in international waters?

Maritime law, yeah. Anything goes. That's the whole point. Assault life. You have the prisoners in jail saying, hey, did you hear about this guy? How he got in here? Ha ha ha.

Ha ha ha. I have Lehman's father running the entire yard because the rumor has circulated that guy's in here for taking out his son's friend by hitting him in the face with a wet fish. Do you know how unpleasant that is for someone who doesn't want to bait a hook? Well, you also have to be careful which fish, right?

Because some of the fish are like, yeah, a scalion can cut you. That will cut you. Terrible. I've been hit with a fish. Accidentally, not slapped with one, but like a fish has flown off out of the water and hit me on a boat. It's not pleasant. Greg, did you make a spatchcock chicken yesterday? like a fish has blown off uh... uh... out of the water and and hit me on a boat it's not pleasant

uh... greg did you make a spatchcock chicken yesterday i did how did that come out wonderful it was perfect it was the perfect size for my air fryer i had a minute yeah is he thank you is he thank you to have me is the you can't turn the conversation that was that recently with Greg on a boat

being hit in the face by a fish. Fish to chicken, it's a natural transition. A fish that jumped out of the water. That wasn't true, he was stuck in the air. I think it was a barracuda but a very small one. You were not hit in the face by a barracuda. I had needle fish or something. You were not hit in the face by a flying barracuda.

It might have been a black shark but very, very small. You were not hit in the face by a flying barracuda. It might have been a black shark, but very, very small. I don't mean to over dramatize it. Right. You know. Hey podcasters, it's Mike Ryan. And let me tell you something, the NBA's got a lot going for it right now. Bright young stars hitting the court, teams playing exciting brands of basketball, and

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What time is it? It's Game Time! Dan Lebertard! I heard that as a woman faking pain. I didn't think that sounded real. I really didn't You know, it was not fake. It was in no way fake. You can spot a woman faking it. Stugats. Yes I can Jess. Expert. I've been married 40 years. This is the Don Lebatard show with the Stugats That's right, it's time for Against the Sprains! And it's brought to you by our friends at DraftKings.

Stay tuned because you'll hear about all that DraftKings has to offer throughout the show. DraftKings, the crown is yours. Lucy, kick us off. All right, this weekend I am taking Oregon minus 14 and a half against Wisconsin. I know that Dan Lanning likes to do funky stuff when he's playing teams that aren't necessarily the best teams you've ever seen.

Wisconsin's a bad football team. Iowa scored 40 points on Wisconsin. Iowa scored 40 points on Wisconsin. That's impossible. I know, it feels wrong, it happened. So I feel very confident in Oregon minus 14 and a half this week against the spread. Izzy, what do you got? I am super excited about my against the spread.

Last time I did it against the spread, it was back when the Indiana Fever were still in the playoffs. It was the fever plus six and a half, and I got that right, they only lost by six. And this one, Dan, the NBA Cup is back tonight, baby. We got the Mavericks and Warriors out in Golden State, that's Clay's return game, they're all gonna be wearing

little captain's hats because he's Captain Clay, did you know that? Nobody knew that, really. That's weird. But I'm gonna go with Heat Pistons, right? The Heat and Pistons in their first NBA Cup game. The Heat are favored by 1.5. I'm gonna pick them to cover.

The exciting thing about this game though, Asar Thompson, who is a second year player for the Detroit Pistons, like Chris Bosh, had some blood clot issues. He has been cleared to return, and that is great news for Asar Thompson. He and his brother were on the show once. Against the Spread!

The Spread! Heat minus 1.5. Billy. What the NBA called? A lot of... Billy, bring us home. I'm gonna pick... The Buffalo Bills minus two and a half at the Kansas City Chiefs... Or no, hosting the Kansas City Chiefs. A lot of people are saying,

Hey, the Chiefs are undefeated. They've been blowing everybody out. No, they haven't. It turns out last game, they almost lost on a field goal by the Broncos, and then the Chiefs in the last minute blocked it. So I think that there's gonna be an upset here even though they're favored. I'm gonna take the Bills minus two and a half

over the Kansas City Chiefs, putting to an end the undefeated season, and Mercury, Morris, and Koch can celebrate that they will still have the only undefeated season in the NFL against the Sprains. Your timing was impeccable there with everybody defeated season in the NFL. Against the Spray. Your timing was impeccable there with everybody working with the group to make music and punctuation on that segment as only you can Billy.

That was my fault? I mean if I'm the lead singer, the band has to be playing to my tune. Okay, I don't. So I would be arguing that they were not keeping up with my pace. Also Mercury Morris no longer with us. That's fine, you can celebrate in heaven.

Who made you the lead singer? Well, I mean, okay. We could bring him back like Bobby Knight. Perfectville, population one. That's what Mercury always used to say. And they eventually made a sign out of it. Like a, you know, welcomed up Perfectville sign. Population one, brilliant.

A guy also got a tattoo that said, undefeated, unforgotten on his belly. Really? Yeah. There's a whole thing. Picture. Big belly he had. A lot of letters. Don't forget that, man. Never take that away from them. Who's trying? I love it when athletes say, they can never take that away from me. People aren't trying to take that away from you any athlete Who's ever said that you're paranoid? Yeah, they can't take that away from us. You would have it. Yeah, right

Mm-hmm. I mean Stu gots has taken two championships from Kevin Durant That's they're probably referring to Stu gots. Well, maybe his personal record book, which I can't wait to get my hands on Well, thank you Greg Stu gots bookcom right now if you want a pre-order. I think it comes out in about 15 days the books are doing very well around here. I have a funny a couple of funny stories for you guys from Greg Cody earlier in the show. Right before the show started he as is his want he was complaining about an assortment of things. I asked him how the book was doing. He said he was doing very, very well. And then he looks at me and he says, and I'm sure you're getting a substantive cut. And I look at him and I'm like, I don't think I've not gotten a dollar. I don't expect to get a dollar from the sales of your book. And he's like,

no, you've got a big deal with Mango Publishing. And I'm like, oh, okay, let me call my COO now and ask him. And so I asked him. And him and of course he says no not one single dollar uh... and then your father complains he's like telling the pain where where's my check and so i say the mall where is greg kody's checking to be the last the question that is a real neutralizer has the invoice me

and and then the answers of course no so greg kody's expecting to be paid for something he hasn't asked to be paid for and is complaining about not being paid when he hasn't told anybody when he hasn't told anybody that he hasn't been paid what is this 1965 who does invoices right when I had a conversation with Bimel I'm like cut me four checks a year yeah pay me quarterly I'm not invoice oh I was in Monday and Tuesday this week. Let me invoice that where's my mimeograph paper? So I can invoice something that's in it the bill

It's a trick because he knows you're not gonna invoice him because who does that no one right? So it's like kicking the can down the road. I'm not even certain the invoice would help I don't know how to invoice. Where do you buy a piece of paper that says invoice on it? I hate to defend this, Greg, but it is standard practice for contractors and media to send invoices. Is that right? With a 30-day deadline for payment.

Yeah. You just make it in Google Docs and you write invoice on the top in big font, and then in little font, you put your name and your address and then you say pay to and then you put metal arcs address underneath that and then you put the amount and the rate and then the total and then the date and then an invoice. I don't do all that.

It's really easy. I can help you. And he knows you won't. I have not filed for mileage at the Miami Herald in 40 years because it's not worth it to me to do all that paperwork and cut through all that red tape so that I can get a check for 30 bucks. You'd pay for all your flights?

No, he said mileage, driving mileage. Driving mileage. Theoretically, when I go to a dolphin game, I could put in for mileage. Who cares? That's a lot of money, actually. Yes. But it's not worth my time to do an invoice. He oozes privilege in

ways he just doesn't even understand. Like he speaks that so effortlessly. I should get money because you guys should pay me and I shouldn't abide by any of whatever the rules are to what payment is. I don't need your money in any way. I just want to complain about not getting money. But why should Greg have to add up the miles? trust him He's Greg Cody when he tells you the amount of miles and how much gas and how much money he's owed just trust them That's why I've met listen. I didn't even know we had mileage we could do that Yes, you can and I can show you how to do it. Oh really every single week. All right, Greg What would be the amount that you'd be like? Okay, this is worth my time Well, if I were flying somewhere know what your. No, with your mileage and driving the amount.

My guess is that you have no idea how much money you're leaving on the table. But I'm guessing if we added up what your mileage could have been for the last 40 years, you will be shocked by what that number is. Keeping the Herald in business though. Let's not start filing for mileage now. But Greg doesn't see it that way.

He sees it as $22 at a time, and it's a lot of work for $22. That's all he's saying. I should ask for a retroactive mileage and put in an invoice for about $19,000. I'm about to do it. You should bankrupt McClatchy. It wouldn't be a big reach. By just sending your mileage for the last 40 years. You should have an attorney, just one itemized invoice for the last 40 years that finishes off McClatchy. I imagine the budget meetings and McClatchy's like, why do we have this surplus?

And they look, wow, Greg Cody doing us an amazing favor, never put in mileage once. I know, believe me, if they ever threaten to fire me, I'm gonna say, you realize how much money I've saved this company over the last 40 years? It's gonna get you nowhere. Yeah, zero, yeah. They don't give a shit.

Are you their longest standing employee, do you know? Currently I am, I'm sure. Wow. He's sitting. I mean, I'm not sure, but I'm guessing. I haven't really stopped to figure it out. There may be somebody who isn't a writer, who's like works background, who maybe they're longer than me, I don't really stopped to figure it out. There may be somebody who isn't a writer, who's like works background,

who maybe they're longer than me, I don't know. Do we still have press rooms? Somebody putting the paper to bed, that kind of guy? Or a woman? I don't even know. Wouldn't you have the answers? Put the paper to bed anymore. You would have the answers to these questions.

He really is just ruminating. He's just talking it out. How does my newspaper get put out? I don't know. The industry's failing. I'm just floating around on a sea of garbage for the rest of my life as journalism dies. So you cooked the chicken yesterday. It was wonderful. Thank you. And I wouldn't brag about it. I would be honest, if it were terrible I would say so. I was worried that the skin wasn't gonna get crisped up because it was marinated in like a lemon rosemary sauce.

But your oven's broken, right? That's why you had to go with the air fryer. You were nervous about that. I went with the air fryer and I was prepared to crisp it up in one of these old-timey Ron Popeil rotisserie mini-ovans, which I have and haven't used for like 40 years. I assume it still works. one of these old-timey Ron Popeil rotisserie mini ovens, which I have and haven't used for like 40 years, I assume it still works. But the air fryer did the trick, okay?

I've only been using an air fryer the last couple of years, it's the best thing that's ever happened. It's a pretty great invention. Yeah, it's wonderful. It's just great. I love that you just sort of discovered it here, though, recently, right? Because- Within the past couple years.

And you're hard to get to learn anything, to change, to grow. You know what you know, you're comfortable in what you know, you don't need to know anything else. Right. So you embarking on a air fryer is a big step for you, is it not? You probably fought the urge to learn for a long time there. You're learning allergic. Right. No, that's probably a fair comment. You know, I adopt new things cautiously. Reluctantly. Okay, but when I approve of something new, it has

the gold seal. You know what I mean? Another example is I've just recently purchased a digital scale. Really? You gold shielded? Yeah. I no longer have to look at a needle. Wow. Big day. You know, go between numbers. Now it tells me down to the two-tenths of an inch. So I know whether I weigh 191.4 ounces. Of a pound. Yeah.

Yeah, whatever. But shouldn't they make it down to the one-tenth? Hmm. Well, it sounds like you got a good one I just a one-tenth two-tenths. That's incredible depends what you need to measure and weigh. Yeah It's uh, you know, you don't like to get on that scale when you're me. I'll tell you that. Oh, yeah But I have to work to three chill itself is great. Right golden see that's cock chicken Yeah, as is the spatchcock chicken in an air fryer. Does your scale have the thing where it's like programmed person one, person two, so you can keep track? Because I always forget, am I person one or person two? Yeah, not to my knowledge. And

then I go and I'm like, I gained 87 pounds. That's insane. Wasn't me. That's above my pay grade. I use the scale too. Like I got, had a propane tank filled the other day for my griddle and I wanted to weigh my two propane tanks to see which was the lighter because to the you know to the hand they both felt exactly the same so I weighed them both on my digital scale they were exactly the same they both weighed 23.2 pounds. Wow. What a payoff to the story. Amazing! The Fireworks Show concludes with the punctuation you were expecting. The golden seal though.

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There's no safe like Simply Safe. Don LeBattard. Quiet man. Yes. You know, I'm a married man. I don't cheat on my wife despite that gratuitous line in back in my day. That you wrote. Stugats. I wish you were here, my wife. I really miss her.

No, I don't. That's the thing about being married. You know, you're not allowed to say I don't miss my wife. I've been gone two days. I haven't been gone long enough to miss my wife. I'm sorry. I call her. I'm on the phone with her for 30 seconds. You know, what am I? Hello. All right.

All right. We'll see you. All right. And then, you know, I'm going to see her in two days. I was jumping Charlie. Good. This is the Don LeBattar Show with the StuGuardz. Cody, it's taken us weeks to get to this subject matter with Ron McGill. I have failed. So go

ahead and set up the question that we've had for him for weeks to get an answer that I'm not contaminating the jury pool on. Go ahead and just tell Ron McGill what your theory is and let's see if we can get an answer from him that agrees with you. Yeah, Ron, I don't know that this is quantifiable or can be proven or disproven, but I have a supposition that when horses are riding in a horse trailer on a highway going 60 miles an hour, that they enjoy the ride. That they not only tolerate it and it doesn't stress them, but that they enjoy it. My anecdotal evidence is sometimes the horse trailer allows you to see the head of the horse.

And I always see a relaxed animal in there. I never sense any stress, any agitation. What's your thought on that? Oh, it depends on the horse. I mean, it's just like people. Some people are afraid to go on roller coasters. Some people love going on roller coasters. Horses generally that are used to being trailered

know it's safe and like a dog putting his face in the breeze with the air blowing through and, you know, being kind of enriched by the surrounding environment, the changing environment, it's somewhat positively stimulating for certainly for some horses, they tend to enjoy it. But I think other horses, you know, would get panicked with it.

I mean, it's again, as individual it i mean it's not going to have any individuals people it's just the ability of a person to help train their horse to trust the trailer understand there's no no threat there yet i'll take that as a win thank you ron move by a percentage of majority minority of forces uh... tampering if you have to argue on one behalf for the other day which uh... asked tampering if you had to argue on one behalf or the other which

Majority of horses enjoy that or don't enjoy that well, I would say that if you went out to a you know a herd of horses And tried to trail of them that had never been trailer before, the majority overwhelmingly would not like it. That being said, if you've got a horse that you have trained and you've gotten to trust a trailer, you know, a horse that is moving all the time from, you know, show to show or whatever, those horses can enjoy such a thing. Again, it's all the individual, all the type of training the animals being given. Generally speaking, the horses you see on trailers that are calm, looking out the, you know, the slats of the trailer are pretty much enjoying

or just very relaxed in the trailer. If a horse is not relaxed, you would know it. So when you see a horse relaxed that way, it's doing pretty well. Ron, it sounds kind of like this is like humans that are afraid of flying, right? Like they're afraid of it because they've never done it before, but the more they fly, the more they get comfortable, the more they get comfortable, the more they almost enjoy it. So it's almost like we should be putting all horses in trailers and driving them around,

and then they'll all enjoy it, theoretically, correct? Well, no, theoretically, because my wife's been flying for 50 years and she still hates it and can't stand it and is still very uncomfortable flying. So- You get a horse to water, you know? Yeah, exactly.

It's all about the individual. There are certainly some horses that will never like to be in a trailer, and there are others that really do like it. You know, when you train your dog, for instance, you'll use a sky kennel in your home to kind of house train your dog, right? The dog learns that, okay, this is my house kennel.

This is where I find my security. There are dogs that actually love to sleep in their kennels as opposed to having the whole run of the house. That's where they find their security. You can do the same thing with a trailer with a horse, making the horse understand, listen, this is your safe space, you're gonna be good in here, and enjoy the scenery as we ride,

enjoy the breeze in your face. There are other horses that are gonna say, I don't believe you, I'm never gonna believe you, I'm gonna be totally panicked the whole way. And those are horses that don't go in trailers. Ron, there's this very popular guy on YouTube who does like manicures and pedicures for cows and horses like with their hooves. I'm wondering if you've seen those videos and if that is a

sort of thing that is common that there's just people that for a living they they treat wounded cow hooves and like spray them with salicylic acid and wrap them up all the time? Well, hoof stock, hoof training and trimming and cleansing, that is very important, very popular, it's very important for their health. You know, we do that here at the zoo with everything from giraffes to elephants, they get pedicures, manicures, whatever you want to call them. So that hoof care is very, very important. Horses, you know, that's a profession. Being a good farrier, you have good farriers and you have bad farriers. If you don't treat those feet the right way,

that can lead to a type of ailment that actually can create the animal to be lame and eventually actually lead to its death. So hoof care is very, very important. Now this guy may be dressing up for YouTube, you know, put a little polish on there, making it look a little foo foo and this and that, but the core of the care is very important. Ron I've seen a thing called freeze branding as opposed

to regular branding for horses and cattle and stuff like that is that new and also is that more humane than regular branding? Listen branding whether it's freezing or heat it's a it's it's a painful process but having said that you know so is tattooing and some people love that. So I don't know what to say in that matter. I mean, when people get tattoos, it's their choice. I think when you're branding an animal, it's certainly not its choice and it doesn't understand what the branding is for. I'm not a big fan of branding. More than that, I prefer, you know, maybe an ear tag, which is quick

and boom and there. But branding, and I understand the reason for it, I understand out in big herds, out in big plains and stuff, it's much easier to identify property that way. I'm just not a fan of it, I've seen it happen, I've seen it done, and it's not pleasant by any stretch of the imagination. Ron, one of the things about animal care that fascinates me is, and isn't talked about much,

is animal dentistry. that fascinates me is, and it isn't talked about much, is animal dentistry. How big a part of your animal care is that at your zoo? Huge. It's absolutely huge. And people who don't think dentistry is important for their dogs and their cats, you could be cutting, shaving, you know, years off the life of your animal. Dental care is absolutely critical to the overall general health of an animal, any animal. You know, whenever we immobilize everything from tigers to zebras here, you know, the zebras will is absolutely critical to the overall general health of an animal, any animal. Whenever we immobilize everything from tigers to zebras here, the zebras will float their teeth

much like you'll float, you take a literally, it's like a file to float their teeth to make sure they're meeting properly so the animal can masticate its food properly. Tigers and carnivores, we're constantly removing the tartar from them and primates, things like that. Because the same types of infections can take place in the mouths of these animals. This can take place in people.

And you know what happens if people don't take care of their teeth, dental care. That can lead to all kinds of secondary issues that can become really critical. Pete Do you believe that the horses enjoy horse racing? Pete Hmm. Dave That's a tough question. I don't, I do believe that horses will instinctively run against each other. You know, I used to not race my horse, but I would ride my horse.

And when I had friends of mine with their horses and we go out on a big airstrip, man, when those horses start running, I didn't have to go, I mean, I just let them go. And once the other one, they raced each other and there seemed to be a challenge that way. Having said that, horse racing in and of itself, what goes beyond the closed doors of the barn

and what they do with these horses, I'm just not a fan. I'm not a fan. I just think that the- We didn't ask if you're a fan. We asked whether or not the horse is a joy or not. Not personal opinion here, yeah, exactly. Sounds like some do. Don't need your politics involved.

Wow. What was your horse's name? My horse's name was Tampico. Tampico, I like it. Tampico, that was my horse's name. Let's have Greg ask that question, okay, and see if he gets a different response from Ron, because I believe he might.

How do you spell that horse's name? What does that horse's name mean? Tampico is a little town in Mexico where his parents were born. Okay. T-A-M-P-I-C-O. Ron, I was making, you may not even know, I'm a fractional owner of a racehorse named Comley, and there are good trainers and bad trainers. There are mistreated horses out there for sure. My racing syndicate, I think, has really high marks for horse care. I was making the argument that if you're a thoroughbred

race horse, tampering. When I just think of a racing syndicate, I don't think of great care. Once you throw in the phrase syndicate, I just don't think of care. And the way you said it is if you've had a lot of experience with other syndicates, you went to one syndicate, you've seen one syndicate I just I just don't think of care and the way you said it is if you've had a lot of experience with other Syndicates you went to one syndicate you've seen one syndicate We get I get an insider's bulletin twice a week that email they don't put all the bad stuff

They do that details all all of the progress They're making in animal care and in the way that they're at the head of the industry on that believe it or don't but my question to Ron is, I think a thoroughbred racehorse is well taken care of. I think these are some of the most cared for animals around. I don't think, you know, they're mistreated. And I'm wondering if you agree with that or don't. I don't think they're mistreated Unfortunately, like you say there are some areas where they can be my big concern with thoroughbred horses is When they're no longer winning races and they can no longer race what happens to them

And that's something that I think a lot of it, you know people who have investigated this have found things that have been not so not so Happy, let's say, right. My sister's horse, his name was Titan. He was a racing horse. And if my sister had not gotten that horse, he was on his way to the glue factor. That's something that that that's that bothered me. You know, at the end of the day, Greg, I think the problem is, as it is with so many things, money, you know, if this horse is making your money

and he's he's he's producing for you, boy, you're not gonna hold back on investing to keep that money flowing. But as soon as that stops, what happens to that horse? Now, again, I went to school at UF up in Gainesville. I was in Ocala quite a bit. That's horse country here in Florida. I saw people caring for retired horses there

in incredible ways. Some of those Ocala ranches and farms are phenomenal with the investment of horses. So I don't wanna paint with a broad brush here. But I just think when you start getting into the amount of money that's involved in these race horses, I would like to see that amount of money invested in them throughout their lives

and not just when they can produce for you. That's fair. Ron, we've talked about live mascots before, but I'm wondering if you saw what happened this past week. Oh, that LSU shit, I cannot, oh, sorry. I cannot believe it. Ron! Don't be sorry, go ahead. No, please, it made me very angry and sad also,

so what was your reaction? It's just, I couldn't believe they did that again. I mean, this is like, God bless America, you know? They had stopped doing that because they finally listened to people saying, yes, and you should not be putting a tiger in a cage in the middle of a football field with tens of thousands of people around it.

It's just a horrific thought to do that. And they do this again. And listen, I was sickened by it. To be honest with you, I was really ticked off, really ticked off to see that happen again. And I'm sure they're getting such a rash of crap right now that they won't do it again. Can you explain to us, for those who do not understand how it is that you might

humanize a tiger how disorienting that particular environment would be to something as finicky as you know the feline kingdom? This is this is this is a solitary animal that depends on elusiveness, on being able to stalk, being able to kind of be invisible, okay? And now all of a sudden you're putting it in a cage where it has no escape to get away from anything, a tiny little cage surrounded by tens of thousands of people

with all these bright lights and flashes and music and screaming and all that stuff. Look, let me just put this in perspective. Okay. Uh, why don't you take, take a child, take a child and isolate that child, uh, never having exposed them to this type of thing and put them in a cage and have all these screaming people, all these lights and stuff going on and think of, what would happen? Think of what would happen. Um, it's just not natural. It's the, it's the wrong thing to do, man. You know, this urge we have to always set the bar for more likes and more clicks and more social media reaction

is at the detriment of living things, and that shouldn't be. You know, to me, I know this is going to rile some people, but you know, social media to the end the toilet bowl of the internet for whatever good it does I can find 20 things that are worse that it does and it saddens me it really saddens me to see something like as majestic as beautiful as a tiger subjected to that kind of exposure that exploitation for the sake of of wiles at a football game I don't think that social media is responsible for putting that tiger on the field and I'm with chris cody who's been arguing all week that we should take brian kelly and just put him in the serengeti and see how that goes to the indicate a cage of course they have a lot of them even though maybe not in a

gate he feels safer in a gays and not engage a bit of a not a gated and let him just wander around out there i don't think people necessarily understand how skittish the tiger is though ron like when you're talking about the lights and the music The tiger I think we assign strengths to the tiger that don't really understand its personality very well exactly You're exactly right. You know this tiger is stressed I guarantee you he's stressed just because he's not you know flailing against the bars and screaming But this is an internalized stress. I can promise you that tiger felt stress going out there

and experiencing all of those, you know, stimulations around it. That's just not natural for an animal like that. And it's, to me, it's inhumane. I gotta tell you though, Ron, I'm shocked that your tiger take is what it is, but horses, no problem. 85 miles an hour down the highway, just- Greg's two for two. Just flying down the highway. No, no, but horses, no problem. 85 miles an hour down the highway just...

Greg's two for two. Just flying down the highway. Greg was real to be doing it. That's the way I heard it. You're talking about a domestic animal that has been born and raised and acclimated to a certain situation for transport. You're not exploiting that animal.

You're transporting it safely because you have trained it properly to go from point A to point B. You're not taking an animal against its will and putting it into a cage and exposing it to all kinds of stimulation that is nothing but stressful to that animal. I can guarantee you that if the horse was bucking

and going crazy in the trailer, they would not have put it in the trailer and moved it out because it would end up up killing itself, okay? So these horses that you see trailing have been trained. There's a big distinction between a domestic animal and a wild animal, okay? Same thing to you, when you put your dog in the car, a horse is a domestic animal.

It's an animal that's been domesticated over hundreds, if not thousands of years. This is not the same as a tiger. A beautiful horse blanket. That's the thing about that. The horses travel with beautiful blankets on their back. Am I wrong, Ron? They do.

I don't know if that makes it any better for them traveling. But- Susan. Oh, a blanket makes everything better. Of course, you cuddle up with a blanket. Yeah, Ron, what kind of fool are you? How do you not understand that a blanket makes everything better? See you later, Ron.

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