The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Mark Zuckerberg's New Look (feat. Pablo Torre)

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

Mike is infatuated with Pat Burrell to start the hour and makes the argument that he had the greatest individual season in the history of the University of Miami athletic program. Then, Pablo Torre joins the show to discuss Mark Zuckerberg's new look and how a small group of wealthy right wingers that control the content we digest are getting unprecedented access to President Trump. Also, Greg Cote does not understand how our new Venmo Fine Bucket works after taking a fine for his phone going off and tries to get out of it once again. Does he have a Back In My Day today? Plus, Pablo is going to be featured on this week's Oral History, the worst bad beat in prop betting history, Nick Wright is a bad guy and Leonard Hamilton and Mark Jones are shockingly old. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. This is the Don LeBattor Show with the Stoogats Podcast. This is behind the bit. This is behind the bit. This is behind the bit. We take you back to a better time in the show's history a time at least for me where I was happiest because We were at ESPN All right, go enjoy the party take care. I'm sorry I couldn't get you in trouble. I was trying so hard Mickey. Best from Tim, huh?

Stay white Come on, I meant that in the most loving way possible. Yeah, the backstory on that is funny because Mickey Areson is the owner of the Miami Heat. At the Heat Championship Rally that had a whole lot of people at it, the slogan for that year was White Hot. And they won the championship, and he was nervous speaking in front of people because he's not really a public person that way,

and instead of saying to everybody, stay White Hot, he said to a whole lot of white people in a very divided Miami, stay white, in sort of echoing white supremacist rally kind of way, which is not really what you're going for. I'm certain he wasn't going for that. Stay white is not, Miami's very ethnic, Miami's very black and brown and also white,

but to tell a bunch of people to stay white and to have it sound kind of Aryan was not the Miami Heat's best moment. Heat just slipped up. Instead just slipped up instead of saying, stay white hot, he told his fans to stay white. And our show seized on that. And we would use that as a sounder. It would be in something called the end of show montage.

It was just a sound whenever we would suey people, say white was a part of it. So that was his first interview with us since Dan had made a mockery of that one public speaking mishap. And that's why you hear someone in the background go, ah, and reacting to it. But Dan, credit to him, told Mickey to his face

to stay white. Mickey Harrison is a friend of yours. And really where it gets tricky, and I think probably why he might be a little bit upset, is he realized he was embarrassed enough already. He had made the mistake. He meant to say, stay white hot. He said, stay white.

He doesn't need to hear it from his friend on the radio. We played it a lot. Yeah, we played it a lot. We could have played it less. We could be talking about it less now. I don't know that he's had a worse, a more embarrassing public moment. So to have me bringing it up all the time,

less than pleasant for him. Actually, I have a funny story about that. So Mickey, who's the owner of Carnival Corporation, was showing off one of his boats, one of his new boats. And like the deck and the chairs were all white, you know? Like, and I referenced it to everybody, quote tweeting on Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it, I don't care.

It was in quotes, I think. Stay white. Apparently Mickey forgot that he said that and didn't get the joke. I guess he thought it was a kind of a racial comment He texted Dan like what the fuck is your producer doing here like we was going on state white and Dan went up to me and said hey Mickey is

Asking about what you're saying here. Like, what's going on? I was like, you don't remember what he said at the parade? He said, stay white. And I brought it up as a reference. Like, and Dan laughed about it, so he had to explain that to him, which was pretty funny, I bet.

But yes, I remember Mickey Harrison not being happy about that. I don't remember the particular thing he told- That's something that stays with you. Like, you don't forget that. Like, Roy sending that to him Harrison not being happy about that. I don't remember the but that's something that stays with you. Like, you don't forget that. Like, Roy sending that to him saying, I forgot about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't. He doesn't like that we had that much fun with that. Why would he like that? No.

The amount of calls Dan has taken over the year. Yes. Because one of us has done something. Yes. I'm so proud of Roy. A lot of those. I've had a lot of those. For me, mostly. Mostly you, yes. Was there any reaction to it, any backlash? Oh, we laughed and laughed and laughed and laughed and laughed.

It was hilarious. As far as, it was just us. I don't know about anybody else, but it was just us. Mickey Harrison yelled that out as he was leaving the podium Greg cody just said during the break that if jared goff wins mvp, he will indeed shave his eyebrows He just made that pledge ameen was made very happy by that pledge Uh, I we need to stop playing the stay white thing

We need to stop doing that because you're gonna it's gonna make I promised Mickey Harrison We wouldn't do very much of that anymore I've made a mistake. I'm doing a lot of apologizing today That there are some secrets here to the doing of the show and I hope Mike Ryan starts revealing some of those in the second Half of our oral history and you know, there are little delights. I notice all the time I will follow Billy's face anywhere. It made the show difficult to do yesterday because he was a dinosaur.

And during the break, I'll follow Mike's face on something that I see in enthusiasm, but I don't know entirely what it is. And clearly I aired last segment talking too much football quarterback because I lost Mike Ryan last 10 minutes of that segment because I can see on his face there was something involving Pat Burrell that had delighted him and I needed to follow that wherever it is that it went and I

failed to follow that because I I saw that you and Jeremy I lost him entirely because he was thinking 19 you know or 2001 University of Miami baseball 1996 Pat Burrell season one of the greatest freshman seasons in the history of You know our 2001 University of Miami baseball 1996 pep Earl season One of the greatest freshman seasons in the history of college baseball 484 batting average pep Earl was incredible And I think you owe him an apology for not even considering him here when you're talking about cam ward having the greatest Individual season in UM athletics history now Mike you said one of the greatest season in UM athletics history. Now Mike you said one of the greatest freshman seasons ever and they said he

batted 484. Is there another freshman season you could think of anywhere that competes with that? I wanted to hedge my bets specifically in that sport because you know I don't know college baseball. If you go to college baseball if you have to play like two seasons. Mark Katze will bat 500 in a college baseball season. The very best of college baseball players will put up some ridiculous batting averages. There's one player, and I can go back and find it, who hit over 550 in a single season,

and that is the single season leader. But as a freshman, to that point, no one had ever, as a freshman, hit for a 480 batting average or higher. So Pat Burrell had set the single season freshman record. So I was absolutely hooked on that. You mentioned the next oral history episode, what we do with that. We're actually hitting pause on the narrative storytelling of the oral history

this week because we wanted to have a special like halftime episode where we focus on all the wonderful co-hosts That have joined our show all the talents that have sat in the seat that Greg is sitting in right now It's an episode that shines a spotlight on a mean and Greg and others One of them is Pablo Turing and he has a new podcast It's not so new anymore Pablo Turing finds out it is getting a lot of critical acclaim He does real inspired journalism it's not the new anymore pablo tori finds out it is getting a lot of critical acclaim he does real inspired journalism uh... there and as our journalistic conscience here at

metal art media uh... can you tell me what you make of everything happening with mark zuckerberg and uh... whatever it is zuckerberg is doing these days as elon musk tries to buy america and four people are gonna have the finances to be able to run the entire world here in about six minutes. Yeah, it's a great story.

It's a great story that's founded like superficially in Mark Zuckerberg. And we did an episode about this early on, 2023, an episode about Mark Zuckerberg falling in love with mixed martial arts and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. You've sort of seen his, I've seen his, since college, his visual appearance, his style evolve.

He was one of the most awkward people on the planet. If you ever remember, if you ever seen that video about him talking about a sweet baby raised barbecue sauce, you know that. And he's since sort of restyled himself into this MMA guy. And what he's doing now with Dana White is, look, it's very transparent. Just on a political level, like Dana White is a surrogate for Donald Trump. Facebook, like Amazon, like every multinational corporation in America is figuring out how do we now deal with the guy, the president, who wants us to show our fealty to him.

And so Dana White being on the board of Metta is shocking only if you don't follow that story. But I think there's a bigger story about content moderation here. So like, and wait, look, this is gonna be me talking for a while, guys. You want to make fun of me now? Should I wait? Should I just keep going? Well, thank you. I'm glad that you actually stopped yourself here

because Mike had stopped listening. He's still thinking about Pat Pearl. I'm actually going down there to talk about the IMG Academy head coaching hire that Bill Belichick just made. Okay, yeah, all right, yeah. He's not interested in what it is that you're talking about as it relates to Dana White

and collapsing systems of all kinds, but you wanna continue? Yeah, like the whole idea of free speech, right? That's the whole platform. And so content moderation, when it was not Donald Trump as the president, when the culture was in the other part of the pendulum swing, content moderation, I used to say this, was the reason why all of these tech CEOs, the richest people in the world were stressed out about their jobs.

Because they had to do the hard act of basically being a Supreme Court justice and trying to figure out what speech is allowed, what is dangerous, what is free, what's okay, what's not, what's harassment, what's abuse. It's an impossible question that literally the Supreme Court has really hard, yeah, really hard times trying to solve. And what? What? What?

I wanna stop you for just a second, just one second, okay? I know there are a lot of global things to be worried about and one of them, I don't know whether it goes in your top 10 or not, is the fact that the richest people in the world are getting even richer as we create more desperation between the haves and the have nots. And I read the other day that Jeff Bezos had a six million, $600 million wedding in Aspen. And I was wondering

if any He came out and really in a way that he hasn't publicly, it was fake, slam the hell out of that story. Okay. So there are no details being reported about a $600 million wedding because when I saw that, these guys are already funding things that cost more than that to just do space space competitions. I love the idea that he says whoever said I had a $600 million wedding is outright

lying. It's preposterous. We're just dating. I mean, yeah, you didn't volunteer the number but look there's a lot of online conjecture about Jeff Bezos and he's never really been all that compelled to come out as strongly as he did so I'm guessing something was off there when the reported detail was 600 million dollars he came out on social media and blasted it. But the through line here is that they are coming out strongly and I mean that literally like Jeff Be Bezos is Jack now, Mark Zuckerberg works out. Like these guys have become the other side

of the cultural aisle when it comes from Nerdville now to like, we are jocks. And what I was gonna say about the content moderation thing is simply that they don't have to worry about that question anymore. Cause now content moderation is what they always wanted it to be, which was just

satiating the people who could get them in trouble. Content moderation was always about how do we protect our own asses and now the people holding them to account are not some larger democracy with sensitivity towards minority groups it's just the one guy and so on the board of Metta is Dana White. We know his general approach to quote-unquote free speech and we know that he's now dissolving, Mark Zuckerberg is, the board that he had tried to install that would be a pseudo Supreme Court in terms of figuring out what's okay and what's not. So everybody can stop pretending that they cared about content moderation and now it's just straight appeasement which is again predictable but also very funny visually. Pablo one of the most shocking things I

think about that video was the part where he says in part this decision is because well we saw the election like he outright says it's like the other people have spoken like they don't care about this stuff they you know America wants this and I this it's one thing to, hey, I don't want the burden of censorship. It's one thing to say, hey, we're going from, you know, removing content to reducing mistakes in removing content. Like all those things I think you can make a rational argument for and see like, yeah, that makes sense.

But when he blatantly says, yeah, the election results also let us know that like the times are changing that was the part I was shocked that he would admit out loud yeah and by the way like I don't have a good solution right content moderation is in fact really hard look at Elon's approach to X his approach has been a winning one a quote-unquote popular one to go to the rhetoric that Amin was just citing there. I don't have a good solution it's literally why I keep on repeating this the Supreme Court has to rule over these free speech issues there is no easy standard for what is fire in a crowded theater versus

abuse of minorities. It's incredibly hard and it's case-by-case basis and it's not best left to tech companies but to to what I mean is saying, like they're basically saying, yeah, look, Trump won and people don't care anymore about this. And I think that is, I guess, statistically narrowly true. He won a majority that is more narrow than the rhetoric suggests. But also I think it's broadly true

because everyone else is just exhausted. It's exhausted. Everybody here, I think, is tired of the argument about, can this person say this or not? Even people who care about the trampled upon smaller groups in this country that are being, you know, not just punched down upon, but like a roundhouse kicked off of platforms. All of us are like, I guess that's just what it is. The other- And I don't blame you.

The other thing, Pablo, is there's also degrees to all of this, right? There's degrees. When you say people shouldn't be allowed to say this, one of the things that's been happening over the last couple of days is as these fires are raging in California, in the past, Twitter has been like a great resource for people in these crisis moments of where to get help, where to avoid all these kind of informational things. And instead, Twitter has been flooded because the algorithm is flooding the timelines

with shit that's not really relevant to people trying to get information in time of a crisis. And that's kind of the thing. It's one thing like, hey, you should say unhoused instead of homeless versus actual actionable things that people need out of these devices. Yeah it's one thing if it's just hey that's a sex worker not a prostitute right and it's like okay let's you know whatever we're all exhausted by that but when the people in charge aren't good at

surfacing important necessary helpful speech that's where you're like, it maybe is a problem that all of us, that everybody everywhere is working for a tech company whose incentives are not actually in the direction of the broader benefit of human beings, but rather the self-interest of the people who run these platforms. That would be an issue to me. The symbolism is a bit amazing that we would be having any kind of conversation about uh... america literally being on fire and you

go to the internet for help in an emergency in its people arguing about whether we've got canceled culture like i mean the it's it's asinine art when you're looking i have and when i'm calling friends in california very worried about them and they're like it's so much worse than even the video could possibly show you because you've got hurricane winds blowing fire all over parts of California that weren't expecting fire of any kind and they can't put anything out and we sit here and make it about culture wars or politics. This is a message from sponsor Intuit TurboTax.

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Stugats, but that goes without saying right that it couldn't Yeah, but that goes without saying right that it couldn't have now he said I didn't Greg why Greg yeah, Greg Greg apologized and Craig sincerely. We want more and more games. We want more and more football. As fire burns and America needs the distraction of football, more and football becomes bigger and bigger and bigger and all the rules change and college coaches don't even want to be in charge because really I'm gonna fight everybody over money during desperate times. Okay that

seems hard. Leonard Hamilton at the universe at FSU got sued by six players because they say hey we're owed 1.5 million in NIL and you haven't given it to us and where is it and here's a boycott we're not coming to practice. I imagine stuff like this is happening all over the place if if people are trying to get control of things and the rules keep changing. When you guys saw Leonard Hamilton, Coach Michael Jordan did a great job at the University of Miami. When no one did a great job at the University of Miami, has been kind of a titan at basketball

at FSU. They don't have any preordained right to always be good and they're often good because of Leonard Hamilton. He's been there for a long time. For an old man to get hit with this particular problem of guys aren't coming to practice, where's my 1.5 mil? Isn't that happening everywhere right now? No, you'd hear about it.

You heard about this. We have social media, which if you're feeling helpless and people aren't paying attention to you, you know that you could put a tweet out there and websites, including in the college football football space would gobble that up. So no, I don't think it's happening everywhere. I've heard of like a handful of times, we had Jayden Rashada, Sue Florida, and even Billy Napier directly. No, Jayden Rashada who's had a checkered history has entered the portal once

again. But no, I don't think it's's that big of an issue because it's not really something that we're not all searching for. That is great click bait. Also, 1.5 million sounds like a pretty small number for a major college program to cover, right? For college basketball? Yeah. Seems like a hefty number.

That's a funny thing for Greg Cody to say. It seems like a real hefty number. I mean, got it. With everything happening now, if you're at a major school like Michigan or Texas, 1.5 million is nothing. College basketball, men's college basketball, that is a really hefty number.

And especially, you gotta think about it, we're not talking about Duke basketball here, Florida State. Multiple guys too, like multiple guys. Six guys, six players. So it's 250 apiece, 250 apiece. I mean, it's half your team, it's gonna be half your starters, right? No Half your roster. Wait, the total is one

We got a new fine on the Venmo fine bucket is that your phone? No I blame the show. Uh-huh. Here's what happened. My phone was off to begin the show, but then when I was sent into the penalty box, I almost had the game room. But you understand you actually have to pay this now because it's one thing people say that they don't have cash, but now that we have the Venmo fine. How much do I owe?

Look, this is the new fine system. Venmo bucket fine chart, $1 for a mistake, $2 for coughing or fleming three dollars for pestering of any kind five dollars for tone seven dollars for not listening i didn't give you the seven dollar fine before you weren't listening but ten dollars for a phone interruption according to the now sponsored venmo bucket these fines will be paid if you do not pay it it will be

taken out of your paycheck they will now be now then that you're going to this is sponsored now we can't mess with the money we can't have money we can't mess with the sponsors it goes into the the fine bucket and then if it gets picked at the grid of death anytime next year a lucky employee gets all of the fine money now then i have a clarifying question because as you see here on the sheet the fine print says fines are doubled doubled on Tuesdays because of Greg Cody Tuesdays, but Greg didn't come in on Tuesday. This Thursday acts as a proxy for the Tuesday.

I would argue that the fine should still be doubled. No, I would not. It invalidates the entire fine, quite frankly. No, it doesn't. No. Just give 10 bucks to the Venmo. Venmo. Forward $10 to the fine bucket.

Thank you. All right, done. You just, that's not how that works. Is that a note to yourself? That's not how it works. That's not how it works. That doesn't work. That's not even how you fake pretending

like you know how it works. Venmo, cover me here. By the way, plus I'm ill. Venmo, cover me here. The fine print of that says if someone is under the weather To create a bit of a through line here I think so Greg is on one end of the how old do you think this guy is spectrum? I do think Leonard Hamilton is shockingly old yeah he's

about Greg's age yeah in fact you know what I'm my 76 he's crazy he's older than Greg Cody by six years good for you Leo black don't crack I didn't know he was that old quite frankly he looks good he, he does. He looks incredible. Mark Jones is also on this list, by the way. ESPN announcer Mark Jones. Do you guys know how old Mark Jones is? Have you done this already? No.

How old? Mark, well how old do you think Mark Jones is? 49. I was gonna say. Mark Jones is 63 years old. Yeah. What? You're lying.

That is crazy. But also, Mark Jones is a little too suspiciously in good shape. Put it on the poll, please, that LeBata show. Is Mark Jones a little too suspiciously in shape? Are you shocked that Mark Jones is 63 years old? Are you shocked that Leonard Hamilton is 76 years old? And put all three of them together,

which of these shocks you the most? because I want to put that in front of You guys I guys seem to be surprised by Mark Jones Leonard Hamilton being 76 floored me that that's two more dollars for Greg You owe money for the fine bucket to for what does it all you all money for the for the fine bucket to for pestilence uh... representing me uh... it just says two dollars for coffee it doesn't say anything about a microphone or anything just so look coffee we actually don't pay this thing

now because we have a corporate sponsor now actually i don't think it's also so listen okay because i'm tired of this and i'm fed up and i have any control over my company. Look, our sponsors make us the thing that gets to exist when nothing like this exists, okay? You're disrespecting, Venmo pays for that by not doing this correctly and by ignoring this. We've had to put this system in place

so that you respect the sponsor. And I'm not joking when I say if you do not pay these fines they will be taken out of your paycheck i am gonna okay but what i thought what i want to address with all of you stand down is the greg cody just decided because i know his son is annoyed by this as a life thing the furthest the greg cody has come in technology is doing this to his phone. Venmo, do this for me. Yes. That's the way it should work.

That is, Chris, you have seen that he dictates, your father treats his phone as a tape recorder and an assistant that sends messages for him because his fat fingers are too lazy to type. Where's your back in my day? It's not Tuesday. That's a Tuesday. So you have one? Nah, he's right. Thank you.

It's not Tuesday. You know what else? We got glue six. Oh! We're making eye repair on eyebrowless. There we go, right? That's gonna happen. We have Mina coming up in the next hour.

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Thank you. So can I now get your opinion when Mike is saying that this isn't a normal thing with Leonard Hamilton, what kind of chaos is unseen, no matter what social media we're talking about in a no rules type of governance where these coaches are getting a little bit overwhelmed by once the players have total freedom and everyone can grab it

money this stuff is going to get you know contaminated and and feel from afar like it can be corrupt. Some of this that I think people don't realize is a lot of these schools actually export out their NIL operations. And there are legit companies who run like Penn State's NIL, just for an example. So when things like this happen, those NIL organizations, they're literally businesses in charge of running that school's operation. They have lawyers and legal teams in place so that schools are protected. I don't believe that every school has sort of like an outsource in IL, but like it offers a little bit more protection where I think you haven't really seen

this that much. Like Rashada is a good case, this is a good example, but for the most part, like schools have these contracts in place where it's like, okay, well if you're here, this is how you're gonna get money, and if you have to do appearances in this county to prevent people from transferring and whatnot. But there are legal protections in this.

I don't know what Florida State's NIL operation is, but most schools protect themselves. Well, you mentioned Florida State, and I think it's important context to know that we find out a lot in the public space about Florida State's historically NIL program, because it's not very buttoned up. Look, people argue about money and Fortune 500 companies.

So a lot of these issues you never hear about. I thought this deal was this way. Like all that stuff stays in house. And the key to having a good collective is making sure no one knows about this stuff and being able to find solutions to these disagreements when they do pop up. Because you're talking in some cases about hundreds and hundreds of athletes that are

receiving NIL from one collective. If you know about it, if you get essentially held hostage the way that FSU's collective was over the Orange Bowl, it shows you bad leadership within that collective as well. Pablo? If I can distill this down a little simpler. I think there's a solution here. They should just use Venmo. Because on Venmo there's an awesome feature that I think Greg would enjoy. When you have to label what you're paying someone for, whether you be a college coach who owes back pay to a new generation of athletes, or a 70 year old man apparently who is delinquent in all sorts of of ways uh... you pick an emoji greg and that emoji can signal

with some degree of privacy and resentment why you're paying this so i encourage you to select the emoji for your fines in the new venmo regime what what is the final tally on greg cody's finding the ten dollar phone interruption that uh... are we letting him slide on the seven dollar not listening because now the fine bucket is going to be a richer thing right somebody stole i'm still offended by that that night

i don't know how we have had an investigation employee at this company stole hundreds of dollars that were in the fine but yes there were hundreds really that was never that was never solved never solved and i think bob the engineer got a bad rap it was a difficult time at the Clevelander. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people were accusing him I would never it wasn't Bob. It was I don't I would never it wasn't Bob look. I'm pretty sure Stu gots did it I'm pretty sure man Statistically speaking yeah, that sounds right Pablo. What is coming up on Pablo Torre finds out I will tell the people, again,

it's unusual to win this many awards. There aren't actually a lot of non-athletes coming into the sports podcast space, which is very popular, and having a hit thing, and he has a hit thing. What are, and he's got this, oh, he's got the Blue Checkmark Army, they run with him.

Oh, the MSNBC-ers. The elites. Yeah, the liberal elites. It's such a, yeah, it's a country club podcast. The blue check marks are now the other side, by the way. That's right. Well, forgive me, my information's dated, my bad, thank you. The ivory tower, yeah, no check mark anymore.

Tuesday's episode, which I encourage you to enjoy, if you guys know the worst sports commercial in the history of sports television, the sportsmanship commercial. Oh no, I thought it was what a pro wants. I took the ball coach. Yeah, exactly. I mean, this kid, Alex went into hiding because he was so dunked upon by the entire internet that he has been hidden. We have found him. We brought him into a studio. It took literal years to acquire his trust. That was Tuesday's episode.

It takes us from the Supreme Court, which again, I keep on saying for real reasons, to the Dalai Lama, to Dame Lillard. All of that happened. Today we have an episode about explaining like the whole debate and the science underneath the trans athletes thing for people who maybe actually have skepticism about the ivory tower, it's for you, then tomorrow my arch nemesis Dan,

Nick Wright, noted terrible person is joined by his co-host Kevin Wilds and they join me on tomorrow's show to talk about the art of giving takes. So screw him, but he's also on the show tomorrow. I can tell Pablo spent a lot of time in Miami and around us because he said, Dali, llama. By the way, Pitbull. Pitbull, how old do you think Pitbull is?

Oh, he's gotta be 50 something. Now anything is possible. I'm gonna say 67. Armando is, I'm gonna say 50, 57. What? No way this number. Just grading off of the Mark Jones curve curve we're not playing the game. I'm saying he's good he's for

51 28 I'm gonna say he's in his 40s come on 17 Pitbulls 43 guys shit. He's so right in the middle. He's younger than I am man. He's 20 Mark Jones pitbull is younger than Amin and Mark Jones. And me. Shocking. Pablo, thank you for being on with us. We appreciate the time. PabloToryFindsOut is the name of the podcast. I encourage you to listen to it because it is very different.

There are not a lot of people, there's not anybody doing exactly what he is doing what you still want to I can't I just continue I continue to distrust all of you, but I appreciate the time Okay Thank you. I thought I already said goodbye to you You can learn about our shows history with Pablo Torre on this week's upcoming episode of the oral history Yes, I'm sure he'll be listening and can't wait to just hear either his voice or something about him. Pablo Torre, basically what he is doing with Pablo Torre finds out is just going to the depths of his narcissism and then...

Okay, we've gotten further from the compliment phase and I think we just probably just end it there. Yeah. I'm really excited about this episode with Kevin Wilds who used to be my boss when I worked on The Jump, and Nick Wright. I stand with- I'm happy that you mention that, because Kevin Wilds is like an iconic producer. Yeah, I don't know how many people know that. And like all producers,

fell in love with a camera and microphone. Absolutely, they all come over this side, don't they? Except for Matthew Coogler. But I am, I also stand with Pablo in that Nick Wright is a horrible person. You're sitting. And so- Thank you. You're also sitting, yeah. I stand hunched stand with Pablo in that Nick Wright is a horrible person. You're sitting. Thank you.

You're also sitting, yeah. I stand hunched over with Pablo in that Nick Wright is a horrible... Well, there's another fine. Two dollars. No, I pushed the button. He pushed the button. It just says coughing. No, come on.

It just says he pushed the button. It doesn't say the button. Come on. We gotta do a little something for him. He's battling here. Thank you, Mike. He did the right thing. Now, if he just coughed right into the microphone, then that's a fine But I'm just saying I'm trying to go by what the sponsor

Trying to get some payoffs here, so let's give him a win and let's get our ten bucks So that's the way that's the barter like if you if he's reaching for the cough button Why is there a cop button there if it's not to be depressed? No, that's I'm supposed to suppress a cough a little bit So it's not picked up by the other one It's supposed to be pressed not he was in the middle of making his point then we all worry for you It's like it's a tricky word for me it what why did you say that? Stand why he keeps doing broadcaster voice not narrating. I don't hear

broadcaster voice. You're not narrating this. You're here. His only move today. He talks as if he's like talking up over the room. His only move today is he's sick, he's playing hurt. And so the only joke he's got is the last thing I'll say is going to be said in a ridiculous voice. And so before everyone ends this segment,

and before Greg Cody ruins the rest of what we have going, the thing I wanted to ask all of you, because I know some of you are gambling, you guys are doing prop bet stuff, do you think that we could come up with a new segment that because of the people around here who are gambling, every week somebody in our group is going to have the worst bad beat.

I bring this up for a reason, okay? Because the over under on the number for David Montgomery in Detroit rushing yards this season was 775 and a half yards. And he got to 775. And then his knee blew up. And so he got there easily. Like if you, it would have been an easy winning bet

because the Lions were going to be overwhelming at running the ball and are even more overwhelming than you thought they'd be. But he got within a half yard and then his knee blew out. All he needed is one more play for a half yard and he would have gotten it. Do you think that we'd have enough bad beats around here I know Mike is throwing down so many prop bets as it's it can't be healthy the amount

of prop betting that Mike Ryan is doing because he's I do a healthy amount he's looking he's finding a lot of advantages look Billy's pretty good at the prop bets too there is some money to be found around prop bets if you know a little bit about systems and matchups and stuff there's money to be found around prop bets if you know a little bit about systems and matchups and stuff. There's money to be made. Do you have a bad beat every weekend? Yeah. Yeah. Volume shooter on the props. Go for the bigger paydays. And then I have one that makes me like about even on the weekend. I'm like, man, how much fun was had? So much

fun. I have lost either four or five times this season. I have Patrick Mahomes rushing yards. I get the over, I have the over and then he kneels down three times at the end of the game and I lose my over. I came a cat short on Devante Adams cause I was just like last game of the regular season, potentially Aaron Rodgers, last game ever, he's just gonna go out feeding Devonte Adams. So I took every over and I juiced up the receptions

and I got it up to six and a half and I hit literally seven of eight legs and I just needed one catch. But that doesn't even land on me. I need that to feel alive. Lucy, you felt alive on the field at the University of Texas. I saw you, you were radiant on the field at the University of Texas. I saw you.

You were radiant. You were glowing. Yeah, Ricky Williams and I are best friends now. Well, not exactly. I said, oh, Ricky, isn't it so great that we've become good friends? And he didn't respond. But I think he meant yes. How high did you get with him?

I did not. I'm a professional media member that wasn't credentialed. So Dan overwent the system and then brought Ricky Williams and it was really cool, but we'll never be allowed back to Texas. Yeah, that one kind of backfired on me. But they had so much fun. Do we have Ricky like sneak Lucy in?

Yeah. It wasn't very sneaky though. Someone for security came up and was like, hey, you don't have a pass. Are you with Ricky Williams? And I said, yep. They go, okay, that's fine. I mean, he did sort of say, have I not done enough for these people?

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