The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Michael Kosta Is a Lucky Loser

Episode Date: February 27, 2025

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You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. This is the Dan LeBattor Show with the Stoogats Podcast. Hey look, there's Michael Kosta. Hey, of The Daily Show, the former tennis player. A stand-up comedian, he's got a new book out, Lucky Loser, it's available to pre-order now and you can get it everywhere March 11th. I did not know, I should have known,

I did not know that he was a former professional tennis player that seems like a very lonely way to make a living. It sounds even more insane to say, man it's such a hard, competitive, lonely way to make a living. Let me be a stand-up comedian instead. Yeah, yeah, that's what he chose. Michael, thank you for joining us.

Which of those careers is lonelier? Oh, that's a great question. That's a good question. I also love that I came in right after the Dookie Bomb t-shirt for sale. You know, that stumped me. That question stumps me. So good first question.

I actually think being a comedian is lonelier. Because I actually talk about this, I have this crazy night in Edmonton when I'm a brand new comic where these girls call my hotel room right after I performed and they say, hey, can we come upstairs to your room? And Tomfoolery ensues. And the next day I'm all alone. And I have this great story that I want to tell everybody, but you're at a best Western in Edmonton alone. Whereas even when I played tennis and sometimes you were sharing a hotel room with competitors and with,

you at least could pull a guy aside and say, check this out. Do you think that one of the careers is harder than the other or more competitive than the other? I think tennis is impossible, is nearly impossible. It's a nonstop calendar year, the physicality of it. I think comedy is tough, but you can make $14,000 a year playing bowling alleys the rest of your life pretty easily,

I think. If you're willing to do the armpit joke and the can I get a volunteer from the crowd and do the, you know, whatever this, that. What is that? What is that act that you're turning into a career? You're a man who works with words for a living. I don't know what it is you're describing.

Of course, only I would pick to do an act out on a radio show but You get the volunteer from the crowd to come out they put the arms through your armpits and then you say over You know, we're cooking we're making an omelet and it's their arms and your great gag great 14 grand a year you say Probably bowling a bowling alley tour 14 grand. I mean anyways One of my first gigs I was doing a bowling alley in a basement in Michigan, and I was bombing so hard that my feet were sweating.

And I could hear the people above me bowling strikes. And it was this amazing, this amazing dichotomy of success and failure, so close to each other. Put it on the poll please, that Levitard show, have you ever been so embarrassed that your feet begin to sweat? How competitive is the Daily Show hosting? You guys are friends, but obviously that's a prime platform,

so how does that one work? I imagine you all want it. I appreciate that question. That's a stoop question question because before we were pushed up to co-hosts or a host, whatever you want to call it, we were all in the same camp, right? We were all correspondents. We were all, hey, great piece to you.

Hey, great piece to you. That was good writing, high five. And then we could all kind of get together and bitch about the actual host that was above us. You know, it stayed remarkably friendly. I think, I don't think anybody would deny that being in the chair is a tremendous honor and is something we all want. I think what helped is with this rotating host, John Stewart has Mondays, the rest of us, myself, Desi Lydic, Ronnie Chang, Jordan

Klepper take Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday on a rotating. I think what helped is we won the Emmy for best late night and it kind of put everyone's egos, it gave us what we all wanted and that helped with the competitiveness so I thank the Emmy for that. Where is it you ask? It's in my kitchen on display I did not ask that question, but I do want to know how competitive you are because I imagine Whatever it is that made you a professional tennis player I know comedians are competitive and the stand-up comic world is competitive So how weirdly competitive and unreasonably competitive are you? Yeah hundred percent You know my dad used to say at the bottom of the stairs,

who can get up first? And there's four kids. I mean, what? Well, that's an unnecessary challenge. You know, and I'm, I'm six and I'm getting elbowed by my sister because my dad just said, go who gets up there fastest. Extremely competitive, extremely competitive. When I entered comedy, I quickly realized I had to back out of this competitiveness. I couldn't watch a show that I was also on hoping my competitors would fail so I would look funnier. That's a miserable way to be. In sport, it's accepted, it's encouraged, it's a necessity. But in the arts, it's exhausting, dude. It's okay if Dan goes up and has a great set,

and then I go up and have a great set, and we're different, and we're both funny. So I've had to undo a lot of this competitiveness, and it's exhausting being competitive, man. I just wanna like high five and hang out with you guys and not go, who had the best segment on the Levitard show today? That sucks.

Well, it's you. You're also our only guest. Yes. I'm shocked at how much, how many former tennis players that I know, like they just hated tennis and they excelled at it and they hated it. Did you hate it while you were trying to succeed at it?

Yeah, you know, I always thought it was BS when Rafael Nadal would win, win, win. And then he would go, I just love this sport. I just love this sport. And it's like, are you serious? Cause Andre Agassi says he hates the sport. Everyone I know has tennis trauma. I talk about a kid in this book who cheated me when I was 11. I still wait for the C train hoping I run into that kid. I mean, I'm 45, I'm 45 years old. I have, I have children. hoping I run into that kid. I mean I'm 45, I'm 45 years old, I have children. It really affects you and I think the reason there's so much hatred to the

sport is at a very young age you're thrown in these highly competitive problem-solving situations alone. I also think that's why it's such a great sport for kids to play is they learn how to navigate the world and unfairness. I needed more love for the sport to be more successful. I was losing a lot and was out of money. That's a tough recipe for tennis success. But now, after a break from the sport, I love it. I love it, I love it, I love it. I also play once a month. I get one hour court time, run around. It's a nice reminder that

I was actually good at something. Well, then you might be aware of the discourse right now going on with US tennis. The Nothing Major pod has put up a bracket of the most handsome male tennis players going on right now. Now there was some bracket luck going on there because I don't actually think their final four is the true most handsome final four. So I'm gonna run four names by you.

You pick one in terms of attractiveness. These are active. Men. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tommy Paul, Taylor Fritz, Mateo Berrentini, or Lorenzo Mousseti. And we're doing women next. Yeah.

I'm sensing that's a joke. Let's hope it is. It is. Although with the WTA some, you could call some of them handsome. Nope. Let's take this opportunity for me to mention. I miss what she said. What did she say? She has a character that's a sexist

pain, misogynistic, perfect. Jessica, it's nice to meet you. You're very funny. You make me laugh a lot. Um, let's take this opportunity to mention that Moosetti has a rap album. No, you should be able to find it on Spotify. Meade's laptop hold faster than I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. Uh, am I right? I'm looking it up right now. Wait a minute, that's a terrible question to ask after you've said that. Because there's two active ATP players that rap. The Canadian, Dennis Shappavallav, and I believe it's Lorenzi Musetti. He might have a single.

Magnifico? That's his... We've really gotten stuck in the quicksand here. We can look it up. It'll be easy enough. You can continue though. I went and watched Bertini lose a couple years ago at the US Open and it was remarkable

that 96% of the audience was women young women divorced women newly married women I mean it was it was remarkable. So what are we asking is Michael deciding who's the most handsome? I just want your feedback as I decide that it's obviously Tommy Paul I think Tommy Paul is an excellent excellent handsome man who wears a Shorter short and I do appreciate that Excellent, excellent, handsome man who wears a shorter short. And I do appreciate that.

I think this whole baggy short thing, tennis, you got some of the best legs of all sports. What are you doing? Yeah, Barentini though is a dish. Not looking good for you though, I did Google, and AI's overview on this is there's no information about a music album by tennis player Lorenzo Mousetti. I might be thinking of Sonnago.

S-O-N-E-G-O. If you keep doing this, if you keep doing this, if you're just going to go through the whole circuit. Dan, I'm sorry. I said it was so much confidence. I was certain it was true. Sure, but then it was weird to watch the confidence leak out of you and then you ask the question, am I right about that?

When you were asking us a question that we didn't know the answer to. It is a scenario. It's a scenario. I have to, I have to admit that when I came, before I came on the show, I didn't brush up on Lorenzi Musetti's bio. Okay, fair enough.

You came on to talk about Lucky Loser. Why did you write it? I wrote it because it even surprises me that I'm here now as a comedian And I kind of had to recap what the hell was going on. I love tennis. That was my dream And it didn't happen. I made eleven thousand dollars over four years. My career high ranking was 864 in the world, which is still my email signature and I my career high ranking was 864 in the world, which is still my email signature. And I got hired in the Daily Show, was starting to have some comedy success, was starting to sell tickets, was starting to tour.

And I was also about to have a kid and I was like, I need to figure out how we got here. Cause it surprises me even when as a kid all the posters on my wall were tennis players. I think it's a really fascinating story and when I share it with people whether athletics or not they pull from it and they connect and I think it's a good lesson for all the young kids out there yes have a, but you're probably going to fail at it. So if you can try to learn something from that first dream, odds are it'll help you with your second profession or career. Michael, what was the thing that made you say, you know what, I'm

going to try my hand at professional comedy? I was out of money. When I used to play professionally, you know, you win, win, win as a junior. In college, we won four Big Ten championships, University of Illinois. I won something like 80% of my matches in college. You get to the pros, all I'm doing is losing. Every week I'm losing. The tournament starts on Monday. And my Monday at 2 p.m., I'm out of the tournament. You know, it's like, so what do you do with six and a half days when you're in Z-Wan Tenejo, Mexico, playing a $10,000 future? And if that city sounds familiar,

it's because that's where Andy Dufresne escaped prison to in the Shawshank Redemption. That was my first pro tournament. So I started to write ideas that were funny, interactions that were funny. I wanted my mind to get out of tennis just for an hour. And when I finally wrapped up, and I was living with my parents in Michigan,

and I was hired as the assistant coach at University of Michigan, I had these binders of jokes. And I had a month before the team reported and before my life was going to be over as a college coach as it is. And I signed up for an open mic and I took these folders of jokes. And my first joke, which I describe in grave detail in the book, was called crotch karate. And I went around the audience and I pretended to karate chop them with my crotch. And it's bad then and it's bad now.

I just love the idea like this was the birth of a great comedy career. But why do you have binders filled with jokes? What were you doing? Clearly you were doing something. That's true. I don't know if anything said crotch cruddy in those binders.

It wasn't until later that I started to really dig into the binders and go maybe you should use this stuff and stop trying to assault your audience. But why the binders though? What, you were thinking about it? It was something you wanted to? Yeah, oh sorry, yeah. Yeah, I just, you know, for one it was a way

to get my mind away from tennis, but yeah. I guess deep down there was always this passion for comedy. I mean, when I was 10 years old, that was Johnny Carson's last hosting night. I begged my parents to stay up late. I watched it. up late. I watched it. That's the Gary Shandling show. These things made me feel something I'd never felt before. But when you grow up in Michigan, show business is not an option. You don't even that it was all a fantasy. And so I wrote some stuff down. And then when I actually had an opportunity and thanks to stand up comedy it's much like tennis in the sense that

You can sign up You Dan can sign up for an open qualifying tennis professional event if you want to You probably will lose early, but there is an open forum There's an open forum to be a stand-up comedy. So I I had the jokes I guess I had a passion for comedy and that's what started. And once I did it, then I was screwed. Then you're screwed. Because you've tasted the sweetness, baby. I'm curious that the... For me, I worked in basketball for 10 years in the NBA and then obviously covering basketball. Whenever I watch a movie that's about

basketball, all I see is just like, that's not how any of that works. This is awful. Right. Last year, challenges came out, did very well. It's about tennis. I as a tennis outsider was like, oh, that's really cool. As a tennis person, how inaccurate or how far fetched is that story? I saw two seconds of that trailer I saw two seconds of that trailer and Zendaya, whatever name is, had the wrong grip on the serve. And I said, get this shitty movie out of my face right now. If you're going to try to serve with a semi Western grip and then not even change over to an Eastern or a semi Western for the forehand, get this crap out of my face right now. By the way, RIP Gene Hackman, one of the greatest college, excuse me, one of the greatest basketball

roles that I can remember. I feel like people here find Hoosiers overrated. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. How you feel about challenges is how I feel about Hoosiers. Like that's not how any of that works. That wouldn't even be in his top 10, I don't think. No. Put it on the poll at LeBotard Show is Hoosiers in Gene Hackman's top 10. Michael's new book Lucky Loser is available to pre-order now.

Everywhere you get your books and e-books on March 11th and you can get tickets now for his Lucky Loser comedy tour at michaelkosta.com. You mentioned that you wrote the book about how did we get here. So before you came on, I was talking about how the news anchor is dead and i remember when it happened actually when john stuart became america's most trusted newsman replacing all of the previous network anchors uh... america said that they wanted their news from a comedian how do you get here yeah that's that that's a great question question. And one of the things that fascinates me.

That's a good question. Yeah! Cool, man. Morning, Zoom. Doing this show is great, but I never know what's coming through my headphone. Well, I wish that hadn't been. I feel like we could have done that better than we've done it.

No, that's an all-time good sounder. Yeah. It's amazing how many people stop me and say, you're where I get my news. And I go, you know, we're on Comedy Central, right? You know that we don't uphold or have to be upheld to any journalistic integrity. I think, yeah, you know, what's that great movie where the news anchor loses his mind? Network.

You know, I think that's a great synopsis. I wish our news channels were publicly funded. They weren't for profit. I think every time I see a lower third on CNN or Fox, I go, they're just doing that so we keep watching. It doesn't really seem like they're trying to inform us. There is a trustworthiness with comedy. There's a trustworthiness with comedians. There's this thought that comedians tell the truth. I always think it's hilarious when comedians get held to a higher standard than a politician or an elected official. But I do think people enjoy that they're coming to see us and we'll make them laugh. Oh, and also I learned that Donald Trump just signed an executive order that you can't swirl vanilla and chocolate ice cream today or whatever it is. So good question.

It's a good question. Might not be a simple answer. I'm just trying really hard to not be a slapdick on your guys show today. Are you somebody who is trying to laugh, to keep from crying at the daily news events that are happening that make America shake and- Why is my voice still going like that? Yeah. It is a really tricky time. I can easily get my mind into everyone relax, you're overreacting, there's a checks and balances

of this system. American democracy has been in motion for 270 years. This isn't the first ego maniac we've had as president. And I can easily get my mind into, this is the beginning of authoritarian rule. Comedians can and will be locked up. Free speech is pretended to be put on a pedestal, but anytime you criticize this guy, you're done. The number one media, social media platform

is in the pocket of the... you know, so I can go both ways. I don't know the answer. All I know is comedy is a good way to fight and resist until they shoot us. Excellent dismount. Thank you. Thank you, Michael. Good talking to you. Again, a reminder, the name of the book is Lucky Loser and it's available to pre-order now and it'll be available everywhere March 11th. Pleasure talking to you, sir. Thanks for having me. Was your answer Mousetti though? Was that the final answer? My answer is Barentini. Yeah, Tini said it.

And also in that Netflix documentary, he wins in five sets and he's in the cold tub and he calls his grandparents and they're watching live in Italy at like 3 a.m. And it is just, it is a tear. It's a, he's not just a handsome face he's also a good guy I want that to be my dismo all right I preferred your previous one but you get to choose sir thank you nice nice talking to you thank

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5G speeds not available in all areas. Don Lebatard! If Daniel Day-Lewis did it, you'd be jerking off all over yourselves. Oh, come on! Yeah, I would be. Aggressive description? I mean, what is it? What is that? I'm just saying.

You know what? That's me! You're just saying what? That's me. That was something Bruce did yesterday. I see that photo of Daniel Day-Lewis looking like Lincoln before he's about to start filming Lincoln, and you know what I do? I mean, Stugats. I jerk off all over myself. That's what I do. Lincoln who you outed the other day? Don't make this a rejoin. This is the Don LeVatar Show with the Stugats.

two gods. I mean I wanted to talk to you about the numbers that came in on Luca and the Lakers versus Dallas and the fact that 2.5 million viewers which seems like a small number to me but it represents a giant number for the NBA in regular season now even though it's a million less than White Lotus did for its second episode. Okay these HBO numbers that they put out all of these are fudged beyond belief. Make sure to check us out on Max. Yeah but they're fudged. On the other side, it's actually more people watching. And they're just being too modest with those numbers.

No, Dan, that number sounds big to me because everyone knew Dallas wasn't healthy and the game wasn't in Dallas. So I think those things dampen what could have been, I mean, if you gave me either of those things, either a full strength Mavericks team, or have them be hurt, but this game happens in Dallas, I think the numbers spiked. It was also a late game though, wasn't it?

Yeah. 10-10 Eastern. So that's a real good number. The part that I wanted to talk to you about though, it's a real good number for the time. It doesn't seem like a real good number, but I question all the numbers these days. But the thing that I wanted to use that to discuss

is all of the smearing and leaking that the MAVs are now doing privately. And one of the leaks, right, I saw that a lot of people were making fun of this, was the general fear of Luca's physical deterioration because he likes the beer and the hookah too much. Those two things combined and while I know a lot of people are looking at that and saying to themselves this is a ridiculous way to smear a professional athlete who is as great as that one is,

I got to be honest if you're someone who likes the beer and hookah a little too much I don't trust you as much as I would as an athlete either. I'm just is I gotta be honest, if you're someone who likes the beer and hookah a little too much, I don't trust you as much as I would as an athlete either. I'm just saying, I'm not gonna say it's a it's a lot less, but if you like the specifics of the beer and the hookah too much, I'm not even talking about liquor, I'm talking about beer, that you love to drink beer and you love to hang out with the hookah, I am also going to have a question about whether to give you the super max by one degree that I wouldn't have had if you didn't like the hookah and the beer so much.

I mean, you have had my dad around here for 20 years. That's correct, and I've seen his deterioration. I've seen that he's asking when he comes in this week, why do I look 10 years older than 89-year-old Jane Fonda? Dan, it's funny. When I saw the infographic saying Mavericks are concerned because Luca likes beer and hookah, I said, you could just replace the word Luca with Amin, and nothing would change.

It's exactly like, oh wow. The person who likes beer and hookah too much, do you not just generally, whatever their occupation, do you not say that probably is somebody who's not giving 100% all the time? No, I say that probably is somebody who's not giving 100% all the time? No. I say that person is worthy of applause, right?

Everyone needs to compensate this person even more richly than he's already been compensated because it turns out this is what he's doing. He's giving you this excellence on beer and hookah? How do you not pay him? How are you not impressed by his brilliance? Aren't beer and hookah like the most benign of the vices? Of all the things you can smoke hookah and of all the things you can drink, beer.

Yeah. Agreed. I am not disputing that they're benign vices. I'm saying they come with a certain stigma that I attach to. That person doesn't want to work that hard. That is not a person who is type A competitor. I'm willing to use beer and hookah as something, just those specific things as somebody who might care slightly

less about their work than the person who's got a heroin addiction. Go ahead, Jeremy. I view that as someone who has a massive 100% effort when they're at work and likes to unwind. Because if they were someone who wasn't giving 100% effort, who was sloppy in their lives, who wasn't together, they'd have a worse vice. Beer and hookah, at the end of the day, you've given 100% effort that you need to,

now you wanna unwind and let loose a little bit, and that's the worst you're doing? To me, that's like the best of the vices. Okay, again, though, I do not want to turn this into something that makes beer and hookah some sort of terrible affliction. I'm just saying that I could've told you, based on looking at his body, that he loved beer and hookah some sort of terrible affliction. I'm just saying that I could have told you based on looking at his body that he loved beer and hookah.

And it's because of something I'm doing with beer and hookah. Like that's not Luca, that's hookah. That's what I'm doing. I'm doing with you, everyone, anytime I walk on Lincoln Road and I see somebody sucking from one of those bongs, what just happened? Sucking as a verb caught you off guard?

Is this better than overeating with Zion? Like what would you rather have? A star that eats too much or a star that gets after the beer a little bit? I'm hanging out with the hookah. Put it on the poll at LeBittardShow. Get the Stat of the Day music for that reference that you just made on Zion at LeBittardShow

because we have a Stat of the Day that's Zion related. But put it on the Zion at LeBittard show because we have a stat of the day that Zion related but put it on the pole at LeBittard show which is it that you fear the most is it the athlete who's eating too much or beer and hookah start of the day start of the day it is the start of the day start of the day start of the day it is the start of the day start of the the start of the day. Start of the day. Start of the day. And this is the start of the day. Start of the day. Start of the day.

And this is the start of the day. Start of the day. Start of the day. And this is the start of the day. Zyon Williamson has actually been a completely dominant force while he plays in the NBA. He is the third fastest active player in the NBA to reach 5,000 points in his career only behind Luka Dantic and LeBron James and a separate stat from Owen Phillips. He's the most double teamed player in the entire player tracking era. The gap between him and the next closest person is equal to the gap between the second most double teamed player and the next closest person is equal to the gap between the second most double-teamed player and the

100th most double-teamed player. I mean that's a quiet bust that's happened in New Orleans like where you're wondering if the Knicks would Would even want him. No, I'm just saying the repute. I'm saying reputationally I don't know. He doesn't want to listen to you. He was looking at his watch. Jeremy, yeah. Why is he talking to me? You asked, why would we give this guy a platform? And he went, oh, you know what?

You're right. You talked, he stopped listening. Fair. I checked my watch, Jeremy, I'm sorry. It was a good stat. How many watch jokes are you guys gonna make? The watch. Zion, his reputation is in total tatters.

It's crazy. Like, in total, like so. It's shocking. So you're giving a stat of the day that is shocking because it's factual in nature, but in terms of, if I say word association in the league to bust right now, that's either him or Joe LMB that's gonna come up

because of what the expectations are for these people because you know how physically dominant they can be. That's the problem. That's what makes them of dilemma because the basketball is unquestioned. There are so many guys, they get hurt or they don't achieve and we're like, yeah, okay. You didn't end up being what we thought you would be.

And so it's easier to cut ties. Think of Markel Foltz. It was easy to basically give up on Markel Foltz. It was easy to basically give up on Markel Foltz. It was easy to give up on Anthony Bennett. It's easy to give up on Andrew Wiggins. It's hard as hell to give up on Joel Embiid and Zion Williamson because when they do play, they are legitimately historic.

Some of the greatest basketball ever, right? What Jeremy just talked about. For him to be the most double-team person, already shocking. I'm like. Is that being in the post? That has to be misleading. Is it because he doesn't dribble the ball up?

That like his, as soon as the ball's thrown down to him, that's when he gets double? No, if you throw the ball to Zion Williamson in the post, there are no other options for you as a defense. You must send help. It cannot be guarded one-on-one. It is harder, Chris, to, for instance, Curry, it's hard to double team him

because he's moving off ball so much. They do try to trap him, but then, like, how often do those instances happen? Number one. Number two, I suspect the other part of this is Zion is not as great a passer as, say, Jokic or LeBron, so the penalty for double teaming him as a defense

is much lower than it would be to double team Jokic for instance. So yeah, there is some stuff there. But still, for him to be number one and for the gap between one and two to be two to the hundred, like it speaks to this guy's seriously something that teams fear, right? But, but he's not out there.

The other stat you gave is he is the fastest to 5,000. In terms of games played, sure. If we count days, no way. What was that noise? That wasn't me, who did that? It was me. It's been an active day. Oh man. I've caught three of them.

I was like, what's happening to my microphone? I thought it was me. An alligator in studio? The gurgles inside of Dan's tummy have my microphone? I thought it was me. I was like, alligator in studio? The gurgles inside of Dan's tummy have really been picked up by Mike Sinead. Yeah, it's coffee on an empty stomach is what's happened there.

Can you guys tell me when you think, because Ben Simmons is somebody that I forgot there, because that's probably the top of the list on somebody who's got the reputation of being a bust. He got to a max deal, but when you consider who was drafted after him, Aitin, I think you can lump him in that class too. I wanted to ask you guys, were you guys aware, put it on the poll please, at LeBittard Show,

did you know Max Scherzer was a Blue Jay at LeBittard Show? The reason I asked the question is because the quote that he just had, which was amazing, it's just a great quote. It's like part Blade Runner and part something you'd expect to hear in the year 2050. Max Scherzer said, quote, can we just be judged by humans? Because he doesn't like the electronic robot umpire thing.

Like a lot of the people don't can we just be judged by Humans I saw that football we haven't talked about this today football is now going to electronics They're gonna use the chains, but the chains are gonna be a backup the the main technology that they're going to use to officiate Is not going to be human do you guys want to lament the idea of can we just be judged by humans? The longing to be judged more imperfectly than perfectly. Hot take, the chains have always been the backup. The referees just spot the ball and whenever they're not sure they bring out the chains.

Okay, but the chains are how it is that we're used to doing the finality of the measurement, and they basically just changed the rules because Josh Allen lost. So we're off the chains now? Give me the sound of the Major League Baseball umpire who is also a bit bothered by the idea that the electronics are coming. I love this.

This is in minor league baseball, they are doing, you can challenge balls and strikes. So there's a pitch that's challenged, and then the call is told to be right or wrong and the umpire announces that call. Good breaking ball just misses Brett Sullivan gonna challenge. Brett has been expert at the ABS system. Ooh. The call is surprisingly correct. So a couple of weeks in and we already have sarcastic umpires taking victory laps.

I want my NBA refs to do that. I want them to give us some editorializing. And looking right into the camera the way that they do after the challenge calls when they have to explain just, I was right. Billy Kennedy, who was repping the game last night, he's a guy that delivers it. He's so funny.

He does a great job of delivery. Billy, I'm looking at you right now. I need you to start doing this. Be more sarcastic when you announce whether the call is upheld or overturned. Surprisingly, I was right. I am still, I know we complain about officiating all the time, but I'm stunned at how accurate

baseball umpires actually are when I see that tiny box and how precise that tiny box is and how often they get the call right when you're an inch outside of the strike zone. I know we noticed the mistakes, but the humans on at least plate umpiring, I have found outside of Angel Hernandez, most of them do it correctly It's pretty amazing considering you'll still have like a Hall of Famer in John Carlos Stanton swinging at a pitch

That's like two feet outside because he can't recognize that it's a slider guesses and yet these these umpires are Constantly able to right out of a pitcher's hand be able to know Where the break is gonna go not be fooled often by which pitch is coming in so that they can properly tell by inches whether or not a ball is just on the black or not it's it's as impressive as some things that actually happen on the field and then you miss one call and I'm like oh come on blue get your head out of your ass okay are any of these umpires former players?

They should be awesome hitters, right? If they can see it that well. You would think so. It's just like a catcher though, right? Like catchers you would think would be the best hitters in baseball, but the answer is no. But the answer to his question is also no. There aren't a lot of major league players that are umpiring.

I don't know that there are any. Cause now imagine Barry Bonds as a plate umpire. You see it all. He'd be like, oh, now it's a strike. I'm like, what are you talking about? I was like, go ahead, do the replay. I wish a call. Why would you become an ump though

if you made like 10 million bucks playing baseball? Guys, I think the hard part is hitting the ball though. Just watching it come in, probably a little easier. It would be funny to see an umpire's knees buckle on a curve ball though. Just like, oh shit, I thought it was a fastball. Plate discipline is important though, but there is that other part of having to make the contact.

Yes. And at the small object with a very narrow object. A lot of major league players from the earlier part of the 1900s then became umpires. I'm looking at a list here of about probably 20, 25 guys. And the majority of them, it was that they were umpires from, you know, 1925 to 1947 after playing in the early 20th century. Just think of the, uh, Barry Bonds ego deciding that what he's going to do with

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