The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Ryan's Back (feat. Ros Gold-Onwude)

Episode Date: July 1, 2025

Ros Gold-Onwude of Good Follow joins us and Mike Ryan wants to know if he is allowed to hate Angel Reese for no reason. Plus, Dan wants to know who the last great White American basketball player is and we dive deep on the all-time handles tiers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It was me, it was gold or good and nobody knew what the hell it meant. But I think she knew how to play it. I think it was the rest of us that were confused and it was a poor explanation. Kugler's got a new game for Ross that is gonna be more difficult than that one. But Ross, I don't remember, you tell me

and thank you for joining us. You got the game last time. It was the rest of us that weren't very good at it, correct? We went with the flow. We just took it as it came, you know, good as gold. That means she doesn't know, Dana. No, no. I wanted to talk to you about the basketball transactions of the moment. Can you tell me which one you found most interesting? All of the players are signing with the same teams it seems like. Minor

transactions. I thought the LeBron, the statement afterward was weird, but what did you find most interesting about the last couple of days? Well I thought the draft was exciting first of all. Shout out to Kamon Malua at a South Sudan. Love that for African basketball players. I actually got to know him when I was in Dakar in Senegal with the NBA Africa and BAL, the basketball league they create out there. And like, this is part of the globalization of the game.

The NBA has been heavily investing in Africa and there's gonna be a lot more than just like one Joel Embiid or one Pascal Siakam. So that was exciting. I'm interested in the Mike Brown rumors as a head coach for the Knicks, perhaps. I got to know him really well in my time with the Warriors and he's obviously a very accomplished coach.

I heard Dawn Staley got an interview. I don't know if that's true or not. Well, can we talk about that for a second? How would that go? Like, what are your thoughts there? She would be immediately the most high profile candidate they could possibly get to replace Tom Thibodeau. It would be the splashiest hire that you could possibly make. It would win the headline or be a headline. I don't know. It depends on who's reading the headline. You know Dawn's highly respected. She's a winner. She's done it on the Olympic level, on the collegiate level.

She's won as a pro player. But she has, you know, I think the Knicks made a splashy move in moving Tom Thibodeau and moving Tibbs and like not really having a great plan on like what the next move would be. Yeah, it's frustrating. I've been a fan of that team my entire life. I have a better headline though.

LeBron player coach with the Knicks. How about that? It's illegal against the CBA. Wow. Yeah, and then we'll just- Not for LeBron. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

And we'll bring Bronny over as well. We'll make it a whole thing. Bronny can coach, yes. Other than the part about it being illegal though, Mike, I think it's a great idea for Splash. Well, hold on a second. What if, wait, wait, wait, whoa. What if the Knicks hire Brauny to be their head coach,

not intending to play him, knowing that then LeBron is actually the coach? That's what Ross was getting to. This is all, it's chess, not checkers, guys. I'd like to bounce around the league a little bit with you. Jaren Jackson Jr. for $240 million, thoughts there? You know what? That's the money and the going price for these players.

Jaren Jackson in some ways hasn't been everything that we thought he was going to be, especially early in his career. But I also think the momentum in the past couple years, when we look at Memphis, has been so staccato and up and down with disruptions from John Morant to moving coaches to just like it's hard to see what a player actually has. So I think and now it doesn't bang on like it's I feel like it's hard to get the best out of someone when

there's so much tumultuous energy within an organization. Can I get a ruling from you as an ambassador of sorts? Is Mike Ryan allowed to not like Angel Reese? You are entitled to your opinion, full stop, but like what's your reason? Oh this was positioned the wrong way. I personally have no problem with Angel Reese, but I'd like to dislike her if I actually had a problem with it and it seems as though on social media and the fan base around WNBA, there's a very protective ecosystem around WNBA players. And I would make the argument that equality means hating Angel Reese just as much as I irrationally hate Terry Rozier.

People need to be okay with that. Yeah. Yeah. That's scary, Terry. You know, I actually think like the freedom for fandom is really important as the WNBA grows. And like, it's okay. I think one of the things that's helped the WNBA grow is movement away from all the girls

are the best in the world and the most positive and this and that you've got different reasons you like different players. These are complex people, you know, like there's players that talk a lot of trash, there's players that flop, there's players that, you know, are fashion pieces. And I like that, that it's evoking an emotion out of you. Here's where I push back.

Here's where I push back. When you're trying to make analysis on the quality of how good a player that she is based on those emotions and not actual facts Right, but I want to work rationally hate people the way that I irrationally hate Terry Rosario Which is like a bad example because as we all know Terry Rosario is garbage, but if there were You prove that he's not garbage. You prove that he's not garbage, I like my hand. Either way, I hate Paul Pierce.

Hall of Fame player, champion, hate him, think he sucks. Just a bad guy. I wanna be entitled to irrationally hate players and it seems as though in the WNBA I'm not afforded that ability. I think more than anyone though, Angel Reese gets hated on based off of irrational Logic alternative facts emotions. Just I don't I don't like her type. Yeah, that's good

That's more right there more that that's more she gets that more than any player in the W. Yeah. All right quality We did it I'm not sure that it comes from a healthy place though. Like what is it that you're just like, honestly, no one else is like saying, what about Terry Rosier's feelings on the men's side? This is what sports fans are. I want to hate people because they wear another uniform.

Are you willing to say she's a talented player? I mean, again, not the perfect case study because I don't really care one way or another when it comes to Angel Reese. But I would like that Liberty, not the New York Liberty. I would just like the Liberty to hate her irrationally and it'd be okay with everybody. Well, this is the part I'm not okay with.

It's not just that she became the fastest player in league history to reach 150 rebounds, 50 assists in a single season, fastest player to score 500 points, 500 rebounds. It's using the words hate and garbage is where I'm stopping you. That's it, just to stop a note shy of a hate and garbage. All right, well same energy for Terry Rozier.

Would you like to defend him with the same kind of fervor? I don't think he's garbage. Are you okay with me? You don't? He was just investigated for fixing games and he was proved to be innocent, which means he's just that bad. He's making $26 million, come on. That is weird, right?

We're getting great points. No, I'm just not good at basketball. Come on. And the judge is like, hate him. Yeah, confirmed. He's bad at basketball. What reason has he given you to not hate him? Say you hate him.

No, I don't hate him. These guys are nuts. I couldn't imagine passing up just millions of dollars on contracts to fix games and blow blow a beautiful Financial future for myself. Where is the common sense in the NBA with some of these players getting mixed up in this stuff? Allegedly nothing has been proven yet. No nice little betting scandal in the W to Rosier has it's actually been proven that Rosier was not fixing games So there is it's been disproven this. I'm just saying that somebody who gets to the top of a professional sport, top 1% of the 1%, why not?

Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not?

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Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? guilty of garbage. I know Roz is gonna be on my side with this. I'm just saying that somebody who gets to the top of a professional sport, top 1% of the 1% while fighting people for money in the world at basketball, that person shouldn't be referred to as garbage. That's all. But what if he's compared to all the other players in the league? I understand I'm garbage at basketball compared to Terry Rozier. Right. But Terry Rosier compared to your average NBA player. I'll step up though, like just to say like what Angel Reese is doing in the WNBA

specifically in rebounds and also in the way she's been playing in the last, like five, five or six games now. Um, she's not comparable to Terry Rosier. We're talking about a player who will rewrite history books, who is on a path to be one of the most historic and legendary players of her position. I mean, and like she had a rough start this season, but to compare her to Terry Roger is is misleading. And if you are going to have a rational and not fair analysis, I think you as an analyst can be judged upon that too.

Are you okay with that, being judged upon that irrational and not true or fair analysis? Totally, yeah. I've done it for 20 years. Okay, well then cool. Super cool with it. Also, again, I got no problem with Angel Reese, but now I think I do.

So Angel Reese, we got beef now. Because I knew Dan was gonna set me up for this bullshit. But she is not comparable to Terry Rozier. She is not comparable. You're talking about one of the historic potential second year players who has the potential to be like a legendary player in the entire game of women's basketball.

Thank you, Dan. Thank you for this. Now I'm an anti-Angel Reese guy. What I said is I wanted the freedom to hate on Angel Reese, which now you got it. You do have the freedom to hate. You do have the freedom of fandom. Mike, just say she's a talented player. That's all she's saying. I said is To hate on Angel Reese Talented player that's all she's saying say I don't want to anymore because now you've pushed me into a rash No, are you back me into a corner the claws come out? That's what happens, but if you compliment her on the front end saying she's one of the greats of all time

She's gonna be one of the greats of all time. I just don't like her Well, if you're on boarded properly why wouldn't have to do that? One of the things hold on a second here. Sounds like Dan did this to you. Dan did. Minor penalty, two minutes, asshole. Jesus. About to help you.

Asshole, that was being like irrational. We're gonna play this game with Rods in a second, but- Oh, exciting. The thing that's problematic here is that Angel Reese is being an avatar for whatever it is that people wanna put on her, but what she is though is a bully. She's physically a bully, and not a whole lot of people can do anything about it,

and so those don't tend to be liked very much across sports. Even Shaquille O'Neal being bigger and stronger. Yeah, but we liked Oakley. Is there such a thing as somebody that is, in the history of this sport, has there been anybody who's played this physically to put up these numbers because she's being physically bullying?

Angel's tenacity on the class has never been seen. And like, she is just magnetic to the rebounds. But I also think too, like she's when she's caught in motion with the ball in her hand, she's done a nice job of assisting finding her teammates lately. She's been a playmaking post lately. It's shown some growth. She's extended her range. She's taking more threes now. I mean, these are things you notice you'd have to watch. And I think with Angel, so many people have very strong opinions and haven't maybe watched.

I'm curious if Ryan, did he watch Angel Rees play this season? I'd love to know if he's watching. No, Ryan hasn't. He's sulking in the other room. Let's play this game. Now there's Mike. She's gotta get out of here.

Watch, listen, and subscribe to Good Follows. She's doing a spectacular job on it She's on Instagram tick tock and YouTube the game is gold silver bronze or did not podium Or did not pro podium so it is it is worthy but Gold or silver bronze How the game works Roz this is how it works It's essentially blind ranking. So you're gonna get a name, and then you have to say,

is this person gold, silver, bronze, or not podium? But you're not gonna know who's coming next. And there are four. There are four in each category, and you're only gonna pick three. Are you ready? So I'm gonna give you four in each category. Oh no, no, you read one at a time,

and then she says where that person goes. Gold, silver, bronze, or not podium. That's fine. So start with that top name and let her rank that name. There's only gonna be four. Gold, silver, bronze, not podium. Okay, give me the music. Well no, you have to say it first and then the music.

Gold, silver, bronze, or did not podium. You don't worry about the music, Ross. I got that. Wait. Wait, hold on. So the four, so there's only four categories that each one can be one. No, there's four slots, yeah, yeah.

Not confusing. You don't know what's coming, you just have to say gold, silver, or bronze, and I'm telling you in advance, I'm gonna give you four choices, and you're gonna only be able to get three who metal. Well, one's not gonna podium. There's only four answers,

I only have four things I can say, I got it. And only three slots. Just be careful, it's a dangerous game. Really easy though. Really easy to understand. Give me the music. Okay, so. And at the end of that, you're gonna spar with someone. Cougler.

Unless they leave. Okay, and then it's a fight to the end. She's gotta go. She has to go. We're ready. Play the music. The music is after the choice. It's thinking music.

Right. I'll just play it. What's the prize? No prizes. Okay. The prize is not the choice. It's thinking music. Right. I'll just play it. What's the prize? No prizes. Okay. The prize is my laughter at this. Pride, pride.

Yeah, all right. Oh, Ryan's back. Don't say gold or anything. Just give a name and let her put them on the podium. That's it. She's gotta go. Hello, Ryan, welcome back. Real shame.

Ryan, Ryan, have you watched Angel Reese play a game this season, this WNBA season? He's going to Chicago this weekend just to see her. Tell the truth, have you watched a WNBA game of Angel Reese this season? Uh-oh. No. Yeah.

Off the podium. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will happily admit that I don't watch the W. I do watch women's college basketball. I don't have the fan width to watch the W. Don't really like it. And in America, it's a safe space. How can you have such a strong opinion? You never watch the W. E-lational.

That's what sports radio is all about. E-lational. Yes, he wants the ability to hate her for no reason like he hates men for no reason. Freedom to hate. Exactly. Freedom to hate. Exactly. Freedom to hate. This is crazy. It is.

Okay, let's play the game. Yeah. Let's play the game. Roz has to go. But she's absolutely. Ryan did not podium. That's my first answer. Ryan did not podium.

He wasn't in the podium. Go, please stay. Nafisa, call your gold, silver, or bronze. We're not podium. Gold. Caitlin Clark. Bronze. Asia Wilson. Silver.

Angel Reese. I guess she didn't podium. You don't like her either, you see? No. What? Apologize to Ryan. You see? I mean. No. What? What? We're at a point. Apologize to Ryan. What?

Apologize to Ryan. What? Oh. This was a setup. This was a setup from the start. This was a setup from the start. It was. It was a total setup.

It was a setup. You and I are one. You and me, both set up. We framed her. Oh, wait. Now can Ryan and I get in a boxing match and be on a fight to the belly? That's not equality. What is going on here?

That's not equality. No. Roz, thank you. That's not equality there. Good seeing you. Good follow. Follow, listen, and subscribe. Thank you.

We appreciate your time. Long live Angel Reese. That is correct. Man. You just kept her off the podium. I am truly a courageous voice in the media. Nobody out there doing what I'm doing. Glad we got to that game.

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That's shocking. Stugatz. Here's a picture of Christopher when he was like three years old. Right next to the condom. Yeah. Never forget. This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats. The all-time handles tier, I want to get to it because we promised it earlier and I can't

believe that we have a list that is in the Stugats wheelhouse that has taken us two hours, two segments, two and a half hours to get to. Let's get to these tiers on all-time handles. When I say Greg Cody, this is a good one for you, Greg. You doing okay? Sure. All-time handles, do you know what we're talking about? Well, handle has several definitions. Right, but do you know which one we're talking about?

No, cabinetry. Nicknames, I assume you mean? No, a good guess, but we're talking about basketball handles. Okay. Like somebody who is a maestro at dribbling. Ability to dribble. Who do you think of? Everybody in the NBA, I mean who's not a good dribbler?

Manu Bull. Okay, that's a good one. Am I sure to say Kailin Clark. Kailin Brown, left-handed. Why doesn't Greg come up with his top five nicknames while Stugats does his top five handles? That's fine, Greg, you do top five handles the way that you were gonna do it,

and then we're gonna go to the all-time handles tiers list here from Fast Break Hoops. You've got Allen Iverson and Kyrie Irving on the top tier. That one sort of goes without saying, right? Kyrie Irving, I would say that universally, people would put Kyrie Irving above Allen Iverson. Would they not? Yeah, he's number one as far as handles league-wide.

You're giving Allen Iverson more credit than I'm giving him by putting him on the same class as Kyrie Irving. Kyrie Irving is the best dribbler I have ever seen, has the best ball control I have ever seen. But Steph Curry is pretty good with a basketball too in terms of just handles. I mean I'm with Mike, the disrespect to Pistol Pete. Where is he? This is bullshit. See, tier three, there is one person there that did it with their hand over the ball. Okay, I know because when I went to Westwood Christian,

I was instructed by Pistol Pete himself via VHS. All right, and he told me how to play the game the right way. Everybody else, carries. Let me get to the rest of this though. Jamal Crawford, there's the second tier, okay, and it's Isaiah Thomas, Steph Curry, and Jamal Crawford. Tony, you don't like that.

Zeke, I feel like we could push Zeke down a little bit. Get him out of there. I don't think a whole lot of people would object if I put Jason Williams where Zeke is, even though Zeke was a better basketball player by leaps and bounds. I don't think, like Jason, the third tier here of Chris Paul.

This is a mean tier right here. I mean, James Harden carries like a son of a gun. The third. Congratulations on being able to dribble. Yeah, James Harden, get him out of there. Remove him entirely, but the rest of that is good. The third tier is Jason Williams, Tim Hardaway, Pistol Pete, James Harden, and Chris Paul. It's a good tier.

It is, I feel like Hardaway should be tier two though. Maybe Jason Williams as well. I'm shocked. With tier four, I guess they're accounting for size. Well, Steve Nash has to be in the top three tiers. How can team three, how can? He wasn't super flashy with it though. He just had a great handle.

But when Dan puts it that way, I mean, Steve Nash and Kevin Durant occupying the same tier. KD, ugh. KD. I mean, he can swipe him easy. He's just so big. You've got Marbury and Francis on that fourth tier. I like it. Stevie franchise. And they just don't wanna disrespect the Kobe Stans and Jordan St that fourth tier. I like it. Stevie franchise.

And they just don't want to disrespect the Kobe stans and Jordan stans with tier five. The thing that I notice on these top four tiers is because these people are of a similar size, how ridiculous it is that Kevin Durant at his size is in these four tiers when all of these people are small. Like every last one of them has to, if you think of that sport as survival of the fittest like a literal thing survival of the fittest

the the smaller people have to develop advantages that make up for their lack of size and handles everyone here is at least under six four everyone I'm looking at this list look is there anyone is was Jamal Crawford six five I think Durant is a better J crosser'5". Do you think Durant has better handles than LeBron? I don't. LeBron doesn't have that move result. He's not on here. LeBron's not in any of the five tiers.

It's ridiculous to have Durant over LeBron in this discussion. Is that Havlicek? Hondo. Hondo. Is it? I can't see because it's kind of far away. Is it Havlicek? There's gotta be a...

You gotta have your own tier if you dribbled with your hand over the ball everybody else is just carrying Yeah, but you drive a bunch of travelers. They're cheating have you have you try to play? Basketball the way that the modern-day players do is much easier much easier If you have if you're allowed to put your hand over the ball go over and it's way easier game now Yeah, I love AI as much as any I was was a 90s kid. Love Allen Iverson. Carried a lot. It's magic not on there. Imagine magic not being on there.

I don't see him on there. It was magic. We can't be given aggregate sites like this, engagement bait sites like this, the time of day. Every time I see big game boomer, oh really big game boomer? You went to San Jose State's tailgate, did ya? And it just gets circulated and gets a million likes. It's BS.

Can you please go over there and get the gear head? I need to, I need to, yes Greg is struggling, he's coughing, he's sneezing, he's been running his nose, there have been tissues all over the floor here. Is everything okay? You seem a little bit tired, you seem a little out of sorts. I'm a little under the weather. Yeah. I pressed the cough button though, so I don't know. But are you okay?

Yeah. Is everything okay? No, I'm fine. I'm also a little worried about the timing of this bit. It's niche to say the least and I've already been positioned as a sexist. Just very recently. I didn't position you that way.

Well you fought for the ability to be a sexist. That's my, yeah, well, I guess. I fought for the ability to hate. And you won, congrats, you were sexist. See, the thing is, I didn't see gender. To me, I'm the most forward-thinking gender equality guy that there is. Really?

Are you that, the way that, the way that Greg is the opposite of Prude? Like, you're the most gender equality person there is. I truly don't know what she was talking about, like espousing the virtues of angels game, that's cool. I want to hate them. Let me hate them. Irrationally.

I said it on the... She missed the point. From the jump, yeah. I want to be able to hate somebody irrationally on social media. I want to be toxic. This is something that I'm afforded when it comes to men, but when it comes to women, it seems to be an issue. Yes, and probably should continue to be an issue

for as long as, I don't think you should be. America's got work to do. Yeah. You're perpetrating a separation, Dan, is what you're doing. Yes, you position me as a sexist when all I want is equality. No, I did not.

I said, I asked Roz if you had permission to hate Angel Reese. That's what I said. I didn't position you as a sexist. And it was denied, but I don't actually hate Angel Reese, but now I do because of that segment. You guys are setting this all wrong. Mike just wants to be able to hate a woman for no reason at all. Thank you.

As opposed to for being a woman. I mean, look at that. I don't like your tone. Whatever his reason is, what are you doing there? I don't like your tone. They're his reasons, Dan. Exactly right.

I don't like your tone. I have five reasons. I don't know, Brad Morcian is a, do I just hate French Canadians now? That's my thing? Jeez. I don't know, is it? Wee-wee?

Do you want it to be your thing? Yes, I would, I like the option. Can you hate Canadians, Dan, for no reason other than being French Canadians? I feel like being like the French I feel like that's the last place that everyone's allowed to hate I thought the French yes every thinker like half this country wake up one day decide I am free to hate Canada finally thank God nope I believe that we're only there with France I don't believe that we're there for and it's just and and with France, France also gets this,

it's just look at you, it's your face. Well we get that too. Have you ever gone over there as a tourist? Oh no, no, well we get that all over the world. Yeah. Of course, but I'm saying that the French are the last place where I could be at a microphone and say some form of, yeah, don't like the French.

And everyone understands. And everyone's like, that's still allowed today, we might get we're with you Dan. Oh, yeah sounds like America sponsored by the haters Am I right? boy Finally there you go long play coming by the way, so let me ask you guys a question if You know the president gets his way and Canada becomes a 51st state then are you just hating yourself? No, because then we just count electoral votes and we realize he's just guaranteed liberal control of the country forever.

How do you feel about putting on that hat with that mustache that Angel Reese take and your general love of NASCAR and making it MAGA Mike Mondays? Whoa! What are you doing there? Dog, what? You said that hat, it was also confusing.

No. Oh, he said no. Jason, get to work on that. Yeah, Jason just kind of does whatever he wants was also confusing. No. Oh, he said no. Jason, get to work on that. Jason just kind of does whatever he wants. Imaging. No. Yeah. We're not.

Red Hat Mondays, it sounds like. We're not doing that one. Was Bob Cousy on the list? Kyle Larson. Is that Cousy? Well, there was a white Celtic in there, but I couldn't see with my glasses. It was so far away.

I didn't know whether it was Hondo or Cousy. I didn't know who it was. On the second tier, the fourth tier, I see he's next to Nash. I don't know who it was Hondo or koozie. I didn't know it was probably not on the second tier the fourth tier I see he's next to Nash. I don't know who that fourth guy is either. Is that Kemba Walker? Who's that fourth guy? Oh, oh is that Dame that does look like Kemba is that is that Steve Francis? Yes, Francis and Marbury are on the fourth tier with Durant. Is that Rondo down there? Yeah wall Yeah, I know Puzi. John Wall.

Yeah, that's Kemba. Kemba making the fourth tier. KD better handles than Derek Rose. I can't accept giving this person. That's Kemba better handles than Michael Jordan and Kobe. And Dame and Derek Rose. Who's the white guy? And Rondo.

Where are the whites? Steve Nash. Cody. He's Canadian. Cody, we need your help here on who's the second Celtic. This is your age right next to Steve Nash. This is your age. How do you not know who this is? This is absolutely your wheelhouse.

I believe that is a young Bob Cousy. Yeah, I believe Greg is right. Yes. A script for NASCAR? Oh yeah. That's Bob Cousy. I think Greg also has like a top five the coups list of nicknames right yes top five handles from Greg Cody I only have one okay good work by you today.

I asked you to prepare a top five list you stared you looked around you didn't do anything and then you said I've got one yeah well I'm not you know what don't even want the rare top five list. I'm not you know what don't even want the rare time Okay, I'm not even gonna show you I mean can I say it silver bronze didn't make the podium very long-winded answer I spent all night on this Go ahead Greg. I like that game actually no he said he didn't want it formal appeal on a silver bronze like you I don't know. I don't want your game. Okay, right? It's a beautiful ever so not wondering now who the one was though. Just gonna eat this all day.

That is true. Okay. Want there to be record that I strongly pose mega Mike Monday. Or any very interesting. You want it on Tuesday? Yeah, preferably on Wednesdays. Wow.

Let's pick him on Wednesdays. You can have Wednesday if you want. Sweet. Yeah, let's talk, you wanna talk some racing? You wanna talk some left turns? We're mixing in some right turns this week in Chicago, but let's talk about the Atlanta race. I mean, it's essentially a super speedway.

Incredible race. It was TNT's first race with their package, and it was incredible. Multiple big ones. DraftKings unveiled this in-season tournament that featured head-to-head matchups. It was a bracket challenge. And Damien, all the lower seeds won because of the chaos that was

on this track. But you had incredible racing, especially down the stretch. You had Alex Bowman and Chase Elliott teaming up to effectively make sure that Brad Kozlowski would not win a race and you had great thrills. It's two really popular drivers that have been waiting a long time for a win on the NASCAR circuit. Battle it out and Chase Elliott wins his first race in 44 races. That is NASCAR's most popular driver in his hometown track. It was absolute scenes. But this week, I'm actually headed to Chicago. Second straight year I've done this for the 4th of July weekend. Going to the Chicago street race, which is

incredible down at Graham Park, beside a Lollapalooza. And doing something really cool with Draft Kings and Quervod. They're teaming up for the ultimate street race party at Graham Park, the site of Lollapalooza, and doing something really cool with DraftKings and Quervod. They're teaming up for the Ultimate Street Race party at Joy District, 112 West Hubbard Street, Saturday, July 5th from 11 a.m. to 3 p.m. Come through for drinks, racing, vibes, giveaways, Xfinity Series race is going on that day. Zach Brown Band concert is a part of all the festivities. This isn't your traditional NASCAR race

because the infield is where they hold Lollapalooza. So you got concerts, activations, incredible opportunities to meet and greet with some of the circuit's greatest drivers. And for a street race, I really hope the weather holds up because this one has promise. The Xfinity Series race last year was one of the best street races I've ever seen with Larsen and Van Ginsbergen doing battle. But for whatever reason the Cup Series has just never had the benefit of good weather. If you have a sunny day in summertime shy downtown with all those buildings around it it should be picturesque and for a

street course really good racing so I'm excited about that and just whatever happens we cannot have a repeat of last year where Alex Bowman somehow wins. You mentioned Kyle Larson though what is the video setup that is Just whatever happens. We cannot have a repeat of last year where Alex Bowman somehow wins. You mentioned Kyle Larson though. What is the video setup that is required here for somebody throwing an F-bomb into the sky? What is the context that this video with Kyle Larson requires? So Formula One fans got super excited because there was chaos in their most recent race. And they don't know chaos. Chaos is a NASCAR race, especially super speedway racing. So this will put you in Kyle Larson's car as a spotter is talking to him helping him navigate the chaos that's in front of him. Kyle Larson one

of the few big-name drivers that didn't get caught up in this mess and it was by expert level driving and expert level spotting here's the video. now. Tight, tight, wrecking in front of you. Reckon, hold it. Hold it straight, hold it straight, watch 20. Check up, middle, middle, middle, watch 12, watch, check, check, check, check, check, keep coming, up, up, up. That's crazy. Holy ****. Great job. Really good heads up. Yeah, good work. Absolute chaos. Let's throw up one more time just as a B-roll, you don't need the sound

there. But these cars are going, at this point, 170 miles per hour. And everyone's fishtailing. No one's in control of their car. Kyle Larson's had some really good moments this season and some tough luck this season, somehow avoids this. This is the same spotter that went at Kyle last year when Danny Hamlin was kind of bullying him a little bit

and he's like, he pulls that move because you let him. And he got all sassy and Kyle Larson was like, dude, shut the fuck up, seems like they made up. Have you guys been scared like that? That's happened to me a couple of times in a fish-tailing car, one time spinning on a highway. When you're drafting on the highway, Dan-O? It was not while drafting, but it was just,

I did not know in Bristol, Connecticut how to drive in snow as a Miami guy. Wasn't aware that you gotta use your brakes differently. So in there. Yeah, I just didn't know and nobody taught me that you got to Have special special tires Have you guys ever been in a fishtailing car? It's horrifying Yeah, when it's raining down the the Florida turnpike not fun. Also there was one time I was driving to Tallahassee for an FSU game. That's the only reason I'd ever be in that crap town. I was driving an excursion and I was going about 75 on the panhandle, blew a tire, somehow saved everybody's life. You are filled with hate today. No need for Tallahassee. It's a

crap town. It's unnecessary. I wanted to talk to you guys about something. I mentioned this a couple of times. There was an Adam Schefter report talking to an NBA executive, an NBA executive who said that whoever won the lottery in the NBA this year and got Cooper flag was literally winning a lottery that would be worth between 500 million and a billion dollars to be able to get Cooper Flag. And it's not just the potential of Cooper Flag. I think what's unstated there, or is it unstated? You tell me if you hear a lot being talked about in this realm, it's white American Cooper Flag

being great at basketball. Who is the last great white American player? And I- Larry Bird I When I talk about this I do want you to understand that for a few years now I have been saying the language barrier makes it so that when Yanis crosses it Charmingly fighting through his second language to do so he becomes an international superstar and beloved in this country but it's been harder for the personality of Jokic to cross the language barrier for

Lucas personality to cross the language barrier I'm just talking I'm not talking about guys who are great at basketball they obviously are I'm talking about foreigners who are great at basketball, which we identify as our game. And furthermore, the game has been fed for 50 years on the starting point was the racial rivalry between Larry Bird and Magic. That's ground zero on where we went from tape delay to international stardom and rest assured, the race was a big part of it. It's not just that they were great. It's that one of them was black and one of them was white. Cooper Flagg has a chance to be something bigger than what?

Kevin Love? Like who are the white Americans that we even go to in the last 20 years as foreigners keep coming over and Joel Embiid tries to reach you where he can over the language barrier and does. It has to be Kevin Love or Alex Caruso. I've got news for you. I've got news for you.

It's not just the whites. I've heard Bomani talk about this and why there were so many hopes and how John Morant moved the needle because we're essentially in the middle of a new generation of basketball where the biggest, most elite stars in that sport aren't American.

Even the reigning MVP is Canadian. He just signed for $285 million in extension today. John Morant, a lot of hopes were on him to be like the American Hooper that gets people reinvigorated and replaces the Durant. Like Derrick Rose did once upon a time. Yeah, and it just, with Ja, a lot of it's been in his own doing,

but there hasn't been like that new talisman as an American. Certainly when it comes to a white American basketball player in that league, we haven't seen it for quite some time because as great as Kevin Love was, he's going to be a Hall of Famer and capture the imagination the way that Caitlin Clark is. And I think you look at the Caitlin Clark phenomenon. Yeah, she's an incredible hooper, too. But part of it is we can't ignore this is she's an American white it helps and so if Cooper flag is as good as advertised and they've been advertising him since he was 16 years old this is going to be a big deal for the league and I'd add to that though beyond the race element this

is something that always where phenomenons are These catch in ways that are unusual and it's unusual to say about a white American, but whether it is Jeremy Lynn Fernando Valenzuela Dantrell Willis whatever you think of as sports Phenomenons that cross over where all of a sudden it's Good Morning America, Robin Roberts, what's this ethnic thing over here? The white American is that in basketball as a novelty. It's just like, wait a minute, what do you mean? We're gonna get something different than what Nick Collison gets when he runs on every court for the last 20 years, which is everyone shouting, shooter! Even though he's not. Largely role players now. It's true.

The white American basketball player that is an elite All-Star in that sport is, it's of a bygone era. And if Cooper Flagg strolls into the league, he's going to stroll into the league that hasn't seen it for 20 years? You guys may not like this answer, but the person you're talking with is Tyler Hero, right?

White American All-Star. It's like, has, but the person you're talking was Tyler hero, right? That is the answer. All-star. Yes. And it's like, has he taken the nation by storm? He's got a song with Jack Harlow that had used his name, but like even that doesn't breach like pop culture the way it does. But remember they made their deep runs with him injured. The rookie run that he put was at 40 points in the bubble, an incredible performance there. Remember how outsized the reaction was for Tyler hero if he makes deeper runs

Yes, he's an all-star right now, but he's a total afterthought in the league. Thanks a lot Pat great first day of free agency By the way, like he will certainly ascend and he will become a big deal You're not wondering who that person on Greg's list is. It's killing me You're not wondering who that person on Greg's list is. It's killing me. I need to know. Can you tell us Greg, please? I need to know. I need to know.

You'll never know. No one will ever know. Literally. You never know. No, I can't now. My pride won't let me. Pride of a lion. Yeah, thank you.

That's right. Is it Gary the Bag? It is not. Oh, that's a good one. Might not even be a human being. Really? Yeah. Now we need to. Might not. Oh, that's a good one. Might not even be a human being. Really? Yeah. Now we need to.

Might not. But it might be. You'll never know.