The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Schatz Fired

Episode Date: February 13, 2025

Porn star or fullback? The crew gets into a conversation about the application of analytics within analysis and why Stugotz and Greg Cote might be right to be afraid of more information. Why can't we all just have great vibes like Tony Romo? Then, Greg vigorously defends David Samson and his case to be added to the Marlins Hall of Fame despite the Shipping Container's criticism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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As we celebrate 20 years around here in this particular room with my friends who are beat up and tired and have a lot to do. Greg Cody's got to run out of here in a little bit before the chefs get here. Stu Gotz has to run out of here because he's got a ton of things to do with God Bless Football, which is growing great, and Chris Sims is great, and Belmonti Jones is on a recent episode, and that's great. And as they get tired and stuff and get beat up, running, trying to make this a video company as well as an audio company,

I am reminded of the most wonderful times in this show's history when it behaved as only a radio show, only a thing that was heard, it didn't behave as if it was watched and was intimate watched. Intimate because it was heard, that didn't behave as if it was watched and was intimate, watched. Intimate because it was heard. And I close my eyes during the break, and I hear that show sometimes when Stugatz is talking to whomever it is that he's talking to off the air. And when my eyes are closed, it sounds like the voice of the devil wandering around

trying to tempt people into bad things. And so what I just heard that put a smile on my face while my eyes were closed and I had gotten the breath, you know, the the blessed relief of Stu got not machine gun talking at everybody all day. I heard our radio show when he simply said to somebody, I do not know who it is Google obscure porn names and see if any of them sound like a fullback.

That was me. He was talking to you? Yeah, we're looking for a potential new game. Yes. Fullback or porn star. Yes. I thought he was talking to Malley because now all of us, I don't,

what I'm telling you about what's happening around here, cause we got so much spinning around at all times The audio Stu got and please video. Let's check in right now with Jessica as she shovels oatmeal into her face She's taken she was very she was very good about waiting today instead of eating it like the birdseed last week But you must be hungry. We've gone to very fast hours and there hasn't been a lot of fuel around here. I made the mistake of making oatmeal today for my granola. It's like a oat on oat with oat milk crime, I guess. And it takes five to 10 minutes to like steep

in the little cup. So the whole break, I was just waiting for it to be ready. And now it's finally ready, but the show's about to start. But if I wait a half hour, it's gonna be cold. So I have to eat it. I really don't have a choice. Cold is cold is cold. And I've heard that people really like

when I'm eating on air. They like the sound of me chewing while I talk. Is there honey on that? Do you put, how do you sweeten that up? Or is it just oats on oats on oats? My granola has a nice little brown sugar maple flavor. So it's very sweet, Dan. JT Blondie Black.

Full back or point star, Blondie Black. Fullback or Point Star? Blondie Black. Keep working on it. We will see if we can get off the ground there. Fullback? Oh! What a new game. I think it's a good game. I think it's got some potential back there. Born Star or Fullback?

Or we could do it this way. We could listen to Dominique Foxworth here and I want to get the analysis of the group on this. And I will see if I agree with your analysis or if I disagree with your analysis of my analysis. But let's see Dominique Foxworth talking about whether or not analytics have made the game less fun to cover, talk about, watch. Probably like three factions or I guess disciplines of NFL media. And it's one like the guys who are probably closer to how we were when we were like teenagers and preteens

where it's like, that's just dope. Like, you just like excited because something's cool. Like, you don't, you read a couple articles here or there but you don't live and breathe this stuff. You're not like a crazy sports gambler. You're like, this is really cool. And it's just like the basic fan. And then there's like an advanced level of it, I would guess.

And that there is like the ball watchers and the jargon users and the film guys, which I think these two groups are the ones that I think offend Charlie specifically more than the other ones. And then there's the other group where it's like a, like this is homework, where it's like a, like this is homework, where it's like the stats nerds where they just kind of suck all the fun out of it, and I think,

or not all the fun out of it, where they're looking to solve the problem, which like- Speak definitively on topics. Yeah. It would take out the gray area of a game that's really complicated. And I could speak to this specifically because I think when I first got into media,

like I recognized that I am who I am so I Try to overcompensate like in my own personal insecurity is like oh no you guys aren't smarter than me I can get as deep into these analytics as as anybody can and then I realized that I started dreading Getting ready for this because it was much more fun to watch the game and then be like, you know what, this is dope. Now let me go find what the numbers say about this particular player or this player because you know what, the reason why we like sports is because it's cool. And somebody did something that was cool or interesting that drove me to want to go into it. Like going the other way, I think sometimes it's problematic. Yeah, it sounded like he was sort of seeing both sides, seeing the value in all of it

And at the same time being afraid of it. I'm totally afraid of it and don't see the value in it I think it's it's it it has ruined sports watching in a way Because you get extraneous information. That's too much I don't have the bandwidth to give a shit whether a running back is running 18.6 miles an hour or nineteen point four miles an hour. Well you're just cleaning up in late life the clutter that is in your mind you don't have time for those things in the attic. Right. You're just doing some house cleaning and you're like this I'm tapped out on all of this yeah I've got enough information more information is not

helpful so you're making anything that's more information you're making it extraneous. The last advancement in analytics that I condone is When baseball invented a way to sort of combine slugging percentage and on base percentage I thought that was pretty cool because that combined the guy who knows how to take a walk. Yeah Jessica's laughing through her oatmeal at the idea that that's the one that you thought was the cool one. She's snorting oatmeal. OPS. Yeah, but how do you feel about OPS Plus? Oh, it's too much.

I'm again it. How do you feel about OPP? Oat PS. I don't like that. Hey baby! Oh yeah, Billy thought he was gonna sneak that past me. I'm hip. Yeah, but you all thought that. You're hip because me. I'm hip. Yeah, but people thought that.

You're hip because you know naughty by nature. Baby! You're hip because you know something from the early 90s. Damn right I did. Yeah, you know me. It's a good song. I'll turn it up every time it's in my car. It's a good song. I'll turn it up every time it's in my car. Great song. Collaborate and listen.

That's another song I always turn up. Vanilla Ice. That's different and we should stop talking about this now. I listened to this podcast yesterday on my run and I thought they did a really good job of explaining what sort of resonates with people listening. Because there are people that are really good at incorporating analytics into their analysis and not just sort of rattling off stats

that most people just kind of tune out of because they don't really understand what they're listening to. But there's sort of different schools of thought. And for me, I think that trying to remember that most people are watching the game because they like to watch the plays and they like the players and it's very person focused

is kinda how I enjoy it and how I think most people enjoy it and then if you have a stat or something cool to back up what you're watching, that seems to be a good way to blend the two. But it's very difficult to do it well, especially to do it on the fly when you're watching a game, which is why there are certain people that are very, very good at doing that, like the color commentators of the world, not named Tom Brady. And it's a difficult, it's a very

difficult job. I think if you look at sports, there's only a certain faction of people that can look at sports in the matrix sense of zeros and ones, right? I feel like if you work for the team and your job is to figure out, all right, this guy is better than this guy because of this reason, that's when you can look at sports as just a binary set of numbers.

Everybody else should be vibes, right? Like that's what we should be doing. We should be watching the games and be like, wow, Josh Allen, I don't know how to quantify that he's 6'5", and he could just be unstoppable at running. No, I know, except when he runs- It's quantifying the 6'5's easy. Right, of course, but the he runs. It's quantifying the six fives easy. Right, of course, but the quantifying the part where,

why does he go to the left every time and then get stopped instead of going straight forward? That's the part where I'm like, all right, somebody explain to me why he just keeps going left. One of my favorite things between Billy and Tony, it's been happening since I met Tony. When Tony geeks out on sports and gets excited about sports

and makes a bunch of threes on Instagram, Billy gets there in a hurry to be like, you shouldn't be that serious about sports. Geeking out is him saying people should be about vibes? I, well no, he's just excited about what he's talking about. Tony is still excited by sports. He's just, he had a kid and he just needs to talk to someone is what's going on.

So now he has a microphone and he's like, oh to someone is what's going on that now he is a my and i don't know i'm not saying everything out on the right side so i don't know but because he's passionate about football football is one of his wheelhouses football is where he gets to unravel uh... some of his personality and what jessica's talking about she says it's hard can you in short bursts give me information and entertain me so that i want to listen when you're talking and you're not droning but you mentioned jessica schools of thought and i do believe that people do not want schools with their football unless

they're around the nl money like they don't want to think of classrooms they don't actually want to think too much about thought but that part is confusing to me because we have an industrial complex that really feeds this thing that is filled with thought so part is confusing to me because we have an industrial complex that really feeds this thing that is filled with thoughts so at the beginning stood out to my radio career one of the things that i was doing is i was talking to billy bean about money ball i was doing a lot on the air off the air

and billy bean was like sort of uh... interested in the way that mainstream media wasn't interested in the math of what it is that he was doing in a time that he was uh... you know exploiting inefficiencies in in his business model the economy of sports well but but also somebody who's doing this stuff we're talking about measurements yes like were billy beans trading for a player in the minor leagues and never sees him

play just looking at numbers on the sheet and so we're doing this to sports with fantasy and everywhere we do it where we get impatient with the Chiefs with three years of excellence Because it's like I want to analyze all this but the excellence keep entertaining me keep giving me more But Greg's saying not more numbers not more math not more information And I think Dominique is right when he's saying the best parts of sports are where Tony geeks out because somebody makes an amazing catch You don't need to quantify it. You can't quantify it. Dominique needs to name names because he's very much

dancing around, he has people in mind and he's afraid to say the names of the people he has in mind and he's dancing around it for some reason. Like who? There's some of his coworkers probably. Some of his coworkers, some of his friends, guests on this show. What's happening?

I want you to name a name. Aaron Shots. Uh, all right. Shots fired. name a name. Aaron Shots. All right. Shots fired. Shots fired. Aaron Shots fired. Go ahead and find that. If you do have that music,

executive producer at your disposal, if you're gonna do Shots fired, you could put audio, yeah, don't worry about the radio audience. They also talked on the podcast with Brian Curtis about if sports coverage, especially football's gotten better or worse, and he was like well both like you can find really good stuff in podcasts or written form or on a sub stack or whatever that like you couldn't find like

20 years ago wouldn't be in the newspaper or wouldn't be like on you know the ESPN home site but you can also find like way worse coverage like you can find the dumbest like most overly simplified or just bad coverage of a play that's just incorrect and wrong, because the access to posting that stuff's gotten a lot easier too. So I mean, there really is something out there for everyone which is maybe good and also bad if you're trying

to actually understand what you're watching. You though, I believe in terms of the people that we have here in this room, I believe in terms of the people that we have here in this room, I believe amongst all of us, maybe Tony would have an objection to this, but I believe that you care enough about this sport and being more informed about this sport because you're passionate about it, that you glide effortlessly between both of these worlds on wanting to be more informed, wanting to learn, not having the learning

spoil your enjoyment, and then gravitate toward the people who are giving you that information in the smartest and most entertaining way. I would imagine that you're doing something that not a lot of people in this room are doing where they are seeking out some of the higher, better information to go with their candy. Yeah, and even that, I wonder how much,

to even incorporate into, Lucy and I do a 25-minute college football segment. When I watch games on Saturdays, I'm always looking at Game on Paper, which is a great website, where they break down all of the different advanced stats for every college football, every FBS college football game that weekend. And I'll go back and I'll look at like what was this team's success rate?

How does this team rank here? How does this team rank there? And like sometimes it just like won't even come up. We don't have time to really talk about all of that. But you could also just look at it and be like this team like if you watch the game you might have thought like it was not a great offensive performance but the stats actually show that it was pretty good. What is like an accessible statistic you can use? Is it just something like how many times did they convert on third down? How many times did they do this or that? You can sort of find easier ways to explain it sometimes. But I even wonder how many people really care about that sort of thing or do they just want to laugh at like, look at this

funny blocked punt in this college football game? I think it's just something that everyone has to find the balance of i i would say though that one of the things that has to happen in the consumption of this information specifically in the modern age to guts because they're more avenues to your information and more menu choices than you have ever had but i think what ends up happening is that somebody either like you or believes in the way that you are chewing all of this up and regurgitating

it like perform. I understand why it is that you would be hesitant to get caught in the weeds for 75 seconds talking math in a way that is an obvious tune out, but over time people will trust that you are informed enough with the right numbers and you will change their minds on things with things that you have learned because you're being able to back it up with facts that the open-minded will then become fans of consuming football through a different person or laughs he has done this exceptionally he's changed the way the people view or laughs he he was and i know people make fun of him in the

espn and i know that he's guilty of this thing that you're accusing dominica which he doesn't want to criticize anybody in a profession where he still wants jobs which is a really hard needle the thread on how you do criticism in public you better be good at the other stuff given people you're weird given people your personality having strong opinions if you're going to have

what was his quarter quarterback credibility which is you don't know how to do this you ran out of the back of the end zone to know your expert my trust your expertise because your prep you're giving it to me in a way that's both digestible and entertaining in a way that impresses me and furthermore you don't seem to want to work in this business you seem to want to work in in football for real not off to the side in the middle of it

at that's how much you love what it is that you're watching that you're not actually being very critical of some of the people the way your colleagues are billy's afraid to Say it's Mina Is it Mean is actually the best example of like doing it all well like she can break down things really well But also just explain it like regularly and it's not like you're like what the hell is she talking about right so good I mean good for me and I'm good at it's very rare.

Dan I'm all for advanced metrics as long as someone can explain them to me in a way that I could understand that I can digest them and they have impact on what it is I'm actually watching to Greg's point. I don't need 18 miles per hour. I don't care how fast you're running. Are you scoring touchdown? Yes, I don't care how quickly

you get there. Are you scoring six points? That's all I care. And Tony is so right about the vibe. I love Tony Romo. That's how fans love football. It's a vibe big play, right? Jim. Yes, they're down here. Yeah, that fans love football. It's a vibe. Big play, right, Jim?

Yes! Yeah, that's what I'm saying to my wife. Another good example though, great vibes. He can explain what's happening on a play and he's not gonna get like super bogged down and stuff. And then he also just will say it like, he'll make a weird noise and it's funny. Yes!

He's a legend. I love Tony Romo. They tried to turn me on Tony Romo. Don't let them. Why'd they do that? Don't let the haters do that. Why'd they do that? You can't make I love Tony Romo. They tried to turn me on Tony Romo. Don't let them. Why'd they do that? Don't let the haters do that. Why'd they do that? You can't make me hate Tony Romo.

I think he's great. I will share with the audience what is happening there on a wild Billy Thursday. Billy is executive producing his own show for the six fans who find him the most uproarious because he is the most uproarious when he makes these particular jokes for the six fans who find him the most uproarious because he is the most uproarious when he makes these particular jokes for these six fans. A to B then. So A to B Billy Gill in charge of Billy Chill in charge of executive producing has just decided because

I stared at him three minutes ago and he saw the furnace in my eyes. He saw the rage in my eyes that we did not instantaneously have the Aaron Schatz Schatz Schatz music. So that is Aaron Schatz laughing. No one in the audience knows that except for three people who know that Billy's producing the show and he's Schatz fired, it's Aaron Schatz laughing. Good laugh, I assume a suey nominee.

Why can you not find in the library the shots shots shots that plays every time we have Aaron Shots on answering your fast phone calls? I don't think we got that from ESPN. I put in here Aaron Shots, Aaron Shots laugh, Aaron Shots interview but there's no shots shots. How are you spelling shots? S-C-H-A-T-Z and then I tried to misspell it a couple different ways and all I found here. Yeah. I mean, in Billy's defense, he did have the Mina Kimes sound at the ready.

And the laugh. I mean, who could forget? What Greg Cody just did there where he turned shots to shats. It spells it with an A. Probably a rough childhood for O'Aaron, right? That's your own name. Put it on the poll, please, Juju, at Leviton Show. Is it a rough childhood for you if your last name is Shat? Try Wiener on for size. I want to hear about it. Look at Billy admiring his own work there with the he came next laugh. You think he gave me the joke of my last name?

He looked very pleased with himself. I tend to recognize his look. I believe he reminded you what your last name is. Yes, I do believe that. I've been watching him do it for years. Don Lebatard. Quiet man. Yes.

I'm a married man. I don't cheat on my wife despite that gratuitous line in back in my day. Stugatz. I wish you were here my wife. I really miss her. No I don't. That's the thing about being married. You know you're not allowed to say I don't miss my wife. I've been gone two days. I haven't been gone long enough to miss my wife. I'm sorry. I call her, I'm on the phone with her for 30 seconds. You know, what am I, hello, all right. All right, we'll see ya. All right, and then, you know, I'm gonna see her in two days. I was jumping Charlie, good.

This is the Don LeVatar Show with the Stugats. ["The Stugats Show Theme"] Can you guys get for me, please, the sound yesterday from David Sampson when he was on with us because it came in today and people were arguing about it because Billy wasn't on yesterday and Jessica wasn't on yesterday but Billy was delighting in the idea that David Sampson announced to everyone listening that he himself should be in the Marlins Hall of Fame. I'm guessing David thinks he should be in the Marlins Hall of I'm guessing David thinks he should be in

the Marlins Hall of Fame. And I'm not I'm not certain he's wrong, I mean he did win a World Series esteemed president and got a ballpark opens yet. And so do I think that I should be in the first class absolutely not do I think that when you look at important figures in the history of the franchise. am I in that conversation? I don't know how to argue against that. Wow.

How about that? Hall of Fame, the Marlins invent a Hall of Fame for themselves. How about joining a hall of spending money on players? What they need is a new owner right now. And to David Sampson's credit, at least when he and Loria were running the franchise, they went, you know, they had fire sales, but they spent money. They gave, you know, Stanton a big contract. How dare you say the Marlins didn't spend money? They signed Cal Quantrill yesterday.

They are no longer the lowest spending team this off season. Why don't you go talk to the Cardinals of the Brewers, Greg Cody? How about their owners? Yeah, Amstrad is no longer running the team though, to Greg's point. Well, Samson could be in the Hall of Infamy. No, but when they got the new ballpark, David, that team did spend money. Now they didn't spend it well, but they spent money. They sold it by June. What are we doing? Revisionist history, guys. They really did. Enough time passes and anyone can look good.

It's so bad. This is crazy. Well, if you have a subheader in your wiki page that says, subsequent ballpark Time passes and we get anyone can look good. So bad. It's just crazy If you have a subheader in your wiki page that says subsequent ballpark related lawsuit Do you get well also? Yes, Rico lawsuit following the sale of the expo's that's unrelated to the Marlins I guess do you get to be in that teams Hall of Fame? I just went going off wiki header Dan and so I asked you are those convictions or those Just going off wiki header, Dan. And so I ask you, are those convictions? Are those allegations?

Like, what, are those settled? Like, I think that lawsuits, I think. OJ didn't kill anyone, technically. I don't know. I remember one time, this'll make you guys laugh. I went one time as an entrepreneurial reporter, back when you would go to a library and actually just like look through things in film,

records and stuff. And I remember because I was an intern and they had assigned me some things asking me to become a reporter when I wasn't really a reporter and didn't know how it is to go about this. And so I was looking up and found that the Miami Heat had been sued seven times. And so I'm looking at this and I'm like, okay, I've got something here. What is this? And alphabetically, right after Heat is Miami Herald.

It had been sued hundreds of times. Like I'm sitting there reporting on lawsuits. So I don't know here what is true and what is not true. I sit beyond what Jeremy is saying which is yes If enough history passes people will forget the bad things that you have done because there is no Circumstance under which anyone in this town will make an argument on behalf of David Samson for a Marlins Hall of Fame after Okay, you may not know about like the status of the lawsuit which was dismissed But you do obviously know about the ballpark deal, right yes yes but they Hall of Fame worthy they didn't do anything illegal with the ballpark

they did things that would be considered i guess business immoral but everyone investigated everything like you can't he got a ballpark built in a town that does not thank him for building that ballpark and he's not wrong they didn't want it but he's not wrong no they didn't want it and he's not wrong. They didn't want it. But he's not wrong, no they didn't want it, but he's not wrong when he says the business of baseball still exists in Miami because of that ballpark. It would be Oakland if not for that. That could be his hall of fame though, because he's never getting into the hall of fame. Like never, not even on his deathbed

will he get into the hall of fame. He's just, as a position of president of the team, he's not gonna get into the hall of fame just, as a position of president of the team, he's not gonna get into the Hall of Fame just because of his position. And he's the most infamous of them and not well liked by anyone. Billy, I think yesterday it was agreed

that it would need to be a tragic death for David Sampson for him to get in. How tragic? Like tragic. He would have to have a tragic death. He would have to personally, in order to potentially get into the Hall like in the next two years and then how long are the facts

i want to explore what greg cody just did there because uh... thank you for taking up for david samson there are great kodi said as does chris cody i like it they like him personally not as president of the more well here's the thing david samson's job in that stadium deal was to negotiate the best possible deal for his business, the Miami Marlins. It was the responsibility of the City of Miami and Miami-Dade County to protect the taxpayers and do their job by negotiating a deal that didn't be so lopsided for the Marlins. David Samson

did exactly what he was supposed to do as a club president. It was the Politicos at the time who didn't. In regards to the stadium though, because he completely turned off fan base for generations as president with on the field moves. So I would argue that he did not do what he needed to do. But you would not allow him into the Hall of Fame even if wheeled in on his deathbed just as a visitor?

Like even if? Like a paying visitor to the Hall of Fame. He can come as a visitor. He can go to the ceiling floor. He can go as a guest if he wants, if someone. Well, I don't even know if he can go as a guest. They may not have allowed him in the building. Would you be okay? I don't care.

Well, you just said not even on his deathbed that you will never get in. Not because of me, I'm not a voter. I have no say in who gets in and who doesn't. I'm just saying reality says he's not gonna get into the hall, there's four people. Billy, given that you're somebody who cares about the Marlins still in ways.

I don't have a vote. I understand that you don't have a vote, you're not as important as Greg Cody who has many Hall of Fame votes. One, three, exact. You are a big Marlins fan. And so I'm telling you, when David Sampson is on his deathbed.

Yeah, I don't know why we're doing this. That's fine, how about you just let me do the show. David Sampson is on his deathbed and he is outside the gates of the Marlins Hall of Fame because he wants to get in. Just wondering which gates he was gonna wish at. Oh jeez, a couple of them. You know the gates.

He wants to be let in as a dying wish at the end, as an act of compassion, and understanding that forgiveness is something that we should all aspire to. Aspire to, not reach. Okay, understood. I'm making you, on this one day, the gatekeeper, the one day, I'm okay with you protecting Marlin's fandom

and how the fans feel about the Marlins. Do you allow a dying David Sampson on his deathbed to be wheeled in by Gurney into the Hall of Fame as a visitor? As only a visitor. Paying or invited, yes. Like he just wants to see the hall? It's a short trip, there's only four people in it.

I know he's not going to say, I know he will not. It's a short trip, there's only four people in it. I know he's not going to say, I know he will not say that he will allow him to be in the Hall of Fame enshrined, right? Or would you? What? Tony was talking in my ear. What are you asking me? Would you be okay with him enshrined

in the Hall of Fame for the Marlins? Okay, so the only way you will allow him in is with a paying ticket on his deathbed. Possibly, maybe. We'll see will allow him in is with a paying ticket on his deathbed possibly Maybe we'll see how long off is this How long would you like it to be? He takes it seriously there yeah I'm not taking this question lightly right it took what 30 something years to even come into existence Yeah, every other team has a willy-nilly Hall of Fame the Red Sox, the Cardinals, exactly right. What's ridiculous about it? One Hall of Fame, that's it. The major

one. If you can't get into that, you don't belong to the others. Are you okay with the class for the Marlins Hall of Fame? The first class. Wait a minute, what do you mean? You love the Marlins. I mean, I don't want to talk about the Marlins first class Oh, it's a great class. I'm wondering why Eric Greg's not in it That's why he was just setting up that joke And Conan is the first person in his That's a funny thing to put in the Marlins Hall of Fame because I would also put in that Hall of Fame the Roy Halliday thing, he threw a perfect game against us

and we sold the ticket stubs afterward for profit. Another David Sampson original, this is a good Hall of Fame. Thank you. I found a column that says, it's from the Tampa Bay Times, it says Greg Cody, colon, Loria must sell Marlins to Alissa Cheer and then in paragraph two it says you thought the death of Fidel Castro was celebrated down here the departure of Loria might run a close second. I did write that I remember. But now Sampson deserves to be

in the Hall of Fame because he saved baseball. No because Greg likes him. First of all I never said he deserves to be in the hall of fame but he was largely responsible for the new stadium uh... and if you say that was a good thing at the time it was a good thing for them for the marlins and for baseball fans did you say that at the time yeah i'm jeffrey loria actually

he got along with me because i was one of the few people in the media who supported that deal for the Marlins and for baseball fans while acknowledging it was a terrible deal for the city of Miami, but I never blamed Samson for getting the best deal that he could. That was his job. And it was an elected official's job to protect the citizens and the taxpayers. They didn't do their job. David Samson did his job and if i'm inducting uh... a club president into the marlins hall of

fame i would put samson in before i put derrick jeter i'll tell you that well yeah i mean well that's all that's fair okay but but i i think the average fan would go to derrick jeter uh... superstar we hate samson samson did a better job as club president and jeter did gregg i'll just flatly say it david samson belongs in the marlins hall of fame it's not the hall of did a better job as club president than Jeter did. Greg, I'll just flatly say it. David Samson belongs in the Marlins Hall of Fame. It's not the Hall of Did a Better Job. Exactly right. None of the presidents have been great.

I mean, he got a stadium and that's his legacy. The stadium's his legacy. They got their two managers in there. That's good enough. The thing that I would say about Greg Cody and Billy Corbin has been making fun of Greg Cody about this particular thing for years because Jeremy you would indeed be wrong. Greg Cody was very much

for the idea of bilking a very poor region so that Greg Cody would have a place to park for free and go up to the press box and have free media hot dogs and he wanted the taxpayers to pay for what is good for greg cody in the business of greg cody and sports of greg cody we all vote with our own interests and greg cody was very publicly rooting for david samson uh... because it was good for business down here in south florida as opposed to jessica who's bad for the business of uh... of just sports and football because nick wright says she's a doofus you were voting for you there greg cody greg cody billy corbin and you do not

get along and you have you don't like billy corbin he's a jackass he can be in his animus toward me and in other ways he's got some jackass in him and don't put words in my mouth what i'm saying is it's David Sampson's job to get a stadium built and to make the best financial deal he could and he did it's not David Sampson's responsibility to protect the taxpayers elected officials are supposed to do that they didn't do their job yet but when you argue that the city's editorial board being very pro a stadium does actually matter in this sort of like support of its constituents and readers I don't

recall what the Herald's editorial board it was very positive about this I was just reading a blog post okay some of their as were you as were you throughout was yeah and and I don't recall from and I don't recorrel from that. I don't recorrel from that at all. The taxpayers have elected officials to represent them. Those are the ones to blame. My whole point is I don't blame the Marlins for doing the best job they could to get a financially good deal for themselves. They did a great job. David was just doing his job. It's exactly right. And now his job is to negotiate against me. And now we're saying as collective Marlins fans in the room that he did his job but that is not Hall of Fame worthy. Yeah it's not the do your job of fame. I think Billy made a good

point. If all your legacy is is that you got a stadium built and that arguably that stadium saved baseball in South Florida That's a pretty good legacy. That's fine. And by the way, like one Super Bowl one World Series one World Series title Yeah, right regardless of how many people in the neighborhood were negatively impacted by it. Okay, let's blame the politicians for that We do there's plenty of blame to go around during the small okay i really i mean i was like seven when this happened and i didn't live in miami i'm just trying to make the argument for it doesn't belong in the hall of fame okay so so

the billy corbyn's of the world think to themselves you know what david samson businessman should have been a philanthropist on the on the part of the people of miami and said hey city commissioners this deals to lopsided for the marlins you've got to do a bit we we've got to give you more money we're gonna make the

deal better for you no that was the politicians job and they failed and to this day i don't okay but let's let's like stretch this out a little bit do you not put any personal blame on any business person or oligarch who gets away with fleecing people out of money just because an elected official gives them the power to do that? I do. David Sampson out of the equation, because we all know him personally. Like, that's, I think a sort of a ridiculous stance to take that you should just expect everyone to be as selfish and greedy as possible and if people elected to go in power, let them do it, well you can't blame them for it.

Well I can and do. I blame the politicians in this case. A lot of them got recalled or voted out of office. The rich people who take advantage of the fact that they can influence power with their money. And they can. And they can, and they should, but the firewall is supposed to be the elected officials, okay? If you can blame Big Pharma because you're paying outrageous money for a medication,

that doesn't start with Big Pharma, that starts with the politicians allowing it. If you're running, you know, and a president know and and a president we live in a capitalistic society where money can exert influence over elected officials that when people election i don't like playing out currently in washington yeah so but if you're the president of a baseball club in any era your job is uh... is to get a stadium built and strike the best deal that you

can i don't understand uh... you don't have to Your job is to get a stadium built and strike the best deal that you can. I don't understand, you don't have to be an evangelist for the people. I think no matter what, anyone in any private sector, they're trying to get the best deal for themselves and in some parts of the private sector, no matter whether they're providing what we would view as a public good or not, right? Having a baseball team in your town, public good, to an extent, but when you're in the private sector, no matter whether they're providing what we would view as a public good or not, right?

Having a baseball team in your town, public good to an extent. But when you're in the private sector and you're trying to get that best deal for yourself and yourself alone, that's where we start to kind of blur those lines between what's okay, what's not morally, not morally. You're right, David Samson's job.

Make the most money I can, get the best deal for me and my fellow people who are financially involved, and move on. But to be in the position to sort of just write that off as, eh, that's what he's supposed to do, and then make that the case for him to be in a Hall of Fame is an interesting one. In fairness, it's only been 13 years.

It could still revitalize Little Havana. The name of the podcast is nothing personal Interesting one. In fairness, it's only been 13 years. It could still revitalize Little Havana. The name of the podcast is nothing personal because he prides himself on business not being this kind of personal. Stugatz, I was surprised, and perhaps I shouldn't have been, that the other day I got aggregated on some of the reporting that I was talking about as it related to the Durant that I was talking about as it related to the Durant and Miami Heat stuff. And it was specifically about Ishbia, the owner of the Suns and how it is that he is a nightmare. I thought that that was the most common of knowledge.

I thought people understood in no uncertain terms that the owner of the Suns was running the Suns in a way that made it pretty obvious that it was his toy. Different Suns than the way that the owner of the J was uh... running the sons in a way that made it pretty obvious that it was his toy different sons in the way that the order of the jets did it but that i thought you guys all understood and everyone knew that ish via was being metal some owner guy and because he has the money in the power he's allowed to be he can be and we can object to it but it won't change the fact that the money

in the power gets to runs the run those teams the way they want. So you thought it was common knowledge and you're wondering why it is you got aggregated. Was it not something that was- I'm with you. I'm totally with you. That everyone already knew? Does it feel like a little bit of inside baseball? Because we had the episode with PTFO where he was talking about how he had the leaked

phone calls with kind of painting ishby on a bad light So it feels like us internally here at metal arc have seen the the happenings of Matt Ishby and been like oh, maybe Well, the Pablo Torrey finds out episode goes and does a deep dive on like the mortgage industry and basically how it is that He and Dan Gilbert hate each other and how it is that they got rich But it nobody can be surprised that Ischria would want to be like Dan Gilbert while fighting Dan Gilbert when you've made your money at the top of the mortgage game and just like and given what the housing problem is in this country. A big one! Hey folks it's Mike Ryan it is big game week and I've got just the thing to make your big game time a Miller time.

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