The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Submarining is Safe, As Long As You Know It’s Dangerous

Episode Date: June 21, 2023

We have an expert's comment on the lost submersible near the Titanic: Cardi B. Then, it's time another expert. David Marquet, retired U.S. Navy Submarine captain and author of “Turn The Ship Around,” joins the show. Marquet explains the biggest factors to grapple with in this story and the decision making that needs to be made around the rescue, the specific danger the passengers face, and the differences between how this sub and a Navy sub operate. He also explains the safety behind submarining and questions whether or not this specific rescue mission is worth it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. This is the Dunluba Tarshou with the StugatSpotCas. I am looking at a picture that JJ Reddick has put out of JJ Reddick's sitting next to Victor Wembañama. JJ Reddick is 6'4". JJ Reddick looks cartoonishly the way that Amin El Hassan looked Photoshop next to Antonio Davis, the way that Billy looked Photoshop next to Derek Henry an NBA player next to Victor Wambunyama looks like a tiny tiny person just so that you understand in the room here JJ Ratic is taller than anyone who works here not true you're not six four

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Yeah. It confuses me. You just sit around and do what you want to do. It's a tough match. Really? You guys are confused by Crabbs. Tommas, Matt. Really? You guys are confused. I've watched YouTube videos.

I've never actually gone to a casino to play it because I'm intimidated by it. I've watched YouTube videos about it and I still don't understand what I was doing if I were at a crappiness table. You could lose your money very quickly there, quicker than most tables, and you can make a lot very quickly.

It sounds like something I would love. Like, it sounds like a game that I would enjoy playing and I just don't get it. It's the best game when it's cooking. There's no better gambling game than a hot table. Cough, crap. Crap's table. There's just nothing better.

Put it on the poll at Lebitard show, is there anything better than a hot crap's table? Shadow Divers is the name of the book I was telling you about that I read 20 years ago about the difficulties in diving and sea exploration and the bends. I just, I'd recommend it because it's one of the better books I've read on any subject. I really enjoyed it. But we are talking to an expert here, a Navy submarine expert at the end of this hour to find out what is happening with this submersive

and get more informed than we are about this subject. A Navy submarine expert has to hate this vessel, right? Like there's no way that a Navy submarine expert thinks that a vessel that's run by a video game controller is a good idea. I think we're going to get more expertise than we have on this subject matter. I have the most expertise and I have heard that the technology of the PS3 controller actually isn't the most startling thing about this. That's actually fairly common for it to be a simple piece of technology that steers a submersible. I'm curious what the expert that you're talking about things but he's probably agreeing with me or wrong if he disagrees. So.

You fancy yourself the greatest of the Titanic experts. I want to have a quiz off with you and Mike Ryan because Mike Ryan for two days has been saying that we don't need any other i thought he's on titanic stuff that he's the world's authority on titanic information is it the uh... the lights from camping world no like to camp in world would alarm me the i can't believe that that can sustain the pressure you know what it probably can't because that was what one of the lawsuits was

about and i do want to retract something i said in the local hour which is that i wouldn't trust equipment bought at a company that sponsors a bowl game. Because I remember Lockheed Martin sponsors a bowl game. And I feel like their equipment is the equipment that's probably saving the submarine now. So, you know, sponsors. The armed forces. Yeah, I feel like the products I use exclusively

promote bowl games. Yeah, I feel like I don't know. I do your bad boy, Moorgas. Do anything that not a smeltable bowl game. Yeah, yeah, I feel likeaires that's missing on the water from that submarine ship. One of the billionaires, they stepson, is at a concert, right? I blink when I do two concerts and people say, um, well, what is he supposed to do? Be sad at the house. Is he supposed to go look yourself. Yes, you're supposed to be at the house sad. You're supposed to be crying for me. You're supposed to be right next to the phone waiting to

hear any updates about me. You're supposed to be constantly your mom and shit. I isn't sad that you are whole family and billionaire and nobody gives a bunch of like you like you missing and mother of a bitch to shake dicks at concert. That's crazy. I'm gonna be broke. I'm gonna be broke then like and poor but knowing that I'm love like The steps on upset billionaire was indeed saying his father would want him to go enjoy the blink 182 concert Why is Cardi B being held by some sort of cartoon skeleton? Well, it's not a skeleton because it has a skin in the muscles. It's a muscular vascular system.

Is that what it's called? Yeah. Any anatomy majors in here? They had that at Sons of Place once, the human anatomy. Yeah, the body's... I saw it at the tropic anus. I love your real bodies. I know. But it has eyes and teeth. Yeah.

So that's interesting. And he blinks too. And he's got a very devious look. Ooh, maybe it's because Blink 182 is why she did it. Salted it. Did you hear that Courtney's pregnant? Hey, so one of the billionaires that's missing. I don't know why Lewis did that.

He thought he had comedic time in Quimpilli. He does not. Lewis, please don't play video when you're not asked to play video. I still don't think the audience knows what that skeleton thing is that you guys. It's a filter. Dan, make your own top five list of things that make you feel old. We all know what it's like.

We already covered this. That's very clearly a TikTok filter, unless you actually think she exhumed one of the bodies from the bodies exhibit in Vegas. But why is she doing that while giving commentary on the submersive? I would also shake dick at blink when 82 because turnsell is opening and that's a bill. That's a once in a lifetime bill. I would shake so much dick at that concert.

I went to a blink when 82 concert maybe 10 years ago, which I feel like was their first reunion in the last concert ever. Yes, I was at the same tour. Really? Did you go to the one in West Palm Beach? No, I went to one in Chicago and everyone I was with got drinking tickets except me. Was that the one where Travis was on the roller of the same tour. Really? Did you go to the one in West Palm Beach? No, I went to one in Chicago and everyone I was with got drinking tickets except me.

Was that the one where Travis was on the rollercoaster drum set? I don't, yes, I think it was. It was upside down drumming, Dan. It was the weirdest thing. It was kind of a weird show. I was so bothered by the Courtney Kardashian thing. Really?

Because she said Travis on pregnant and she was showing for several months. Well, it was just for us. It's not for Travis. It was a call-up assigned saying Travis on pregnant and she was showing for several months. Like it was just for us, it's not for Travis. It was a call up a sign saying everybody on pregnant. It was a call back to one of their music videos where some of the crowd held up a sign to Travis on pregnant.

Okay, but she's just doing that to tell everybody else. But it's just a very look-a-me-lui thing. It's weird. She's a celebrity. Not like no. Yeah. And did she consider how Lord B Bizx would consider any of this? Mm, none of his business.

Do you think that she drew it up on a cardboard cut out by herself? They have people for that. Nope, they, I saw pictures of her doing it. I'm sure you did, boy. Yeah. You're grabbed the sharpie, making it look like you're going to go to your place.

No, she came in and like maybe like crossed a tee. The only thing that could have made these two, these, this tragedy of the titanic submersible more in French and pop culture would be if the stepson was at a Tom Sandeball concert and saying that that's where his stepfather wanted to be. It's a Fender Pump joke, Dan. I think I would hold in a far the entirety

of my time in this sub. I probably would have perished already from constipation just because I don't want to fart around people, it's not something that I do. How do you think that's going? Seeing how that bathroom situation was, because we're like, three days in now or something, they obviously have all had to go to the bathroom, but you don't want a food down there? They might be drinking the pee. I hope not.

They do go. They do go down with a certain amount of items. They don't generally use the bathroom. I was actually reading a Simpson writer's account of having done it because the Simpson people make so much money that they can afford things like this and he said, I think it's Mike Reese's his name, he said that nobody used the bathroom in the 10 hours or whatever it took to get up and down. Do you think the steps on screamed where are you without irony? Hola, alguien me escucha, necesito ayuda. Estoy en Barcelona y las criaturas están por todas partes. A raíz, bluque, a raíz. Escucheis lo que escuchéis, tapados los ojos. La calle vamos todos a cieras, pero lo más aterradores no saber en qué confiar.

Uy de las personas que os piden que mireis, si queréis seguir convido. Did not have one really let's walk through your phone history. What kind of I never had a motorway racer. I did not have a motorway first phone. Oh Telegraph machine after that the motor roller razor Dan was the one that was like really really thin that it flipped over But it was like as thin as like a razor blade. That's why they called it the razor. What is a telegraph machine? I don't know they had one in Down nabby still got the Titanic stop has sunken stop John take a bastard stop What is a telegraph machine? I don't know, they had one in Down Naby. Stugats! The Titanic stop has sunk in and stopped. John take a bath to a stop.

It's missing, stop! You think that was my phone? You think that my first phone was the Titanic's emergency signal. This is the Dan Lebathar show with the Stugats. David Marquette is a retired Navy submarine captain. He's the author of Turn the Ship Around, a true story of turning followers into leaders. Thank you for your expertise here. Thank you for making the time for us. Before I ask you any of the questions I have and I have many.

What are the questions that you have right now as an observer of this story as the world has been captivated by what is happening with this submersive that went down to as a tourist attraction to check out the Titanic and now can't be found and there are reports that there are pinging sounds but we don't know who's alive. So what are the questions you have and thank you for joining us, David? Yeah, well, I have two two kind of sets of thoughts about this. One is about the immediacy of the rescue and the recovery and they're either going to be recovered or they're not and we're all it's all going to play out in the next 24 to 48 hours because that's really all the oxygen that they have left.

But when I step back and think about it, the kind of things I'm thinking about are what are the roles of these highly innovative, experimental, pushing the edge of what's possible with the laws of physics in human, advancing human endeavors, and if the company is going to not do the normal certification and regulation path with they chose not to do because they want to be very innovative and fast moving, then what is the obligation on society to then come to their rescue? And how much money are we going to spend saving these people and wouldn't that money at some point be better spent providing fresh water, mosquito netting, vaccinations, and things that will save people's lives

at a lower cost. I think those are the things we're going to eventually have to grapple with. Okay, the micro, the macro just was felt a little unfeeling for the present predicament but I understand why you're looking at the macro ocean gate was warned of potential for catastrophic problems with titanic mission experts inside and outside of the company warned of potential dangers and urged the company to undergo a certification process explained to me how dangerous what they're doing is for someone who doesn't understand. This is extremely dangerous. The pressure down there is 380 times what we feel here at the atmosphere. Now, you might think a spaceship going into space, oh, it's got to deal with the difference in pressure.

That's simply one atmosphere. One inside the spaceship, zero outside. It gets a little pinhole leak in the airs rushing out. This is 380 times that. The slightest flaw, like for example, this thing is a carbon fiber tube with two titanium end bells bolted on. The slightest flaw, crack because maybe it's gone up and down and up and down. There've been some kind of fatigue crack in either the metal. Now titanium is very resilient, which is why we use this. Or the carbon fiber, or the junction, where one meets the other, or bolts, got a little bit loose, or a little fitting. It's just got a tiny, tiny little hole because of rust or corrosion. That, 380 times atmospheric pressure is going to come

rushing in there. Nature doesn't care. It's pressing on all sides of this thing and any little defect will be exploited in a sense. You've been 300 times the atmospheric pressure down there, correct? You've experienced that. Can you tell me how claustrophobic that is or what we're talking about there? Actually, no. In our submarines, we don't have a need to go that deep. Our submarines aren't designed to go that deep.

They're 10 times deeper than we would go in our submarines. As a person though, you don't really feel the pressure. It's not like being on an airplane. You're sitting in, but you do feel very claustrophobic. You're in there with four of your best friends and it's uncomfortable. There are no seats. You're exhaling with four of your best friends, and it's uncomfortable. There are no seats. You're exhaling, carbon dioxide,

you're inhaling, oxygen. The oxygen levels are starting to go down. You're starting to get headaches. The carbon dioxide levels are building up. You're poisoning yourself in essence. You're getting headaches, the nausea, confusion, and finally, you'll, asphyxiation and poisoning from carbon dioxide. So it's not comfortable at all.

There's a little tiny, basically they have a baggy for a toilet behind a curtain, and they turn the music up when someone goes and needs to go to the bathroom. Hey, David, it's Mike. Say they actually locate this submarine here in the next couple of hours. Then what? Do they have any way to actually bring it up because that process seems even more complicated than trying to locate the thing? Yeah, you're right, but we there is a system, the US Navy has a system design almost exactly for this. And what it is, it's a long cable and a big giant spool and it's designed to be taken apart

into different parts where it fits on these big C-17 airplanes those it normally lives in San Diego they've been sent and they've arrived in Newfoundland and they'll take that and do a temporary mount on one of these big oil well servicing chips that can then drive it out and be standing by in the location. But the problem is you drop this cable, you got to get that hook onto the submarine, and so that's probably one of those remotely operated vehicles with an arm can do that. But that's still pretty dicey because currents are moving things around, the hook is swaying, it's two and a half miles now. But we got to find them first. Otherwise, we don't get to, we don't even get the step to what you make of the

sounds being heard or reported about that they are hearing tapping down there. What does that mean? Is it them? Yeah, it's possible. The oceans are noisy. There's whales, there's shrimp, there's waves, there's other ships passing by. So we're trying to sort out what could be from them and what's just all the rest of this noise.

When we hear something, like bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, that's man-made. Fish generally make metal on metal sounds like that. So it's possible to them. the ROB went over there. So now we're looking at a much smaller area. But we really can't see much. It's pitch black, the ROB's got lights, cameras. Someone's looking at a screen up on a ship driving around, trying to drive back and forth in a pattern,

and see if they can see anything. We didn't see anything. So we're sort of back to square one. Would you ever go down in that thing? No, a couple reasons. One is if you think about exploration and crossing a continent or going up a mountain, for me, there's a lot of physical, there's physical ever, physical stamina, exploration here. I'm not trying to detract from what these people are doing, but it's really more about the vessel than the people.

If you can just tolerate sitting uncomfortably for eight hours, then you just take a ride. So, for me, that's not that interesting. And then visiting the Titanic, it doesn't have, I mean, it's a graveyard for 1500 people. It doesn't really have a draw for me. How about the idea that the certification for this is not something that you would advise, period? Like, this is, would you advise this for anybody? People got to make their own decisions and how they want to live their life. And, but I think there are risk mitigating techniques that can be used to reduce the risk of something like this. For example, instead of just going out and going deep, going out and sending it deep

and then bringing it back without any people on board, or going out and just going in shallow water, just going down for 100 feet, and making sure everything works, and then coming back up, and then loading all of it with just a pilot, and then coming back up, load everybody, and then go down. So I think there are some, like, in the Navy, we've learned over a long period of time,

how to mitigate risk so that when we finally do go out and do these risky operations, we've done everything possible to find all possible problems and get rid of them before we go out there. Does it seem to you like this company oceangate did that given some of the details that have come out in lawsuits and other news reports since this accident happened? Yeah, I don't see evidence in the timeline and the way they've talked about it, that they have done the kind of things that we would do on the nuclear submarine before. We would go to sea, that doesn't mean they didn't do them.

It's just I haven't seen any evidence in terms of the way the CEO talks about it or the timeline for these tourists as I sign up and go out. What do you make of the PS3 controller aspect of it? I've seen a lot of debate on social media from people saying that I would never get on a submarine that's controlled by a PS3 controller, and then the rebuttal to that being like, well, it's a pretty simple technology. Maybe you'd be surprised that similar technology exists on other craft as well. Yeah. I mean, there's billions of dollars being spent in the gaming industry. And so they're

making advances in these areas, and a lot of these areas like the human machine interface faster than it's going on in the military. I don't really have a problem with using a $35 controller and not a $35,000 controller, if you have four of them on the submarine, because that controller is not designed to be so robust, it's going to work in all conditions all the time. And if you really need to rely on it, then you need four of them. It doesn't work. Unplug it, plug in the next one, kind of a thing. So when we build a submarine, if we need one, we put on two, we need two, we put on three, it's always about redundancies, backups, and having alternate plans.

Given what you know, explain to me the differences between this vessel and a vessel that you have used, the submarine properly trained by the military to endure conditions not this deep. So, first of all, we have a nuclear reactor, which has a lot of power. We have a giant propeller, so we lead fort on our own power, drive out to see, go deep, where the, quote, bad guys don't know where we are. And within a matter of days, we can be anywhere, anywhere in the world.

This is a submersible has needs to be towed out by a mothership and it has little propellers that can then maneuver it down to the Titanic and come back. This is designed to go underwater for maybe a half a day, a few hours, maybe a couple days. We're underwater for 36, the 90 day. I was underwater once for 87 days. So it's a much bigger program. We have 130, 140 people. It doesn't feel claustrophobic to us, but fundamentally, you're operating a machine in the corrosive pressure of the ocean. And we always would say, sub-arranging a safe as long as you remember it's a dangerous. Well, you say that, but David, this thing sounds like you're looking at it and saying this is total insanity

that these people were doing this, that anyone was profiting off it or anyone was even trying it. Yeah, but Dan, I look at a lot of things that people do. I look at people, a guy climbed the face of the eye here in three hours. That's total insanity. People drive an F1 car, 200 miles.

I'm not sure I can judge for that. They're very safe these days. Yeah, I got it. I got it. They got to choose. And I appreciate from the human race, from the level of the human race, we need people who are willing to go out and do things before they're 100% safe, or we never go, we never get to the second valley. David, stay there for a second. I've got a thousand more questions, please. I'm going to come back with you after this. Dan Lebertard. I just heard a song that had Frank Sinatra singing from the window to the wall to the swat drop off my balls. Two guts. The window to the walls. To the sweat drops down my balls.

So what I'm saying here. All these females crossing and all skits, kid god damn. Old blue eyes. Congratulations on your suing on the nation. This is the Danlebatar Show with this two cats. MUSIC David, I want to go back to the very first question that you talked about in the macro,

which is, should we be spending any of this money to save these people? I have not heard that coldness anywhere, but I understand it. And what is this cost? Let's start there. What is a rescue mission like this cost? Yeah, I don't know, Dan, I don't know if it's cold. I mean, we got to make hard decisions in life.

You got one heart, two patients. It's not cold to make a decision. It's, we're saving one. So in our brains, humans often neglect what we call the opportunity cost. So the money that we're if we're spending money here, what are we not spending it on? This is a very costly mission. There have been three, four, five airplanes out there flying since Sunday, the Navios flown this equipment out there. Now at the same time that's what we do. We have Coast Guard and that's what these people are designed to do. It's good. Just from a cold calculating point of view, it's good to exercise the system. It's good to load it up and check it out and make sure can we talk to the right people in the right places on the right commercial companies. Do we have a map? Do we know where these ships are at any one time

with something happens? Let's say tomorrow it happens with an American submarine. Well, we've got the system in place to, it'll help in the future. So I don't think we should spend no money, but at some point, and it'll probably be once, we're pretty sure that the oxygen runs out, is we got to decide

how much are we going to spend because we're not spending it on other things. What do you think right now is happening down there? Like do you have just can your expertise lend any additional insight to us when you're talking about it can be anything if one crack this is not intended to be down there for multiple days. So it would appear based on your expertise and what you're saying that it would be extremely unlikely for, for them to be able to survive where we already are. Never mind where we'll be 18 hours from now. Generally, the problem occurs when you're increasing pressure when you are changing system

conditions. Once you get down there and everything is stabilized, I'm not worried that the things are going to sort of suddenly rupture. Now that it's down there for three or four days, I think that's probably okay. It's an astatic situation. What I worry about was during that hour, 45 minutes, it's making that descent, the pressure is gradually increasing and it hasn't gone that deep in a long time. So now there's some component of it. There's a fitting. There's something that

wasn't quite connected quite right. And we get to certain pressure, pop it, it breaks loose, and then the vessel floods and it's game over. Let's say everything's still intact. These are people who have gone down there with no training. Can they still be alive? Yeah, they're basically passengers. I don't think there's a lot of training that you need. The only thing that really need to do is bang on the side and try and minimize the breathing so they extend their oxygen as long as possible. The people who are down there are not naive people.

There's the CEO, the company, a couple of billionaires who've done this exploration before, the French pilot who's been down to the Titanic three times. These people are not, they're not just, they're not like tourists like, hey, we like the dumb guy with a hat. Like, these people know what they're doing. So they would not be susceptible to panic. So I'm confident that if they're still alive, they're doing everything they can. What is there to see on the Titanic the fourth time that you missed the first three? Well, here's what they're trying to do. They're saying, look, if we can study the Titanic, we're going to see how it how fast it it corrodes away, what's attacking it, that it corrods away what's attacking it. We can get a sense of how warming is affecting the oceans

and the organisms in the ocean, and that's laudable. But in order to fund that, what we're gonna do is we're gonna piggyback it by sending some rich people down. We're gonna charge them $250,000 each. And that tourism industry will then support the development and the building of vessels that the scientists can use. So it's a good cause. What would be your certification process for something like this? Certification starts with design. Do you have the systems in place?

Has the thing been tested? What computer models have we sent through the thing? Then, do you take it to operations? How are we operating it? Not so much the tours that are just writing for the day, but the people around it. What's the operational schedule look like? If we have it in port all winter because the weather is bad, when the first day of good weather breaks, what do we do? We did test everything at the pier. Then we're going to go in shallow water. We'll test it in the bay.

Then we're going to go in deep water with nobody on it. What are those programs that we're going to do and then lay that out? Let somebody else check your, like improve your thinking, make it better. But these guys, again, it's a commercial entity. So all those things cost money. The more time you have the submarine that you're not using it for revenue generating tourist trips, it's like an airplane sitting at the gate.

It's not making money. David, I just wanna know what you're telling your fellow submarine captains about this in the most honest moments. Are you saying what is wrong with these bad shit crazy people now we don't say that but we we're we're like yeah they're dead uh... because i i'm looking at this you respect the ocean you were so you you just you just got done saying

do you understand how dangerous this is? Like every time you go underwater without the capacity to breathe for yourself, you understand how dangerous it is. And this, it seems to me, I don't wanna put words in your mouth, that this kind of exploration, why you think it a worthy cause, you also think that this is a bit foolhardy because it's almost impossible to guarantee it,

those depths that we have the human equipment to know what we're doing. Yeah, and I think full hearty is a little strong, but for example, the company, after the accident happened, the company's running around, they're claiming they're not getting responses from the good governments aren't helping as much as they could Which I'm not sure about but look you're four years too late sending that email you figure all that out before

You figure that out when you're sitting at the pier and the sun is shining not when your ship is 13,000 feet underwater and And so I think there things that we could have done better the company could do better to these kind of risks. Is there an element of this story that has shocked you the most? This may sound uncaring warning. The thing that shocked me the most is how much interest there is. We have five people in a submarine. Meantime, two years ago, we had 50 people in an Indonesian submarine lost. All of them died. We have 500 people on a migrant

ship trying to get the Europe sank probably dead. But I've been on the news 30 times in the last 24 hours. There just seems to be a whole lot of interest. And I don't know if it's a Titanic or oh, we got a couple billionaires or people pushing the edge of the envelope, but they're just unbelievable. All of the world, there's just unbelievable interest in the story. Thank you, David. I appreciate your time, sir. Dan, thanks so much.

Try and make me look smart. All right. It will not be hard. One of the things that he said there, because for this to be the most shocking part of it that all of us are suddenly interested in this somebody writes in to me dan is so woefully out of touch with the common man and doesn't know it nothing about paying two hundred fifty k to take a sub to see the titanic wreckage is relatable and most people aren't seeing their vacation fears realize

when they hear about this story wait did you say that? no I did not say that of course I did not say that that was like dang he's right I think we can all connect with the idea of oxygen running out of being lost at sea I think the reason this is captivated everybody more he's right he's right when he talks about he said 500 people 300 people outside Pakistan trying to get

to freedom sinking at sea. Yes, that's a greater horror with more people, but anyone listening to this can be captivated by the idea of stuck with three or four other people at the bottom of the sea and air is running out. And that's not final, even though he's saying, yeah, they're dead. It's not final. We're imagining they're still alive,. Rolling Stone is reporting pinging sounds, and we're hoping.

I don't think Peter Travers is on the beat. I think they probably aggregated that story. Yeah, Rolling Stone is in who I do first. It came from like a military memo. I think there's a few things that play because I think the last point that he made is extremely important in terms of things that we render newsworthy, like we being the media.

There has been so much time and attention spent on this missing submersible because I think it scratches an itch that a lot of people are genuinely curious and mystified about. These are people that have decided to put their lives at extreme risk to do something that they did not have to do. This isn't a life or death situation you have to go on this vessel. They are doing it because they can, because they have the money to do it. They're putting themselves at risk for it. And it involves one of the most iconic things of the last century, which is an unsinkable ship, the Titanic, something that there's been one of the highest grossing movies in history. That's still claiming lives. A human interest element in that, which he mentioned,

and then there's also the aspect of like, none of us could ever do this even if we wanted to. And people have the amount of wealth that they can do a tourist trip to the unsinkable Titanic, just because they can. And now they're missing. It is incredibly uncommon and strange, which is I think why it's getting

so much attention right now we've been long fascinated with uh... the the titanic for several reasons it was this indestructible thing that was obviously famously destroyed and and several thousands lives lost but uh... i can't get over what a nilis that submarine captain was he was just very matter of fact about everything and he was a sub-captain, was he? A captain of the USS Nietzsche? Man, you worked a long way to set that joke on. You interrupted me, like you tried and run me like four times for that, so.

Man, you didn't take the signal well. I powered through. He said one thing though, that is something that should be on T-shirts, that he should sell, which is submarineing is safe as long as you know it's dangerous the bar that was another another bar was billionaires that he led off with and here that when you made it basically said it and it was not worth it. They're dead too. Jessica are you aware that you powered through the entire entirety of that segment, waving a tiny little plastic hand at me? It did make me feel stronger to have this in my hand actually the whole time.