The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: The Dark Web (feat. Ron Magill)

Episode Date: August 5, 2025

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This is the Don LeBattor Show with the StuGuts Podcast. I'm completely calm, even though you just did something that to me would get my heart racing. Really? You walk in, you put your hand in your bag and you pull out a signed football, and I love memorabilia. Oh, I didn't know that. And I'm a collector. But you pulled out something, and I see two things about it.

One, I see that it's a football that's a Paul Tagliabue football. So that means it's old school already, as him being commissioner. Two, I see it signed by multiple, multiple players, but it's deflated. I noticed that too, it's odd. What do we got going?

So this is, this is my holy grail right here. That's a football guy. This is a football that I've worked for the last 15 years to get these signatures. It has, it's the only football in the world ever in the history of human existence that has the top 11 NFL rushers of all time Signed on this one football. So from Walter Payton, Barry Sanders

Adrian Peterson, Frank Gore, Curtis Martin, LeDanian Thomas, Jerome Bettis, Jim Brown We were gonna guess. Yeah, okay, you can keep going, there's more. That doesn't matter. And you wanna give that away to a fan today? Oh, that's so nice of you. Slaunchered by DraftKings, we are giving this,

no, absolutely not. $1,000. Yeah, we'll start the bidding and I'm literally here. I wanted you to. Gale Sayers? Gale Sayers is not in there. Is he not a top 11? Is he ever? Did he retire too early? I believe so. And Gale Sayers? Gale Sayers is not in there. Is he not a top 11? Is he ever?

Did he retire too early? I believe so. And he just got passed? I'm thinking about expanding it. I was gonna do top 10, and it was the top 10. And I got, the first one I had was Walter Payton. I bought it at an Emmett Smith charity auction. So I bid on it, and I'm like,

oh, a Walter Payton signed football. And then I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna get Emmett to sign it. So I got Emmett to sign it there, and then it sparked. And so for 15 years, every time I go somewhere, anywhere football related, I keep it with me. And last week, I was at the AAU Junior Olympics in Track and Field.

And there was one signature I'm missing in the top 11, it was Adrian Peterson. And he walked by me because his son was running. I called my wife, I had her overnight the football, I brought it to the track meet, and had Adrian Peterson sign it, Adrian Peterson signed and now I have I don't know what I'm doing here But there's just something about top 11 that doesn't slap. Okay, so here's top 10. You gotta stop the top 10 It was top 10 it was and Jim Brown Okay, I got to the Browns. I got him but what happened between

2014 and now Frank Gore got to the top 10 I see what happened then Adrian Peterson got into the top 10. I see what happened. And then Adrian Peterson got in the top 10. And so right now I could go number 12 is Marshall Falk. I think number 13 is Marcus Allen. But you go to Tahoe, you can get all these. 14 is Edgeron James. And number 15 is Franco Harris who has passed.

So I'm half the way for Derek Henry to get top 15, and then it can get back to a better number than 11. So you're just waiting, and you carry it around, and when you see someone, you say to the person, hold on, let me call my wife. I'm gonna go quick FedEx here. If I don't have it with me. Why would you have it with you?

Because if I go to Super Bowl, if I go to, you know, Combine, if I go to the Hall of Fame game, if, you know, literally. You've got that thing on. I keep that thing on me. Exactly. You see, I reach in that bag, you better hope I'm pulling out a football. You ever tried to predict?

That's not funny. Like, you say bet. Yeah, you know, I forgot you don't like violence. Send it to Baltimore, get Derek Harrys ahead of time. I don't, I gotta do it personally. Once they make the list. They gotta make the list, and then I have to go get it myself, and with picture evidence, get the, at the center.

Have you ever gotten close to a no? Yes, Tony Dorsett's wife was pissed at the Hall of Fame. Yes, cause it was like, they were like a bunch of lines, and I'm at the Hall of Fame as a guest. They brought me there cause Joe Thomas was being inducted. Got that VIP badge. Got that VIP badge and they walked me over there and she was pissed because the Hall of Famers

make all their money off of the autograph. So you pay for the autograph, you get in the line as a process. She was cutting eyes at me. She wasn't wrong. She was like, who's this? Yeah, it was like, she was like, oh, that's so and so.

She's like, I don't give a damn it She wasn't wrong. I should have just gotten line I should have just did it that way, but she was that was the only situation where someone Tony have to step in I'll do it. Why don't you just like tell her after something? I offer to but I think it was principal at that time and again, I don't she wasn't wrong You know who the hell do I think I am? Yes baseball Hall of Fame. I didn't follow the rules Hawk Just so you know, there's a rule. No autographs.

For the baseball Hall of Famers up in Cooperstown on the weekend, it's a set rule. They go to places in the town, and from 11 to one, John Smoltz will sign. Yeah, that's it. And you stand on line, you have to buy something, but you cannot go up to a Hall of Famer, they will not sign anything, because they do make money,

but the number one question we should be asking, and you can show everybody. What's his number? Curtis Martin signed it, if you can get it on camera, but if you're listening, it's the biggest signature ever. Look at the size of that. How can you allocate that much space to one guy? I like it though, because you could totally,

like I'm all the way here through the glass and I can see it says Curtis Martin. So many guys now is just chicken scratch their autograph. Autographs suck these days. Curtis Martin, that's a great signature. It's a great signature. Taking up half the football though. What happens when you go top 15?

Where are they gonna sign it? If there's no room, they don't make it. I don't mind. Do your thing, baby. If that's your autograph, I just want the autograph. That's respectful of what Curtis Martin's doing there. I think what I'm gonna do is get top 15 and then donate it to the NFL, Pro Football Hall of Fame.

What? Yeah, I'm gonna let it slide. You got it for your kid, dude. Lame. I mean, yeah, but I could get like, What's the number? Everyone's got a number. What's your number right now?

I don't have a number right now. You got a number. Offer me right now, I'll tell you if I do I don't five dollars Okay, you are bad at guessing. I'm not with you Samson. I was trying to defend them or a mill no absolutely Also bad at this game Former NFL player says he doesn't have a number. Let's meet someone in the middle. Six dollars! That ball right now, my guess is worth about no more than ten grand. Maybe.

If I were to guess the actual value. That's probably not bad. Why would you sell it? Because it's worth way more to you to get it and then to inflate it and then put it in a case and live with it. And also give it to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. They'll put a little like Andrew Hawkins Don't mind your death. It would be my ability to get to the pro football Hall of Fame By doing that doing the sweat equity is what they call it in business if you don't know that Samson It's yeah, you don't give it. I didn't earn it, but but you're there, but I'm there

Did you shake Adrian Peterson's hand by the way? Oh same question. I did really I did It's the hardest handshake I've ever I can still feel your life You're there, but I'm there. Did you shake Adrian Peterson's hand by the way? Ooh, same question. I did. Really? It's the hardest handshake I've ever received in my entire life. I would say the majority of guys on this ball have like a very similar handshake. Really? Not Adrian Peterson.

But everyone talks about APs. Almost broke my hand. I shook some of the running back's hands. Almost broke your hand. I'm not trying to shake. He goes in for two handshakes. He gives you the first one and then he squeezes it harder to let you know you're in the first one is hard.

So you're like, oh, this is the thing I've heard about. And then he goes like deeper in. That's why you give knuckles. Pound. But also, you know, I got a firm handshake when I, you know, like I don't get it to it. The thing is when you don't know that that's on the opposite side.

You're going in with a normal handshake and then he goes to crunch and then you're like, oh. See, I feel like I wanna go in there right now and test out your handshake, but you're just gonna squeeze harder than you normally would. I'm just gonna just go ham on your hand. Hey yo. Yeah, that's crazy.

I love that piece of memorabilia. Now, did you think there's someone in Miami? What is the reason why you have it currently? Cause I live here. So you brought, no, but you brought it, you don't actually walk around with it, do you? I was excited about it. I got an autograph that I was like chasing for a while.

I sent a DAP, a DM like a year ago, like, hey, at some point, I'm going to run into you and I need to sign just so you know, giving you the heads up. And I ran into him in Texas. I'm like, it's like a relief. Because also with a lot of the older players, I mean, you don't know, life is short and people are old. And that's like what happens and players go and.

Is that your leading line? You're about to croak. No. So listen, I gotta get your head. You need that signature before you die. Is that what you did to Tony? Get that John Hancock off of you. I'd appreciate it. No, that's not what I did to Tony? Get that John Hancock off of ya. I'd appreciate it.

No, that's not what I did. Absolutely not. I don't like the way you handled it though. I don't care. It looks like you were putting your fingers That's not true. on the signatures when you were showing it. Yeah, because I'm not an actual,

like I'm not sitting outside these places to make money and go put it on eBay. Well, but you won't want it smudged It's not gonna if they won't take it. It's it's permanent ink man. There's no smudge to that. Is that true? There's like one signature smudge. So be like now we don't want this. No, that's not true Well, it'd have to be something on an unbelievable. It has to be a 101 that actually fits into their history Which this does this is a lost art form. They don't even run the ball anymore. You know how hard it is gonna be for people to get in the top 10 of rushing

from now till forever? This thing will gain value as time goes on. But you're hoping for a replacement on the list, I thought. They're coming, because Derek Henry is 600 yards away from being number 15 on the all-time list. But then that's it. Yeah, I'll stop at 15. Nobody else probably has a chance.

Maybe Saquon will be tough. Weirdly, Jonathan Taylor. But then that's it. Yeah, I'll stop at 15. Nobody else probably has a chance maybe Say qualm would be tough weirdly Jonathan Taylor kicking Franco Harris out there How long he plays but it'll be tough for any new person to get into that top 15 say Kwan has no chance It's tough his age. He'd have to probably go for 2000 for like the next like four years I think he's like 7,000 yards last time I checked. And you need to be probably in the 12,000 range. 12,000. 12,000. 12,100 is 15th right now.

You don't think Saquon has 5,000 yards in him? I don't know. Well, he's not on that council. There's a throwback. We talked about the president's executive council yesterday. Oh, is that a throwback? I thought that was recent. Well, throwback to yesterday.

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Stugats. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. This is the Dan Lebatard Show with the Stugats. Do you use propBets? No. So, a big thing is happening in the sports world. And we are a DraftKings show. We're on the DraftKings network. But stay with me, Mike, it's going to be okay.

Governor Mike DeWine in Ohio is trying to ban PropBets because he's so upset with what happened to the two guardians pitchers who are gonna be suspended for life. Do you know about Emmanuel Classe, the closer? He may have thrown a ball on purpose. Wow. That's not good. That does not sound good.

What would the equivalent in football? You gotta always talk to me in football equivalents. And war terms also, which battle? And like which pro harbor level? Bunker Hill. Pitchers throw balls on purpose all the time. Gettysburg. You can't bet on what you're gonna throw next.

That's the problem. And then do it purposely. For example, you can't, a play from scrimmage. First play of the game, will it be a run or a pass? You can bet that. What happens if the quarterback is in on it and is having people bet? Yeah, that's bad.

Fight through David. I mean, it's like what if, you know. He's trying to hold that cough. How? Because he knows what's happening. You're tearing apart at the seams, pal. Nobody knows you coughed a couple times. What happens that, what about that preemptive cough

didn't work? I'm starting to think that wasn't preemptive I'm starting to think that Sickness in him that's what I'm trying to everything's good Can we keep going please cuz when you keep going to prevent yourself from coughing and you cough That doesn't sound like you're in as much control as you're letting on you're sick. It's okay. We all get sick Yeah, I'm not sick. He's also not a big break guy either, and he busted me pretty good for going to the bathroom. We don't need to talk about that on the show,

we can just do the show. You're right. So what? Not if you can't speak. No, you scare me the way you look though. Yeah. Whoa. Wow.

Now he scares you. Now we're getting into the strong. Hold on a second. Man, I knew the racism would come at some point. It's not racism. Two, an hour and a half in. It has to do with that you're wearing a militant suit. Okay, keep going.

Now it's militant. Now it's militant. Aggressive black guy trope. Go ahead, Samson. Heard this one a million times. Do you like his hat or no? I've heard it once, I've heard it a million times from some whitey.

Whitey. You just, I just. You were about to piss off DraftKings as you were. No. Good, piss off DraftKings. I would like to compliment DraftKings because DraftKings, what they do is, and I had this conversation in Cooperstown with, look at me, David, the commissioner,

as we talked about what the gambling companies have done to actually provide integrity to the game and to make it so people get caught. To make it so you can believe in the bets you're making that it's not fixed. That people get worried about the stock market. Saying how can I be a day trader when it's possible politicians are maneuvering the market,

I'm gonna lose. We don't want that for our sports and our sports betting. So when a player is doing something that flies in the face of what's fair and gets caught, he has to be suspended for life. But what the governor's doing is going too far, banning all prop betting, meaning we don't want the temptation.

And my view has always been that I don't wanna take away anyone's temptation. And my view has always been that I don't wanna take away anyone's temptation, I wanna educate people not to give in to the temptation. Because you can't have a world, it's like an alcoholic who refuses to acknowledge that there's alcohol in the world and won't go, if there's a dinner party where someone's having a glass of wine, they won't come

because I can't be around anyone having a glass of wine. You gotta learn to live with, other people are gonna do stuff. Kind of like violence in movies. Except, yes, that's fake though. But it feels real sometimes. And I was just wondering if you had an opinion on as a player, you were a professional player.

The temptation that players feel today is something that we're trying to deal with as sports industries and leagues because it can be overwhelming when the minimum is at a number where players aren't making a lot and they have an opportunity to make a whole lot more. Like were you ever aware of any of that stuff? Who is the tough topic?

A deep enough Google search, a good old episode of Hawk Finds Gout will show you my connectivity to something like this that I don't wanna talk about. But I will say, I have been close to something similar. We'll put it that way. I mean, you're gonna make me Google in the middle of a show without you just summarizing to give your slant

on the point of view to make it sound even better than it was maybe? Although I'm tempted to speak, I've been taught to fight temptation in the instances where I don't want to, David. Because my parents did a very good job. And I'm gonna keep pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing saying, come on man. It's not gonna be as easily available.

You gotta... What, you have to have like the dark web? Not the dark web. I didn't like that. Whoa, dark web. You've never... I assume... That's where you can sell that football. Yep, there it is, dark web. You've never, I assume. That's where you can sell that football.

Yeah, there it is, dark web. There's a whole world out there. A lot of bad things happening to bad people by bad people. I assume. What is your life, bro? What is your life? I would have no way of getting on the dark web. I can barely control the apps that control my alarm system.

Yeah. I would not be able to get on the dark web. You wouldn't be able to do it? Don't do it. No. I wouldn't want to be on the dark web. Has anyone here ever been on the dark web? Or is that like a specific category of... It's a different internet. No, what are you doing there?

What are you doing over there? Wait, so... You're about to get on the Freak-o list. Be careful! I don't mean it like black Twitter. Okay. You thought it was a race issue? Like, wait, are we talking?

No, we're still not talking about the same thing. You need to be careful. We're here, Tony. All right. We're good. We're good. I've been on like Netscape Navigator before. That's, I don't know how to get on the dark web.

I really don't. I don't either. It's a process. You got to do a lot of things to try and connect to the dark web. You have to do it. What? Don't do it.

Yeah. I feel like Tony would be able to explain it. He's self-lessing. He's just saying things. I kind of asked so Tony could explain it. Yeah. You know a guy. I do know a guy.

How do I get on the dark web? Do you have to connect to something else that connects to something else? I don't know the technology of it, but I know you need to connect to a Tor thing, and then that connects to something else. It's like a different kind of ethernet? Yeah.

It's like something completely different. I believe it has to do with IP addresses, not with your ethernet cord, Tony. Like you have to unplug the regular cable ethernet cord and replug in like a dark web ethernet cord. I'm telling you, there's things that we don't understand. Juju, can we put it on the poll? Do you need a separate ethernet cord

to get on the dark web? I will defend Tony. If I did wanna get on the dark web, he'd be the only person here that I would ask Because not that he would give me advice, but he knows a guy no guy for sure But you know I don't record I'd want a hardwire if I was going like dark web You got a hard wire that Wi-Fi you it would definitely make me feel better about hard wire Like I don't want to you need the hardware and a VPN

I don't know who that is. Like, shoot it out to, like, Lithuania and then bounce it back over here. I want the hardwire because I know that when I want to disconnect from the dark web, I just unhook it. Alright, we're good. We're good. Now you guys get it. That makes sense.

I got a guy though. If you need to get on the dark web, I got a guy. The new BMO ViPorter MasterCard is your ticket to more. More perks. More points. More flights. More of all the things you want in a travel rewards card. And then some.

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Standing outside with my mouth open wide. Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. If all the raindrops were lemon drops and gum drops, oh, what a rain that would be. This is the Dan LeBattar Show with the Stugats. Well, we have our own guy. And even though that Dan is away, there is no way we were gonna go a week

without speaking to Ron McGill. I mean, why would we ever do that? Hello, Ron. Hello, David. Man, I'm telling you what. How about that Yankee sweep, my man? Hell yeah. So that Marlott's Park, baby.

That was great. I mean, I was, I'm telling you something. That was huge. Nothing gave me greater pleasure than seeing those Yankee fans become almost suicidal. Well, that, I was I'm telling you something that was huge. Nothing gave me greater pleasure than seeing those Yankee fans become almost suicidal. Well, that I said almost because I'm a Mets fan. That's a little strong, Ron.

We don't want our fans to be suicidal, but we'd like them to never win a game. That's what we would like the Yankees to leave. I wanted all Yankee fans to leave and rip off their shirts and put on Marlins shirts. That would have been a preference. It was great because I got to tell you something. I would say probably 75% of the people in that state were Yankees fans. But their money was green.

Good point. So I was totally fine with it. I actually have no vested interest in it anymore. But did you then watch the Marlins last night against the Astros? I watched the first couple of innings and that wasn't making me happy. So I switched it off. That's okay. Sandy gave up a couple runs We have a bunch of video I have to show you one and I need there's some stuff going on with animals and I keep seeing it and Ron I'm having a major problem right now in my life, among other things.

I am very confused by what's AI and what's not. Oh, are you listening? Yeah, join the club, me too. And I'm an animal expert. I see stuff online now that I know cannot be true, but looks so real, it's unbelievable. Did a whale kill someone in a boat? No.

Every other thing that's pushed to me is that a whale or a shark is jumping up into a boat and sinking the boat. Is that one of your, like, there's not scrambled. There have been occasions where whales there have been occasions where whales have breached and hit boats, yes, and there's that one real video

of the whale actually coming up while it was feeding and took in a kayaker and spit him back out. That wasn't- That was real? That was real. That was real that was real that was real yes how did he how what did do you know he made a mistake got rid of it really quickly so he burped up the person basically just spit him out yes i mean that whale's coming up the way they feed they come out from deep water and they come up and they're grabbing all kinds

of krill and plankton and things like that. All just massive amounts of that fish meal into their mouth. But of course when a guy with a kayak is much bigger than anything he's used to, that's not what he's used to and he immediately discarded it out of his mouth. It wasn't that it was intentionally trying to get that guy. It's not like, you know, jaws coming out of the bottom. Oh, I'm gonna go and snatches him.

No, that wasn't it. It was going after a lot of other things and that guy with the kayak just happened to be in the way. When do you die? disease is the wealth to bite you or do you have to be stuck in the stomach for like do you suffocate how It's not a Pinocchio type thing. You can't live in a whale stomach because the acids would kill you right away Exactly, do you talk to the rabbi about Jonah or no, that's Old Testament now It might not have been a whale and my do you just been a big fish?

Maybe the whales and Nineveh are different. Okay, back to intelligent conversation. We had was basically, you know, a whale could actually drown you, of course. That's one thing, but of course that has a massive size. It could break your neck, it could break your back, any kind of fatal injury that way. Most of those whales are what we call baleen whales.

So they don't have teeth. They just have filters in their mouth. So it's not like they can bite you and crush you know you know cut you up with teeth because they're not toothed whales those types of whales. I'm sorry to derail you but was the kayak attached to the kayak? You know how you get in and you're you're strapped in so you can roll? I'm not sure I don't think so because I think when he was spit out he was outside of the kayak. Did the kayak get spat out also? Yes. And you know the cool thing is. And the oar?

No, no, but the cool thing is the father who was in front of him continued to tape this thing. He continued to tape this thing. Instead of when the whale comes out of the water and grabs the sun, you think you would drop the recorder and go, oh my god, my son. But no, he continued to tape it. As the sun came out of the water, I was go, oh my God, my son! But no, he continued to tape it as the sun came out of the water. And I was like, oh my God, I couldn't believe it. We've got all this stuff to show you. And it didn't occur to me that this would come up, but there is a video I wanna go to

that apparently has bears doing stuff to each other. And fighting. Well, they could be loving, they could be mating. What's happening here? No, no, these are these are these are bears that are quarreling. Yes, they're quarreling either over You know a territory over food, but I think these are two young males and they're posturing it No, I want to eat these people. No, I want to eat these people. I know That's not what it is. How are these people so comfortable being close to bears that are being violent? You know the people aren't being very very intelligent, but having said that these bears are so focused on each other

They don't see anything else happening around. So there's no risk for them taking that fight to the people No, there's no reason for them to take the fight to the people. That is still dumb though. Like we can all agree on that though. That's smart. That's not smart. I'm gonna say these people. But again, listen guys, you know, this is a social media driven lack of intelligence. People wanna get shots if they think they're gonna get clicks they're gonna say, I wanna get this, I wanna get this, I wanna get this. You could die, but listen,

you could get a lot of clicks too. So. Yeah. I don't feel badly at all when people take selfies and fall off the Grand Canyon. Not even a little bit. Now look, now look, now look, now look. You know, you may feel badly about my suicide comment on Yankee Stans.

That's a big, that's a big. Not you saying you don't feel badly about people falling off cliffs? No, when you're walking contradiction. Learning that about Samson. Those people videoing the bears, like the safari one, when you're in a safari and you're videoing mating and all of a sudden

an elephant comes at you, I feel terribly when that happens that's I think we've done a top five things David doesn't feel bad when they died doing well this one These bears bear scare me Wow I've only had one encounter with a bear on it was at a campsite in Black or brown I don't know black go on Gonna be black. It's gonna be a black bear at a campsite. Plus you were at a campsite. For a lot of reasons, trust me. Colorado.

And it was- Did you find it to be hostile, David? I was frozen because I forgot. You know the things you're supposed to learn before you do anything? With a bear, there's one way where you get big and yell, there's one bear where you get small and run or something, and I didn't remember which to do

and all of my prep and training went out the window. Ron, which is it? With what bear do you get big and yell? Well, you get big and yell, that should be your first instinct with any bear, okay? Now, if a bear like a black bear comes after you, even after you get big and yell, you're gonna fight that bear.

You're gonna fight that bear because that's gonna give you the best chance Brown bear or slash grizzly bear comes at you. That's when you put your hands behind your neck get in the fetal position and play dead Mm-hmm If it's white you're never gonna be the grizzly bear It's if it's black fight back if it's brown laid down if it's white night night So if it's a black bear, what's my first move? Do I go poke in the eye? Like what would be your first move of attack?

That's true. That's true. Ask him. Cody always goes into that. No, I'm serious. Like you say fight a bear, give me. Oh punch, okay. Punch, punch. Punch what?

But I think I could get him right in the eyes though. What about like a low blow? Like a quick swift kick to the, you know. Oh, like underneath. Boom. Cup check. Huh. And listen, if it's a male guys, yeah, I'd go for the soft spot there. That's that any male mammal gets a blunt force trauma to the groin is going to feel it.

So not a dumb question. So twist the dick. Yep. Oh, my God. Yo, would you recommend a twist or a punch? You believe when a bear is coming at you that you will have the presence of mind to be accurate in what you're doing. If you have a friend with you. Nothing will spark in you to fight.

You won't have a straight up, okay, I'm either gonna die or fight back. Even if I'm still going to die, I am going to die swinging. If an elephant came at you, you'd fight the elephant? I'd try to run first as I feel him gaining on me. Then what? Turn around. Now I'm going to get agile, and when that doesn't work,

I'm just going to keep going down. You try to run up his trunk. All you got to do is hit him with a zigzag. It's a tough final thought. It is. Where's his dick? Oh my god. I'm imagining I'm distracting him.

OK, go ahead. It's really hard. I'm sorry, I'm distracting. Okay, go ahead. It's really hard. I'm sorry, but I don't believe in the real world that people would be able to perform that well under attack from an animal. I think you're wrong, Dave. I think adrenaline sometimes will make you do things that you didn't think you were capable of.

Like finding out where the groin is. I don't think Dave has adrenaline. I think the hardest thing, the hardest thing would be to play dead. I mean, when you're getting mauleduled the hardest thing to do is to play dead Yeah, you know it's hard not to scream and yell and go my god. I'm freaking dying Alright, I got another one to show them. I don't know if you've seen this, but I got a chance to play It's a video. It's a video and it's really cool. Okay. Can you show the the trunk video? What do we got here Ron? Oh my god a beehive inside the trunk!

Is that possible? Looks like the biggest beehive you've ever seen. Yes, it's not only possible, it's probable. Bees look for dark, secluded places to build their hives. So that's a perfect place. That's obviously a car that has not been driven for a long time, and it's just become this perfect little container to create a beehive.

Looks like a Disney movie. That's beautiful, I love it. I think that's great. A Disney movie. I've never seen a beehive that shape before, that it looks sideways. Great architect. Yeah, well, because they build them that way. If you were to go in, like I've seen a beehive

look just like that. When you go into like the attic of a house, I've been with beekeepers who try to remove bees that have set up shop in someone's attic, and you'll see that they actually have like these layers of cone that they build in there. It's pretty cool. And have you ever had to dismantle?

Dismantle, is that the word? Dismantle? No, no, no, no, no, no. I've never had to do it. I've been with beekeepers while they do it. I've watched them do it. I've never done it myself. They basically use smoke,

which basically tranquilizes the bees, believe it or not. You would think smoke would cause a panic, but in bees it doesn't. It tranquilizes the bees, believe it or not. You would think smoke would cause a panic, but in bees it doesn't. It tranquilizes the bees itself. We're in full gear because still you're gonna get stunned by some bees, but it's not this massive swarm attack. They seem to kind of relax a little bit. The key is to get the queen,

and when you take the queen out, they will follow the queen. How do you feel about getting a beehive right before it gets going? just when you see it start, like a wasp nest or a hornet's nest or a beehive, and going ahead and just taking a hose or a hammer and killing it and stopping it immediately? Hammer to a beehive is crazy. Quite a visual.

It's before it's become this horrible thing that could stun you. Yeah, I mean, if they're just starting, if they're just starting, yes, I would do what I can to discourage it. Now with wasps and hornets, I don't care. Those are nasty animals that can repeatedly sting you over and over.

Keep in mind, when a bee stings you, it dies. That's the last-ditch effort for survival to protect the hive is to sting. When a bee stings, it dies. A wasp can sting over and over and over again, and a hornet can do the same thing, and they do so with great pleasure Can you tell the difference between a wasp and a bee? Absolutely. I don't think I can

What? Really? You saw the two you would see it right away. They're not even the same color. Wasps are so much bigger. Yeah Not the same color? No, a wasp is like black a little more oblong Exactly, a wasp is much more... A bee is like multi-colored with yellow and it's a little more compact and then It looks like the colors can be very similar death, but a wasp is very linear It's very long and thin with long thin wings. Whereas a bee tends to be more kind of punch Okay, those don't look similar to you Hawk I'm not showing now. I thought the wasp was a bee. Yeah I mean I've never seen a

yellow wasp I'll be honest. Yeah I'm not gonna lie the wasp is a bee. You guys have you must have heard of yellow jackets before right? Yeah those are thicker though right? Aren't those like a little like triple the size? Yellow jackets are wasps okay but you see how the wings are kind of short and stubby on the on the bee and the the uh the abdomen tends to be kind of short and stubby on the bee, whereas the wasp tends to be a little bit more elongated, the wings are much more elongated. Yeah. Are we looking at the same picture here? We are, but the sizes also aren't like,

if you put up, if you put up me and Calvin Johnson and you made the sizes similar, you'd be like, oh, I can't tell the difference between those two receivers. But then when you see us in person, you'll be like, oh, there's a clear discrepancy. The coloration on a wasp is always much more vivid than on a bee the bee coloration is going to be much more muted Yeah, can a wasps nest grow inside a trunk? Yes. What about a hornet's nest? Yes Anywhere bees nest a beehive can can be established. So can a hornet in the wasp?

How did you know that was a beehive when we showed you the video and not a hornet's nest? Oh, because a beehive looks very different. It's made out of a wax, it's beeswax. Hornets and wasps' nests look like they're made out of paper. It's a different type of structure, totally different type of structure. Did any of us know that? Are we learning?

We're getting smarter now, of course. Billy, you knew this? No, I had a question for Ron. Please. Ron, last week you guys lost your 17 year old male lion, Jabari. Yes, Jabari. To euthanize him because he had medical conditions

and it was getting worse. Do you, is there like a period of mourning? Do you bring in another male lion? Like how do you handle that? And I guess does the male lion then serve a purpose beyond just, hey, look, there's a male lion, it looks different than like a female lion for zoo goers? Well, we've got no females here now.

The only one that's left is his brother Kwame. And I suspect that there'll be, you know, some internal depression with Kwame, but keep in mind that both of these lions have lived way beyond their normal lives. In the wild, male lions depression with Kwame, but keep in mind that both of these lions have lived way beyond their normal lifespan. In the wild, male lions rarely live past two, or past 12 rather. So to have him to be,

he was a month shy of being 18 years old, that's pretty remarkable. The fact of the matter is that, you know, he's been treated with a lot of different medications for this very severe spinal arthritis that he had experienced the last couple of years of his life. And it got to the point where

he could hardly get up anymore. So it was just a humane thing to do to euthanize him. Kwame is, you know, he's not far behind. I'm gonna be honest with you. Kwame is an old, old lion, but we have a commitment, you know, to provide a good home to these animals until they live out their natural life.

When it's Kwame's time, that's when we'll think about bringing in other lions. But generally speaking, male lions, especially, are not quite as social as females are. So there's not this like, oh my God, I can't live alone like this. If I were talking about a female, that would be different.

I were talking about other animals, herd animals, things like elephants. You don't want animals like that to ever be alone. Are there lion years the way there are dog years? You just said that lions live to... I guess you could break it up that way, David, but keep in mind that there's also a big difference between the lifespan of a male and a female.

In the wild, males, generally speaking, live a much shorter lifespan. Just because they're constantly fighting with each other for the privilege to be with the females, they're constantly defending territory, there's much greater stresses on them than on the females. A female lioness can easily live to be 16, 17 years old in the wild, in captivity, 22, 24 years old sometimes.

But in the wild, it's a much shorter life span. What's the purpose of being king of the jungle if you don't live a long time? I don't know. People argue, say it's quality of life as opposed to quantity of life. You're king, that's a good time. Is that why you wanna be successful? I wanna live forever. I don't know people argue say it's quality of life as opposed to quantity of life, you know your king That's it. That's a good time. We know why you want to be successful. I want to live forever

We all agree dog ears are stupid though, right? Yeah, your dog seven. That's math though But it's supposed to be informative to let you know how old they don't live. Yeah, but it depends on the breed too Like it's not linear. Hey your dog's out David David you really want to live forever if I could live forever I would. I do not want to die. Yes. 100%. Really? Yes. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if I'd ever want to do that. I mean, you know, all you'd be doing is watching everything you love die before you. And that's, that's tough, brother. That's tough. Think about it. If you had kids, I mean, I'll make new friends. The greatest pain in the world is to have to lose a child and you'd be losing

child and grandchildren and great-grandchildren, you'd be losing them all. Yes, I'm aware, but I'd still be living. Better than them than him. Better than them than me. And I want to be, I would like to be Justin Timberlake in the movie called, have you ever seen In Time? No. I have not.

But I'm not the movie mogul anymore. I know what that is, yeah. Wait, you want to be that where you have to like run if you're right. How great is that? Really stressful. It's it's very stressful But you have a time where when it runs out you die and you can get more time and everything costs time You want a pack of cigarettes? That's you know, 20 minutes if you play poker you could be playing poker where the ante is a year genuine If you play poker, you could be playing poker where the ante is a year. Genuine, like, opinion here, people who wanna live forever scare me. Yeah, I gotta be honest with you.

I'm feeling the same way, David. I think it's a little self-centered, Matt. Bunch of people that wanna die around here. There's nothing you won't do. I'm kinda with David on this. To make sure it's them, not you. Yeah, I don't wanna be 500 years old where I can't move. But yeah. He's gonna be frozen, though, guys.

I would like to live as long as possible. By the way, Ron, let me just clarify. I don't wanna be an invalid. I wanna be able to run marathons. I wanna be able to talk to you and go to zoos. At 228, you're gonna be running a marathon. But listen, David, look at the legend of Dracula. What does Dracula despise?

He despised the curse that he can't die. He's in his prime the whole time, right? He's getting to be with all these girls all the time, doing all these things that you think are great all the time, but at the end of the day he yearns to die. Die? Yep. Charlize Theron didn't die. Die? That seems fine. Old guard? No one saw old guard? Old guard 2? I mean are you not paying attention? I don't think she died in Hancock either. She is Hancock. And in life she's still level. I don't know where you find the time

to watch all these movies. He's working, Ron, how dare you. In time, it's a 6.7 on IMDB. And there's 22 hours in a day. So there's plenty of time. There's 24 hours in a day. Well, two of them I don't. Two, two a night.

I give you two. A solid dose, Ronnie man. If you think that sleeping two hours a day is gonna have you live forever, you have another thing coming. Oh my gosh, he has no idea how quickly he's gonna die. It's gonna go south for me in a hurry, I'm very aware. Ron, what do you do with a dead lion? Like do you cremate it?

Like do you, I mean it seems like for other animals it might be valuable meat or something. Do you study it? No, no, no, no. What we do is, you know, there are various universities and institutions doing studies on lions that might be doing studies on the liver, might be doing studies on the eyes. Those particular organs will be sent out to those, those tissue samples will be sent out to different universities and organizations doing these studies to see what we can learn from the death of this lion.

Whatever, you know, we preserve the skull for our education department here, but the rest of the lion is incinerated. We don't bury any animals here at the zoo for a couple of reasons. First of all, anybody who lives in South Florida knows you hit six inches into the dirt, you're into limestone, so you can't really dig these graves very well. But also we don't want to be polluting the aquifer, you know, as you put these animals on the ground that seeps into the water table and you don't want to do that either. So everything has to be incinerated as per the United States Department of Agriculture,

maintain those rules. Once we have salvaged whatever part of the animal that we're using for research or education. Thank you, Ron. I will now live with the image of what to do with dead lions, as well as how to deal with bears. Thank you for being with us. Always a pleasure, David.

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