The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: The Fan vs. The Fanatic (feat. Brett Favre's Sister?)

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

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I have had trouble this week sort of segueing from some of the stuff going on in the real world to the other things that we talk about silly every day. Like we have still not talked about what happened with Rob Reiner because I had nowhere to put it in us trying to do nonsense. And I will just tell you that David Samson is going through an impossibly hard time. I wouldn't wish what he's going through on anybody that I cared about ever. It's the hardest thing. And in a recent episode of Pablo Tori finds out Mike Schur and Joe Mandy are auctioning off a hat made by Mandy to raise fund for St. Jude's for Samson's daughter. And if this audience, there are seven days left in the auction, wants to help with, you know, David Samson is trying to do a good thing at an impossibly hard time. And he's trying to raise funds for St. Jude's.

is a man who's run on seven continents and seven days to raise money. He's an impossibly strong and willful man and what he's going through is the hardest thing. So, if you want to help Samson's daughter, St. Jude's, people going through difficulties with illness, ptFO.betterworld.org. There are seven days left in the auction,

ptfo.bettorold.org. And Mike Schur has broken his feud with David Samson. That was a real thing. Mike Schur has no use for David Samson's worldview. David Sampson wanted his number because he's like, I can win anybody over, and Scher's like, don't ever give him my number. Nobody given my number. I never want to talk to that person.

Like that, I don't like what he represents in sports labor. And Mike Scher, because of what David Sampson is going to, is trying to help raise money for St. Jude's and for David Sampson. None of the money will go to Sampson, obviously. Samson is actually very giving with his money. So. Helwani said something similar last time he was here, too. I was very touched by him.

Ariel Hawani also broke his feud with David Sampson. as well. Yeah, Hawani's in town for this fight. And I wanted to ask you guys, I've got a bit of a dilemma in that I kind of want to go to this fight and I kind of don't want to go to this fight. Because the last time that I went to an MMA event here and Trump came in, I felt really alone in my own city with what everything that was about the worst parts of Miami that I don't want to be around. But I kind of want to be ringside. And so what do I do? Because you go. You go. You go and you bring your bag of. Shepherds pie. God, I love Shepherds pie. You think Shepard's Pie is worse than spaghetti? Like, spaghetti is so bad, guys. You guys are really under. Spaghetti's doing. Yeah, like a little pee falling onto the floor and, like, rolling away.

You guys are doing spaghetti different than I'm doing spaghetti, though, because you're just doing it red sauce. Like, I can make it like a fettuccini or anything in that family and make it really more disgusting. You can't make a spaghetti. Just pulling chicken wings out of a bag would be funny. You make spaghetti fetichini. It's just fetichini. Whatever. Those noodles.

in an even creamier sauce than a red sauce, I can make a spaghetti even more fattening. You will not be surprised by that. Oh, you mean Alfredo? The red sauce pops, though. That's the problem. You see it, and it does that little stain on the side of the plastic.

That's why whenever you put spaghetti in Tupperware, it's ruined forever. I would have a hard time eating the spaghetti at the game out of the plastic bag because I eat spaghetti with a fork and a spoon. Whoa! Yeah, I gotta like, you know, tie up the noodles. The worst.

The worst. Fancy. So I wouldn't be able to do it. What about Jello? Is that the worst? You think it's the worst? He's just doing it neatly so it doesn't. Get over yourself.

If I see someone twirling pasta with a spoon at the end of it, get over yourself. I have to do the spoon. You guys think he's eating pasta wrong by using the spoon to help him with the utahs? You're not better than me. He's eating it aristocratic. Cleaner than you. You can't wear that outfit and then also. Zagaki.

Boom. Zagacky. Is there a proper way to eat spaghetti? Like, is there a... Oh, definitely. The spaghetti with the spoon. That's how you're supposed to eat it if you are someone who doesn't wear a Roman Rains t-shirt to your anniversary dinner. You know what an alpha move is?

Bringing scissors. I'm really bad. My family, I'm really bad. I've gone through 57 years of my life not knowing some very basic thing about table manners. For example, Mike Scher was actually the one who showed me this the other day. I was unaware until a month ago that you put your credit card in the bill at the top to tell the waiter that that's where you put the credit card. What do you think the little flap was there? What do you think that's not that little pocket was there for?

Listen, listen, there are a thousand things you guys would be surprised that I don't know about very simple table manners. And I'm asking you genuinely, how do you properly eat spaghetti? If I were to eat at a formal dinner with royalty, what is the correct way to eat spaghetti? Out of a bag. Dan, all your years, just as an adult, you go out to eat, whether it went to chilies or you went to prime or whatever, anything in between. They hand you the bill. There's there no intellectual curiosity of you when you open it up. What is this plastic pocket at the top?

I don't admit this with anything except shame and embarrassment. How would the server know that you're ready to pay? You guys are properly shocked. I too was shocked to learn this a month ago. I'm not shocked that you didn't know. I'm asking you the millions of times you opened up the bill and you saw that plastic thing at the top. What did you think about it? The receipt.

Never noticed it. never noticed, the receipt I've noticed, the plastic thing at the top, never noticed that one of those was there for me. I put the credit card in the thing and I put it away from where it is that I'm eating. That's how I've always told the waiter that the bill is ready to be taken. I have never once noticed that flap or used that flap. That's wild. Are we done here? Like, are we done making me feel judged about this? Like, I admit something to you. Give us another one. What else do you do? How do you eat spaghetti? Doesn't know how to eat spaghetti.

I know you guys seize on the piranha of oak. You twirl the fork. You put your mouth, you bite, you lean over the place so that the access falls. Like an animal. You're going to teach me. Yeah, I'll teach you. Let's get some spaghetti in here. Have Zaz demonstrated.

Do you want to go to this fight? But I'll only let you go if we spend the entire time eating things out of bags that are disgusting that could be on the internet forever. Like, I'm not going to go with you otherwise. Okay, but you have to sneak it in. Like, they're not going to let you carry it. You're going to put under your shirt. What is there?

Dan Levitton. What you're talking about? let us do what we want at this fight. There are not tickets aren't selling the way you think they are. Like if if we go, I am, this is a see or be seen thing and I don't want to be seen by these particular people and then I'm going to be sitting there for four hours because the thing's not going to happen to one third, you know, one o'clock morning. Can I bring the trophy? Out. Out. Don't even ask me. Do you guys want to, who would want to go sit next to me at this fight because I am, I am genuinely, I don't want to go. The only reason to go is to be seen at this

I'll go. What time again is the main event going to be? It'll be at 1 o'clock in the morning. So you don't want me to go? Dan, I'll go. I'll go, but I have to wrap myself in a flag, and it's not the American flag. I get it. Thank you.

I'm asking you guys for genuine advice on this because, first of all, my wife learned this morning that I demand on paying for tickets, that I can't take tickets for free. I won't take tickets for free. The journalist. You, for real? you're one of these people? Yes. Wow. Because you're a journalist. Big J. Used to be. It told me, like, very deep into my ESPN career, like, you're not supposed to accept free tickets. Like, the hell I'm not. Yeah, so, but my wife learned this this morning because I insist on paying for the tickets. And my question to you guys is, only for sporting events.

Like concerts you would take. No, anything. I can't, well, the heat run that facility. I can't take concert tickets from the heat. Conflict of interest. How is he supposed to be an unbiased? journalist when he's getting all these freebies. Why am I explaining this to you as a journalist? Because I love free shit. Come on. Well then so you just take everything. Yeah. Oh yeah baby. Ask me twice. That's so radio. I'm asking you guys for advice here because I genuinely had the conversation. It's my birthday week and I wasn't able to celebrate it Tuesday. I postponed it so that I could spend this time with my wife. I don't actually want to go to this thing. The only reason to go it, and it's going to be expensive because I have to pay for the tickets.

The only reason is to be seen at an important event in Miami. There's no other reason to go for it, and I don't like the people physically who are going to be surrounding me. It sounds like a pretty easy decision. Don't do it. You're curious. You've been curious about this fight. Don't you want to get up close? Well, I want to see him get knocked out.

And also, Dan, you owe it. The only reason to go is to see him lose badly in the first round because he shouldn't be in the ring with this person. If you don't finish the spaghetti in the bag and he gets knocked out, you stay in your seat until you finish eating. You let everyone walk out. Get up and walk out around you as you sit there and just... It's four hours. It's going to be

like, it's not going to be a lot of fun until the one minute I'm there for. Like it's four or five out. It starts, covers starts at five. So, Juju? I mean, I feel like you didn't ask me because you know I want to go. You know I would be the person to go with if you pull up

We're going to be, come on, man, you know, going with me places is like going with damn near MC Hammer somewhere, you know. We're just going to be dancing and having a lot of high fives, bro. Dan, if you want to see and be seen, right, and have people make a spectacle, you bring that man with you right there. I guarantee you, Jake Paul, on his way into the ring, we'll stop and dab him up. He's not an ornament. He's a human being.

Goodell dapped him up. Yeah. Okay. So you're, well, that's a different experience. Trust me, Dan, outside of these walls. People like me. I'm a pretty good guy outside of here. Dan, I'm an NBA guy, right?

I'm a big deal. I go around All-Star Weekend. I'm telling you, no better access in my life than having Juju by my side, man. Access to everything. Private rooms and something like, what's going on here? Then they just saw Jujo. Hey, man, what's going on?

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Dan Lebatard. My algorithm on Instagram is Dan, it's all boobs. Stugats. It's a good algorithm. This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. I have been remiss in mentioning that

before what is the single biggest game in the history of Thursday Night's football. I have aired and not talking about this before now because the title's going to someone new. It's going to be something fresh. And you're about to learn things about Puka Nakua because you're paying attention that might be uncomfortable to learn about Puka Nakua because you've only sort of known for a while that, oh, there's another ram that's catching all the touchdown passes. And the Rams can make anything with anyone.

They can make Puka Nakua into Cooper Cup. Devante Adams is going to try and play in this game, which is sort of crazy. And he has to because it's a kind of important game. And there's never been one like this. We used to make fun of Thursday Night Football. Now it's Al Michaels and Kirk Herb Street calling the single biggest Thursday night game there is because we're ready for a new champion and a lot of us would think it might be playing tonight on either sideline. Yeah. Well, Philadelphia is still alive to win the Super Bowl.

But this is the first time that two 11-win teams have matched up on Thursday night. It's been a very strange NFL season. Feels like a whole new era. It's week 16 and no one's won a division just yet. these are the two favorites to win the next Super Bowl. Whoever wins this game is going to have the inside track because they're going to have home field. This is the biggest Thursday Night Football game in the NFL ever. That's interesting that they're, so they're number one and two favorites because one of them

is going to have to play all road games in the playoffs. Yeah, we'll see how it impacts the odds. But the AFC is so wide open that, yeah, you have two teams inside the same division. Oh, but this is, there are a number of things that are important about this game. but whenever they do Super Bowl matchup type stuff, the NFC is so much stronger than the AFC. The teams at the top of that division, whoever the Rams,

if the Rams lose a couple of games, they're suddenly not in the same position that they were in as a team that this season has lost three games, all of them by one score, all of them weird. That team could be undefeated. All of them weird games. Like the Rams could be easily undefeated because they have an offense.

McVeigh, I guess, got four. forgotten last year because they got hurt, but they have an offense that will make Devante Adams try to get out there tonight. But the last time he had these two receivers, Odell Beckham got hurt in the Super Bowl and was going to go for 200 yards. Like McVeigh can do it with this quarterback. He's shown us. He was throwing no look passes to Cooper Cup in a Super Bowl. That team plays tonight against a team that it needed to turn the ball over four times and the Seahawks were still kicking for the game at the end because Seahawks are really good, but they play in the same division and in a conference where the 49ers have four losses. It's absurd what that

division is and it's absurd that anything from Tampa Bay's division is going to be playing a playoff game. Oh, you know you're going to be taking that home dog. That NFC South home dog first round, you do not want to go into that building. It's a giant game and the wide receiver for the Rams, Pukunakua, who's a household name because he's got a poetic name and he's super excellent, super tough. His brother has been arrested for shoplifting and he was on a live stream. Not shoplifting. I'm sorry for car. I'm sorry for I'm sorry. I didn't shoplifting. I wish it was shoplifting. I confused him. I confused him with Brett Farv's sister who we did this to. She was a shoplifter. Also Lonzo Ball's brother was a shoplifter. Puka Nakua's brother did a carjacking

allegedly. Pucanakua has also been on a live stream in which last, was it last night with Aidan Ross and a person. Never let that happen by the way, teams. Don't let your athletes go on an Adam Ross stream. Good Lord, man. That's that, you can't let that one sneak through communications. It's a very popular podcast. It's a very popular podcast in sports. Puka Nakua has been on that show and these are popular. This is a place where an athlete who is young who wants to, reach a different audience. You mean Nazis or? Pooka Nakua. So let's talk about this for a second because what Pukinakua has done on this

live stream, the news of yesterday was that he went on the live stream and he said the refs are making calls just to be on television. The refs are the worst. That was yesterday's controversy. There was some other stuff. No, but see, that hadn't gotten to me until I just heard you guys talking about it 10 minutes ago. Yeah, you could say certifiably, worst week in the Nukua family went to Puka, and then last night happened. Just a banner day for the surname. His brother said, hold my beer. His brother, who plays in the UFL, slapped a fan. There's video this, in full uniform. Why? You know, right here, we have video, because the fan probably said something that

bothered him. That's just my guess I haven't reported on the situation. Great reach, but that didn't happened yesterday or that wasn't the news that came out yesterday. The news, Dan, that came out yesterday by Pooka Nakua's brother, Samson, by the way, is his name, Samson Nakua, was that he was arrested for stealing a car. Now, you say, whoa, there was a random car? Like, no, it was a Lakers player car. Then you say, well, how did they get caught? Like, was there a police chase? Like, no. They drove the car and they valeted it. No. And then they went inside a hotel to hang out, and the cops came to arrest him and his dumb-ass buddy in the

hotel lobby. The crime is almost too perfect. They valet the stolen car. The proof for the cops could be found in the pocket, like hand me the valet slip or the picture you take of the valet? I guess the car had a tracker in it, but again they valet parked it.

Who was the Laker he stole it from? Do we know which? It's the rookie what's his name? Tiero. So it's a nice car. He just stole a Laker player. He plays for the Lakers. Dan, it's not a It's not a Mazda Miata. Yeah.

But did he just go to the valet stand outside of the, like, how did he steal the car? Then he didn't. I called it a car. First I called it shoplifting, then I called it carjacking. Did he just take it from the valet? No, he took the car and then valeted it later. That's crazy. He's like, I'm driving a stolen car.

You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to valet it at the place I'm at right now. No, I think Dan's asking how did he steal it? Carjacking. I accused him of carjacking. That's not the same thing. That carjacking is with a gun. Did he just pick it up?

You're the one I made a carjacking. So he just picked up the car outside the Laker facility. The spectrum of crimes that just poor Samson Nakua has allegedly committed, according to Dan Lovatard. Also, by the way, going back to Puka Nakua, he did the stream and all that stuff. But do you guys know he tried to get those guys into the practice facility? Okay, so do you guys, though, want to talk about what he did on the live stream? Jeremy sounds like he's got something to say. Before we get to the live stream, I just want to say all of these things that Pooka is doing,

They're very, very, very familiar. I don't know if you guys remember. Antonio Brown at the very big, when he's still with the Steelers, what was Antonio Brown doing? He was live streaming from the locker room. He's doing all this stuff. He's hanging out with these people. We're like, oh, he's just eccentric. And then we know where I ended up.

This feels very similar. Really? Yeah. Is he still dating Charlotte Flair? I don't want to just skip past the anti-Semitic parts of this. It's not a great time. I don't want to ruin this by making Jeremy make us all serious, but it seemed like you. I was learning about what happened here from you and Zaz talking about it 10 minutes ago.

Yeah, I was learning about it too. Okay. It's not something that I don't know. We're talking about the other parts of this story, not a part of this story that probably not a lot of people are talking about. But it's kind of a, it's, Dan, it's Chinooka. We don't want to bring them move down? More like Puga, no juoos. Okay, so we are going to just move on.

bring in the Grim Reaper here. The Grim Reaper and the bucket, the Dentech bucket, I don't have this mouthpiece in. Yeah, I'm sorry to Dentech for not having the mouthpiece in. You should have it in in order to stop headaches if you grind at night. The bucket is presented by Dentech's ultimate fantasy football punishment. The next big fantasy football punishment is almost here. Watch for your, wow.

Watch for the reveal at Dentech.com. He has a mouthpiece in. It's okay. Trish, do you know about that mouthpiece? I bought it in. I'm rummaging. Chris was not wearing a mouthpeat. That's why he stumbled. That's how that happened.

I got the Atlanta Falcons. They're at the Cardinals, and they are a three and a half point road favorite. I'm going to put it back. Really? You're Atlanta. Really? What are you doing? That's why I know.

I know that I don't. Don't take the valance. Remaging. Ah! The Jits. It's always dangerous to put back a favor. They're at the Saints. They're four and a half point dollars.

Trista, you know how this works? You can make a pick, and if you don't like, you get one putback. Seven point swing on that. All right, we are rummaging. We are rolling around. Chief Gardner Minchew and them boys At Tennessee

Three and a half point favorite Three and a half I think I'll think I say yes Wow Wow Gardner Minchew Good for you Mania Good for you

Yeah Good for you Show some guts Why don't It's a three and a half Favorite Against the worst team of a generation Against the worst

Yeah I think that's pretty good I got the Patriots They got something like football At Baltimore That is a Waterloo game Baltimore is a three and a half point favorite I like road variable, but this isn't against the spread. This is straight up and putting it back.

Wow. Here we go. Alan Falcons. All right. Upgrade. All right, guys. Hey, did you know there's a Cam Ward documentary on Tubi? That's right.

Is it any good? Zero star. That's the name of the show, not my review. Is it any good? I don't know. They were filming it for a while. That's great information. information Mike insider they were working on her you happen to know did you get the lions

there I mean I got the Panthers they're playing Tampa Bay they're a three and a half point dog at home and the winner just wins a division right no that's too many stakes too many statesarily why don't know too many stakes you mentioned that it's a three and a half point favorite a three and a half point dog at home for the division Dan, the statue I've tried has balls. I don't. Also, I'm 5 and 0 this year, so I need this. I need the undefeated

season. Ooh, milk steak out of the bag. Commanders. They are a six and a half point home dog to the Super Bowl championship. Damn it! Eagles. This might be it for your undefeated streak. That game is on Saturday. Super worst. I got

Tony's Jacksonville Jaguars. Jacksonville is that Denver. There are only a three and a half point dog, but Denver's a high school. No, I'm a huge Denver guy. If you had a documentary, would you want it to be airing on Tooby specifically? Hey, I got the Broncos. Where

to go? Wow. Some good games. If you had a documentary, my inclination is, you just want it anywhere. Hard to sell those things. If you say, I'm just saying, if you say, I'm saying, I mean, hey, we're going to make a document about your life. It'll be on Tooby. That's right. You know what? Never mind.

I got the swap helmet. Brad, we're on YouTube. Let me pick my helmet now. I've got the Vikings. All right, that's not bad one. Well, he doesn't have to keep it anyways. No, he's going to give it to somebody else. Let me see here.

Who do I want? Commander, go in there, I'll make my decision. Vikings are at the Giants. There's three and a half point favorite. It looks like O'Connell's going to figure out, J.J. McCarty, too. It is starting to come out of line. One game? No, two.

Two games. I got the Buffalo Bills. Buffalo is... Are we still doing five weeks? He's right. They're at Cleveland. We all, Commander's on a box. I'm going to keep it.

Ten and a half point favorite. And I will swap with Zaslo. I got the Jags. I don't believe in either of these teams. I don't believe in Jacksonville and Denver, so I'll just keep... Zazel, you have... Lack of belief in Denver. Zazlo, you have the Vikings.

I'm swapping with you. All right. Oh, that's fun. It wasn't really. I would say that it was too many people. I would say that it reminded me of all the times I haven't enjoyed doing the bucket. Because... Probably keep the mouthpiece in, what do you think?

No, I think that's also... Thank you to Dentek. Yeah. And not Dan. We had a good season at the bucket. It was much more disciplined. People paid their penalties? We've still got a few to pay off.

Don't worry, Dan. I'm on it. I could not have lost more this season. Yeah, you owe four punishments still. I think it's three. Nope. I want to check my math on that. I have the math.

I have a dangerous punishment. I have to pick any name out of a bucket, a cast member from this show, and I have to dress like them. We're filling it. It's only with me. What if you pull Zaz? That's terrible. I'm not wearing a flex fit backwards. I'm just not.

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That's the first clue. You put it in a notebook. Now what do you do? Blues, clothes, blues, clothes. Sit on the chair and think about it. This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugats. I mean, I wanted to ask you somebody, something as somebody who dedicated his life to front office success. When the nationals hired someone 31 years.

old to be their general manager, to run their baseball franchise against the Mets and the Braves. The person is 31 years old. Were you equipped at 31 years old to run a franchise, like to be the GM of a franchise? Absolutely not. And I think for several reasons. I think, and this guy might be awesome. I don't know anything about him. I just learned a story from you right now.

But here's the problem, right? Number one is you have just experience and institutional knowledge. That's so huge in these things. Yes, there's all sorts of new cutting edge technologies and stuff that being able to adapt to being able to adopt is easier for a younger person. But a lot of stuff is just knowing stuff that's happened because you've lived it. You were around when, hey, I remember when we traded so-and-so or when so-and-so was traded for such and such. And I think that's a huge thing that people overlook when they hire a young exec. Number two, I know for myself, I definitely did not have the temperament.

to be a leader because when you talk about leading ops department, it's not just, oh, what trade should we do and give me the analytics readouts? It's like, I have to, number one, manage up. And that's a skill in of itself. How many billionaires have you been around in your life to where you know how to handle this situation? Number two, you've got to know how to delegate.

And a lot of times when you're at that age, I know for me when that age, I know a lot of people like this, you're in this constant feeling of, I gotta prove to everybody, I know my shit, means I got to do everything, and I got to do it at a high level. So everyone says, oh, my God, he's so good at this and so good at that. And I think those are kind of maturity things that, I'm not saying people are immature at 31. I'm just saying things that you have to have a certain comfort level that is not typical among someone that young.

The reason I ask you the question is I'm trying to think if baseball is somehow different. Okay. So at the start of the Moneyball movement, when they started hiring young people who were good at math and modern, Paul D. Potesta left the Oakland A's and wanted to run a baseball team, and he's gone back and forth between baseball and football, and whatever power they gave him with the Cleveland Browns has been a disaster with the Cleveland Browns. If he had anything to do with anything happening there, that was a failure, and now he goes to the Rockies, who are epically bad, and he goes to run the Rockies with whatever he's learned from being Wiz kid to being 50-year-old. Sean McVeigh obviously knows something as a young person, as a 31-year-old, that the rest of us didn't have access to. How do I bridge the Gulf if I'm going to give this over to a baseball team is different than some of these other teams? A GM is different than a coach, and they really are going after the numbers guys trying to get the whiz kids who know better about how to exploit market inefficiencies with the numbers through the data.

Right. I think, first of all, there's a big difference in coaching and GMing. Like front office work and coaching work is totally different. To me, a coach can be young, especially if he's got a playing experience or has been an assistant coach for a while. There's a lot of stuff you can figure out as a coach. Again, with being a GM, being in the front office, there's so much juggling of things that seem like are beyond what most people will consider the auspices of the game. Like, this is what you need. This is the stuff that is important. There's so much more.

And then, like I said, when you're interacting with an owner, I don't know, again, I just understand this story right now from you. Is he the president of baseball operations? He's the general manager. He is not, he's more powerful than the manager. He's running the place. Yes, but no, no, but see, there you go. I'm going to stop you there because this is a new thing across baseball and basketball.

This thing we're like, I have a GM, and this is the GM. He does all the trades and he has the analytics and stuff. But then he answers to another layer before we get to ownership, the president of ops. And that guy is typically going to be like Stan Kasten was in. LA and stuff. And for the nationals, that is Paul Toboni, who is 35 years old. Their manager is 33. Their GM is 31.

Every single one of those guys is born after 1990. Chris and I are a little confused that you're going to a mean on this when you're looking at the GM of the year. I'm sorry, did you win a championship in yours sport? Did you build a championship roster? No. I didn't. I well.

Amari came off the bench. We all know what happened. We all saw it. Hold on. Did you find an under? Hold on, man. First of all, you're not going to disrespect my WMBA. titles. That's right. An Olympic gold medal.

And an Olympic gold medal. But I was not, to be fair to y'all, I was not the GM in any of those situations. That's right. And you're pretty far removed from the game. We won a championship last week. It is pretty crazy that the Nationals' front office is younger on average age than the Cyclones' front office. What do you want to know, Dan? Are you GM of the year, or is he the GM of the year? That's right. That's right. Yes. Okay. You're

both the GM of the year? There he goes. Trying to drive that wedge. The Nationals leadership is younger on average age than the Clippers. That's, not the Clippers front office, not the Clippers coaching staff, the Clippers. I mean, I need your help with a couple of movie things

since you are our movie expert and you have said that Zaz is not, Zaz has something for you on the movie front too, but among these three movie stories, I want to know which one you find more interesting because I discovered three things I did not know about recent movies

and a 1980 movie. You ever heard of the movie Roar from 1980 because it was 150 large cats and apparently everyone on the set got mauled. Like there were 70 injuries to staff people. So I want to know whether you want to go down that path, whether you want to go down the path of Pedro Pascal was in a movie this year that made $2,750, $2,750. And then the other movie fact that I learned here recently, and I couldn't believe it. Do you remember the movie The Fan with Robert De Niro and Westmoreland?

Oh, Bobby! Truly, truly awful movie. I won't spoil it for you, but at the end, Robert De Niro does something as the umpire that's unspeakable. In a driving rainstorm. But the thing that I wanted to tell you about this is, were you aware of, there's a worse movie than that called The Fanatic by John Travolta? And the thing that I did not know, it was written and... directed by Limp Biscuits Fred Durst, which is another person that Zaslow dresses like. Okay, so first of all, the fanatic, Cynophobe Episode 26.

What's Cynephob? The Cynophob is the podcast where Zach Harper and I watch movies that are poorly rated on Rotten Tomatoes and try to ascertain whether they're accurately rated or maybe didn't get a fair shake. Cinephobe wherever you get podcasts, today's episode is The Three Musketeers. It just came out today. But episode 26 was the fanatic episode 60 of Cynophobe was the fan. So I've reviewed both of these movies, Dan, and I know a lot.

And the central character in The Fanatic is played by John Travolta. He plays perhaps a mentally challenged, but we don't know. It's never explicitly said. And his name is Moose. And one of the most famous quotes is, Moose is in the house. You were very excited about that. He opened up a Google knock. Yeah, these are two, I got to know the episode numbers.

He's got the notes. These are two of my all-time favorite episodes we've ever done in the fan with Robert De Niro and Wesley Snipes. Hey, Bobby. There is a sports radio character who we all believe to be modeled after Michelle Beetle, even though Michelle Beatle wasn't doing a sports radio in the 90s. It's Ellen Barkin. Yeah, you know who the producer is? Oh, it's a Jack Black.

Yep. Yeah, see? So they open, this is one of my favorite things, Dan, because people, like I said, people watch movies, they don't know shit about anyone else's jobs other than their own. But I've worked sports radio. So imagine the sports radio show where it's like, all right, hey, welcome to the da-da-da-da-show. Let's open up the phone lines now. Immediately, the first segment before she even lays anything out, opens up the phone lines.

And then, you know, Bobby De Niro is driving and he's like calling him and like, yeah, we got to. Bobby Rayburn and I just hate the negativity you always have on the show and he starts killing her right there and then Bobby Rayburn hears and he calls in this is all in the first segment of a radio show

he calls in and then him and Robert De Niro start having a conversation like hey man thanks for thanks for being such a great fan that's why I came here and signed with the Giants it is a great movie Dan you call it a bad movie it's a great movie negativity is what I mean said

negativity I am honestly stunned that I placed in front of you a movie that had 150 big cats mauling crew members, and you're more excited about the fan, both Robert De Niro and a sports radio call at the beginning of that. Your love of bad movies is staggering. So here's the deal. So he's a big free agent signing. He comes back to San Francisco Bay Area. Everyone's excited.

But then he doesn't start so hot. And then... He didn't have his number. And he didn't have his number. Who wore his number? Juan Primo. Juan Primo played by? Benicio.

Benicio del Toro. Yeah. Look at this. The guys are connecting. Okay, experts. All right, so Robert De Niro's character, Gilernard, he's upset. He's like, it's all because he doesn't have his number, and it's that dude's fault. Yep.

So what does he resolve to do? He confronts Warren Primo. It says, hey, man, why don't you just give up the number? It's all good. And then... Where does he confront him? At a strip club in the bathroom. Wow.

Not a single eyelid was open in that scene between Del Toro and De Niro. And so, Juan, Primo. So imagine a player having some fan come in and say, you got to give up your number to the other guy. It's like, get the hell out of my face. So, of course, Gilernard, who I should mention at this point, is a knife salesman, stabs him to death. That's a thread.

Got him his number back. He did. You two have never been so aligned. You two have looked in each other's eyes and you have a love of movies in a singular language. Look, you completely... Love of sports movies. I think this is a sports movie.

Great movie. Have you seen The Fanatic? Of course. With what's his name? Devin Sawa. Yes. How about big fan? Wait a minute.

That's with Patton Oswald? That's right. Yeah, I've seen that too. You have not seen the movie by Fred Durst. I have. Oh, maybe I haven't. No, maybe I haven't. With John Travolta?

No, I haven't seen that. It's the biggest turd on a Travolta resume that has a thousand turds on it. Poppycock. What kind of nonsense is it that a player on your team passes away and you give the number to the other teammate? What is that? Like Philip Rivers. How does he get to where number 17?

Daniel Jones is on the roster, man. It's called the slump buster. Samson taught us out. Again with the slump buster? We have never foiled Samson that way. He has never had that experience where he was just... Derek Jeter's a bad person. Everyone knows that.

You don't respect the Boulevard and you don't miss the fans. Samson also said that Philip Rivers would not start. He was uninsurable. I guess I got some insurance. That is. No one else broke down the Philip Rivers story the way Samson did with. He's uninsurable. The crazy thing about Samson is that he opened up the show to take a shot at Zaz and other people about being so confidently wrong.

Wow, multiple times during the show. And I think the WMBA will prove this that take that he's so confidently wrong.