The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: The Final Woj Bomb

Episode Date: September 18, 2024

It's rare to have major breaking news during our live show, but Adrian Wojnarowski has done it by announcing his immediate retirement from the news breaking business to take over as the GM of the St. Bonaventure basketball program. Dan, Amin, and the rest of the crew dive into his career, why the role he's played over the last several years can be an unhappy one, and whether or not ESPN can immediately find another Woj. Then, Ron Magill is here to discuss animals showing affection toward humans, Chimp Crazy, the origin of "get their withers up," killing animals instead of people, and Greg's birthday party guest list. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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is leaving the information business and I think this is genuinely shocking because I believe he just signed a nine-figure deal did he not the information guy is more valuable than he's ever been the information guy is made more crazy than ever by the intensity around that job and the statement, can you guys update me because we've just been checking and rechecking to make sure that this news is real and it seems like Woj is getting out of ESPN to be the general manager

of St. Bonaventure? The Bonneys. Tony? It's also NIL allocation, recruiting and supporting successful Bonnie's coach, Mark Schmidt, but like you're doing all those things now as kind of like your second act in your career. It's just a weird time, no?

Oh, this feels like there's something else. The job has either made him crazy or his family crazy, and he's gotta keep everything together because this is not in any way a promotion, this is not, it might be a good job to somebody, but this is a job that wouldn't pay somebody very much money at all. Dan, when you get a chance to turn around the Bonneys,

you take that chance, you do. I mean, it's not every day that Woj is offered at all. Dan, when you get a chance to turn around the Bonneys, you take that chance. You do. I mean, it's not every day that Woj is offered an opportunity to turn around, say, Bonaventure, one of the great college basketball programs of all time. I mean, can you please help me know what that job pays? Does that job even pay $500,000 a year, the job he just stepped to?

I'll be honest, first of all, like typically no, but again, we live in an NIL era. I don't know if people get a cut of the NIL money, kind of like, hey, how much does a morning radio show host make? All right, now how much does a morning radio show host make when they get a cut of the sales the way that, like, Mike Greenberg did for Mike and Mike?

It ain't going to be $10 to $12 million a year that they're paying on the open market for someone like Woj in the information business. Probably at a school like St. Bonaventure, probably not. It's probably not a tenth of that. Probably not, but again, I don't know. Should we be that shocked though? Because yes, he gets paid a lot of money, but this is an easier lifestyle.

Like I've talked to Adam Schefter about his life. We talked to Diana Rossini yesterday about what she goes through and how her kids are putting her wallet in the microwave and she doesn't know because she's chasing down an NFL story and so he has a chance to go back to a place where he went to school be the GM of a basketball program. It reminds me of what John Wildhack did who was the former president at ESPN. Vice president. Or vice president. Went back to Syracuse to be their AD and I think it was just an

easier better lifestyle you know. Yeah, yeah I guess I mean like Wild Hack I believe was Syracuse alum, Adrian is the same Bonaventure is alum, Syracuse although it's got kind of a bigger deal with a bigger budget program than Bonaventure. You can't say to me, none of you can say to me this isn't shocking like you're not allowed to say to me that this is not a shocking thing that is just happened this in this is in our industry something that is absolutely shocking like it you can't say you're not surprised by this is the suddenness of

it for me i mean where there any rumors about something going on with him in the s p n not that i heard uh... it just the suddenness of it is what shocks me and the suspicious mind would say there's gotta be something behind this because who leaves he's one of the biggest celebrities in sports journalism he's gonna disappear on the staff of bonaventure i'm sorry great basketball program or not he is

going to disappear that's not a shocking statement either. You are also right about that. Spread lightly, Greg. I apologize, Greg. I think that for everyone listening to this, there are what, five of these in sports media? Five? He is the king of this.

With Schefter, with shams there with Jay Glazer there with Diana Rossini there are not very many of these good day for shams huh I'm surprised he didn't break the news maybe he told woge that would have been so great you guys I don't think that it has to be seen as suspicious to simply say that the lifestyle is not healthy let's play this diana russini sound she got buried by the way the internet buried her she has gotten so good at all of this uh... not just the information business

but the personality business and what is happening right now in america that's really divided among the genders gets her buried yesterday by a whole lot of people telling her that her caring about a richly deserving personality from getting all of the attention and fame that she deserves from this job because of how well she does it and because she said this about her husband. Walking around the lake after you were fired just what 7, 8 months ago, I just I think that's wild that he had such courage. I don't even like to go to Philly after a loss and I have nothing to do with it.

But he's with Belichick. Just the general energy, just the energy of it. Yeah, I just don't wanna be around those people. Even just this morning, my husband said two words to me, he's an Eagles fan. And I'm like, this can't be a thing. I don't wanna be the household that is shaped by the result of a football game.

Like, A, grow up. B, you're a father. I don't want our children having a culture where mommy and daddy's tone in this house is based on the result of the Philadelphia Eagles. Who cares? So stupid. Isn't it a case though,

where while we don't want daddy to be moping around because the Eagles lost, we also don't want mommy moping around because she missed the call on some offensive coordinator breaking news like- The house is on fire. I bring it up all the time. I bring it up all the time. I said, I don't care about the wins and losses.

All this house should be focused on is how to give me the ability to do my job at a better level. I've asked him to quit. I'm like, I don't care about your job. I don't care about your career goals. I don't care that you work 50 hours a day and that you have contributed really. He gives everything to the company.

He works for Shake Shack. He does so much for this company. I want him to quit, but he won't do it because something about just like personal growth or something Dad I swear to God when you said she got buried I thought it was about her toddler playing with candles That's a thing you see you put it out. Yes I was like finally someone mentions it because she put it in passing You know the little one likes to blow out candles like it's a birthday

She lights up candles and goes about and so the smoke is going to my husband like this smoke and I guess candles again I like what this is just a regular thing. I'm telling you that that lifestyle is a mental health Calamity, I would not want it no matter how much it pays I'm telling you I've told you before that when I had to be in the news breaking business in my early 20s I was sobbing at midnight in the Miami Herald bathroom because I hated so very much competing with others for information I would not want to do that job and I'm imagining that Shams and Adam Schefter that they're looking at woge and they're jealous of finally he got out of the insane asylum of what this is that we're beholden to the money and the addiction of what we have to be

in our phone 23 out of 24 hours a day Dan counterpoint how do you think he had just alive out outside of Shawshank okay everyone thinks it's awful inside of Shawshank and then you get outside and you realize, I can't live in this world where I'm not constantly in the middle of everything and texting people. Yeah, but what's waiting for him is St. Bonaventure. That's a good point, that's a good counter. Weaning yourself off of this addiction,

cold turkey, is very difficult and I've gotta think that it is either him trying to love himself or someone around him who's like get out of that business it is a disaster and he just signed like he's getting out at his most valuable he's getting out at the time that these people are paid more and more valued than they've ever been and it's not close to what it used to be. This job, I remember, I'm not kidding you, we were in Australia at the Olympics, and Woj was doing a sixth story

for the Bergen record at midnight about some bobsledder, local bobsledder, who had finished in fourth place. And at the time, I'm walking through the media center at midnight with like a bottle of tequila yelling at Woj. You're doing it all wrong, Woj. You shouldn't be here at midnight doing that sixth story. From there, he would have never imagined a career

that paid even $500,000 a year or $250,000 a year. For him to get out when the information person that paid even $500,000 a year or $250,000 a year. For him to get out when the information person is more valuable than they've ever been, I don't think it's suspicious. I think it's everything to do with lifestyle happiness. That is a job that it's almost impossible to be happy in. If I had to guess, I would agree with you. To lend to what you're saying,

he signed a five-year, $35 million contract. He's walking away from that. Just shy of the nine figures. Okay, I thought that Schefter, it's my bad, I think Schefter's at 10 or 11 or $12 million a year. They're more valuable than they've ever been. So you were walking around drinking on the job, covering the Olympics is what I was gathering

from my story. Well, it was after hours, it was midnight. The Miami Herald runs a notoriously loose ship. What is the media center situation at the Olympics like? Because we hear about where the athletes stay, like those dorms, what is the media interaction like? It's just a warehouse, it's a giant warehouse of content. What kind of scandals go on?

What kind of scandalous stories go on that everyone's like, hey, hush hush, we can't talk about any of this stuff. Why are you nodding at Greg? The problem with Woege and his job that he just got out of is that it's never after hours. Like, he's on call 24 hours a day. Believe me, I covered the University of Miami football

for five years in the late 80s, mid to late 80s. You hated it. It was terrifying. And you were bad at it. I mid to late 80s. You hated it. It was terrifying. And you were bad at it. I was bad at it and I hated it. And the first thing I would do every morning is get up and read the Miami News to see if they had beaten me on a significant story.

And the biggest joy of my professional life is when I got done with the UM beat and a couple of years later I became a columnist. Not because it was a perceived promotion or raise but because i no longer had the stress level of covering a major beat for what was then a major paper it's it's debilitating

i mean you uh... you looked at me and thought it was mean for me to say that he was better i was also bad at it it's it's hard to do and it is unsettling. Your mind never rests when your job depends on having more information than the next person and you're competing against someone like Shams who might not have a family, who might not have to pay attention to other things

in his life other than the breaking of news and you taught him everything he knows. Like it is, you don't think it's is, you don't think it's exhausting. You don't think it's anything. I'm not disagreeing with that it's exhausting. I'm disagreeing with some of the things that you're saying and as you're trying to explain that it's exhausting. I think everyone finds the right balance

and the right rhythm in doing this. And the reality is, when you two did this job it was way more stark because when you got beat you didn't know until like Greg said he picked up the paper next morning how did I miss this story? Now a guy gets beat by like 30 seconds nobody cares who broke the news. Nobody knows who broke the news. So why do we care? Well because we pay them like we care. No but that's a problem with our industry. It's not a problem with their life or whatever.

It's the information. Look, I guarantee you the people, the Jimmy Pataro and friends, they don't know. They don't know. If I ask them right now, yo, who broke Paul George signing with the Clippers four years ago? Jimmy doesn't know.

He doesn't know. No, but this is not the important. He assumes though, I mean. He assumes. So if we can build a mythology that says I'm the guy that breaks it first every single time, without actually being beholden to that, in this era, in this context, Dan,

there is no accountability for it versus when you guys were doing it. We knew who broke the story because we woke up in the morning picked up this paper and I had it your paper didn't this is the part that matters though that I think that you're missing the thing that ESPN is buying there isn't did you break this story or that story it's in the age of misinformation we've got a credible one we've got one that if he says it, it is right and everyone knows it. That's what they're paying for. And guess what?

There's more of those guys out there that you can go get right now and you're gonna have the same reputation. I don't think so. I think there's only five of them. I don't think that anyone and everyone can do that. I'm gonna give you a great example. Jeff Passon is one of those guys, right? On the baseball side. When did that happen for Jeff Passon? Like where he got cemented at that level? I would say that it happened about five or six years ago.

That's a relatively short amount of time. But they're not everywhere. Passon is one of the best I've ever seen at journalism. They're not everywhere. I'm not knocking Jeff. Jeff's great. I'm just saying that you're like, oh, where are we gonna find one?

Guess what, they are everywhere. You just don't know about them yet. I think there are only a precious few. I'm with Dan. And I think ESPN helps with their credibility. Once you get there, Woj got to ESPN from Yahoo, I believe. And once he got to ESPN, became the most credible guy. Shams has been able to pull it off.

Schefter would tell you that ESPN helped him immensely in terms of his credibility. So maybe there are other people doing it, but to Dan's point, I don't believe the story until I read it from Schefter or Racini. I just don't. Look, I get it. But again, a lot of that is being the co-sign

of having the worldwide leaders say, this is the guy or this is the gal. That's how it goes down. Shams goes to ESPN tomorrow, Chris Haynes goes to ESPN tomorrow. You're not losing sleep. You're getting the same kind of reputation, albeit it might take a little time to build

to that level that where Adrian is, but it's the same type of reporting and the same type of reputation. The biggest thing that we've ever allowed to do is, and I apologize to any of my friends who are newsbreakers when I say this, we allowed milk producers to brand themselves. It's milk. There's no such thing as, oh, let me get that brand of milk over. It's themselves. It's milk. There's no such thing as, oh, let me get that brand of milk over. It's milk. It's milk. It doesn't matter. We don't know. There's a billion cows producing this milk. And oh, Fairfield

Farms is out of business. So what? I'm just grabbing the next one. Your apology seems insincere when you take out milk and make all of your newsgatherers Totally disposable the news is milk cows. It's a commodity. They're all cows It's no no, they're not cows the cows are whatever the sources are right? It's in economics They have this term called commodities right commodities are things that are not you don't care like there is no brand of gold It's just gold, right? Versus there are brands of sneakers, there are brands of computers, there are brands of phones.

Like these are things where yes, I can brand differentiate between one product and the next. With a commodity, corn, wheat, it's just stuff where I get it from here, there. Now people try to brand, they try to brand like, oh we've got the best, Idaho has the best potatoes, or Nebraska has the best corn. But the reality is, the consumer does,

I'm sorry if I'm getting too high brow for you guys. I don't think it's high brow. Not high brow, but I also think you're sitting next to someone that could probably only eat a specific type of egg. Where I'd say eggs are eggs, they come from chickens. But then like, what did we feed the chicken before? First range chickens always have, right?

There's almond milk, there's oat milk, there's lactose intolerant milk. You're right, there are a lot of milks, but you don't care who the brand is. It's not like, Jacob's great oat milk. This is the only oat milk you should drink. I think Dan cares. I prefer Oatly, I prefer Oatly.

Oatly over what? I like MacArthur. Oat milk.atly over what? I like MacArthur. Oat milk. All other. Name other. I like MacArthur. I was going to go Velda Farms. Velda Farms.

I was trying to think of milk. I was trying to think of milk brands. What is the first, what is the leader in milk? Who is the leader in milk? There is no leader in milk. That's his point. That's my point. Velda Farms. Unless you allow someone to tell you, I'm the leader in milk. There is no leader in milk. That's his point. That's my point. Fell to farms.

Unless you allow someone to tell you, I'm the leader of milk, my milk is the best. Where's Jeremy? He's been gone for like an hour. Well, I was going to say, like, you said we don't want to talk about baseball, and we've been trying to get to baseball, and you just kind of sent him away. He's been gone almost the entire time. It's really spectacular to think that after all of this, you know, there's been all these rule changes, and that's what they wanted.

They wanted the pace of the game to be better. I've been sitting here on this couch for longer than a game of baseball takes. Greg Cody has a Hall of Fame boat. He probably can't even name a single Detroit Tiger and the Tigers are on the verge of potentially making the playoffs. Jackson Merrill, who I mentioned before,

how about Jackson Churio? He's only 20 years old, a 2020 season. What a terrible job for his therapist. Yeah. I'd rather talk about milk, honestly. I want to talk about baseball, but no one else wants to talk about baseball, so let's go to some Dancing with the Stars. Bobby Witt has a 30-30 season. He's the only shortstop ever with two 30-30 seasons. He's 24 years old. It's unbelievable to think that Shohei's going to 50, 50.

I think Dwight Howard won Dancing with the Stars just by, just, he looks beautiful and in being bigger than anyone else out there, he makes everything look a lot easier on Dancing with the Stars than it should be. Look at this. Now the music helps this and we can't play the music. Let's recreate the music.

But tell me anyone's gonna be, no one's going to beat him here, correct? Thank you, thank you. I gotta tell you, it's more impressive without the music. I mean, keep going. Sanford and Son team. There is a little Sanford and Son in there. Tony, do you believe that Dwight Howard won Dancing with the Stars last night because

his ability to throw this woman around and make it look this easy, I don't believe anyone else is going to be able to do that. It just looks weird because she's so much smaller than him It looks kind of fake. It looks like AI if you tell me this was AI Dwight Howard dancing I'd be like, you know what? I believe it. It's gotten really good. Hey Dwight put on a shirt Well, yeah, I mean who goes on a national TV show and dances in a tank top somebody who has a body like that Somebody who has a body like that We understand why you wouldn't but why

Button down shirt for crying out loud is Jeremy just going to spend all the time on the therapy couch talking about Dwight Howard a retired basketball player They'd rather talk about a retired news breaker than the fact that Juan Soto and Aaron Judge each have 40 home runs this season. They're the only duo in Yankees history outside of Marison Mantle and Ruth and Garreg. And yet here we are talking about Dwight Howard dancing. It's the most frustrating thing when they tell me that they want to talk about baseball, but then they tell me that later in the show they're going to talk about Dwight Howard of all people. When you're hiring for your small business, you want to find quality professionals that

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slash FT ball NFL plus premium offer available only to new and former NFL plus subscribers additional NFL plus premium terms at NFL comm slash terms Dolibertard Billy somebody has written in here. I need way more here I need way more I Just said in his headset haven't you been tall them too it sounded like you were speaking aloud my bad Stugats but that goes without saying right that it couldn't have now he said I didn't Why Greg yeah, Greg He apologized and Craig sincerely. This is the down Libertar show with his two guards In the postgame today and on a number of different outlets where you get us via video, you will

find what I believe to be one of the newest and most popular college football shows sweeping the nation. Gen CFB with Jessica Smetana and Lucy Rodin is something, and Stu Gatz has been taking advantage of this on God Bless Football It's something that's gaining in popularity around here and is an intense dose of IV in your veins college football if you feel like our show is not discussing college football enough because we're too busy Talking to the animal expert football is popular Dan It is and so in the postgame you can get gen CFB You know what else is popular linkedin and this segment is presented by linkedin jobs not popular is Jeremy Tash a talking about baseball

They he's been sent out to the therapy couch in Major League Baseball that are in it this year I mean, I mean that's what you there's so many teams are in this is completely useless I mean, that's what you want. There's so many teams that are in it this year, completely useless. Okay, it's not great. Yeah, it's not great as analysis, but regardless, we've got a lot happening around here and we cannot skip Ron McGill because he's the most popular segment that we have. So Ron McGill joins us now.

We're always grateful for Ron McGill and the audience has been great about servicing his substantive endowment with funds that are substantive throughout the land. What happened? Phrasing. Now we're going to object to the substantive endowment. He's made a lot of money. Servicing.

He takes a lot of, now we're going to object to the, we're doing it now with servicing. The substantive endowment hasn't stopped you before, it's the servicing that's the problem? It was a weird word choice. Continue, Dan, I'm sorry, I apologize. Thank you, Stugatz. I want to show Ron some video here of a mother cow showing gratitude to a human being

for helping her deliver a calf. I wanna know from Ron how many times he has seen something like this that is moving to him because you can tell that an animal is appreciative that a human being, I have some frustrations with my own dog when I'm trying to help him and he doesn't realize that I'm trying to help him. So when an animal shows what feels like human gratitude,

am I being anthropomorphic and assigning human traits or are there human traits here, Ron? I'm sure there's some human traits there. The licking of the arm, you know, we equate it with hugging and kissing. More often than not, the animal is licking the salt from the sweat of the arm and is enjoying that salt, but it is still a form of endearment. You know, when animals groom each other, that is something that helps promote and fortify social bonding. So it is a form of bonding, but the licking a lot of times is inspired by the salt that comes out in the perspiration. Ron, I don't know if you've watched

the docuseries chimp crazy. He called her a whack job last week. He called her a total whack job last week. I thought you were making a face, I mean, on your skeptical of the animals. You don't believe in the animals the way I do. You don't love animals the way I do. I knew exactly where Ron was gonna go with that because animals that lick are often looking for sodium, and that's what they're doing.

So I was waiting for, like, here comes Dan, thinking, like, the cow's like, thank you kind sir for helping me deliver my calf. Look dude, they've been doing this for millions of years without us around. They don't feel gratitude about someone. Like a ruler. I'm sorry, no, I'm only.

But listen, listen, in all fairness, Dan, yes. I think he is showing some gratitude because first of all, normally speaking, an animal would not accept the presence of someone else when it's giving birth. That is a very instinctive time when they're protecting against anything. Obviously that animal feels very comfortable and secure with that person to be able to do that

shortly after giving birth, but it's a normal instinct is to protect their young. So by accepting that gentleman, it is in fact telling him, I trust you and I'm showing that comfort in my trust for you. I don't know, I mean, why you're lashing out at me, but I do believe it's because you feel like milk and all milk references are your exclusive domain

and that I'm just infringing on it because I'm talking about this cow being kind to a human being. Ron, do you think milk has brands? Do you have a specific brand of milk that you enjoy? I will say this. I have certain brands of milk that seem to last longer than others before they sour.

I don't know why that is. I don't know if it's the container they're in or whatever, but no, once the milk is cold, I'm good for it. What is the brand, do you know? His point is that no one knows what their brand of milk is. Borden. Ah, I love that milk.

Is it possible you're just drinking the milk at a different pace that week? No. Okay. No, there's dates on the cartons. There's, you know, top tier milk. Let's see if this horse here that we're gonna show Ron McGill,

tell me whether this emotional woman is being comforted by this horse here that we're going to show Ron McGill, tell me whether this emotional woman is being comforted by this horse. You see a woman crying here and the horse nearby appears to be hugging her. What is happening here, Ron? I do believe animals sense that type of sorrow. They sense sickness. I think the overwhelming majority of your audience, your listeners who have a dog or a cat know that if you come home and you're sick or you're in a really bad mood,

that animal tends to instinctively come up to you. I don't know if you've ever sat on the couch and you're not feeling well or you're upset and your dog comes and just places his head on your lap. I mean, these are things that animals, they sense. Understand animals have to survive through instinct not through necessarily Speaking a verbal language to each other So they are much more sensitive to these types of things and many times we as humans are so I turn I totally believe that

That horse is in a way comforting that woman. Yes horse shit Ron Wow Ron This is a terrible story all the way around that I imagine might find you conflicted. Zimbabwe and Namibia in southern Africa plan to slaughter hundreds of wild elephants and other animals to feed hunger-stricken residents amid a severe drought. Any way around that? Like, how does that make you feel? It's a horrible feeling.

But at the end of the day, Greg, and I know I'm going to make people just get their withers up with me when I say this, people cannot starve for animals. It's survival of the fittest. Now, gratuitous hunting, trophy hunting, stuff like that. But if you're eating an animal to live, how can you condemn that?

I don't understand that. What we have to do is we have to help these countries, we have to help these people learn another way to sustain themselves. The trouble is we've got drought, we've got climate change that's creating all kinds of snowball effects on different things that people are having struggles

and animals are gonna suffer with that. But at the end of the day, there's no single animal life that's more important than a human life. And that's coming from someone who's dedicated my entire life to animals. But you know, I've said it over and over. If I'm in the middle of the Maasai Mara and the very last rhino in the world is there pregnant with the future of the species, and my wife and my kids are starving, and the only way I know to feed them is to kill the rhino, the rhino is going to die.

And I don't expect anyone who's a parent, a spouse, or any family that's gonna let a family member die from starvation so another animal can live. So we've gotta come up with other options with that. It's a hard situation, and hopefully it's gonna open some eyes. Hopefully a lot of the people say, oh, you can't, okay, give me an option. How am I going to survive?

I feel like there are animals that are more valuable than humans, though. Like, I feel like if I'm given a weapon and I have to either get rid of the unibomber or flipper Like I'm keeping flipper all okay, Billy. Okay. I said Billy Billy Blanket blanket statement of all you know humans You know what I meant, okay, I think you know what I meant. Okay, I think you know what I meant. I mean, I'm a firm believer that there are many more good people than there are bad people. So I try to look at the cup as half full.

And at the end of the day, there's certainly some bad apples out there. But that's far overshadowed by a lot of the goodness. Just we don't hear enough about the goodness. We like to sensationalize the bad and, you know, get on these whack jobs that are doing all these crazy things out there and yeah Yeah, a lot of those I'd shoot before I shoot the rhino in a heartbeat. I wouldn't eat him though also Billy I urge you to do your research on flipper a real sorted history there Oh put it on the pole, please at lebatard show. Are there more good people than bad people?

Would you say to me? Yeah. Well, I want to ask before I answer that question it's an excellent question, I'm glad you asked it. I do want to ask Ron something specific from Chimp Crazy that the crazy, the kook as you called her. Wack job. Pardon me, the whack job. You said it. Was feeding the chimpanzees like happy meals and stuff like that. I would have thought that an animal like a chimpanzee would reject eating, I mean, that kind of stuff, but they seem to like it. I'm not saying it's good for them. I'm saying, isn't it weird that they develop a palate?

You have to equate the mentality of these animals very much to a child. If you give a child candy and popcorn and all these things that basically stimulate taste buds, what are they gonna do? They're gonna eat it. Okay? They don't know any better. They're gonna eat it just like any animal will eat things that are bad for it if it's loaded with sugar, loaded with different types of things that are basically created to stimulate hunger. Right. And that's what's

happening there. I guess my question is like, how is that applicable across all species? Could you feed all animals food that they would not indigenously be attracted to? Yes, yes. There are certainly foods that you can feed animals that they would love to eat just because of how it appeals to their taste buds, though it's not necessarily healthy for them.

And it's not necessarily something they would naturally find okay. You know if we live down in the forest we're not gonna find lollipops out there okay we're not gonna find ding-dongs and yodels and things like that so you know but if you're if you give them to me out there oh I want to eat it and I want to like it. Yankees are both struggling this season the dodgers might run out of pitching no matter how high how high their payroll is they might run out of the chile tiny might end up pitching in the postseason nobody's talking about it

have you guys ever heard the phrase get their withers up because that's something that ron said earlier and it's not a phrase i've ever heard you do put on the pole please at lebanon art show have you ever heard anyone say, get their withers up? Because I don't know what that means. You work with words for a living, Greg. Do you know what it means? I don't. It sounds like something my grandpap might've said.

It's just a very old phrase. The withers are the top of the shoulder of a horse, and when a horse gets upset, he starts bucking and the withers go up, so it's knocking you off. Wow. I never heard that. I'm sorry for my ignorance.

Hey, Greg, did you get your haircut for your birthday coming up? Because you look like you're clean shaving back there. Yeah, thank you. You're looking good, Greg. Can't wait to see you on Saturday night, brother. I forgot to mention this. Let's talk about this for a second.

Greg, what's going on with your guest list on Saturday? This has been a source of great controversy Who got invited from here who missed the guy? How much how much trouble do you have for your 70th birthday? I'm sorry. I should have brought it up. I just noticed the haircut. I look good. Yeah. Thank you Ron Whoever was not invited blame my wife. She was totally in charge of the the guest list Whoever was invited will be happy to see you there. Is there controversy? Has this been uncomfortable? Instead of pleasant and happy, has it been

something that has been fraught with peril? Well, it's been fraught with anxiety more than peril because it isn't just this show where some people were left out, some people were invited. It's in my everyday life. You know, I always say that in the baseball hall of fame, there's a hair width difference between the last player to make it and the first player left out. And likewise, for a party invite, I regret not being able to invite everybody I know and like.

But that's just the way it is. You seem sad though. Do they make bacon like my wife does? No, that's why I'm inviting. She better bring some bacon. You're not getting on that boat without bacon. What's happening? Rita's bacon.

It's the best on the land. How do you know? I've been privy to it. It's the best bacon I've ever had, and I know my bacon. I've never been to a party with a bacon cover charge. Well, we're going to have bacon or not. Well said. You thought you had a great dismount there and you didn't really have anything to say. Or not. Yeah two questions that I get asked a lot. There's no dress code okay it's a clothing optional yacht.

Baby! Number two. Bring your own bacon. It's exactly right. Number two it's a clothing optional yeah baby number two bring your own bacon it's rain that's exactly right number two it's rain or shine because I know the weather might not cooperate rain or shine baby how's the booze situation it's top shelf we're good open open oh yeah you think that Greg Cody's gonna throw a 70th birthday party and you're gonna have to give like $7 per drink? A cash bar. It's rain or shine for Greg, it's just shine for me. I mean, I gotta be honest.

If it's raining, no. Are you showing up, Stu Gost? I will see, I'm getting to it. DraftKings has you plus 150 to show up and I might take the other. Yeah, it's the spread. I go the other way, Greg, I won't. Wait, is a mean going?

A mean, did you get the invite? Oh, of course I got the invite. Oh, thank goodness. It was awkward. You think I'm talking about open bars about something that's hypothetical? I wanna play for Ron this video of what appears to be an elephant testing an electrical fence

before trying to cross and ask him some questions about how animals deal creatively with man-made barricades. What do you make of this, Ron? Obviously, you've told us before that the elephant is unbelievably smart. The idea that this elephant has been shocked by an electrical current before and is testing this electrical current. What are you laughing about, Ameen? I just imagine the last time the elephant would try to walk through a fence, like, yes!

Yes, yes. And now he's like, whoa, hold on. Yes, yes. Wait a second. He keeps testing it. Have you seen something like this before, Ron? Oh, I have. I've seen it with elephants.

I've seen it with horses. I've seen it with a lot of animals. But you can see this animal is incredibly intelligent by realizing if I can push on the wood, I don't need to touch the wire. So I mean, he did obviously test the wire and obviously walk over the wire, but that shows you how incredibly intelligent

that animal is. I wanna play another video for you of two monitor lizards wrestling on a beach and ask you some questions about the greatest fights for domination that you have seen. People are always asking you who would win in a fight between this animal and that animal. These monitor lizards seem to be facing off in a fight

that felt like the last UFC fight where it's just. A little boring, Dan. Usually they're in a hallway. I didn't know that they were, oh my God, hold on a second. Let me. See ya. No, I wasn't gonna send him, no. It's. This is. on a second. Let me. No, I wasn't gonna send him, no. It's. Wow.

It's a whole monitor. Not really showing a lot of conflict there, Dan. It seems, that's the way I kind of hold my wife on the. Yeah, I didn't. I thought it might have been making love as opposed to fighting. What was that? It's Rocky and Apollo.

That's actually two males looking for dominance. And that's the way they don't bite each other. They don't go after each other's claws. They literally try to wrestle each other as one goes on top of the other, try to get one down. It's a very non-violent type of struggle that just shows power as opposed to fierce force. And a lot of animals do that, rattlesnakes do that.

You'll see rattlesnakes, they'll intertwine, cobras do that, they'll intertwine and they wrestle up in the air, one trying to pull the other one down and that's how they decide who wins without biting, without inflicting any kind of long-term injury. When you talk about, I mean, Aaron Judge, he's someone who has a great eye at the plate, but Bobby Witt's chase rate, it's way higher yet. He leads the league in hitting. He leads the league in hitting he leads the league in hitting Ron thank you for being on with us we appreciate the time sir it is a great pleasure as always and

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