The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: The "First Name I Think Of" Metric

Episode Date: August 5, 2024

We're in Stugotz's wheelhouse: debating the merits of someone making the Hall of Fame. After Devin Hester's speech this weekend, Stu says Hester made a mistake by advocating for Josh Cribbs. In response to Stugotz's take, Dan one-ups him by saying kickers and punters should not make the HOF but have an outhouse behind the Hall. Then, a discussion about Bill Belichick and Tom Brady's media careers leads us to predictions about BOTH of them returning to NFL games sooner rather than later. Plus, Beetlejuice characters arrive in our studio, Mike Ryan heads to the therapy couch, Vince Vaughn explains why R-Rated movies have tailed off, and the crew shares movies that surprisingly made them cry. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Trademarks owned by Becle. SAB, the CV. Copyright 2024. Proximo. Jersey City, New Jersey. Please drink responsibly. This is the Dan Lebatore Show with the StuGuts Podcast. Let's have this Devin Hester conversation because StuGuts is in his wheelhouse in a couple of different places and Hall of Fame, should you be in, should you not be in? This is something that, it is rivers of content on God Bless Football. It is something that pays for Stu Gotz's luxurious life because he likes talking about whether someone

should be in the Hall of Fame or shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. Football Hall of Fame, you treat with more respect than the basketball Hall of Fame, Football Hall of Fame, you treat with more respect than the Basketball Hall of Fame. Well I do, I mean they put the right people usually into the Football Hall of Fame. I mean, there are many people in the Basketball Hall of Fame that have no business being in a Basketball Hall of Fame.

As passionate as you've been in 18 months, it's for some reason mad that Joe Mauer is a first ballot Baseball Hall of Famer. But you don't complain a whole lot, as far as I can remember, about who is or isn't in the football Hall of Fame. And this weekend, the Steve McMichael thing felt a little heartbreaking and generous and kind

to somebody, I don't know how much of the audience knows who this person is, but seeing someone who was that kind of a menace ravaged by ALS and Boogshambee does great work with ALS, Tom Haberstro does great work with ALS, it is an uncommon prison of horror that you would not wish any of that among on anybody you care about to have life slip away like that. So from his home he he was inducted into the hall of fame and it was just hard not to be ravaged by that but that's not what you want to

talk about you want to talk about another chicago bear you want to talk about devin hester kick returner should he be in the hall of fame you say no no i think i think that it has to actually should be in the hall of fame i think where he got carried away was during his speech he said hopefully this opens the door for guys like josh cribs josh cribs is not a hall of famer devin has to you or josh cribs you are not okay he's not a hall of famer and i will start caring about the hall of fame the way i care about the other hall of fame is just groups gets in because he has no

business getting it he's not a Hall of Famer We talked about this with Siciliano earlier Eric Metcalf is more deserving because of the other things he did of making it to the Hall of Fame that Josh Cribbs so Josh Cribbs Devin Hester I'm telling you I caught up in the air get carried away He did not mean that and if he had the chance to take it back he would yes You don't think he was reading some prepared remarks? You think he erred by saying that? Why do you feel so strongly that Josh Cribbs isn't and Devin Hester is?

Because Devin Hester, I associate Devin Hester with the greatest kick returner, punt returner of all time. And I feel- But what's the metrics that you're using? Like your eyes? Or when you think? this is the metric because like Josh No up until recently Josh Cribbs had the most kickoff returns for touchdowns ever you asked the metric I'm gonna answer okay

When I think about punt returning and kick returning the first name I think of is Devin has that's not a metric That's it's my metric metric. Yeah, it's my Metric pretty high up. First thing I think. Don't you think it's a pretty good standard for no matter the position, even if you're a specialist, that if over the course of an era, you were at one of the first or two names that people would rattle off,

you should be a Hall of Famer regardless of the position. We're gonna run into this with Adam Vinatieri on the ballot. Hall of Famer. I think you should be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Yeah. You should be a first ballot Hall of Famer because the clutchness, the massive kicks, the fact that he was really good for a really long time, and over the course of an era, everybody would say that's the guy. But when I think kick returning, punt returning, the first name I think of is Devin Hester. second one is billy white shoes johnson i mean that's it billy white shoes johnson i've never once thought about just rips

billy white's and for any reason johnson i think he kind of a media on anything about just groups and like eight times when he was running it back for a her touch and now he was also into andrew siciano's Metcalf point. Josh Cribbs, I think was a more impact player on offense than Devin Hesser was. Well-rounded, more well-rounded. Billy White Shoes Johnson,

I don't know if he invented the celebration or the spike, but I associated him with a knock-knee dance of some sort that I believe, I think he's sort of created the end zone celebration pioneer yet but but the metric that still got to using that is not a metric which is when i think of hit uh... kick returns uh... i think of devin hester and therefore that's the only hall of famer i'd like to put that off to the side for a second and return to it because

i do like that because i think i side with Stugats on this your numbers be damned. Thank you. But because that's how people do the Hall of Fame like that is how they do it that's not how the voters do it that's not people with... That's how they should be doing it. I mean... I'm not taking anything away from Devin Hester by saying guys like Brian Mitchell guys like Josh Scribs they should be in this conversation too because they were if if you thought Hester was better okay but he wasn't much better okay but I'd like to put this off to the side for a second and have a different conversation I'd like to object vehemently to what you're saying about Adam Vinatieri all

I am willing to give you at the Hall of Fame for the Kickers is a place out back oh man that's disrespect really I okay with all due You're the best ever? Puncters as well? With all due respect. Good question. Because red guys in there. No, they can put whoever they want in the Hall of Fame. I'm telling you, in my Hall of Fame, you get a guest house out back, you can have a bridge between the two places, a walkway, a skywalk of some sort.

If you want to put in some, if you'd like to put in a little airport, what is What is one of those treadmills that gets them from place to place a walkway movie? No movie walkway But you're out back and you're closer to an outhouse than you are to a guest house. You guys don't play football You're important. I'm not saying that the rules don't make you important, but you're not playing football go in the back even Mark Boaz Lee everybody he won an MVP all of you so you're anti first ballot I am telling no I'm anti putting them in the place where the people collide put them in the back playing a different saying the structure itself is not connected to the house it's connected by a walk by a breeze way because they don't get a bus theater they can have a bust but it has to stay it has to remain in the guest house it can't come out in the front they get a bus it's because they don't get a bust eater? They can have a bust, but it has to remain in the guest house. It can't come out in the front.

They get a bust. Really? It's because they don't get hit? It's because they don't play football. Well, hold on a second now. So like, is there gonna be another house in the back for quarterbacks who now can't get hit? Like in the future?

Like this generation of quarterbacks can't get hit. I didn't make the rules. I understand you are making the rules. I understand what you're saying. I'm asking a question. The quarterbacks get the master bedroom of the Hall you're saying. I'm asking a question. The quarterbacks get the master bedroom of the Hall of Fame house. They get the master bedroom.

We say main bedroom now. Yeah. Thank you. Primary bedroom. Yeah, Dan. Different time, Dan. My bad. 2024.

My goodness. My bad. You never spent your COVID nights looking at Zillow, apparently. Added to the list of places where I was unaware that we were using dirt. May I learn that for the rest of my career just like that? I'm learning it in real time.

The main bedroom is what the quarterbacks get. Kickers, guest house. If you want to visit, walkway. You could bring your bus with you under your arm if you want. Can they visit the main house? The bus doesn't stay in the main house. Is there a pool?

Is it a pool house? Over the walkway, there's a pool, they can be in the pool, they can do... So it's like the Fresh Prince of Bel Air guest house. Like where Hillary lived. Yes. What if a kicker wants to go to the main house? Does the kicker need an invite from a quarterback? No, they can visit the main house. They just can't stay there

They have the amenities Pretty sweet deal and fresh prints pretty sweet Nobody Nobody else can get into the kickers guest house. Like it's not a place for anyone other than kickers snappers There are none of those in the Hall of Fame Yeah, like because they could be in the outhouse behind the kickers the long snappers there are none of those in the Hall of Fame that's a shame yeah like because they're the greatest ever. They can be in the outhouse behind the kickers the long snappers can they have collision contact. They have a lot of equipment. The shed is even better.

Not so much anymore. The shed is even better because the outhouse is ancient. Does Ed Perry get in? Is it a woodshed? Wow right next to the wheatwacker. If things go poorly inside the main house they take them out behind the woodshed Yeah, I got what you were doing there cuz that Perry was also te3 te2 sometimes Yeah, but he can't be in the Hall of Fame for anything. He did as a tight end No, but as a long snapper. Yeah, he was a name that name can be in I'm okay with what Roy You think long snapping the H a Ryan point brand the shed that there's some rust on it There's my bleach put a point brand the shed that there's some rust on it did my

glee to put a kid in the shed once I believe I believe that was Craig James's Craig James's complicated legacy yeah that one was I don't know what of it what the real story was there but I'm pretty sure skipper or ESPN got sued by something that happened there so good work Billy I'm pretty sure Skipper or ESPN got sued by something that happened there. So good work, Billy. I'm pretty sure it's an outhouse that I have to put the long snappers in, but the long snappers aren't, it's empty. That's a shame. You'd agree that if you were the best at something in NFL history, if I was the greatest long snapper in NFL history, I belong in that building or at least adjacent to the building. So the shed, who goes in the shed? The in that building or at least adjacent to the

building so the shed who goes in building that doesn't have a living facility even though the owners told us that there would be a living an assisted living facility over there and they had all sorts of fanfare and press releases and then the owners just up and decided hey we're not going to fund this anymore here's an amusement park instead an assisted living facility would go to some old players I don't know what position it is that they would play. That would also be on the property. But the shed, what goes in the shed,

because I believe there are broadcasters and writers and others that are also in the football hall of fame. Who do we put in the outhouse? There are no long snappers in the hall of fame. You're putting Peter King in the outhouse? I mean, that's damn. What are you doing? Frank the Ford? But I was asking about the shed. I don't know whether Ihouse. I mean, that's Dan. What are you doing? It's Frank the Ford.

I was asking about the shed. I don't know whether I put- Shed, that's better. I think they all belong in the same building. Next to the head trimmer. I think people can read the plaques and realize, oh, this person didn't get hit that much. I will, in my own mind, take inventory of that.

You gotta get hit some. I understand Billy's point about the quarterback. They've changed it more. I don't mean to throw a wet blanket on this, but if you read about Bernie Kozar the other day and what football has done to his body, the quarterbacks deserved their spot in the Hall of Fame. The kickers gotta go out back.

Yeah, no, I think Billy's saying Mahomes, not a Hall of Fame. Well, I know. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Billy did not say that. Well, you said quarterbacks that are playing these days. No, I asked Dan if by his standards players not getting hit Tom Brady They changed the rules all for Tom Brady. So you're saying he shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame

That's a hotter take than his Simone Biles take today. I did not you're running with that take you guys You said well, no, that's not what I said. I heard it. We all heard you Times asking the questions just asking a question If they should have a separate house. That's all I'm asking. You sent Tom Brady to the Kickers guest house. I would never. I would never.

You said he doesn't get hit. No, I didn't say that. That is what you said. No, I said present day quarterbacks. He's not presently a present day quarterback. Two weeks ago. He's going to play this season. You don't think he's going to come out of the booth

and play this season? Finally. He kind of had a statement that was a little bit like, come get me. You and Stu Gotz have been saying for five years he's coming back and now that I'm putting him in the Hall of Fame and you're trying to take him out, now he's done?

No, no, because I want him in the main house. You're trying to put him in a separate house if he comes back. Those are the rules. If a team that is competing for a championship suffers a quarterback injury. And we're not crazy about their backup situation. Tom Brady essentially said in that situation,

I'm open for business. Rock Purdy, you better work on your conditioning. That's the guy. If Dak gets hurt this season. He better not for his sake. Do we know what ever happened to the ownership stake and the Raiders? Cause that kinda like.

I don't think that was ever finalized. Did it ever finalize? I don't know. Because if it got finalized it would be more complicated because he would have to divest. Jerry Jones is all in at his age. They start two and three and Dak gets hurt. It's Belichick and Brady who are going to be coaching and quarterbacking your Dallas Cowboys.

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It's a stable job. I'm ready to pack it in. I've got a lot of good football left in me. My footwork is underrated. I can step up in the pocket with the best of luck. No one can stand the field like me. But wouldn't it be nice to be around the family more often and not have to worry about any injuries? Babe, just give me one more season.

Stogats. Tell you what, I'm not going to therapy. I'm not. Therapy is not happening. Sorry. You need to work on you. There's one person pulling the rope for this family right here and it's Mike Glennon. This is the Don LeBattar Show with the Stugats. I think Lovin actually had a take on on Bill Belichick's media career that I hadn't really considered.

I know that this very busy schedule of his is really just him angling for his next job, a public perception. McLovin had very inspired takes in that he was like, well, this is a little strange that a dude that was so not media friendly just gets welcomed in with open arms just be the guy but can we trust you with football analysis? What's your agenda? Are you actually going to be critical? Are you only going to be critical of the jobs that you want? How is this going to work? I can trust Belichick. I mean we've been trusting John Fox for years. The reason we're so excited is the coach with this resume

is never available to broadcast. It was Parcell's problem. It was the last one. No, but there has never been in the history of coaching, not Jimmy Johnson, not anybody. There's never been somebody who gets all the broadcasting jobs and gets to lord over with giant voice, your every Sunday, because he's in so many places

and anyone he criticizes is gonna get aggregated and feed the media machine on a job that you just saw how JJ Reddick used it. You could just dump a media career. No, I wanna go do this. You kidding me? Like, Bill Belk. JJ Reddick was very critical often.

He didn't really pull punches. Do we think a dude that wasn't media friendly at all We'll give us what we're hoping for because Omaha's tapped into this It's why I'm super excited to have Tom Brady's live thoughts as a game is happening because I've never had someone that great Tell me what's happening. I've never had a coach this great way in week to week with five like weekly appearances Are you going to give me what I want? Which is you know honesty? Okay but let's let's parse this for a second Stugatz because we around here have been talking for a long time about what comparatively

to who Belichick and Brady are all of the people who are dominating the media space JJ Reddick, Pat McAfee, whoever's coming in here, all the smoke, all of the people who are coming in here, none of them have the pedigree that Manning has in the football space and now content space. Brady has, because Manning's over here just making quarterbacks and receivers for netflix like he's hit manning is being paid god-knows like seven hundred million over nine years for whatever he's going to make and bella check and brady want in that game like they want to be the ones who are the power brokers of not necessarily making all of the content but bella check is going to have

his voice remain in the game even though no one would give him the power to run a franchise he's going to remain relevant this season with whatever he's doing with media work that isn't to lose at this game he's playing where he's gonna he is going to control power in narrative through the media space to be able to see if he can get one of these good positions because he's not gonna end his career the way you think he's just gonna wander away to do media the rest of his life I mean he's 14 wins away from becoming the all-time winning winningest coach in the history

of the NFL look man these people are giant economies right they're not small economies well and now that the Bank of Japan raise interest rates but all collapsing Belichick's not doing what Brady and Manny are no Brady's all in Belichick is rent he's doing what Herm Edwards yes no I know what these guys are all trying to ruin Arizona State is control imagine Phil Belichick putting on one of those jerseys they're trying to control money and power. Like, they're, and, and- Well, no, I think you're dead on with Belichick.

He's trying to keep himself in the game, control the narrative, and stay relevant until he gets a job. So should, but, but if we're calling it out, do you think that the consumer at large is gonna meet Belichick's media, media appearances as, with any sort of skepticism? With any sort of wondering what is your agenda here?

Because it should be part of it, because by all accounts, he tried to get higher this off season, really wants to get this record, really wants to keep coaching. But none of this stuff is gonna be met with skepticism. My point is, even if it is, it doesn't matter. Noise around Belichick, whether it's Deflategate or not, like anything around Belichick in terms of noise

that keeps his name every week with us talking about it, the idea that the Giants have arrived at the media games, Stu Gott, and the amount of work Belichick's taking on, like the amount he's taking on, he's going to be everywhere. I would say, though, that if you're aware of what his agenda is, that doesn't mean it's going to be everywhere. I would say though that if you're aware of what his agenda is that doesn't mean it's gonna be less entertaining. In many

respects it could actually be more entertaining if you think that he has an agenda. I'll take a recent experience. Jesse Marsh was covering US men's national team soccer games. He wanted Greg Berhalter's job. Everybody knew they didn't like each other and it made for really captivating content because you knew come halftime if they were level at zero with Jamaica, Jesse Marsh was going to take a big steaming shit all over Greg Berhalter's performance and he did and it was great. So you'll be watching on a weekly basis to see who Belichick is unfairly criticizing because that's the job he wants. Or fairly. I'm coming out on

the other end of this. No it has to be unfairly for you to ask me this. As long as we can all acknowledge, because he's lived a pretty charming existence in the media space because everyone's just excited to have him here wondering how this is going to work out. But if we're all acknowledging that there is a bias and he's going to be going for certain jobs that he likes, I'm in on this. Be great if the Cowboys are three and out and he's like, I'm McCarthy. They should have won that game by 40 you think he's gonna go after coaches

I feel like I'm gonna do that coaching fraternity stuff where he doesn't really take shots at well We're gonna be curious to find out I the part that I find interesting about the economy of this to gods because you know I'm listening the other day at three o'clock in the afternoon and rich Gannon is doing a show on satellite radio because football breeds just a giant economy of stuff where Charlie Weiss is over here doing something because you can get these guys paid for anything. The idea that we're headed into a football season that can feel like pro wrestling because it doesn't matter what the content is as long as you're supplying it. Monday ratings are giant everywhere. What did Belichick say? What did Brady say? The Patriots are going to dominate

football while not being in it. Like they're going to be able to control everything that's being spoken about because they don't have to go to satellite radio where Rich Gannon is. they get all the best jobs and all The best platforms and Brady's coming in. I'll give you three hours on Sunday I'll give you a guest hit here and there and you're gonna pay me 375 million dollars to believe we're at that part of the timeline when I was growing up and all these old Steelers had TV jobs I was wondering like what did they do and then in the 90s, Jimmy, Michael Irvin, Aikman, they started getting all theirs. We're at that part of the Patriots story now,

where they're getting the jobs. But for now. But, but. Until they both come back and win a Super Bowl together. With the Cowboys. With the Cowboys. With the Cowboys, yes, bringing Jerry Jones into the mix. All in.

It is all professional wrestling now, though. Like, they can change that they've all realized what the media can do for them after not to not having a relationship these two guys after not having much of a relationship for twenty years with the media we don't know that you're anything they don't have to join the media anymore they create the media they are the media the calce's or their own media their own entity they control whatever it is

uh... messaging that they want to get out there it's in their kitchen the part that's ingenious about this though is that uh... you know how fascinated we are with the gossip drama and transaction you've got a coach lording over the proceedings who couldn't get a job who's fourteen victories from being the winningest coach of all time There's no way that he sits out the rest of his career He's gonna be looking for a prime spot and on top of that you have the absurdity of a 45 year old quarterback Every time he talks to Jim Gray saying I'm never gonna say never

It's like what what so Brady's Brady's going to feel the itch. It's a spike 11 games into the season. He's going to say, I don't know. Somebody's somebody's seven golf went down. Somebody's seven and four and they're close and I can just get in there and play seven games. Kim Brock pretty throw a slant if he's looking over his own shoulder. game rock pretty throw a slant if he's looking over his own shoulder that's gonna be hanging over the whole season oh Brady's like really regretting that one because the Niners made overtures like damn he could I could have done it

against my homes again I bet you he wishes he had that one back. Well, he could get it back. Like, here I am downing him out like, oh, you missed your window, Tom. One hit away. Your windows. For all I know, five years more from now. It's going to happen. It's going to be Brady and Belichick in Dallas. And their season's going to be ended by one of those kickers that I wouldn't put in the outhouse behind the Hall of Fame. I'm watching the Summer Games and I can tell you that with all the blood, sweat and tears that these athletes lose during competition, they need all the hydration that they can get.

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I mean, I met my quarterback. Yeah, as you know. As you know. Stugatz didn't talk to Aaron Rogers. No. Stugatz thought country music superstar Jake Owen was Aaron Rogers. They had a 20-minute conversation.

Identical twins. I mean, Jesus. Stugatz. Listen, I mean, Jesus. Stugats. Listen, I will never have the relationship with Aaron Rodgers that I have with the guy that I thought was Aaron Rodgers. So the way that... I mean, that is the greatest conversation

I've ever had with my cornerback. This is the Dan LeBattar Show with the Stugats. I don't know about you guys, but I love the original Beetlejuice movie and I'm very much looking forward to Tim Burton's reprisal. There aren't many of these that I look forward to because most sequels that are made are not for me and I tend to generally say oh don't make another one of those you got It right the first time but it's got a ton of star power they're trying to do it big with Winona Ryder and Willem Dafoe and Michael Keaton is going to come back and

Justin Theroux is a part of it like they're not messing around with what they're trying to do and for people of a certain age they're trying to do and for people of a certain age that movie quirkily made is hard to understand how it gets made if not for the giant creativity of all the things Tim Burton is because you just saw something come to life in the original that was unlike most movies you'd ever seen as most Tim Burton movies are but how do you guys feel in general about Beetlejuice being reprised? I'm super excited for Beetlejuice Beetlejuiceice. I won't say it one more time, but my wife and I watched this movie annually. It was a brief re-release in a local theater and we went and that's how we celebrated Halloween, watched a re-release of Beetlejuice. This is very high on the rewatchability rankings for me. It's a very original film and Michael Keaton's performance and it brings it all the way home in a moment

Of vulnerability I had this with Mike the other day when I hadn't seen twister the original and I went to watch it and me And Mike bonded over the the new you know, the twister. I haven't really seen Beetlejuice really Yeah, I've seen like of it like I've seen like clips of it online and stuff But I've never sat down and watched the actual movie. I mean embarrassed to admit this, but I hadn't watched Interstellar start to finish. I'd only watched bits and pieces. I haven't had a reaction to a movie like that in my entire life. Not since White Fang. I've told you that I cried during White Fang when Ethan Hawke is yelling at White Fang, Go on, get out of here. Go! When he's trying to protect White Fang from everything. And I cried when I was a little kid

then. Seeing that as a father of a daughter, waterworks, waterworks, tears streaming down my face. I think he's Sir Christopher Nolan now, is he? He should be. If he's not, he should be. We haven't had a filmmaker come along like this, not since Tarantino, that just like totally shocked I think he's Sir Christopher Nolan now, is he? He should be. If he's not, he should be. We haven't had a filmmaker come along like this, not since Tarantino, that just like totally shocked this. He's a genius. It is hard to believe. Not unlike Tim Burton.

It is hard to believe the things that Christopher Nolan tackles in scope and size, the degree of difficulty is so far reaching as it's hard to fathom. I then watched something immediately afterwards called the science of interstellar. Let me tell you something. If you yourself haven't listened to Matthew McConaughey, try to explain interstellar travel to you while you're three gummies deep.

Whoa! How did you make, how did you make, how did you make Beetlejuice about interstellar though, because we've got the- Well, he made it about Twister. Christopher Nolan's a CBE by the way what is that so it is CBE and OBE kind of like John Amici John Amici's an OBE which one's better OBE or CBE well Christopher Nolan has a sir in front of his name so I think CBE is

better so that's that's official knighthood yeah they did that right now after I pounded the table for it. But again, though, we weren't talking about... Bureaucracy there works way different. No, it's just the thread, Dan. Like, I had never seen Beetlejuice, I saw Twister, and then Twister, we went through there. So many in our audience are probably watching us right now having not watched Beetlejuice, because, you know, if you're younger, Tony's younger and he missed out on that,

don't circle back to it. It holds up practical effects. And I got very excited when I read that this movie is going to bring back practical effects. Everything's so CGI these days. Mike, the combination of gummies, and I was talking about Beetlejuice and you decided to make it about Interstellar

and Christopher Nolan. And something called White Fang. Go ahead and check out the therapy couch. Wow. What? You've been on even lately. You've somehow, you wanna be with us, but you don't wanna be with us topically.

You wanna go off on your own. No one wants to be with me. I mean, I threw out the old NFL vets that were promised something, and then I guess, I hadn't read it, like the owners just said, dad, we'll take all the fanfare, allfare all right fine I was trying to chum the waters I didn't even believe I didn't even believe in that Bill Belichick

segment that's I had no belief in all right therapy couch therapy couch talk to the therapist all about it and thank you for all of your good work around here as I will ask the I will ask the rest of the crew do you have a movie that you would give me that you're embarrassed that you cried during you didn't know what was going on in your life. You just started crying and you wouldn't want to admit it. This is a question I love asking the toughest of our athletes for many years, Dugats. Like a movie that might surprise us that you cried during. Because I'm ashamed to admit, there's legitimate shame as I say this, but years ago, at least

in part because of the time in my life I don't even remember the scene ratatouille got me. I saw yeah, it got me out. I was just watch which part I don't even remember Ratatouille I don't he's like spoiler alert you taste the ratatouille. That's the whole movies He's tasting around to take them back to his childhood. Then I really don't even remember the scene I just remember the shame involved with how is it that this damn cartoon got me? I'm alone in my house. I'm 47 years old.

Like what is happening here? You're a cartoon rat. It's happened to something though. As you get older, man, those things happen. Does it happen to you? Do you have one? Oh, I've left in like sitcoms. I've left, you know, I've watched full house and I laughed at a speech that.

But laugh? I'm not talking about- I'm sorry. I've cried when Bob Saget is having a serious conversation with the kids on Full House. And the music plays. It brings me back to a time. It's a punitive measure for a pretty good idea, I thought.

And I've been wanting to talk ACC for three months and no one will let me. It's just, I'm running out of, running out of patience and generally hurt by it I came in with like I was really bought in on the on the team type atmosphere we were trying to build today you were saying to God the Last Dance is another movie I cry every single time I'm embarrassed but when Jordan wins that six then you know he's hobbling around and you know it's the last dance you know everyone knew it was the last day that's what the name of the movie right it just makes me weep it does I, he retired too early. I mean, we were robbed, we were.

Roy, do you have something that you have cried during a movie that you would admit to us that would bring some shame to you? I see your eyes are darting around. Are you trying to decide whether you have had it happen or whether you're trying gonna deflect because you're always big, tough, bravado guy and never cry? No, there's no deflection.

I know what the movie is. It's Saul, the Jamie Foxx pixel movie What happens? Well, Jamie Foxx's character dies and he's trying to get back in the real world That's sort of thing. I mean that was a pretty emotional movie spoiler alert. Did someone die? Did this happen to you a beetle juice dan? Is that what you're asking? No. Oh, no Uh, did did do you have one for us? Do you have uh, i'm trying to think of the last time I cried in a movie um Maybe

The gerard butler vehicle ps. I love you really really yeah Yeah, because he leaves he leaves her a video and a note because he's dead, right? Right, and then she opens the note and reads it and then has the video and then he sets up very The the plot holes in the movie You know they come to life after you've seen it for a little bit not a great movie it's like how does this guy a year in advance set up all these different things for his wife or his girlfriend whatever it was but there was a moment that got me here but that movie it seems like the idea of that movie is to make you cry is it not sure I think Dan's looking for a movie where you

weren't expecting to cry that you actually I don't Think I've ever I've cried in any other movie huh ever ever like PS. I love you at like 17 Really got me and that was kind of it college game day Rinaldi I mean ugly tears weekly tears. Yeah, how about Rudy? I mean never seen Rudy what what you're actually not missing out I mean never seen Rudy what what you're actually not missing out Without it like I'm good Rudy's not back if Rudy one of the most overrated it's a proper game the film if you're Yeah, but when they're seen it when the custodian he finally gets into a game and the custodian who housed him inside the stadium says I'll be there if you ever play he lived inside the stadium. He did he lived in the custodian's office Yeah, Rudy no not run boy. Did he he let him stay there for a little bit. He gave in the custodian's office. Not Rudy, no, not Rudy. Well, he did. He let him stay there for a little bit.

He gave him the key. He left him the key, remember, right? And then Rudy finally plays and he's walking out and he's fist pumping. If you're not crying then, man, I'm telling you, you're not alive. Rudy is overrated. Wow.

Propaganda films. Jesus, it's Notre Dame propaganda. Put it on the poll, please, Juju at Levitard Show. Is Rudy a propaganda film? Is it not? What's the argument against it? No it is. You don't think it's overrated? Well, Notre Dame, yeah. I'm saying it is.

You don't think it's overrated? I'm saying it's both overrated and a propaganda film. It's ridiculous. It's total nonsense. It's just people want to believe in Notre Dame and you can hit all the heartstrings with all the sports things by just putting an underdog in there and telling a story that would never happen. That would never happen in that form, that wouldn't be true in any way, and would just be almost entirely fraudulent to lift up the spirit that all of us want to believe in, which is the tiny guy

wouldn't get totally trampled and have all his ligaments torn by a giant athlete's cement mixer rolling over him. And Vince Vaughn as a football player? Well thank you for bringing up Vince Vaughn as a football player. Yeah. Well thank you for bringing up Vince Vaughn. Did any of you bring or see him on Hot Ones? Hot Ones is one of the great simple ideas in the history of television. It is so smart.

It is for sale or has it been already sold? It seems like a great, just an inspired idea. There are not many of these that we have had, an easy, recreatable idea that celebrities all want to be a part of two market their latest thing and they just sit in front of the host whose name escapes me and they uh... eat hot things and then try to get through the interview what did uh... what happened with this bond corner brian heads uh... has

uh... resurrected himself for all to see in a way that was not not i love him and he never went anywhere for me but on hot ones a whole lot of people discovered Conan O'Brien so BuzzFeed I think has been taking in offers because they're they're trying to sell hot ones hot ones great concept great light watch light watching it appears on fast channels we appear on a fashion on DraftKings Network there's entire fashion dedicated to just hot ones reairs. And I've been watching some of those things, but Vince Vaughn made news because he was recently on an episode of Hot Ones. He's

promoting an upcoming show that he did with our good friend Bill Lawrence on Apple TV that I'm excited to see. So they, as you do during Hot Ones, Sean's asking you a question and you respond while you're eating very spicy foods. Did Bill Lawrence ever come here with Vince Vaughn? Because before I left, I was told Vince Vaughn may show up today. And then we were just waiting around and then Roy said, no, he may come up at some point in the next few weeks. So Vince Vaughn did not appear last week. We have a range of dates now. September 3rd through the 5th is the date that Apple gave him. Okay. We got double-plucked. We couldn't have him in today. We have a Beetlejuice segment that we're doing. Regardless, you were saying Mike. So he

was asked about R-rated comedies and Vince Vaughn, I mean he had a great epic run in R-rated comedies about 20 years ago and everybody got really close like Wedding Crashers 2 got close to being made. And I think right before they were about to start production on it, they decided we're not going to do this. So we've all been wondering where the great R-rated comedy is going. And a lot of people kept using the same excuse. Times have changed, everyone's PC.

But it's two different letters put together that Vince Vaughn was really concentrating at. And he put it on IP, that Hollywood is obsessed with IP so here's Vince Vaughn on on hot ones explaining why those great R rated comedies are no more. Hollywood no longer making the kinds of R rated wide-release theatrical comedies that were such a tower of strength in your career. How have you seen Hollywood's interest in making those kinds of films change over the course of your career? And what do you think are the forces at play?

Well, they just overthink it. And it's like, it's crazy. You get these rules. It's like if you did geometry and you said 87 degrees was a right angle, then all your answers are messed up instead of 90 degrees. So there became some idea or concept like they would say something like you have to have an IP. Right. So for some reason Battleship, which is like a game we used to play like a graph, became a vehicle for storytelling. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, I know. It's so weird. Whereas like an IP like John Hughes from our neck of the woods, right? An IP was a girl's turning 16. Like every girl turns 16 or I'm gonna cut school. You know, life situations or old school. What if I got to go back and, you know, be in a fraternity now at this stage of the game? The people in charge don't wanna get fired more so than they're looking to do something great.

So they wanna kinda, you know, follow a set of rules that somehow, like it's set in stone, that don't really translate. But as long as they follow them, they're not gonna lose their job. Because they can say, well, look, I... I crunched the numbers. Yeah, I made a movie off the board game Payday,

so you can't, even though the movie didn't work, you can't let me go, right? So people wanna laugh, people wanna... You look at stuff that feels a little bit like it's, you know, dangerous or pushing the envelope, and I think you're gonna see more of it in the film space sooner than later, would be my guess. The music underneath.

Yeah. A bit much, right? Dramatic, yeah. Eat some wings. Rudy-esque. That's it, make me laugh. Make me a bicycle clown. A bit much. I mean, what is he talking about? Seriously. So you guys weren't listening to anything he was saying? It was a bit long. I mean, it trailed off there at the end. Did you not? The music had to be there just to keep me focused on something, right?

Okay, so you stopped listening the way that Roy, what were you laughing about during the end of what Vince Vaughn was saying? The guy sitting in my ear, what is he talking about? Which is what he repeated on it. They weren't listening and so the music distracted them. It distracted them. You all have 14 seconds of attention span. He's great. Well he said something interesting there that I don't.

He did? Yes, well you weren't listening, Stugant. It was confusing. A needle in a haystack, you know. In the middle of it, he did say that the leadership that we are presently seeing throughout creativity is a bunch of people who don't want to get fired instead of people who are trying to make something great, which brings us all around to the original Beetlejuice and Tim Burton, who dares to make great things.

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