The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: The Foundation of Americana

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

"You used to walk around the house and you'd have a load in your pants." The death of the penny is upon us, and Greg Cote is mourning. Also, the disrespect of spitting on another human being, the Draymond Green heckler, and, somehow, a debate of whether or not the fan who approached Jimmy Butler in his car to yell at him about his bet "crossed the line." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I expect at this age with the beating he's taken as the Raven's career leader in touchdowns for body parts to fall off and WD40 to be required because things are creaking. But not, tush push fake and he just lumbered 35 yards with the ball. get to a couple of things here. The Jalen Ramsey, Jamar Chase, spitting incident, Draymond Green, being Draymond Green, a gambler confronting Jimmy Butler. But before we get to any of those things, the Greg Cody Show featuring Greg Cody. With? Is now out, and in it, he laments, and Chris told me he got sad in a way that made him emotional. He laments the death of the U.S. petty, the U.S. penny. Yes. It proves he'll get emotional about

anything because he had Yeti make a, like, I don't know if Yeti did it on his own, I don't know how it came to be, but Yeti made a song about the death of the penny and you, if you watch our YouTube channel, you legitimately see my dad getting emotional. The penny takes, the penny costs more to make than it is worth.

Yeah, almost four times as much. Why is that emotional for you? Because the penny is one of the foundations of Americana. I used to collect pennies when I grew up in one of those little blue folders with a, you know, you'd slide a penny into the hole and that was a big part of growing up to me

was the scent. There's a little nugget here, though, that you're leaving out. It's not, you can still use the penny. Oh, it's in circulation. They're just not making new ones. Exactly. You could still pay for stuff with a penny, so it's like nothing is really changing.

They're like newspapers. It's the death of the penny, though. It's the death of the penny. I can still go to McDonald's and with 100 pennies, spend a dollar. fine do you have a hundred pennies no because nobody collects pennies anymore all right put it on the poll at lebitard show is the penny one of the foundations of americana look the whole idea of nobody carries change anymore you know walking around everybody used to have a load in their pants you know you'd reach in your right pocket you'd reach in your right pocket there'd be a handful of coins and now nobody carries a coin anymore you know what you did and the penny is part of that do you know what you did what's that the load in the pants yeah I think you. Correct. Do you guys want to celebrate the Penny and song?

Oh, I sure do. Do we? How do you feel about Yeti's song? Oh, that's the face that you're making. All right, let's hear a song on the Greg Cody show featuring Greg Cody. Let's hear a song that Yeti made about the death of the penny. The penny, of course, one of the foundations of Americana. Thank you. All right, that's enough.

What? You want to hear the song? It's on the Greg Cody show featuring Greg Cody. That's a good tease by you. Long as this intro. I do like that riff, though. All right, that's enough. It's a great song.

It's not a banger, right? It's a sentimental song, and appropriately so. Thank you, Yetty. I feel like I've lost. It sounds like Bounds away to me. I will only talk about the Giants and Packers in this way, because I thought Bart Scott had the best analysis

before the game. Before the game I thought he had the best analysis and it ended up coming to fruition which was just, you know, with James Winston, it's trick or treat. Now it was a couple of weeks after Halloween but it was still good analysis because it absolutely is

put it on the poll at Levitard show with James Winston. Is it trick or treat? And that concludes our Giants coverage, Packers' coverage, for the day. But let's talk about this spitting incident from this Steelers game. And I wasn't aware of this till yesterday. I did not know that the Steelers had a 300-pound tight end named Darnell Washington. I thought that their tight ends were Friermouth and Janu Smith. Thank you, the former Dolph.

ever seen Washington? Dude. Talk about a load. You are locked in. Yes. And Aaron Rogers is also locked in because he has eyes. He's got to be 300 pounds, right? He's not listed at 300 pounds, but he's got to be 300 pounds.

Easy. That guy in the open field was just wrecking people. He reminds me a lot, and probably Aaron, of Jermichael Finley. Just a giant put-together cut out of stone type of dude. They got him at 6-7-264, but that's... You want to talk about a load, Greg. That guy. Loading his pants?

Tell you what. Damn right. Jingle Jangle, right? So Jalen Ramsey, Jalen Ram's, I don't think Jingle Jangle is the same kind of load in the pants. It's just dawned upon me that he doesn't understand what a load means.

We're talking about coins in a pocket. He said he was doing it on purpose, but he was lying. I don't think so. Yeah, I think he was lying. He was gaslighting you. When you did load in the pants, we thought you knew what you were saying, but you were just saying change in the pants. But that's not what a load in the pants. You know about that jizz?

There's more definitions to what that means. What do you think I'm referring to a baby diaper? You know what? I'm not going to allow Mike Ryan to do that. That was obscene, right? Yeah, he's got a... Minor penalty, two minutes for a shit contribution. This will work out with the green shirt.

That's also a load of pants. Yeah, the green screen and the green shirt isn't going to work, so you can go sit in there and make bad television like you made bad audio. He was right. It's right. It's unnecessary. I don't need... Uncuth was what it was.

Yes. And I'll get to show. Shador Sanders in a second, but let's do Jalen Ramsey and Jemar Chase. What's going on with spitting on people? Like, what is happening? And Jamar Chase just lied about it afterward, and what should the penalty for this

be? He's going to get suspended. You think he's going to lose an entire game? Yeah, it already happened with a homeboy from... Jalen Carter. Yeah. But Jalen Carter was suspended for the game that he was in. He was ejected for the one game, right? Wasn't he also suspended after that? I didn't...

No, I believe he got... It was like early in the game. I think It was before a single play. Right. So I think he just, that game was the game. I think that got him suspended for the game. You think Jamar Chase is going to miss the next game. What is happening with people spitting? What happened?

So Jalen Ramsey punched him, right? And then and the referee, did the referee see that Jalen Ramsey had been spit on? No, he must not have. No, he get Jalen, the punch gets seen, Jalen gets kicked out, and then we of course see afterwards that it was all triggered by a spit. A big lugi that he said he didn't spit. You clearly see like. a massive spit pot flying through and hanging off his face.

We have the back and forth here. First, here's Jalen saying he did spit. He spit on me, so it's up. I don't get fucking out of football after that. Respectfully. He had an important caveat? Respectfully. You know what?

I think most people understand that, though. I think most people say, you know what? I'm with Jalen Ramsey on that. He's still on. It's up. I don't get fucking off a football after that. Respectfully. Which gets the point of gross better.

They respectfully or the quite frankly? Well, quite frankly, before Bleep You has a bit of song in it. Respectfully looks like he's just trying to dilute what he said before it. I think the quite frankly builds up and then Bleep U is the big punctual. And here's Jemar denying it, even though there's clear video evidence that he did spit. Just in clear, you did not spit on your life as he said. I don't spit on nobody. What a liar.

Massive hawker. Maybe he was just talking crap and like spit out. Not that amount of crap. So enthusiastic about what he's saying. Okay. but you guys are telling me, and I have not seen video or photographic proof of this, you guys are telling me that something was hanging from Jalen Ramsey's face mask. If that's the case, that's not spittle.

Like, that's not, that is from the throat. If it's something that's hanging, that's like a fern that's hanging from the face mask. Look how scary Mike looks right now. Wow. That's too. he's in a great yeah it's too big of a disrespect and I don't understand why it is that people continue to do this and I wonder if the penalties need to be stiffer because if you don't want things to escalate right like I think one of the things with punishments that is preventative is the consequences have to be to avoid escalation that's why he's going to get suspended and when you have like let's say whatever you you believe to be the greatest escalations in sports history, the malice at the palace, comes to mind. It starts with you throw a beer on Ron Artest. That action creates the escalation

that ends up in the biggest suspensions you see in the history of the sport. I think the suspensions have to be pretty stiff on this as a disrespect, because what can escalate after that can get a lot messier than what happened in that game. If your teammates see it, then I know that Greg, after the game that was marred earlier this season by punches being thrown after the game that involved the Lions, you were lamenting and you were saying that that had to be big suspensions. If other players on your team, see that you have a lugie hanging from your face mask and it's Jalen Ramsey who's feeling that level of disrespect that he tells you after that he's like football doesn't matter my job doesn't matter

my paycheck doesn't matter I'm on television doesn't matter my teams in the playoff hunt doesn't matter Aaron Rogers last year doesn't matter nothing matters after that like it's just not something that you can have in the sport you can't abide that level of disrespect In fact, suspending someone a game is something that matters in that sport when there are 17 games. But I do wonder if there are enough deterrence given the amount of spitting we've seen recently. It seems like there's not enough of a deterrent. Well, I think it's going to depend on the NFL really rethinking its whole punishment system and adding this. Because right now, it's the physicality that they're after.

In other words, if you spit at me and I punch you, I'm more liable for punishment. than you are, even though you started it. And my other question is... The ref couldn't have seen that there was spit, though. That couldn't have been seen. Otherwise, they'd both be ejected. But my other question is, what if the disrespect is spoken? What if instead of spitting at you, I say something that's really offensive to you?

I don't think there's anything that you could say, honestly, as disrespectful as that. Put it on the poll at Lebitard show. Is there anything anyone can say to you as disrespectful as spitting in your face? Folks, want to have some skin in the game? Put your money and award-winning bourbon where your mouth is. Whether you enjoy sipping it straight or mixing it in a cocktail, the true pros know larceny raises the stakes in flavor with every pore. With multiple awards between the two,

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He called me, on my own podcast, he called me full of shit, claiming that I'm faking interest in the solar eclipse. Well, you do do this. You love to just get excited about everything. Okay, junior. Stugats. I had to school you and explain to you. He was going to take you to Augusta.

When I was 17 years old, Alan Sherry and I used to haunt the Bueller Planetarium. This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugats. A clarification on the Jalen Carter situation. So he was suspended in the game that he was in, obviously kicked out. The NFL said, we're not going to suspend you for another following game after that. It was literally a whole game that he was kicked out. It was, again, one of the first plays of the game, basically.

No, it was before the first play. It was after the kickoff. Yeah, it was on the field. Yeah, Dak Prescott had just come out. But I would say, honestly, I'm not kidding about it. this. I'm serious about what I'm about to say. The punishment should be worse if the expectoration is worse. If there's a lugie hanging from your face math, like with Jalen Carter, there was some question about like, did he, didn't he? We got to go to the video. But if there's

a lugie hanging from your face mask, the punishment needs to be worse than that. So do you just have to leave the lugy hanging on your face and run to the referee and say, see, see, see? Yes. Yes. It takes a skill to spit through a face mask, I would imagine, because you've got to a bar here or a bar there. How do you have to raise your lips to, you know, it's weird. Guy who's never had his hand in the dirt. I don't like that from Greg Cody. I don't like that look. It's skillful though. Yeah, but you

got to know, you got to put a helmet on. Throw a hawker out there. Just like Dan last week, not a fan of having his hand in the dirt. Greg Cody is showing your ass right now. Okay, but I'm respecting the ability to spit through a face mat. I don't condone spitting, but I'm respecting the ability to accurately spit. Sounds like you're not condemning it either, though.

You ever spit on someone? I have not. Nor would I. Me neither. Nor what I, but if I do spit on someone, does it justify him punching me in the face? I don't think so. Respectfully. You get a disease from being spit on. You're thinking five years ago. Have you seen the spittoffs that they have in like the east?

They got rid of that. Respectfully. I never forget. It's a big breakthrough five years ago. What they did to us. So five years ago, I really. Us just just for the record. Okay.

I want you guys to now imagine Jalen Ramsey out for the rest of the season because of the disease that he got from the mouth of Jemar Chait. Yeah, yeah, pandemic. You kidding me? You spit during the pandemic. They put a white suit on you. You couldn't even see through you. Coughing just now is back. Jalen Ramsey out two weeks, spitting disease, right?

What is the disease you believe that people can get from spitting? just out of curiosity. Probably AIDS. A spytosis. All right. Respectfully. I mean, they should both be gone. You ask me.

Yeah, it's my mistake. I want to ask you guys this because I don't believe that there's any circumstance under which we're talking about the third string quarterback who's a fifth round pick on a terrible Browns team unless it's Shador Sanders. Like it's legitimately not in my lifetime, a story that I'm ever going to see talked about a great deal on a Monday after the weekend's games. How bad and unprepared did the fifth round pick, who's the third string quarterback for a truly terrible team? This is the only guy famous enough to have ever registered on anyone's conversation scale. He clearly wasn't ready. the Browns obviously knew he wasn't ready. He showed yesterday why it is that they thought he was not ready,

and yet I believe a lot of people will still be talking about him, even though he's an irrelevant person in the league. Can you hype up the crowd when you're running onto the field and then go four for 16 within your reception? That's tough. Yes, you can. It is tough. I rethought my position from a month ago where I was arguing,

arguing on behalf of the Lego helmets, Romeo Dobbs, when you drop the ball that much, you can't be wearing a Lego helmet. Like, you got to catch the ball if you're wearing the Lego helmet. I'm fine with you running around wearing the Lego helmet and not dropping the ball, but if you're going to drop the ball and look ridiculous with the Lego helmet, I'm going to, I'm going to be embarrassed on your behalf. Am I supposed to believe because the big story is that Shadur Sanders was completely unprepared and it's not his fault.

It's Kevin Sfansky's fault. because apparently he has not taken a single snap with the first team since pre-season. How could that be true if he goes into this game as the backup? Not a single practice snap with the first team and he's the backup quarterback? I mean, is that even reasonable to believe? Well, he was only the backup because Dylan Gabriel got a concussion. But wouldn't a backup, wouldn't every week a backup get some reps with first team? He's literally a play away from playing.

He was the backup. It was a backup once they got rid of Joe Flacco. I think the argument for not given Shador any reps as a number two quarterback on the depth chart is they took another quarterback in this draft class that was higher and that quarterback needs all the snaps that he can get with the first team. And clearly they've seen enough throughout their evaluation process that leads them to believe they have a better chance of winning with Dillon Gabriel than Shadour. And so probably they decided no snaps for Shador, all the snaps for Dylan Gabriel. I mean, I'm sure that's true. Like when the Dolphids threw Quinn Ewer's in there a few weeks ago,

like no one was saying he hasn't had a single snap with the first team in practice since training camp, right? I don't think anybody was making excuses for him at the time. And I imagine Quinn Ewers did get some first team snaps. I would think so. But it's also not the same situation. Tua doesn't need more practice snaps. Dylan Gabriel needs all of the practice snaps. He's not a veteran quarterback.

So just to correct things, because it's important that we get things right about all the bear's defenses, but also diseases spread through spitting, AIDS not one of them. That's right. So just to be clear. No, I said that. Double check on that. It was just. Double-checked. There aren't a lot of diseases that can be spread through.

Can find out those, though, if you'd like. No, but I said half jokingly, and it's true that during the height of the pandemic, if you sneezed in public, people looked at you crazy. Cawling was the real thing. Coughing, right. I'm a professional cougher. I know that. It was tough going through the pandemic coughing, believe me. Before we get to Bill Belichick being cold in the handshake with Wake Forest after the game,

after losing to Wake Forest, I do want to get to this Draymond Green story because we were just talking about Jamar Chase up and down lying, about spitting on a face mask where there was clearly a. Lugie. Draymond Green is also not telling the truth about whatever it is. What are the details I need to know about what he was reacting to in regards to Angel Reese? Yeah, so yesterday the Warriors were playing at the Pelicans. Boy, Pelicans are terrible, Dan.

The Warriors were at the Pelicans. Zion never plays, Dan. And they fired really green, their coach. So the Warriors, that's a rundown. Everything you need to know about the Pelicans. Things are going well in New Orleans. Keep interrupting yourself. I like that as a character.

A lot of parents. You know about them. So Draymond Green in the middle of the game walked over to, you know, behind the basket, he confronted a fan. And by the way, that fan is tall. They were nose to nose, all right? And Draymond Green and the fan are having a back and forth. And then eventually they get split up and the fan got warned, you know, don't do it again.

And so turned out what happened was Draymond Green was then asked after the game about the incident. I believe we have the video. So here was Draymond Green's explanation as to what made him confront the fan. What happened in the second quarter with that fan? Ah, he just kept calling me a woman. It was a good joke at first, but what you said? You can't keep calling me a woman. He can't keep calling me a woman.

Oh. Because he is, I'm going on the way. Can't keep calling me a woman. So, you know, he got quiet. So it's fine. Yeah, he just kept calling me a woman's name. I am not. The official came over, I mean, were you guys discussing?

Yeah, he just told me, I got it. I've heard him over and over again. You've had it a little well. Don't get yourself in no trouble, I'll take care of it. Courtney was great. Okay, so first, Jamon Green is saying that the fan kept calling him a woman, which you would think means one thing. Then eventually, he was called a woman's name.

Well, as it turns out, the fan was calling him Angel Reese. because he kept missing shots and getting rebounds and that's all he could do. He keeps missing layups. Being called Angel Reese and being called a woman are not the same thing

which is why Draymond Green never actually said what he was being called because it's stupid. He was offended because he kept missing shots and grabbing his own rebounds the way that Angel Reese does. So the fan was complimenting him

by calling the great offensive rebounders is what the fan meant in that situation. He was being called a woman. Well, come on. You know, there used to be a saying, I don't want to be the old... All right, I don't like where this is going. We don't want to do this.

I like where this is heading. Hold on. Not something he'll regret. Come on. The saying used to be six and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me. That's a good one, actually.

Somebody calls me a woman or called me Angel Reese. What am I supposed to do? Get all macho and punch things? guy? Come on. I need your support. You take an insult like a man and move on. You know the actual saying, sticks and stones? Like a man?

You know, or like a woman, as the case may be. Say the saying that you're talking about. What's saying? What do you mean? Sticks and stones? We'll break my bones, but words will never hurt me. I thought maybe you'd screw it up after saying it's a great saying. You know, I grew up with that saying. Well, you saw what say it.

Back when the penny mattered. Yes. The U.S. sent. Bring it back, Jack. Let's go. Go. He was not the only warrior who was, I'm not going to say, was this a confrontation, was Jimmy Butler?

What happened here? What happened with Jimmy Butler and a gambler before we get to this Bill Belichick moment? Jimmy Butler, the Warriors beat the Spurs twice with Steph Curry going crazy, with Steph Curry He's so good right now. I think he might be my MVP right now. Really? He might be my MVP of the day. Really?

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what Greg Cody said when MVP talk that came up. He just muttered under his breath, Norman Powell. Yeah, he's right. All right, let's hear and watch Jimmy Butler in the street having an interaction with a gambler.

I'm sure athletes love being in the street and hearing from gamblers or fantasy players on how they ruined everything. Green apple looking at that? Stupid, big-ass-a-tapped Tim's on. Jimmy Butler, man, they don't give a fuck you in that city. Look at him. Boat Pahin, look at that.

Yeah, right. I put $3,000 and went 30. Why you didn't have 30 purse? Jim and button up. Why you didn't not have a 30 purse? You were supposed to go over, bitch. You worked for Vegas. You worked for Vegas.

Seems reckless. That's a fair question. No, it is. Green Apple looking as, a good one. When up, Timberlands. You can't talk to people like that, man. Who do you think you are? Keep doing the impression.

I like it. Who do you? Keep using that voice. That's great. For those of you who cannot see this, Jimmy Butler is wearing, what is the color? It's somewhere between yellow and lime. Is it green apple? Like a pale green.

All right. It's garish. It's not, it's very colorful, I guess. It's a highlighter. It's a yellow highlighter after you've gone over black pen just one time. So it's just slightly darker than the yellow highlighter. It's got a little vomit quality to it. I like how Jimmy, he wasn't necessarily offended by the things the guy was saying.

It's that can't you see I'm on the phone? This is admirable restraint from Jimmy Butler. You really shouldn't talk to people like this. 100%. You should not do this. Play the whole thing. Jimmy Butler, man, they don't give a fuck you in that city. Look at him.

Bro, I put $3,000 and look at that. Yeah. Bro, I put $3,000 and I went $30. Why do you have 30 purse? Jimmy Butler, why you didn't have a 30 purse? You're supposed to go over, bitch. You work for Vegas. You work for Vegas.

crazy. Would you guys, would you guys, if Jimmy Butler reached into that man's car and slapped him, if Jimmy Butler reached into the car and slapped him, most athletes know better than this, know they're being provoked, know that a lawsuit can come from the video, know that this person can be videoing them in order to get the provocation response. But if he had slapped him, would you guys have the similar reaction that you did? to Jalen Ramsey when he's like, yeah, I understand why it is that he, why it is that he punched Jamar Chase. I think it relates to our earlier conversation. If Jimmy Butler reaches through that window and punches that man, Jimmy Butler gets suspended by the NBA. This feels a little more playful than a spit. That guy sucks.

No, you can't. That feels playful to you when he calls him a bitch ass? Like that, that feels playful to you. No, it's rude. It's rude. Because you guys cut that off on the second part. Like that's the one that was like, when it once a. got to there one more time

because if someone talks to me this way I'm not taking it as playful I'm not receiving this What are you doing? I'm not receiving I'm not receiving this as playful is what I'm telling you. Green apple looking that stupid big-ass Tim's on. Jim and Bullock, man

they don't give a fuck you in that city. Look at him. Bro, I put 3,000 and I went 30. Why do you have 30 purse? Jimmy Bull up. Why you didn't have a 30 purse? You were supposed to go over, bitch. You worked for Vegas. You worked for Vegas. Green apple looking at?

Without the profanity, why didn't you go over 30 points, a fair question? Well, the way he said points was funny. Perts. Perth. Purt. Look at that. Yeah. Bad bet, though, three grand.

I'm Jimmy over 30. I don't like that. Isn't it over 30 always a dangerous bet? Maybe he may have been getting honest. Not in today's NBA. Mark it'll give you 47 every night. It's good. It was, yeah.

To win 30, he said. So it must have paid really good odds. You work for Vegas is crazy. What is propane looking ass? You know when you see it. No, I don't know. Yeah, what is that? Is he alleging that the color of the outfit is propane color?

Play it again. Play it again. It's not propane. The text said propane. I thought it was propane too. It's something else. Mopped looking. One more time.

Mopin looking. Mopin? Totally comfortable with this. It's tough, yes. Jimmy doesn't seem very amused. Nor should he be. He just was on the phone. I think he handled it admirably.

See, I credit Jimmy Butler for the horse right now. For sure. These guys are used to it, but it is dehumanizing in a way that's super strange. Like, I don't know how it is or why it is. Well, I kind of do, actually. Why it is people are that comfortable being that disrespectful. I think athletes are more and more comfortable with. living with the gambling and the fantasy element of what they do for a living.

Quick example, A.J. Brown, who spent the entire season complaining that the Eagles aren't thrown on the ball enough, was quoted the other day as saying, I wouldn't have me on my fantasy team. I'm not getting the ball enough. Nobody should have me on their fantasy team. If I could be for real for a moment, that's a scary situation. If you're Jimmy Butler walking down the street, a dude pulls up on you in the car. You don't know what he has. I would argue that this guy did not cross the line, but I'm with you that. you don't know.

There is nobody that is comfortable with anybody driving up to them, screaming at them. You don't know what is happening. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, minute. The only reason you don't think he crossed the line is because you, too, think that you're entitled with gambling fantasy or whatever to be mad at an athlete because he cost you money. That crosses the line. Like, that's absolutely, you don't talk to another.

For me, like, if the scale is zero, like, if 10 is, I'm legitimately fearful that I'm about to be attacked. If that's a 10, to me, this is like a six or six. You can't call him a bitch-ass, and you can't do that. He's harassed in public. But he's saying it, like, I get it. But he's not, like, I don't hear this guy's tone and being like, oh, my God, this guy is, I'm with you. I don't know where the line is either.

I'm not saying. Let's have a car roll up on you and say, hey, Chris Cody, in that tone. I mean, I've been heckled walking to my car before. That's not, like, I don't think, like, he's angry. He's angry. He's, like, he's calling him a B-word. Like, he's, I mean, you don't know what he's as. I think it's a fine line here.

I think that Jimmy Butler absolutely is being insulted. I don't think he's being threatened. It seems like... It's not a fine line. Don't talk to people that way. That's not a fine line. This is pretty cut and dry. This should not be happening.

I'm not saying that you should be like cowering in fear, but I also think that like to have someone drive up, roll down their window and start yelling at you, no matter what the context. By the way, on the phone, right? So he doesn't know at first what this guy is yelling at him. That's not, and by the way, even given what he is yelling at him, not okay. You should not be approaching people saying, you work for Vegas.

That's not how this works. The you work for Vegas was the least offensive thing he said. No, but it's the, it's the, it's the, it's been the, the, the, like, he's being playful. Like, there's no point there where Jimmy thinks this guy's getting out and it, I'm with you. You can't see his face. That's why this is, I'm with you that this is not a good thing. because someone might go past the line. I think that this guy was, like, close to the line, but on, like, the playful side.

Man. But I'm with you that, guys, I don't know. Chris, I don't know, dude. He's criticizing both his appearance, his choice in shoes. A funny joke. Accusing him of fixing games and calling him a bitch ass. Where do you think the line is? I think the line is getting out of the car and being physically threatening.

Guys, guys, he started with Green Apple looking at it. Thank you. We're fine. You guys are like. Guys, we're fine. You have a little sensitive on this. It could have escalated, and it is a slippery slope. Wait, is this in San Francisco?

Fentanyl capital of the world. Not big Tim's. It was stupid-ass Timbs. Big stupid-ass Tims. Funny. Which is a funny burn. I can't believe we're debating. Were they big stupid-ass Tims?

Yeah. Did he look like a green apple? Propane tank? I thought Jimmy handled that exceptionally well. Perfectly. Me too. You guys have a different. So you think that guy should be a rest of?

To me, it's just like a... Shot in the street. Yes, that's what I think. He literally just said that he went way past the line. Chris. Okay, like... Arrested, Chris? Arrested.

Like, there's no... So there are no detours. Wait a minute. So your line is crime? Commit a crime against Jimmy Butler. No, you guys are the ones freaking out over this, and I'm asking me, like, what should they call the cops? Like what?

I'm not freaking out. I'm saying that's wildly disrespectful to do to somebody you don't know. It's disrespectful. What should Jimmy Butler have done? What he did. Exactly what he did. But that's calling on the athlete to show vastly better behavior as the victim of this than it is of the fan, which I'm not surprised. When I say, oh, I'm not surprised why this happens.

Yes, more and more because you're in fantasy leagues with these players and because they cost you money, more and more fans, the customer, feels more and more entitled to dehumanize the athlete. But that is not a person you talk to that way. You heard Draymond Green say while he was talking. You heard him say, it was fine, I handled it. As soon as I confronted him face to face, that stopped. Everything stopped because that's not something that you do to Jimmy Butler unless you're trying to provoke some sort of response.

Like if Jimmy Butler does slap you in the face, you were looking for it by talking to him that way. Right, but who gets in trouble? Jimmy Butler does. That's correct. But who got in trouble in the Jalen Ramsey thing? He was disrespected and then Jalen Ramsey got in trouble. But the better behavior is required of the athlete in that spot because I assure you the conversation, if we had video of Jimmy Butler slapping that guy or worse, just putting his fist repeatedly in the car,

Jimmy Butler would be the one that's in trouble there when the thing that happened was the disrespect escalated to that point. And I'd be sitting there saying, you know what? I don't blame Jimmy Butler for doing that. Don't talk to Jimmy Butler that way if you don't know Jimmy Butler and he doesn't know you're being playful. And also the responsibility is on the athlete. They know they have more to lose than a guy who's going to pull up on the street

and make a joke about you looking like a green apple wearing stupid-ass tims. You know that going into it. Hey, I make millions of dollars a year. Like, I can't do anything. And if Jimmy Butler leans into that car window and starts yelling back at that guy, the escalation is on Jimmy Butler. He's the athlete who needs to take the high road there. I give him all the credit in the world for the way he handled that.

Mr. Butler, why you did not have a 30 perk? You were supposed to go over, bitch. You work for Vegas. You work for Vegas. We've got breaking news here with the Atlanta Falcons, Michael Pennix, potential season ending knee injuries. Kirk Cousins will probably be going the rest of the way there. I'm assuming that Aaron Rogers' wrist is broken.

I don't know if Aaron Rogers can play or would want to play with a broken left wrist. Like they are, if it's not his, does anyone have any earthly idea? Any earthly idea whether or not he could play with a broken left wrist, given that it's not really, I don't know whether you can hold a snap. even take a snap without fumbling if you've got a cast on your left on your left hand i would think that's going to remove him from the game you generally when a when a right-handed quarterback has the opposite arm injury whether it's a shoulder or anything like that it they're out i mean it wouldn't be a cast tape it up i i think he probably plays yeah but you're going to take a snap though

you're in shotgun it's not like the ball's going to be you know pushed into your hands you like he's not in shotgun all the time though like he's got to go under center with their He's got to go under center. But the thing is, it's not even that. It's just the act of football. All right, I'm fine. I throw the ball. I get tackled and then I land on my wrist like the way I broke it the first time.

It's just going to like us trying to break down this wrist injury is one of like this last 30 seconds. I did good analysis. Yeah. Like that. Like that. 90 year old man and a guy that threw imaginary. That's taking a snap before. That's your imaginary football.

That you started talking about the wrist. Tony like mimed a hut to like, oh, let me text. Yeah, because I was saying, all right, you go right. As a right-handicboard, you go right over, left, right here. We are the worst. I don't know. Dan, I don't know. Boom, I'm up here.

I don't know. It seems like it hurts. Neither do I. But do you know how hard? This guy's a green apple looking at. What are you talking about? That says he might play. Do you know how hard it is for us as a show to be worse than we were with Chris Cody saying,

man, I don't think that's close to the line. You guys are, okay. I think you guys are off on this one. This guy getting heckled, by the way? Come on, give me a break. There's frauds off. Six and stones, baby. Yo, chicken thine.

You're not heckled after one. Complete fraud. Ask Carl. Carl's seen it. Nobody huckles you. Hackle you. They call you a big face, red face, great-ass, mother-up.

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