The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: The Inconclusive Legacy Game (feat. Nate Tice)

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

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Cuervo. This is the Don Leventor Show with the StuGuts Podcast. ["The Stuguts Podcast Theme"] Because people need their football, cast. Because people need their football, Nate Tice is going to join us here in a segment executive produced by Billy Gill. We're going to play Naughty or Tice with Nate Tice and Billy Gill of God Bless Football to get our draft information.

Billy is looking through papers right now, wondering what is Naughty or Tice. You know though, it's one of those games, you hear it, you know. I think Billy just found out that he's executive producing that segment. We'll get to it in a moment. Also, I still wanna get to,

WrestleMania, because we have not, and I also wanna get to the stuff happening with McAfee and shin and sharp because wrestling happened yesterday on ESPN and if you're welcoming in the age of wrestlers and wrestling and it's all content and it's all drama what happened on McAfee's show is about some inner office tensions there that super interesting to me watching the athletes come and try and McAfee's show is about some inner office tensions there that super interesting to me watching the athletes come

and try and run off the journalists. Like Stephen A. Smith isn't gonna, Stephen A. Smith might be the coolest of us, but it's a new time and McAfee and Shannon Sharp are in the $100 million game. Before, I'm gonna let play out some of the Shannon Sharp stuff because there's time to know what's true or what's not.

I'm just going to address what I saw happen this weekend, which was strategic. Over the weekend, it leaks, Shannon Sharp contract up worth $100 million, whatever the numbers were. And I'm like, why would that come out on the weekend? Oh, because then everything that comes after that can be framed as money grab or whatever it is that people do when they're arguing about money and now accusations of rape inside of a

consensual relationship. The money was leaked first and then you get what you got yesterday from Shannon Sharp. Busby's a lawyer that does these things, but I'm not going to try and talk about the particulars of who's right, who's wrong. I just thought it was interesting that purposely, money is leaked on the weekend, and I'm like, why is this happening now?

Who's doing this and why? And then what happens the next day? As you find that McAfee and Shannon Sharp and Stephen A. Smith are becoming a class of journalist, celebrity, entertainer, it's all wrestling, wrestling's going to Netflix, Tony Khan knows how to sell stuff in the streaming service, ESPN's gonna get into all wrestling, wrestling's going to Netflix, Tony Khan knows how to sell stuff in the streaming service, ESPN's gonna get into the wrestling, fighting,

information business, all of it mixed together. What happened yesterday on ESPN is something I've never seen watching ESPN in my lifetime, where Pat McAfee, who's independent, as part of a wrestling promotion where he stars, because he's a monster media talent an Event that Mike Ryan goes with his buddies to and that Zaslow wants to cover McAfee a giant star has a wrestling superstar manager on and that guy's too hot for television

Like what he's doing cannot be controlled by Disney. Wrestling has arrived to Disney and it's like, here's what it looks like. We're in the middle of your game and we're gonna say McAfee's smoking pot and he's mother bleeping Stephen A. Smith. Let's play that sound so that people can hear as McAfee gets sheepish and they all do wrestling

on television in a way that's great if you like drama and entertainment and wrestling storyline. Do you care about the opinions of people who are irrelevant? You don't care about the opinions of most people who are very relevant in your life. You don't care what the opinions of the people who pay you. They sit there and they go, hey, Mr. McAfee, don't talk about Shannon Sharp on here today. And you go, I talk about anything I want. I'm Pat McAfee. Watch me swing my slung all over the place. They go, McAfee, don't talk about your podcast on here. What do you do?

Oh, I'm King King Slung. Watch me Pat McAfee. This is on you, this is about you, not me, not me. Last night when the roast was over and you and I were out back and you're going. Ffff. Ffff. Ffff.

Iceman. Ffff. By the way, it's puff, puff, pass, not puff, puff, puff, puff, puff, puff, puff, puff, chase down the gummy, puff, puff, puff, puff, pass, right? And you go, Wiseman, you know Stephen Smith really sucks, right? And I go, I love Stephen A. The man calls me the goat. The man, Stephen A. Smith is on the air saying if there's one person in the universe that I, Stephen A. Smith, at 70 billion dollars a year want to be, it's the wise man Paul Heyman and you sit there and you go, these ESPN bastards give me the same money as him

or they can... No, that's not true. None of that's true. I've loved professional wrestling all my life. I mean, that's not even like the clip that went super viral for Paul Heyman there where he's saying, you look like you're about to get deported to one of the people and he's just going like,

he's trying to get a new heel persona. He's always kind of been heel adjacent, but he's launching a more aggressive heel character and he's using the Pat McAfee show to do it by doing things that are considered third rail. Did a good enough job in protecting Pat, Pat being like the traffic cop, like no, you can't do that.

And so maybe he hears about it, maybe he doesn't, but WWE and Pat McAfey and ESPN clearly have a very good, strong relationship. They find this mutually beneficial. WWE produced an incredible event that Pat had at the at the Penguin's Arena that was all entirely a WWE production that went on Hulu that ESPN used. So I think that that's actually pro wrestling happening on on a television show I'm not reading too much into it even though it gets people's attention. That's the most pro wrestling

I think that's ever been on ESPN television and it's it's Not a coincidence that it comes from that guy because that guy Paul Heyman is so embedded in This is the gimmick and we're if a camera is on or if we're recording something then I am in the gimmick and that was what we saw the you know it's leading up to what he wants to take place and ended up taking place last night you know and this is a very bitter man and he's angry and he brought that on television there and he's old school pro wrestling where yeah it doesn't matter that I'm on your stage this is me this is my okay but when you guys talk about old

school pro wrestling I don't know how the rest of the room feels I have not asked Billy Jessica Chris or Roy how they feel about the grown man allegiances that Zazz and Mike Ryan have to the entertainment spectacle that is WrestleMania and professional wrestling. I love it. I mean, I see what you're trying to do there. We're not the guys that fell for pro wrestling, you are. Like, you all thought that Paul Heyman was doing something like super dangerous that was very controversial

because he just invoked some names. Like, that was pro wrestling. He brought up the lawsuit. Yeah, that's pro wrestling. It's pro wrestling and he got heat and he got his bit over. He's one of the greatest minds in the history of pro wrestling in terms of getting things over.

So you think ESPN suits were watching that and being like, awesome. I'm sure there's a suit. I'm sure that maybe it was at least communicated even before or after, but this is a work. Don't work yourself into it. You know what a work is? You know what that means? I do, yes. And I would say that Mike Ryan is applying some expertise here that when egos get involved, Mike, like I understand that you might cite it as a

work. McAfee would know it's a work? Not everybody at ESPN is in on that particular joke. And so we have learned on occasion when we're doing the joke at the expense of Dana White, who might not have the same sense of humor as we have, that sometimes what we think is a work and know is a work and the audience knows is a work is not taken as a work by a Dana White who might have a different view of things. I totally understand.

And if someone on first take feels some way about it, it would be explained to them the way that we explained our bits to people that took offense, Buster only not liking the looks like game. Like we've had all these things happen and we've had to explain, this is the kind of show that we do. We didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

We understand we're committed to our show and McAfee is very truly committed to, I think the wrestling thing is the thing that he enjoys the most. The show probably, that afforded him this opportunity to have all these crazy doors open. But the Pat McAfee that you get on WWE seems genuinely like the happiest to be there.

I think that's the most funny ad. He got choked out last night on live television in the show. Spoiler alert. You guys were living and dying with WrestleMania. So what were the takeaways between the two of you? Because Zazzle hasn't offered me anything other than seen a 17 time champion. I mean, if you want to mark out, go for it. As I'm sure I love the spectacle of it.

It's always a great this is the way wrestling has changed for me from when I'm a kid where OK, I'm rooting for certain wrestlers. I want certain guys to win because I'm a child to now as I'm older. It's more about especially if I go and Mike went to WrestleMania. I didn't you want go into a wrestling event now for me as an adult. I want to be part of a moment I want to be part of something big. I want to be there when the crowd all Simultaneously all 60,000 people at that arena at that stadium this weekend They're all cheering at the same time for the same thing. It's a great feeling. I love the emotion that comes with that. It's about being there for moments.

And Mike got several moments this weekend, which makes it an amazing time. Isn't John Cena though the face of like the PG era of wrestling? Well and now he's a real piece of garbage, this John Cena. But are we liking this, like are we buying this? I'm seeing some people being like, it feels like wrestling is just, I don't know,

it just feels almost like lazy. It, like Triple H very clearly took offense to people criticizing the build to WrestleMania. And I think the build was the build. And Triple H can say, you don't know where it's going, but we're just in a vacuum criticizing the lead up to it. It does actually seem like there's clarity in the direction of this Heel character.

John Cena turned Heel a month and a half ago, and he just found his character, and he's just starting to get it over, beginning with last night. That probably was a disappointment, the very main event. I think that's part of it, though. I think they want you to be disappointed.

They wanted you to be angry at them. That's part of this story. I mean, some people- They don't want you to be disappointed after a main event. I think that's part of it though. I think they want you to be disappointed. They wanted you to be angry at them. That's part of this story. I mean, some people- They don't want you to be disappointed after a main event. Well, I mean, I think you gotta look at the bigger picture where it's like, hey, the whole show

is not just the main event. Like Mike, maybe you wouldn't like the main event. Did you have a great time? Did you think it was a great show? I thought the triple threat match that won- Well, that's what matters. You thought it was a great show. You had a great time.

Oh yeah, no, it's a spectacle every time. I enjoy it. And I actually spoke to a friend of the show that is working on a project exploring different types of sports fandom. Go on. And he took into account this WrestleMania event for the first time,

not knowing anything about it. And it was really cool to kind of be texting with that person as they were experiencing it, kind of being swept away by the spectacle. It's nice that you tried to protect your source, but somebody revealed that source on yesterday's show. And I was learning of who it is you were at WrestleMania with, at least in part, because that person was trying to learn about what

the WrestleMania experience is, because that person doesn't think that what you guys are attached to here is a sane thing that human beings should be emotionally invested in. It's ridiculous, it's ridiculous. Why would anyone, why does, I just don't understand the part where people have a problem with other people enjoying a show. That's what it boils down to.

I get it. What, you do? Yeah, yeah, I didn't like Big Bang Theory. I thought people that liked it were not my type of people, so I get it. But are you telling people don't watch Big Bang Theory. I thought people that liked it were not my type of people. So I guess. But are you telling people don't watch Big Bang Theory? You shouldn't be watching that?

I would. You're an adult? I would. I mean, I'm more chill now that I'm older. There was a time where I'm like, how can this be a good show? How do you like this show? I don't understand it.

And then I realized art is subjective and if people put their heart and soul into it, I shouldn't be criticizing it all that much. But to me, it's no different than being a fan of The Last of Us. But wrestling fans- But those aren't events though.

Wrestling fans do kind of deserve the ribbing. Such a good shout on that show. He couldn't have picked a better show. It's real to me. It's just a polarizing show. Some people really love it and you're just like, why? The Last of Us? No, no, no, I'm talking about Big Bang Theory.

Very polarizing. I thought you were talking about The Last of Us 2, which by the way, season one was really scary, so I decided I'm not gonna watch season two, but I am gonna lurk, and I'm gonna be aware of it. It's good, it's started strong, it's visually fantastic, and everyone likes the acting. It's a good show.

I just finished that one, by the way. And? Season two? Oh, season three. I have thoughts. Can by the way. And? Season two? Season three. Oh. I have thoughts. Can we talk about it now? Can, is the embargo?

Spoiler Wednesday. Yeah. It's Wednesday, White Lotus. We can talk about White Lotus. White Lotus. If you haven't caught up, like spoiler alert, spoiler alert, spoiler alert. Like, it's very interesting to see how people

like view the relationship of Walton Goggins' character a little bit, because there were some people that were really devastated by it. And as someone that kind of was just passively following it, I understand the trauma, but they did a lot of foreshadowing that this wasn't actually going to go anywhere and it led to demise. So there are people that are really swept up in romanticizing it and you can kind of tell some people have had trauma in their lives and I get why they associate it that way. But I didn't think that this was like, it wasn't couples goals to me the way that a lot of people felt like it was.

No, I, the last part, 100% agree with you. I was not really sold on the emotional arcs of several of the characters this season simply because I just don't think the writing was as tight as the first couple seasons. Like I think there was just not enough to make me really invested. My appraisal toward the end of it was that, um, they copped out and if he'd gone totally dark with how beautiful and again, spoiler alert, spoiler alert, spoiler alert, if they had stayed with the only one who died amid the riches was the kid who was looking up

at the Buddhists, like the art, the artistry of all of that visually, if they had ended dark with death, that ending would have been beautiful. But instead, they just wrapped up all the storylines after that that including spa owner waves as if she's on a cruise ship and they just sort of wrapped it up in a way that wasn't artful that was my criticism of the end of it but the journey of it where that's the death that you get and the plot twist I understand why everybody was what are so

many people were watching that show and then that the conclusion of it would be unsatisfying because why? Because they wanted different results, they wanted... I don't think it was unsatisfying. I think it kind of delivered in that it gave you a moment to discuss and people can have their opinions as to whether or not it was good or bad, but I think everybody was there for the event and in terms of like an appointment viewing event,

with the White Lotus finale did kind of deliver on that and give you talking points. It's a very entertaining show. And I just think that the characters in this season weren't the strongest, especially compared to the first two seasons, which were shorter seasons and shorter episodes and sort of had delivered more of a punch.

I don't think it's that entertaining. I think it's intriguing. I think it's an intriguing show. But most weeks, I feel like nothing is happening. It's easy to watch though because it's a mystery. Can you be intrigued by something but not be entertained by it? Because I think entertainment is intriguing sometimes.

Well, yes. Yes, like pro wrestling sometimes. Yes, that is entertaining and intriguing. But if you're intrigued, you must be a little bit entertained to be intrigued. I'm interested. No, because I want to find out the mystery. I want to find out what's going to happen. It doesn't necessarily mean I'm entertained every, some weeks I'm sitting there for 60 minutes like, nothing happened. Where's the entertainment line for you? Like what crosses, like now I'm entertained.

How intrigued do you need to be to entertain? That's a good question. How intrigued do you have to be to cross over into entertainment? Because Goggins is having a moment to have both of those shows going Sunday nights where he's the critical character. He's been, for all this time with McBride and others, he's been number two. He's rising to a number one,

especially because on Gemstones, he's using a prosthetic of a 78 year old penis amazing. Can I get the sound of? White Lotus creator Mike white telling his customers. You're not allowed To be a bossy bottom there was complaining about how there's no plot and That part I find weird because the it never had them Like it's never been it's like part of me is just like bro. This is the vibe like I'm world-building You know, it's just like you know, it's like

You know if you don't want to go to bed with me get out of my bed Like you know, I mean, I'm edging you, you know, it's like enjoy the edging like you don't want to be edged You get out of my bed. Do you mean this is like don't be a boss wanna be edged, get out of my bed, do you know what I mean? It's just like, don't be a bossy bottom, or get the fuck out of my bed. Like don't come home with me, don't get naked in my bed, get the fuck out of my bed. All right. It's like.

I love being edged by you, Mike. Obviously something's gonna happen, I'm not gonna just like, yeah. I'm not gonna leave you here, I'm not gonna leave you here with nothing. Seems defensive. Not a great moment for him. I mean, I like him, I used to watch him on Amazing Race and then Survivor

so big white guy. I'm less interested honestly in his art than his reality TV appearances but if you say the sentence I'm world-building you kind of lose me. Triple H had the exact same reaction to people criticizing the build for the WrestleMania main event. I mean, it's like he had two good seasons. This one was a bit of a letdown for people. Like that's fine, you know, to get like so angry about it. I actually thought the second and third season were better than the first, personally. I don't know what the reaction was.

Was it a polarizing reaction to both the ending and the entirety of the season? Were there a lot of complaints because popular thing growing, which is what this is, over three years, whatever it is, the more it grows, the more criticism it's going to get, no matter how good it becomes until at the end Game of Thrones is falling apart, because there's a Starbucks cup in one of the scenes.

Well, I mean, people were criticizing White Lotus, like on episode three this season, they were already out on it They didn't like it from the beginning and they were just kind of waiting for it to end to find What to complain about a mystery crate we were saying how the finale was a legacy episode for Mike white Mm-hmm big episode and and what was the conclusion? inconclusive He can reel me back in with season five season four is good I'll be back in I just I think the common criticism Dan was that the finale was unearned

It was just not a lot of it was a little you know predictable I found it predictable and that is a bummer because I think the first couple seasons the way the characters die in the first two seasons are like totally absurdist and unpredictable and the way the characters in this season was like in a Sad like shootout at a resort Some of the stuff was like rushed like spoiler alert He shoots his dad and his dad like went and yelled at him and then and then the wife was like that was your dad And it's like well, we did this in Star Wars like 40 years ago like it was that part

Yeah, it was just a little we knew that he was gonna be the dad. We knew, but that's what the big reveal was. I did not, that was a surprise. What? Wait, what? Hold on, Chris, wait, hold on, Chris, walk us through the surprising moments of this season of White Lotus for you. The lady saying, he's your dad, he told me this morning!

That part. Well, what did you think, who'd you think his dad was? I thought his dad had died, I thought that that guy had killed his dad. Sotagagans. I mean, that's how it was set up the entire story. All right, I need to stop everyone. Just please, and forgive me for doing this, just because I have to stop Jessica for a moment.

I thought if something was a legacy game, whatever happened at the end of that couldn't be inconclusive. They can't, like COVID tests. Sometime, remember back in the height of COVID, you'd go, you'd wait in the long line, they'd stick the thing up your nose in your car, you'd have to go like this, and then you'd have to tilt your head,

and then you'd be waiting around, like can I go on vacation, can I not, can I go to work, can I not? And then it comes back, it's inconclusive, you're like how? How is this inconclusive? And it's like, well, go on vacation, can I not, can I go to work, can I not? And then it comes back, it's like inconclusive. You're like, how? How is this inconclusive? And it's like, well, they did it 14 times instead of 15 times, so we don't know

if you have it or you don't. Same thing with the legacy game, legacy episode, inconclusive. A legacy game has to be conclusive. No, not always. Not even soccer could be a tie. Always, it's a legacy game. If it's a legacy game, if it's for your legacy,

must be conclusive. No. Here, a legacy game. If it's a legacy game, if it's for your legacy, must be conclusive. No. Here, I think what the problem is, Dan, there was enough in the finale that we're not writing off the show completely. There was enough moments. Then it's not a legacy. Gary Coon's monologue was a moment. There were other small moments. Saxon having his tearful look back at Chelsea after he realized that he's soulless. How was he the one that grew the most? Yeah, it's a great question. The weirdest part of the season. He's the only one that left a better person than when he got there.

What brother would do that? Yeah, that was a weirder part. Which part? I think his legacy moment was something you haven't mentioned. Do you guys call that part too? You guys saw that part coming? Very predictable. I mean, yeah.

I mean, yeah, there was like a ton of foreshadowing that something weird was gonna happen. First episode, you're like, okay. First episode, yeah. A ton of foreshadowing that something weird was gonna happen first episode you're like, okay Yeah, ton of foreshadow foreshadowing not that though. Not that much not that much Mikeway gave us enough. Yeah, that was season four to suspend the legacy conversation until season four And it's not a leg season four is definitely a legacy season Big bounce back season we need It's gotta be good. It's gotta be good. Big bounce back season we need.

I don't understand how you're doing this. Legacy. Legacy episode. If it's a legacy thing, it ends. Inconclusive. No, it can't. Sometimes. No, no. Have you ever had a medical exam?

No. No. Inconclusive all the time. It's not a legacy medical exam. It's just a medical exam. Well, I mean, it depends on what they're testing for. You guys seen that Kanye tweet? Ever feel like your paycheck disappeared before you even know where it went?

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It's the only kind he tells. It's the short one for me. I tried to speed it up for you guys. You forgot about the League's Cup. Stugats! La Careta is a place where the best of the celebrations has to be the 97 Marlins celebration because it was Levatnandes. Well, when Fidel died the first time.

This is the Don Lebatard Show with the Stugats. He's an NFL analyst for Yahoo Sports. He's the host of the Football 301 podcast. You can also watch Nate on Yahoo Sports Draft live streaming for the first three rounds Nate on Yahoo Sports Draft live, streaming for the first three rounds on the Yahoo Sports website and app. His first appearance on this show. Thank you for joining us, Nate.

Before we get started though, and play Naughty or Tice, which is the only reason we're having you on, I think, you're most interested about what in this upcoming draft. And thank you again for joining us Most interested. I just want to see where the quarterbacks go as always. I'm basic, you know quarterbacks They draw my eyes. I follow the stars, but thank you for having me But yeah I just want to see where the quarterbacks end up because there's been a lot of hoop law a lot of flags being planted

I want to see some of those flags go Okay, so all right we're at the hoopla. I thought it was who okay. So all right. We're at the hoopla Before we get to draft stuff. Did you see the story with AJ Brown getting his car recovered after it was stolen? Did you see all of this? I did not I did not see AJ Brown's Was he reading a book and that's why it's got stolen. No, I was a little distracted reading a book I only bring it up because it's breaking news now and I expect you to know every single thing that is happening anywhere in sports,

in the sport right now at this time. So you don't know anything about what I'm talking about. That'd be a weird mobile alert. I do not. I'm five layers deep in the draft. I'm watching Ashton Gentry versus Nevada Reno. That's what I'm pulling right now. So do not see AJ Brown do that. All right, Billy, Billy, get me more information on this story, please.

As it breaks, Jessica, I'm sorry. I interrupted you with the breaking AJ Brown news. Oh, you didn't interrupt me, Dan. I listened to Nate's podcast with Charles and I'm a huge fan. And he's like he said, he's basic. He wants to see where the quarterbacks go. I'm also basic. I want to see where the quarterbacks go. And right now there's obviously been a lot of news

about Shadr Sanders. Where is he a reach? Where is he sort of a good pick? Like are the Steelers gonna take him at 21? Where do you see that unfolding? Yeah I think Steelers kind of seems like the, I don't know, floor is the right word or ceiling where he can go highest Because I think what happened with the Chaudhuri Sanders experience is that Experience I'll say because it has been experienced this whole draft cycle is that I think was more evaluators started Evaluating him, you know the one the decision makers the coaches the GM's assistant GM's the ones up top. They all just kind of went Oh Okay, this is what you are. And this is good and bad.

And I think that the realistic slotting for him is starting at pick 20 into the early second round. And you never know. Cause teams get frisky with quarterbacks, especially in the 20s. Oh, our guy's dropping. We got to move up for there. But I think that at pick 20 is where, or 21, I believe it's where the Steelers are is really where it starts for him. Because I just think that it's realistic expectations for him. I view him as a second rounder or a day two guy, as I would put it, because quarterback

grading gets wonky and where they actually go. But that is kind of, I think, more of the consensus than not, what has been kind of publicly happening. And I think it's kind of catching up and we'll see that on draft night. But the Steelers might be one, but we'll see. Uh, it can be all over the place cause that's how this class, not just quarterbacks, but the entire class of the draft is there's the lack of consensus. So it might be,

it might be even more wonky on a Thursday and Friday than we usually see. Man, I want to listen to the words you're saying, but I'm just so lost in your eyes. Just beautiful eyes you have. Swimming, swimming in lagoons is what it feels like. He said wonky three times, I didn't hear anything else. There were just a couple of wonkies and something else and then I was just lost, swimming in his eyes. I know, I'm awake so my eyes are actually open.

Usually they're just slits and then that's all you can usually see with them. So I appreciate that, I appreciate the blue eye compliments. Nate, do you know who Andrew Hawkins is? Yeah. Who's hotter him or Method Man? Hawkins definitely. I have an update on the AJ Brown situation so AJ Brown's car was stolen and he put out on Twitter dear Philly to whoever stole my car last night I'll make a deal with you bring back my car and I won't press charges

or when I find you today, it's going to be what it's going to be. Take it or leave it, my guy. And his car has been returned, but Brown says the police returned his car and the thief is dealing with consequences. So either he found that car and consequences are being dealt with

or he may have lied to the people saying there'd be no consequences if they returned the car. That's the latest at the news desk. I'm Billy Gill. Thank you, it's a good story. So basically, AJ Brown threatened someone, a thief, to return his car successfully. He made an ultimatum, it sounds like.

That is excellent work by AJ Brown. But I'm surprised that Nate Tice hadn't even heard of the story because again, I know, well but I just surprised that Nate Tice hadn't even heard of the story because again I know well but I just if his car was getting drafted maybe know about it. I had a late second grade on his car so I'm surprised it went this early and that he signed a deal to be dropped in the news this early. I know I thought the new CBA didn't allow that to be signed before the draft. Nate, Jessica do me this favor please and explain to me something i

simply don't understand because while i love that uh... greg cody uh... does his exact those and his mock drafts and i've been making fun of him about it for twenty years i believe that jessica and nate care about this draft more than reasonable human beings should i also believe that our friend Mina Kimes cares about mock drafts in general more than she cares about anything else in the world. And I'm genuinely confused by the phenomenon. Please explain it to me in your words. Hope. I think that's what it is. I think hope is what you're selling on draft

night. And I think that's why they've packaged it, stamped it and sold it to everybody. I think that's really what it is. And I think too, is that college football is so big that you have people that, hey, we're playing member berries with some of these guys. Hey, this guy, you know him, he won the Heisman. Hey, this guy was really good,

a four year starter for your school, which is unlikely now with everyone transferring. But really that's what you're selling to teams is that all 32 teams have hope. It's the games haven't started. They haven't started 0 and 6. They haven't started 0 and 5. They haven't fired their head coach. Their quarterback isn't actually a lemon. You know, and I think that's what you're selling. And also the draft now, if you notice is it's rotating all these cold weather cities. And I think that's been a great thing for actually the NFL. It's like, well, also they make more money off of it.

So of course it's a great thing for them. But they have gone, oh, the Super Bowl gets the warm weather cities. Well, how do we reward or bring this event to the fans? And I actually think that's been a good part of this. I know it's in Green Bay this year, which is kind of a pain the ass for most people to get to. But I know being in Pittsburgh, Chicago, Kansas City, Detroit, Detroit, it was awesome last year.

So I think that's a part of it too, is that it's the fan event. While the Super Bowl is the corporate event, the draft is truly the fan event. And I think that's why so many people get hyped up about it. The college football side of it is why, I mean, I'm a fan of the NFL and college football,

but like you said, I love seeing players that I watch play in college get drafted and usually, especially in the first football, but I like you said I love seeing players that I watch playing college get drafted And usually especially in the first round. It's like their dream come true it's like the best day of their lives unless they get drafted to the Giants or something like that, but I Was going through your one of your mock drafts in the car. Yes I was on like a seven-hour car ride and

Lehman was just naming players and I was giving their positions and where they went to school just because we were bored. And it seems like a really deep draft for Ed Rusher specifically. Is that the position group that you think has the most value later on in the later rounds? I would say the deepest position is running back. There might be double digit running backs in the first two days that get selected.

I looked it up the record since the new millennium since 2000 is 11 in the first two days that gets selected. I looked it up. The record since the new millennium, since 2000, is 11 in the top three rounds. I think the all-time records in mid-90s is like 15 or 14, which tells you it's a different age. But I think that the running back is the deepest class with Ash and Gentie 2 on top. And there might be two or three running backs selected in the first, but edge is another spot. And not and not just edge D line in general is pretty good pretty deep at the top and into the second day and actually though the position that I think has been kind of Overlooked a little bit is that there's some depth that offensive line There might not be the really really great guys at the top of the draft

But there's a lot of players I would say late first early second that it's a little juicier than you you'd expect Then I think it's been kind of made out to be. And then tight end is another position that has talent at the top and on day two. Some interesting guys there, like real tight ends too. Not the Mike Gysicki types. I know I'm giving a shout out to Dolphins fans here, so. How dare you blaspheme again, the Gysicki types.

What's wrong with those? What's wrong with Gysicki types? I like Gysicki types. You can't block. You can't block. All right. I don't need you disparaging. Gussick is around here.

Yeah. I had too many Gussick references already. He's so Renaissance. I've got no problem with the sticky. I'm fine with the sticky. You're the one who said shit about him.

I just want him to block once. Just once. Just just once. It's not what he does. It's not what he does. Nate, what is the Nate? What's the comp for Travis Hunter on both sides of the ball? Uh the one I've gone with for him as a receiver is Chad Ocho Cinco, Chad Johnson. Uh uh Chad was a much better route runner, became a very polished route runner but as far as body body type and skills and ball skills

and everything like that, they're one to one really to me. Travis might be a little more explosive, but Odell Beckham is another comparison I've heard with him. But that body type, twitchy, he's just an excellent athlete. And then defensively, I've kind of struggled with a few, like Asante Samuel Sr. might be one. Champ Bailey is another one, which is maybe the high end comparison.

But the fact that I'm comparing Chad Johnson and Champ Bailey to this guy, it kind of speaks to how crazy he is. He's really the top tier athlete I've watched in a long time. I grew up around Randy Moss and he's kind of the top tier, top athlete I've ever been around. Bobby Bowden, who coached Randy Moss for a semester, I think before he got kicked off, I had to go to the Marshall, said, hey, Randy Moss, or Deion Sanders to me,

is the parameter for athleticism, and Randy is a bigger Deion. So I'm saying Travis Hunter is a smaller Randy Moss, well, then I'm comparing him to Deion, which is, you know, kind of in a roundabout way. But no matter what, he's a freak athlete. And there's some rawness with him as a receiver, but just the talent and just his athleticism that's like, he's going to figure it out.

That's what's so cool about him. Nate, while we're doing player comps, what tier of prospect is Ashton Gentry? A historic season, but is he historically a good running back prospect? The speed and power don't jump off the screen like someone like Adrian Petersen's did. Yes, I'm reading that from your quote skeets

because you said it was a good question. It was a good question. Yeah, I have been like officially, quote unquote, evaluating guys for about 10 years now, 11 years. And the best, the top tier running back to me, my favorite running back prospect was Ezekiel Elliott. And then the other guys I would say are in that top tier are Todd Gurley,

Bijan Robinson, CMC and Saquon Barkley. And then if I had to like split that tier, it's Zeke and then it would be Gurley and Saquon and then CMC Bijan. I would put Gentie in that CMC Bijan tier. Do these tiers, do these quadrants come to you in your sleep? Like when you're actually dreaming at night, is this in your actual sleep? It is, correct? Yeah, yeah, I grade everything off tiers. And then everything, everything.

Oh, that shower was a blue chip shower. Yeah, that was a day two tooth brushing. Do you guys, do you guys remember Nate, excuse me, Nate, Nate Tice's playing career? Do any of you remember his playing career? Played at Wisconsin with the GAF hit. This interview is longer than my career. No, do you want to give me the,

can you guys get me the stats from the game? Or does Nate know the stats? So you only play one game? Nate. I have one stat ever. It's one rush for 17 yards, one touchdown. And 17 is also how many drinks I had that night. So that was to celebrate it.

What was the score of that game? Oh my God. Didn't we drop 80 on them? And then Michael senior called us out and like, I actually like said it was an embarrassment to the sport. It was like 83, 20, I think. It was, I was the human victory cigar. Wait a minute. You average 17 yards a carry at Wisconsin.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. One for one baby one one touch one touchdown. That's that's how we do it. Fishy. Indiana made the playoff before Wisconsin did. No, no, we're Wisconsin football is a little touchy subject right now.

It's it's not I'm not happy with what's going on there. Running the air raid for two years, what are we doing here? Let's speed him up a little bit. Let's speed him up a little bit before we get him out of here and before we play Nadir Tice. Are you ready to play Nadir Tice? Let's do it. Let's do it.

First, before we play Nadir Tice, just fill in the blank. You just mentioned best running back prospect you've ever seen, best quarterback prospect you have ever seen. Andrew Luck. Easily. Easily. He's the best prospect ever. Best offensive lineman prospect you have seen.

Tristan Wirfs. Best wide receiver prospect you have seen. Oh, that's hard. Marvin Harrison, actually, no, not to lie, Julio Jones, Julio Jones, but that was maybe a little before me. The most likely to be transcendent superstar not named Travis Hunter is blank. Oh, that's a great question. Not named. Oh, I would say Abdul Carter would probably be the one.

Naughty or Tice. named, oh, I would say Abdul Carter would probably be the one. Naughty or Tice? Shador Sanders deserves to have his jersey retired at Colorado. Good question. So Tice is I agree and Naughty is I do not agree. You get it. Don't complicate this game, Tice. Yeah, Naughty or Tice, come on man.

Don't complicate this game. Naughty, Naughty. All right, he's Naughty. What happened, Billy? I just, I just didn't seem to get this game. Billy, you're executive producing it, you wanna help me out? Okay, Omarion Hampton will be a first round pick in the draft, Noddy or Tice?

Tice. One word, like it. Okay, everyone is sick of Aaron Rodgers and he won't be signed before the draft, Noddy or Tice? I, Tice, I'm not before the draft. I think that or Tice? Tice, not before the draft. I think that's gonna be a little bit after that. Okay. You want me to expand on that running back one?

Yeah, there might be three running backs that go on the first round. Yeah. All right, Naughty or Tice? Trevor Lawrence is not that guy. Naughty, absolutely Naughty. No, no, Trevor Lawrence is legit. Are you saying Naughty to him not being that guy?

I'm confused by this game. I'm confused which answer means. I totally am following. The question was he's not that guy and he said not to that. So that's too negative. So he's saying that he is that guy. But he's not positive that Trevor Lawrence is good.

Why are you guys complicated such a simple game? I'm positive he's good. I'm very positive he's good. A lot of people watching Jacksonville at 1pm? Are we all watching Jacksonville's adverse tape? Tony is likely, but... Noddy or Tice? It's very simple. Alright, Noddy or Tice? Ben Johnson will lead the Bears to a winning record this season.

Tice. I think they just go for the edge. I'm actually buying the Bears hype this year. Finally, I'm buying it. Naughtier time. More than two quarterbacks will be taken in the first round of the NFL draft this year. Naughty. I actually, one of my bull takes is only one will go in the first round. Naughtier Tice.

Nico Iamaljava got bad advice. Oh, Tice. He got real bad. Well, Tennessee might be happy with it. I think he got bad advice trying to up the number and everything. I think he should have just taken his taking his soup and been happy with it, to be honest, based on his play. So I do think he got bad advice.

What expression was that? What was that expression? I have no idea. That was around. What happened? Was there soup taken there? What? So in my head, I pictured. Expression was that what was that expression what I have no idea that was In my head I pictured can I have some more sir, you know like that came to my Look, all right. This is disgusting. That's from Chris. I Do but to Roy Nate. Come on, man. Nate it is not Naughty or Tice and then, well,

like you gotta pick either Naughty or Tice. Can I propose? I've been answering, and then a comma. Can I propose a spinoff to Naughty or Tice? Naughty and Tice, and we ask you a question, and you tell us the Naughty side, and then from the other perspective, the people that think it's Tice.

Jackson Dart is no longer attending the draft in Green Bay because he will not be drafted in the first round Tice I think he goes in second But I think the Saints do like him though, but he's asking you to play the game differently He's asking you to make the argument on one side for naughty. Okay, the naughty side The naughty side is that he is going the first round He just wanted to be with his family and just hang out the The tight side is that actually he's going on day two, which is where he should be going.

I think that's my perspective on it. Nate, our guy, our special boy, Riley Leonard, naughty or tights day two player this year? Naughty side is that no, have you watched him throw? Oh my God, that's day three. The tight side is, oh my God, yes. He's a surprising guy that might go on day two, maybe even top 90, because he's a good athlete,

he's tough, and he actually has a little bit more arm talent than people give him credit for, but yes, that is our guy, Jess, me, you, and Michael Jr. Yes! Hand up, I think I made this game more confusing now, because we're not getting any answers. Yeah, you did. You did, and he's both answers,

and I don't know what he believes or he doesn't anymore. Executive produced by Billy Gill, ladies and gentlemen. Naughty or Tice, thank you. Ooh, wait, one more, Naughty or Tice. Andrew Luck, considering the hype on how he retired early because of injury, bust? Naughty. I'm not even going with the Tice side there.

That's Naughty. Executive produced by Billy Gill. One last question. Thank you, appreciate your time, Nate. It is not it. Executive produced by Billy Gill. One last question. Thank you. Appreciate your time, Nate. It is true. Your eyes are lagoons. Tice.

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