The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: The Legacy of Bill Belichick

Episode Date: October 9, 2023

The crew discusses the inevitable NFC title game between the 49ers and Eagles AND how Bill Belichick's legacy is being impacted by the Patriots' struggles. Then, Andrew Hawkins of The Thomahawk Show joins us for a trip of topics around the NFL including tricking yourself into thinking you can win a football game, the Shanahan offense with Brock Purdy, the Sean Payton and Nathaniel Hackett game, which 4-1 teams might be as good as the 5-0 teams, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. This is the Don Levertar Show with the Stugat Sputcast. There is a lot of professional football to talk about. Andrew Hawkins will be here shortly to sit in with us But just one more note from college football because Gus Johnson was broadcasting one of the games this weekend I feel like everyone loves Gus Johnson He struggled a little bit like there was a fake punt and he didn't see it right away So he didn't go grab the emotion. There were a couple of things he didn't see right away, but he did refer to one of the players in the game

that he was announcing as Tommy Two Thumbs because he played last season with two broken thumbs. Right. I love that. That can't be easy to do. The play football. Right. Well, what position?

Exactly. I think he's a guard that's fine. Yeah. Well, not quarterback. That would be that would be harder to kicker with two thumbcasts. Like it's Rodrigo Blake and ship. And he's just. There were a number of interesting things from professional football. Yes, Jay, the San Francisco 49ers are overwhelming. You can laugh at the Dallas Cowboys all you want, but that's a close to elite defense and the 49ers are just shredding everybody.

They're making it look very easy. And this, this, this that I'm about to say can't be talked about enough. If you're trying to teach the Swifties about what Jason Kelsey does, if you're just trying to teach somebody who's new to football and you're like, you think Travis is strong. Jason has a play that cannot be stopped. Everyone in the league has trouble in goal line situations, getting a yard and a half or two

and what Philadelphia does is the only unstoppable play in the sport. You can fear Tyree Kill, you can fear any number of things in the sport, but a team that in short-yarded situations just bulldozes Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald can't do anything against that team has a cheap code that allows it to continue drive so that they can wear you out with that offensive line. That offensive line is the strongest unit of any kind at any position. I'm including wide receivers for the dolphins.

There is no stronger unit anywhere. Not San Francisco's defense, not Kansas City's offense, that is stronger than Philadelphia's offensive line. What they do to make the game easier for Jalen Hertz. It's an insanity to God that in a sport where we all know these are incredibly strong human beings. They're the strongest. They're physically stronger than everyone.

You saw Micaparsans isn't himself. Why? Oh Trent Williams is kind of amazing. Right. And you can't Why? Oh Trent Williams is kind of amazing. Right. And you can't, you can't put anyone on Trent Williams and expect to get to the quarterback. The, the Eagles have five dudes and one of them was a sub-playing yesterday. They have five dudes that make the game so much easier because you're just in third and short the entire time and you have no

chance of stopping them. And if by some miracle, you stop them on third and short, they're just going to do it again on fourth and short. I think the play has been stopped one time in two years. And I'd love to meet the people who did it and do a comprehensive oral history. How'd you do it? Documentary. I'm like, how did you do this? How my sealant all blacks what did you do?

how did you do this? who did do it? do we know? and they may they must have fumbled the snap right i could tell you right like we can all agree the nfc championship gave barring a lion's upset is going to be the niner's and the eagles right well last year i believe the niner's would have been in the super bowl if they had a

quarterback for a playoff game that they needed him for against Philadelphia, not enough is talked about how San Francisco's season ended last year and a reign of dominance that's been pretty strong over the last couple of years because the way they're scoring is really unusual in the sports. I think they're one of four or five teams ever to start the season with 30 plus points in every game And all of those teams have made the Super Bowl, but last year they were down to Going to their bench and being like Christian McCaffrey. Can you play quarterback for us? We don't have a quarterback anymore. Everybody is is injured and that's where their season got to railed

The thing though that I think can't be talked about enough today. They had to go to Josh Johnson That's one that are being recorded back. Brock Purtie for four passes in that game. Josh Johnson, seven of 13 and one pass from Christian McCaffrey. Yeah, the yank that were like Chris, can you play? No, okay. Purtie is incredible, huh? Yeah, we were talking about this last week. His father, well, I went to school with his father. Sean Purtie, yes, was a baseball pitcher at the University of Miami. You didn't know this? I felt like I'm not. No idea. That's a lame look at me, Louis. I did say it last year. I thought that's why I was surprised by everybody's reaction in there. Yeah, him and Jim

Fervolo would make like pork chops at midnight. Very deeply unhealthy. I think he was roommates with Fervolo. What? Yes. I believe so. I believe I have all of that right. Should we get Brock's dad on the show?

I don't know. Why don't you see the God bless football wheels starting? Billy, you got a pretty good or pretty bad? Yes. He is indisputably good. I read reports that he's still sharing rent. Does he still drive a Prius? He lives in the Bay Area.

It's $800,000 salaries before taxes. You got to. So he's got a roommate. He's got a roommate. This is why you can afford dabbo and McCaffrey because he's got a roommate. Yeah, this is why you can afford Davo and McCaffrey because you've got a quarterback who's sharing rent to somebody. I'm sorry. Deep down. Yeah, Davo playing wide receivers are totally different local though. There is a video of him running fast downhill That is a fine there. I do get fine for that. Yeah, I don't think that you can talk enough though about what is presently happening Stugant to the legacy of the best to ever do it in football coaching. Bill Bell Acheck, 20 years atop the AFC East, is now coming off consecutive back-to-back

losses that are the worst of his career. And he's got no fix. There is no fix coming for the Patriots. They got slaughtered at home by a Saints team that can't move the football, 34 to nothing. Mac Jones, Stugatts, has nothing. It's nothing, Dan. They have lost the last two games, 72 to three. I combined 72 to

three. They're the worst worst losses of his career back to back. Yesterday was the first time a billbellic check coach team trail by 30 points at home. Ever. They were being booed. Yes. And that fan base is going to be spoiled and entitled because of what bill bellic check built for them. They will become an afterthought, but I do wondered the people listening to this. What do you do? We all know he's good at what he does. Like we all know that I'm just saying, Dan, his records under 500 without Tom Brady. Like isn't this the shining example of even if you're a good head coach,

perceived to be a good head coach, you're only as good as your quarterback. I mean, that's it. Andy Reed was the guy who couldn't win the big game until he started winning the big games with Patrick Maholens. But I would ask you because you love to separate blame charts and credit pies and everything else like do you not give the coach any credit for the development of that quarterback a both of those quarterbacks, because it seems like you think Tom Brady would have come into the league and been that with any quarterback, with Cam Cameron, like you have, when you do this,

but if you develop, if you get the credit for being able to develop Tom Brady, then that would suggest you could do it with any quarterback, no? Tom Brady was any quarterback. Mac Jones was a first round pick. I think that the evaluation of that position is terrible by all of us, including coaches. And I don't think you can separate Tom Brady's success from Bill Belicex, where Tom Brady was in his career at the time, and what he needed in terms of

support. Do you realize I can make the argument, when they're putting up the dolphin stats on the offense and they're showing you teams that have ever started this way through five games. The only Patriots offense they can put up there is the one with Randy Moss, which was the only time that Bill Belichick got him skill help at the wide receiver position

and what he was that season. Go look at Tom Brady's pro football reference page so that you can see the difference in that season compared to every other season when he got him a single skill position player. Obviously it was Randy Moss, one of the best ever, but the development of quarterbacks is something that Andy Reed has consistently done for every quarterback and Belichet has done for one quarterback. The area at Maas, he threw for 50 touchdats and hated perceptions. But also look at his career pass rating is like in the 80s and then that season it's in

the 120s or something of 17.2. Is it unfair to time to to Brady and say look how good he is or how not good he is without Tom Brady? It's just really when you give him a bad quarterback. Look at the team like he made the playoffs, Mac Jones, rookie season. And since his rookie season, he's regressed, not the first young quarterback to come to the league and regress after the NFL knows what to do with you. It's a terrible quarterback situation that they have right there.

You can be a great coach. You can navigate a terrible quarterback situation. Only Tom Lentkin. Tom Lentkin, the only one ever. You're right. From the top down though, like draft wise, a coordinator wise, they've just failed since Tom Brady left across the board. Yeah, that's another thing.

You want to give Bill check the credit for developing Tom Brady. Enter the leave and though, we all know that he's a good offensive mind as a defensive guy, Charlie Weiss, Josh McDaniels, Bill O'Brien. There's a lot of these Kingmaking coaches that were made by being around Tom Brady that proven to not be very good on their own. Don Lebertard. We like to call this one a chorus of Owen Wilson, ready? Still gots. Don Lebatard. We like to call this one a chorus of Owen Wilson, ready? Mm-hm.

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A helpful listener is sent in this statistic. Mac Jones yesterday through his fourth pick six at Gillette Stadium. That's as many as Tom Brady through his entire career at Gillette Stadium. We are happy to have Andrew Hawkins in with us. He studies film all day Saturday so he can be more informed so that his takes can be stronger. You can hear the enthusiasm in his voice. On Tomahawk, the podcast he now

does with Hall of Famer, Joe Thomas during the football season, you sound like you were thrilled to have him back in your life, that Joe Thomas waddling in a hundred pounds lighter than that. Who wouldn't be, Joe, Joe's not waddling anymore. Just happy to have him around the things you're doing these days. I am. That's my guy. We got good chemistry. We went through a lot of like tough, tough shit together. You know, and when you do that, it forms a bond, right? And you're just happy not to be in those scenarios anymore. One win in two seasons. One win in two, it hurt hurts. That physically hurts to play that way. It hurts. It's bad. It's bad enough to physically feel the way you guys do on Monday, but to keep going into the locker room week 14, week 15 when you're winless, it makes it hurt

even more. That makes it the worst part is like, is you got to still trick yourself every week into thinking you're going to win. And after a while, it's like, oh, this is getting tough. Where you able to trick yourself every season? So one time against the Chargers. You know, it was, it was, it was, we got the Chargers. Yeah, but it had to stop at some point. It did, you go into the game, and that was like, again, kind of the moment where it was like,

this might be towards the end, because I started going into the games, I would look across the 50 yard line at their team, and then I would look at our team, and I would say, yeah, there's no way we can win. That doesn't seem possible in the pros. That doesn't seem like a thing that would ever happen in professional football. Do you think the Giants feel that way yesterday? Do you think the Giants go into that game against the Dolphins? We

were talking before we turned the microphones on about who has a better single unit than Philadelphia's offensive line. And you said the Dolphins receivers might be better than Philadelphia's offensive line. And you said the dolphins receivers might be better than Philadelphia's offensive line. Do the giants go into that game yesterday or does Carolina go into that game yesterday and we've got no chance. We're not going to be able to score with them. We're gonna lose.

No, that's a muscle that has developed over time. You have to be there. So maybe some guys are really like the season guys who have been there and they've seen this movie a few times. You start to diagnose like, well, this is here, this is here, and this is here. And when that happens, this is the result. That's why coaches try to keep the locker rooms young, fresh after a while. You got to get out because now you know the same speech that I'm going to tell when this

happens. And so yeah, that's a, that's a veteran thought process. What are you seeing from the 49ers? Is there anything that is jumping out to you in the film that you're watching? They are extremely talented, obviously. But more than that, they are extremely well-coached. They are coached better than most of the teams,

that's not every team in the national football league. And when you watch them against the Cowboys, yes, the players play great. Brock Perdi is at an MVP level, right? This is Mr. Irrelevant. But at the same time, when you watch him against the Cowboys, yes, the players play great. Brock Perty is at an MVP level, right? This is Mr. Irrelevant. But at the same time, when you watch the way those plays are hitting, when you see that George Kittle over the middle,

and it's like, oh, those are good plays. When you look at the film, you're watching how they're using pre-snap motion because they know exactly what the Cowboys are gonna do. They know how their players will respond and the answers to the test are already embedded in the play. So Brock Perty isn't having to do having to do much. He's not having to read much.

He's processing and he's going right where they've told him because it's set up perfectly. It's interesting because their coach so well that people are saying if Mac Jones were on the San Francisco 49ers, that he'd be doing what Brock Pertie is doing currently with the 49ers. Do you agree with that? Because I don't. I disagree. Okay. I disagree because I think, yes, Brock Perti is doing currently with the 49ers. Do you agree with that? Because I don't. I disagree. Okay.

I disagree because I think, yes, Brock Purti is in an advantageous situation. And I always say this about the Shanahan offense. It makes bad quarterbacks. Look decent. Decent quarterbacks look good. Good quarterbacks look great and great quarterbacks MVP level caliper players. So wherever you want to put Brock Purti into that matrix, he is that he has a bunch of ability Like I said, he is a next level processor. He can make a lot of the throws and more importantly

He anticipates where the ball should go. Mac Jones, if you're looking from his rookie year to now He has regressed in those areas and some of it is coaching. Yes, some of it is talent on the outside Absolutely, but when I watch the Jets game Some of it is talent on the outside. Absolutely. But when I watched the Jets game against the Patriots and everybody that week was railing on Zach Wilson. This guy is so bad, he shouldn't be in the NFL, he shouldn't do this.

It was a wet game, yes, but when I watched it, I watched both sides of the game. With the exception of a lucky pass that the Jets secondary busted on, I said, Mac Jones played no better than Zach Wilson. Why? There were at least three, maybe four passes, where receivers had guys beat down the field, and he did not put the ball where he needed to be.

And those are big plays that if you are starting NFL caliber quarterback, you cannot miss one, let alone three of them. So that means he cannot push the ball down the field. And if you can't push the ball down the field, you cannot play in Shenhan's office. And if you can't push the ball down the field, you cannot plan shan hands offense. I saw a stat before the dolphin game, the dolphin inside linebackers before the game. It had 28 passes thrown in their directions as targets. And they'd been completed 27 times

for 300 something yards. The point that you just made about the 49ers was illustrated last night when they put Dibo in motion and you saw as soon as he goes in motion, that's Dibo Samuel against a linebacker. That is an easy throw, whatever direction Dibo decides to go in, the linebacker, there's not a linebacker in the league. Maybe it's on his team. Maybe on his team. Yeah, Warner.

Maybe it's on his team. Maybe on his team. Yeah, Warner. Maybe one on his team can cover that, but there's not another linebacker who can cover Debo Samuel in the open field there that makes for an easy throw for any competent quarterback. That's what good quarterbacks. No, they know their matchups. Yes, there is the X's and O's portion of it, but at some point, and a lot of points in the game, especially when you're in a Shanahan game plan, I'm going to match up this good player versus a player that I don't think can beat him, and we're going to win every time, because his skill set is perfectly matched against the things that you're not good at. Even more than that, when these players are motioning, you'll watch the defender shift,

and it's literally creating the vacancy that they're going to hit. So I'm only sending this for that. Well, I'm back to take two steps over and then keep his eyes that way. And I'm gonna throw right off his ear. And Brock Purdy is throwing those passes at an incredibly high, accurate clip with anticipation. He knows where it needs to be.

His ball placement is impeccable. And Mac Jones just isn't playing like that. Even on the plays that are there, he's not executed. I mean, that's why I will not say that if Mac Jones is in't playing like that. Even on the plays that are there, he's not executed. I mean, that's why I will not say that if Mac Jones is in Brock Pertis Situation, he will be that because he won't be. What innovative new things has Kyle Shanahan picked up on

since you were with Kyle Shanahan over in Cleveland? Because I always get a little bit of a chuckle when people say guys like Mike McDaniel and Kyle Shanahan, they're these innovators. When the bones of the offense, been around for 40 years. Yeah. The Shanahan offense was just that ahead of the time,

several decades ago. What is he doing that's new, that you're putting on the tape and you're like, well, this is a new look for Kyle, that we weren't doing much of that in Cleveland. Because I think, and it's hard to pinpoint one thing because what Kyle does is he bases his offense off of the players that he has.

So yes, when he had me as his leading receiver, which is not a great scenario to be in. I'm self aware enough to know if you're number one receiver is 5-7, there is going to be limitations. I'm not sure unless you're the dog. Unless you're the dog. But I can get into that too of why that makes sense now. But even in that scenario, he's set it up to play towards my strengths and That offense look completely different than the offense he was in the year before or the offense that he called the year after in Atlanta because

The personnel was always different, right? And so when they call him an innovator when they call him a Daniel an innovator It's not because they're taking their offense and saying you're gonna run this exactly the way it is now No, they're saying okay. Here's the 60% that never changes and here's how we change the 40% every year Based on the 53 guys we have in there and so that's what makes those offense is super special is because it's not gonna Look the same as it was the year before I want to play for you and I will in a second some rg3 sound from last week that That jumps off of that point. But before I do that, I wanted to talk to Stu Gott about how he felt about the ridiculous Nathaniel Hackett game, which is something that I was expecting, that there were interesting

games in that four o'clock window yesterday. The only interesting thing about the Denver Jets game was the offseason of Peyton saying that the Denver Broncos were coached more poorly than any team he's ever seen before he inherited them. That led to Aaron Rodgers protecting Nathaniel Hackett, his offensive coordinator with the Jets and saying, keep my coaches name out of your mouth. And then yesterday, after the game, lip readers saw that Salah, when he's saying a good game to Sean Payton, tells him stay humble,

which might be something, he might be something that says all the time to coaches, but this one landed differently, telling Sean Payton to stay humble. If I'm Sean Payton in that spot, it's about the last thing I want to hear from the opposing coach. But what did you get to hear it because you said stuff on the front end about Nathaniel

Hackett. So you're going to hear it. Not after you beat somebody like that. I understand. Like, you don't need to say anything else. The scoreboard does enough for you there. I like it. I'm not going to lie to you then.

I like it. If you want to talk, if you're going to be a bear, be a grizzly, right? And maybe he wouldn't say that if you weren't the one to come out and you know, you also coordinators and players, they want coaches. They have their back in some respects. And yeah, Sean Payton. I didn't mind Sean Payton's comments either to be honest with you. I don't mind any of them. It's for me. I just don't think that I would like it very much if I were Sean Payton. The Sean Payton that knows the current quarterback is not going to be his quarterback a year from that was my favorite Sean Payton. Like it's the Russell Wilson speaking of things

you didn't need to hear. Russell did not need to hear from Sean Payton as he left the field. I have to turn in the ball over. Just didn't need to hear it. And Payton gave him the business anyway. It was great. When things are, when the chips are down, it's funny to watch every time the teams, the coaches, the players, everyone starts to point the finger, right? Because someone has to take blame for this. And Sean Peyton coming out,

saying how horribly coached the Broncos were, right? It does set up the natty hack at bowl. And again, I don't, they were a horribly coached. It was really bad. It's, that's a fact of the matter, but you just don't typically hear that from one coach to another. The reason why I don't mind it is because we history has a way of remembering players in coaches fondly who called their shot, right? And if it because it's high risk, if he says that now he has the Broncos clicking on all cylinders and he goes out there

and he kicks the jets, but everyone's talking about Sean Payne. Like, oh, man, they should have gave up more picks. You talk about an incredible move. That's not the case. And instead, we're like, you know what? Looks like the game is passing you by, buddy. But Dan, I was thrilled with the victory. A, we needed it.

So we're two and three. We're in the mix. And be the defense point really well. But most importantly, because I said this last year when he went down, when Breeze Hall got injured last year, that was the end of the jet season. And to see Breeze Hall without a pitch gap, he could carry the ball as many times as they wanted him to carry the ball yesterday, have 22 carries 177 yards and a touchdown. Like there are different team when that guy is healthy. And that Wilson looks competent and that has to be really unpleasant for him

to go through the whatever that felt like to him. What Joe name is kicking out of the NFL don't show me shame of himself. Damien Woody famous jet Mike Greenberg putting their name jets fans putting their name on please don't allow Zach Wilson never mind into my huddle into my stadium. But to Su's point Breeze Hall makes that all so much easier. It wasn't that game last year where he was killing it that he got hurt against Denver. Makes it a lot easier for a young quarterback.

It does, absolutely. And the coaching, and I will all say the thing you hack it has played a better game in the last two weeks as well, right, because you don't have Aaron Rogers. And it is the easiest coaching job in the world to put Aaron Rogers out there and say, hey, go figure it out. You can literally throw any play. Stu Gotts will be a head coach in two years if he was hired as the office coordinator for Aaron Rodgers.

I've got a serious question for you off of the UM game. If you took the people in this room, all of us, just the same. Desiawating. You put us in the University of Miami offense with 40 seconds left in that game, on Saturday. How many times do we play that game and end up with that result when all we have to do is kneel one time to finish the football game?

If we put all of us in uniform, give me a number. How many games? How many, the number of games that we would have to play Mario is still the coach though, right? Everything is the same But he except except there they are calling time out. They are I'm saying they're kneeling. They're kneeling one time Okay, on offense so the defense is still the same. You guys aren't playing defense No, we're on offense for the University of Miami and all we have to do is take a snap and we're not even we're just

complimentary players we are not not the center nor the quarterback Okay, we're just how many times are we playing that game? We get the result that the University of Miami got on I would say you would win 98 90 maybe 98 times out of 100 because I'm gonna say two million times two million I just figured one of the plays like stew's got to guard. We're not the center. We're not the center or the quarterback. So we're not screwing up the snap.

No, we're not doing much. But like one of those times, no, on the running bat that wants to get to 100 yards. OK, whoever, I'm just a pitcher in stew got to guard and the D-Log just blows him up. Before the quarterback gets his knee down, he bumbles, they pick it up and take it. So I'm like, at least twice.

That's going to happen. We're putting to guys in motion okay ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I urge you to go find Tomahawk. Andrew Hawkins does an exceptional job there and is good friend Joe Thomas, the Hall of Famers, back now to provide him the loving support that Andrew Hawkins loves in his bosom just to spend time there protected as Joe Thomas is the ultimate protector. This is from, that's good sports. Five weeks into the season, Denver has lost to their former number one head coach, Josh McDaniels, number two defensive coordinator, Jack Del Rio, number three head coach, Vic Fangio, number four, ball boy, Mike McDaniel, number five former head coach,

Nathaniel Hackett, this after Walmart paid $4.5 billion for the team, has more than $200 million guaranteed in Russell Wilson and $100 million guaranteed in Sean Payton. When Stugat says that Sean Payton is lighting up Russell Wilson because at the end of that game they need a game winning drive and good gods Stugat. We watched ten years of and good gods to gods. We watched 10 years of Seattle football where you knew at the end of the game, no matter who they were playing, the Seattle Seahawks. We're going to be throwing into your end zone at the end of the game for the game because Russell Wilson was a terror latent games. You were terrified of everything related to Russell Wilson for him to cough

up that football and it to just go running. it right past Sean paid on the sideline right near Sean it was it was right in front of the Denver sideline uh... what are they gonna do about their situation because it would seem that they are proper bleeped there it's not like that's gonna any of that's gonna get fixed are talking about denver is gonna trade everyone certain is gonna be worth something to somebody. Somebody's going to give up a first round pick for Sir Tans because of the corner that he is. How do you fix what's happening in Denver?

I don't know how you fix it. And I think this is like, this is, this is the thing that puts franchises in turmoil because honestly, Russell Wilson isn't playing that bad. I want, I want to put that on record, right? There are plays, there are moments. Obviously you don't, you don't want to fumble late in the game for it to turn into a W for the other team. He's on page for like 40 touchdowns and eight interceptions. He's not playing bad.

Champagne is to a degree doing what he was brought there to do, which was rescue Russell. He's not, Russell's not helping them win, but he's not the reason that they're losing quite like last year. I agree, and I think it is a cop out to start to point, oh, we got to trade everyone. You start those murmurs. They are being outcoached,

and that should be the conversation. Anytime somebody puts 70 points against you, it does not matter who you have out there as a player. This is the NFL. I've played for some very bad teams. We know that, we've addressed that, we've talked about that time, Link. We addressed it too many times.

Every time I'm on here, it's the first thing that comes up. Sorry. And even still, nowhere near close to losing by 50 points, and having 70 points put up against us because there is parity. We're all on scholarship in the NFL. There is a level of just ability that even the worst teams have. So when you lose by that many and you get 70 put on you in this day and age, that is 100% coaching.

So yes, go look at the film and go say all those things, but the number one place you need to be looking is in the mirror and at your coaching staff and say how do we allow ourselves to get that embarrassed because we got out coached in every phase of the game. And so how do you fix it? You either get your coaching staff, right? You get yourself back on the same page and you prove that the NFL football game has not

passed you by because it looks like it is moving a lot faster and out of pace that Sean Payton can keep up with. Do you think that any of the second tier teams that are 4 and 1? I think there are only three 4 and 1 teams. I think it's Kansas City, Miami, and Detroit. Do you believe that any of those teams are as good as the two five and no teams, Philadelphia and San Francisco? Yes, I do. I'm the dolphins and the chiefs, I think, are extremely talented. And obviously we see who the chiefs have at the helm. Besides Andy Reed, right, they have the coaching, they have the players, the best teams have those two aspects. The season goes on, there'll be some with records, there'll be some, oh, they show this, they show that.

Cowboys got out coached tremendously on Monday night football, right? I don't think that happens ever with the chiefs. Besides the fact that they have it the quarterback position, and so I think those teams are still in real contention to be in the Super Bowl. I want to play for you some sound of Tyree Kill talking about Dolphin speed because I

think now the Dolphins have the top eight times to got some of human beings running in the NFL with the ball close to 22 miles an hour. And Tyree Kill mentioned a name that is not one of their fastest players, according to the eight fastest times in the NFL this year. You'll imagine my surprise when Tyree Kill, you got a wait till the end of this clip, unveils something that I did not consider. I'll never say that.

Why would I say that? He's got the fastest time. The fastest time. What is it? I don't remember what it is. He's just 21 point work. Minus 22. And minus 22 point work.

OK. There you go. Now we talk. Wait a minute, wait a minute. No, last week, they may not win, but numbers don't lie. Don't I? I'm just saying, though, I've been doing this since work 2016 baby on the Cheetah You feel me on the fastest in the game and on the fastest in real life to the like I don't be talking my

Excuse my language. I don't be talking my back You feel me like I never let nobody take that crown for me like I'm gonna hold on to that forever So the one eight ten he fast, but I'm nine nine eight fast. You feel me? I'm triple crown high school fast. You feel me? I'm junior Olympic fast. You know me? I'm Mr. Euston Island. He's going out. But the one fast though, he definitely, I would say he's like the third fastest on his team though. We got another kid on practice squad that's pretty fast. He's in Bona. White kid fast. Rollin. He's in the third fastest on his team though. We got another kid on practice squad. It's pretty fast. Ethan Mono, white kid fast.

Rollin'. Ethan Bond? He ran 22 in him and kept having me like, okay, this dude. Oh, okay. I mean, I call him out in a race. I'm stunned by that. I'm stunned by that. He's never afraid to run anybody.

He's never afraid to run against anybody. He's always saying, I'll be DK, mad calf and erase. There's a guy on their practice, squad a white guy who he's saying, I don't wanna call him out in a race. Hey, he must get the juice, man. There ain't a lot of times. It's a white corner.

It's a white corner. It's a white corner. I didn't wanna say it. I didn't wanna say I broke the Rally Moss news here. It's a white corner. It's a white. I didn't want to say it. I didn't want to say I broke the Riley Moss news here. It's a white corner from Stanford. Trust me. He's gonna be great in the venture capital game one day. But right now he's got blazing speed. Maybe. How is that? How is that something that is happening in the NFL right now that Tyree Kale and it's been happening for five years? How many times in your career have you been watching football and been like, this person

is faster than everyone else playing? It's tough. I haven't seen it a lot, but it is very clear to your point about Tyree. Chris Johnson was like that. I'm trying to think who else. Obviously Randy Moss was like that. There was even some moments where it felt like Percy Harvin before you and the injury is like he just felt like they felt like they were moving at a different speed.

And the reason why they feel that way is because they are, right? And not only that, there's a lot of fast people in the NFL. But a lot of the NFL is more cerebral than people realize. The beauty about what McDaniel does, and Shanahan, if you watch their tape, as a whole, offensive line to running backs, to receivers, to defense, especially on the offensive side of the ball,

they are running faster than everyone else because there's not as much thinking, and they understand like anybody, it's human nature, the the more you're thinking the slower you're moving there is no thought process to them they set up their offense purposely that way so you get really fast guys who can be really fast all the time and again it is just shocking defenses. Devon Hester had some of that even though he wasn't actually faster than everybody. He looked like it but he wasn't 4 3 40 fast let's looked like it, but he wasn't 4, 3, 4, fast. Let's play for Hawk, the sound of RG3 arm with us

last week, talking about how all those great coaches failed him. Most people would look at the surface. You had a wonderful rookie season and the coaches that you had in Washington, they revisit every time they're on primetime football. Look at this staff. It's an all-star staff of coaches,

and while Andy Reed certainly has this great reputation, Kal Shanaan is now looked at as one of those guys, and he was with you in Washington, and when you talk about cohesiveness throughout the organization, what was the single biggest impediment to you in Washington from that amazing rookie year and all that promise to where things turn for you?

Because a lot has been written about it. And I haven't heard so much from you. So what was it? Yeah, I mean, I think your point is kind of going back to that graphic of all the coaches that were in Washington that are now head coaches and doing extremely well. You talk about Kyle Shanahan,

you're talking about Sean McBae, Mike McDaniel, Matt LaFlor, and even Bobby Slough, who's a coordinator for the Texans right now, it's one of those situations where in life, certain things just weren't meant to be. So although all those coaches have gone on to become head coaches and are doing really good in the league or great in the league right now,

at that time, they just weren't ready for that. And I do think it was because of the structure of the organization from the top down, how they did business, and what I didn't know going into Washington was that there was a rift between the owner and the head coach. I didn't know that. Listen man, I was a 22 year old kid coming in there, having all my dreams come to a reality, being able to play quarterback in the NFL, playing with some of my favorite players ever when Santana Moss talking about Chris Cooley,

Trent Williams, our left tackle, London Fletcher was our middle linebacker. It's like I was living the dream and didn't understand that the NFL at that time, I didn't understand the NFL is purely a business. What are your thoughts there, Hawk? Yeah, the NFL is a business, absolutely. Now I wasn't in Washington and I don't know exactly

what the scenario called for, but I would say those coaches are pretty successful. And RG3 was pretty successful under their two delicious. So I don't know where the rift, I've heard rumors like everyone else, I've played with RG3, he is a competitor, he wants to be the guy, he wants to sit back there like paid manning and dice it up,

like every quarterback has grown up and dreamed about. They weren't ready for him as well, he's. I don't know if they weren't ready for him, maybe they turned the corner. They seemed ready to come in. They come in like a year. That's fun. Yeah, you know, That would be my assessment.

And again, I think more than anything, in a shenanot fence, a quarterback has to be okay with giving up some of that, that the accolades, giving up some of the credit, I would say, giving up some of the autonomy to do what you want because that is not how the offense goes. And for a young stallion like RG3, this is me outside looking in just to be very clear.

I was not there, I do not know. But it looked like after with that success, it was, hey, I want to be more of the guy, look at what I've done. I think I should be doing this. And that is not how Calshade ahead runs its ship. Ship. Ship, yes. Yeah, ship.

It's also probably why Brock Pertyi is perfectly aligned with the good. Come on, San Ann. You know, if Brock Purti eventually he starts to feel like, yo, I want to do a little bit more. I can promise you, he will not be the 49ers quarterback. That is not how the offense goes. It's as simple as that. Do what you're told. Tomahawk with Hall of Famer, Joe Thomas and Andrew Hawkins. Find it wherever it is you get your podcast. It's on our Levitard and Friends and also on DraftKings Network. It airs at four o'clock on Wednesdays.

Thank you, sir. What was that sound? It was a cosine. Just hammered it home, that's all.