The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: The List About The List (feat. Pablo Torre)

Episode Date: August 7, 2025

"One of you is gonna help me top myself." Pablo has some HUGE episodes coming down the pike, but Mike has a Top 5 Topics To Pitch to Pablo Torre Finds Out. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stucats podcast. I want to be excited about baseball as we head to October, but I feel like the feelings I used to have where NFL starts overtaking. And it's happening earlier and earlier. Roger Goodell is getting his wish. But the preseason is getting underway. Yeah, tonight. Yeah.

And people are unnecessarily jacked up. And I'm not. I can't believe, like, the Hall of Fame game was, what, last week? And, I mean, I can't spend any time watching that. But you see what the ratings were for the Hall of Fame, which is a dog shit game, all right? And people love it. Everyone's watching. It's crazy.

It's out drawing the NBA. It's outdrawn Major League Baseball. And it's... Like big games? Do you understand it's a Hall of Fame game, which is a preseason game. And can we name who played? Chargers, Lions. I think that's who played, and I think the Chargers

blew them out. I think. Hall of Fame game, can't name, I don't think any starters played. 6.9 million people watch that game. Side note, only two Stanley Cup games, Hockey Show, Panthers guys, only two Stanley Cup games, Drew Moore.

That's crazy. I feel like it's got to be like, people are just kind of putting it on, right? People wanted to see Trey Lance, man. Big game for him. You just check in, right? People are not watching that game like they're watching the NHL fine. I don't care. I just can't believe it. Believe it. You have to believe it.

You just put it on, though. You just put it on. No, no, Chris is right about that. You're not sitting there on the edge of the couch locked in, but more people are casually watching that game than these other huge games. It's crazy. It's still interesting. It's crazy. NBA, there were two finals games that had two non-finals games with more, and that's it. And I think I have these stats right, but you can cross-check.

The point is that preseason is something, and they're trying to get rid of it, which they should. But now what everyone wants to talk about, and I have a slightly different thought on this, is the Cleveland Browns. And I have, I don't know if you know this as, but my goal today, Thursday, my last day in the chair, was to see if I could see the veins on my grind. I just, that's what I've been looking for. Hey, you? Well, is Mike, like, are you still totally out on the Browns? Yes. Good for you, man.

Yeah. But there was a way to be back in if Cam Ward got drafted by them. By the way, quick side note, I've noticed ESPN this morning and NFL Network yesterday. Are we doing Cameron Ward? They're writing Cameron Ward. I heard that this morning too. It seems to be his preference in the pros. That's interesting.

He's allowed to give that. I assume it's like baseball where the players give the name they want and then you spread that to all of the stadiums and networks. But Cam Ward is just better. Someone should tell him. Yeah. Cameron. I think three syllables is always the name. Kim Ward just slaps, though. That's just a cool name.

He could just, I think you could just go with one name. But, Mike, I want to talk about the Browns because everyone seems to think there's a quarterback sitch because Sanders is starting the first game. And I am trying. I'm trying to get people onto my side, which is I want the Cleveland Browns to be the best team in football because I want the Haslums to wallow into Sean Watson

and recognize the fact that he was the problem from day one. And I haven't been able to get there. But I think this is the year with Flacko, with Pickett, with Sanders, and with, I think, two others. Gabriel, I think. My guy. Tyler Huntley is in the mix again. Oh, yes, Snoop. Yeah.

Can I get you to watch the game? No, not really. I'm locked in on Cam Ward, though. I like Baker and Cameron. I want you to be worked up about it. I want your favorite. No, I think it's a very interesting hell of their own design. So I'd like to discuss that, but I see the biggest media story of the summers.

onboarded here on our show. We have Pablo ready? Yeah, he's ready. Pablo. Thank God you're here. We didn't get to see Mike's veins. I've been just waiting for the veins. He's been working for those varicose veins.

I guess. I don't think those are varicose veins. Those are just vein veins. But Pablo, he's been worked up, but I assume that you can't focus on this because you are knee-deep finding stuff out. We gave you, there was applause in the room when it was a nice. that you had a rumored seven-figured deal with the Atlantic. Man, you're rich now.

The Atlantic, yeah. Careful. Thanks. Hi, guys. Paulo, do you know how much we have to pay for these WW pay-per-views or not? Like, what the hell's going on here? I'll find that out. I don't know what's going on over there.

I just know that if you're at a total, my, like, now cable sports, not even cable, but just like sports watching budget, it's almost $1,000. I don't know how or what I'm getting. I just know that it's an insane amount. I also know, by the way, that this whole Cameron Ward thing reminds me of how I got scolded for trying to call Patrick Mahomes, Pat Mahomes, because he also wants to do the full thing, right? This is the thing. Patrick kind of slaps, though.

Like, Patrick Mahomes slaps, like, more than Pat Mahomes. Pablo, please do not go past what you did and what you're finding out because this has been the summer of you, and I'm just not willing to just talk about nonsense here. I want to talk about how you're preparing, how the launch is going to be with the athletic and the New York Times and whether we can expect, continue. What exactly is the passion that drove you to this partnership and what can we expect? Thank you for genuinely asking a question. I'm in an offensive crouch because every time I do this show, I'm trying to figure out

how to distract Dan into not insulting me. So it's really exciting. Look, it's an exciting thing because we are going to keep making the show at Metal Arc Media. Like, that's the most exciting thing is that the athletic, the New York Times came to us. I had a meeting in the New York Times building. And they made it very clear that they want us to do this show exactly as we've been doing it, which involves taste testing athlete weed brands, which involves making butter sculptures of myself with Dan Levitard's money. All of that stuff they enthusiastically want.

And so the whole idea of what's changing is, ideally for the audience, like nothing, except for the fact that we will now have access if we do this right, if we earn the trust of our partners at the New York Times and the Athletic, if we do that stuff right, we'll do even more ambitious investigations and even more ambitious episodes. And the upside for us is that we get to access, we get to launder, I would say, are our brand of you know occasionally high journalism high brow also lowbrow journalism into an audience that is unfamiliar with us as of yet and that's really exciting so that's

what's happening on september 4th that's the first episode we'll be launching with which is a i mean i don't want to spoil that episode it's a big one um but yeah i'm really really really really really excited and great can we help you with that one Do you need help from Metallark or from Dan's show? What can we do to help you actually continue to grow and be great? I would say that for that episode, one of you in that room in Miami, one of you will be called upon. One of you will be called upon. I don't want to say anything more, but one of you is very important.

Says, can we vote for it to not be someone? Me? I think it's about Kyle Stowers. It must be. That was my fear. I think that Pablo is going to launch with an entire local PTFO. Stour A Hours. You're going to find out whether who is going to vote for Kyle Stowers as MVP.

We're pivoting to a Marlins podcast, correct. That's what the New York Times has purchased. That's what they've demanded. Now, they didn't purchase it. It's a license. Sorry, they purchased the right to license us. Yeah, and that's, by the way, people, I guess I'm sort of numb. Like part of the journey for people who care about the journey of Metal Arc in which I am on lots of calls and I am also confused about what we're doing here, it's really cool to see an institution basically be like, whatever you guys are up to, we want in on that.

And that's why I've been wasting Dan's money, guys. This has been the game the whole time. I want an institution to buy the right to license something, which means for people who don't know what licensing is. It just means that they advertise, monetize, promote the show, but they don't own the show to David's very correct correction. It's an ideal sort of like rental of us with the promise of being long-term tenants. And that's ideal. I mean, I was talking to somebody the other day about this, trying to explain it because

nobody knows the licensing is, and I totally understand why. And yeah, the reaction is this is the best of both worlds kind of scenario where we give up none of the freedom, but we have lots of upside. And they likewise, if we somehow regress into a Kyle Stour-centric podcast, they can be like, yeah, this is a nice experiment. We don't want to do this anymore. And I would also understand. Pablo, I have a question about meaningful journalism because you did some meaningful journalism

that actually brought about change. Why does that work in the sports world, but it doesn't work in real life? For example, yesterday, one of the richest CEOs in the world gave the president a literal piece of gold in exchange to be exempt from. the president's whimsical tariff policy. Normally, that would be covered, but it's not really. It just happens in front of cameras. Hell, the administration uses that opportunity as a press moment when in previous generations this would be shameful. But you put out an episode and you see immediate shame and change is brought about because of it. Why doesn't it

happen in real life anymore. I did love, by the way, the whole thing where Tim Cook, you know, head of the richest company in the world, I think, still, when he presents what Mike is not exaggerating, I would just say a golden base with a whole like thing on top of it, much like what Johnny Infantino presented to him, by the way, for the club World Cup. He's openly taking payouts. He's openly like, it's very obvious. I think you just have to look at Donald Trump's face as he's smiling. It's work. Like the gift is working. That's why everyone does it, is that it works.

The thing I actually am glad that David is sitting in the chair for is this conversation because the argument for why Tim Cook should do this, of course, is not anything related to some moral anything. It's that he is a fiduciary duty to the shareholders of Apple to do stuff that works. And the quid pro quo works. It is absolutely, David, something that will make. Apple more profitable, which is why everyone does it. And you're super happy if you're an Apple shareholder, super duper happy as you're looking at

your ROI and you're looking at how your stock has grown. And Mike, I think that this should be vain worthy. There are gifts that are given to kings all the time. And it's been going on for hundreds of years. Kings. I said that word purposefully. Yeah, but we're not a monarchy. Well, there's 80 million people who disagree with you that they elected this person.

No, no, no, no, no. That is a fallacy. And I hated when my Republican friends do this, that this is the will of the people. This is not. This is the will of Project 25, which he expressly said he had nothing to do with. And then they just go with the lie. This is not what he ran on. It's not. Hell, even the thing that is closest to what he ran on was a lie because it's not violent criminals and gang members. So I don't understand why we're just willingly. And it's not by coincidence that. that habeas corpus is removed from the Constitution, and it's not a coding error, all right? It's not any of that. It's happening right in front of you, and because you're ignorant and you want to refuse to admit that you were wrong, you don't want to capitulate, you're literally going to turn into a monarchy. I got the veins, Pablo. Can you see it?

Yeah, as I say, they're varicose. They're still not vericose. I can see all of them. They're protruding. But nobody seems to give a shit. they've effectively flooded the zone. I mean, what's happening, like the world's most notorious human trafficker

just gets moved to a minimum security prison. Telling Maxwell? Yes, yes. Wait, what did you call her? Most infamous living human trafficker. I thought you meant like the best. No, the most infamous. No.

Do we want a power rank? Can we get a top five human traffickers? David, you got that. But it's happening right in front of people. And it runs counter to the promises that were made on the campaign trail, and yet the base just goes along with it. Why, we know that Democrats are going to be angry.

Why aren't Republicans? Well, this is a, so the question that you originated was a good one. Like, why does this matter in sports, but not in politics? And I think the answer is in the ability for shame to be a guardrail. However, fleeting, by the way, I wouldn't say that the NFLPA currently is covering itself in glory. And spoiler alert, I'm still reporting on that story, in terms of how they are handling the regime change.

But there was a regime change. And there was somebody in the character of Lloyd Howell who was like, this is too much for me. I'm not built for this. I am in fact built not different. I don't want this. Trump has certainly this bed of nails phenomenon where he can just handle everything and the more scandals, the less pain is inflicted. The thing though, the thing about like, okay, what matters?

Like the Jeffrey Epstein thing, I was just having this. debate last night with some very smart people and the thing I argue is not that we finally got him we finally got the thing that Elon Musk was not when it came to like who his betrayal is going to be the real death now or the convictions which were obviously something that he wriggled out of and nobody cares the reason why is because I think when you run a campaign premised on the number one problem that America that they're not telling you about is pedophilia and the deep state is what's enabling it and then you become the deep state and now you're like the pedophilia thing not not a big deal you lose those anti political people who don't care about politics who you got into your coalition and this is by the way this is Joe Rogan this is Joe Rogan this is uh I mean go down the line right these are theoban these are the people who are like whoa whoa whoa whoa this feels like a bridge too far in terms of what are capacity. to swallow is is going to allow and that that sensitivity to his base I think is why

Trump is acting so weirdly about this I don't know what's in the files yet but wait a minute you know that he is behaving in a way that suggests he is afraid of his base turning on him because of it and that to me he's always had a good read on his base and he's seeing these man as fear quote unquote hate that term, but those guys being like, eh, this is too much. And that, to me, is interesting as a signal. All right, it's the dog days of summer

and the perfect time to cash in on your baseball smarts with Drafking Sportsbook. New customers bet just $5 and you'll get $200 and bonus bets instantly. Pick a slugger to go yard, ride some live odds, or just vibe with your team. No stats required, just swings. Download the Drafking Sportsbook app and use code Dan. That's code Dan for new customers to get $200 and bonus bets instantly

when you bet just $5. only on Draft Kings. The Crown is yours. Gambling problem, call 1-800 gambler. In New York, call 87-8-8-Hop-N-Y or text Hope-N-Y in 4667-369. In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling call 888-78-9-77- or visit ccpg.org. Please play responsibly on behalf of Boot Hill Casino and Resorting Kansas. 21 and over. Agent eligibility varies by jurisdiction, Void in Ontario. Bonus bets expires seven days after issuance. For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see dkng.com.com slash audio. Don Lebertarred.

Murrow and Peabody, Peabody, Peabody, Peabody, Moorough and Peabody and Peabody and Peabody Namedity. Everdardarmerow Award nominated. Peabody. Morrow. Pobody's. Murrow and Peabody. Peabody. Evredarmero and Peabody. Peabody Award. Peabody. Peabody Award. Thugatts. Murrow and Peabody.

This is the Don Lebatar Show with these two gods. I'm just going to go on record, and I'm happy to go on record today at this moment that if Pablo Tori finds out what's in the Epstein files, and that's, he needs one of us in the room, and that's the first episode, who's the volunteer? Who's there? Who do he got? I don't think anyone will care. We've passed a tipping point. There is clear and obvious upfront corruption, and bribes have. happening in front of everybody's face. Like the Maxwell leaks yesterday, coordinated as they were, that she reportedly didn't have anything bad to say about Donald Trump. What a quinky dink as Donald Trump's former personal attorney goes and meets with her two weeks ago, and she's moved to a federal, a minimum security federal prison.

This is overt. This is clear as day. These aren't context clues. This is playing out right in front of you. The president gets to say in front of a microphone, oh, I know nothing about that. Really? That defies all logic. And plus, he's lied several times about it. The files were made up. They were made. They're not actually real. They're on someone's desk. None of this matters. And I just, we're well beyond the tipping point of it ever mattering. Now, there have been societal shifts. I don't want to discount us from ever turning around from this. I think we can. But AI makes everything way more difficult. The rules that they put in place to really tear down the republic. makes it harder to climb out from, and it seems like we're further away than ever.

No, I think they'll care. I'll do it. Yeah, I'll be there. Pablo, you got at least three deep people who want to be part of that episode. Look, the NFLPA head. You want to be on the list about the list. He's going to say, it sounds like you're going to reveal a list,

and when you said it involves someone here, it's like, whoa, someone's on the list. No, this is a list about the Epstein list. Where's Joe? He's been on vacation too long. I need Joe to talk me down. Yeah. What's Mika? I hate you guys.

Can you find out where they've been? I'm in the green room. Joe was on the show today. What? Was he tan? He better be tan. That better be a nice base. We're all tanner than we'd otherwise be in the month.

How can anyone go on vacation during a time like this? Where's Dan? Can I briefly point out a couple of things? Cortez, who is who is texting me as a producer, republicatory finds out some important information because people have been wondering do we need to subscribe to anything is stuff going to be paywalled what is happening and so to be very clear podcasts still given to you for free youtube videos full episodes given to you for free you should subscribe to the new york times and the athletic for lots of good reasons but that's not because

you must do that to listen and watch us so just to clarify again we're not going to make you pay for anything, although you can pay for subscribers to my substack in which will give you exclusive content and like meetups and stuff and I'll make it worth your while. You can be on a list about the list, about the list, even. You can be told about who should be on the list. You're going to make it worth my wife. Pay your substack to know where to meet you. Well, how do we get red zone? How do we get red zone? How much am I paying for WWE now? Careful here, Pablo. I'm just begging you to be careful. I don't know what you guys have been doing today? Trying to figure out answers.

Probably crashing out. We launched the Kyle Stowers MVP candidate CNN, and Virk laughed at Jeremy. I'm just counting down the hours to go see weapons tomorrow. It's been a day of questions. And Pablo, I would say that we've got one more question for you because your

time has to be limited because you're saying that everything's for free. I would like to point out to Billy and Mike. His podcast, Pablo Toro finds out, you don't have to pay for it. Easy to find. said that i but you guys are all up in arms about red zone so man well i'm tired of it do i have to pay for red zone no one knows they've been losing their minds about what they're paying for and so totally begrudging pain for quality where i have a totally different view

that i would pay for your podcast and maybe that makes me different but all of your loyal listeners who are finding shit out i would pay for whoa whoa that's a good title of a show pablo tori find shit out he certainly does to what he's finding out day paula i was also called an elitist because i said five below should remain below five dollars and they shouldn't sell anything above that oh yeah see i have i i mean this is obviously the dollar store argument like why are you what are we doing here that's what we're nine nine cents store but why why can't the dollar store have stuff at different price points i mean and change the name how is this how is this even an argument like what are we doing here does thrifty rent a car always

charge fewer dollars than Hertz and Avis and Enterprise? You show them a better offer. They'll beat it. Well, that's Fast Eddie. That's very normal in the industry that if you can beat an offer, a matching offer. These are all normal. But it doesn't matter what the name of the company is. Just because it's dollar store.

It doesn't mean everything has to be a dollar. David, if the store is called everything here costs a dollar, I just kind of expect that. That's just all we're saying. It's probably inappropriate. It's probably appropriate that the name of my show, thank you, David, is Paul Vintori finds out, and I make it a point to find stuff out. The name of David's show is nothing personal. You should subscribe, and everything is personal.

So I guess there is a through line in his approach to titles. And the name of this show is the Dan Levittar show with Stugats, and neither have been here for quite some time. Listen, I happen to just say that the name, it's the whole wine label argument that we had when Jeremy wasn't here and he was oiling his arm. that you have to in every way possible understand the products you're getting and then what you're willing to pay for that product.

And you have to be willing to pay for stuff. It's why we work. It's why we earn money to spend on the stuff that we want. And I'm not embarrassed to say that I want Pablo Tori finds out twice a week, three times a week. Are you doing three times a week with a new deal or is it more? We're doing three times a week. But again, if you subscribe to my substack,

I'm going to do some stuff that's exclusive to those subscribers in which, yeah, I'll do maybe a fourth episode in a given week just for that. I do subscribe to your substack. I am a paid subscriber to your substack. Thank you. Pablo, do you have a list, like, of all the things that you want to find out? Yes. Like, how long is that list currently right now?

So now Zaz is getting to what I'm here to talk about. So I think this is hard to see because my notes app is. There's an eye. Hold on. Let me find the part I can show you that is seeable because I have an ideas. Well, what are you afraid to just hold up and show us? You got something shady going on there? Well, if you screen copyright, then you can't do it. I'm going to make it so far back that you can't really see it. Copyright. Just look at, I'm just going to scroll.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can't really see the phone, so. You have like the blur feature, I think, on your thing. So we can't really see anything. It's totally working, Poplar. We can't tell you're in a blue room either because everything's blurred back there. Hold on. Let me see if I can... You call it a green room.

It is a green room. Yeah, Zaz, it's a good idea. It's all ridden down, and I'll get to it eventually. Like, how many would you guess that you have? I want to show you the scroll bar. Hold on. Oh, God, I don't want to... I can't show.

It's just so... You know how you do Instagram stories sometimes, and you're like, that person posted way too many stories? Yes. And it's like the size of the period. Sure, sure. That's the size of the scroll. bar on my notes app so you got ideas across the top i got look the thing that and i'm so glad that david has been has been recently and and i so genuinely appreciate i've been a champion of

ptFO and our staff and all people who make it and by the way this is so much about me getting help from people i can't do it without them all that i hope is very obvious david always talks about our staff. This is a victory for them. We get to do the things we do with them. That's so incredible for us, even though Ryan Cortez is texting me annoying factual corrections. The reason I say all of this is because when it comes to how we make the show, yeah, like, it, it, it, man, there's so, I try not to spoil episodes, but we are doing things. I'm not even saying sentences right now. I'm not even saying sentences because I'm trying to avoid what I think is important to convey, which is that we are actively investigating things that the federal government is also investigating.

And I don't want to show you the notes that file because I'm not kidding. And so how do we get to do that more with the help of people who like and subscribe? So thank you. Do you have lawyers on staff ready to roll? We have a lawyer at Meadowlark who is incredible. By the way, shout out. Thank you for giving me a shout-out opportunity to Christopher Poe, Meta Larch's attorney. He is somebody who vets our episodes when there's legally questionable or rather legally interesting material, and it's just rare to have

somebody who's a champion for the journalism and not trying to actively discourage it. I've worked at companies where that's not the case. Which companies? You know. No, I don't know. That's what I'm asking. You know. Don Libetard.

David Samson. old. Because he was not the fun substitute teacher who'd wheel out a TV and play a VHS tape for Armageddon in science class. He was the weird one who would eat an egg salad sandwich while clipping his toenails into the trash can and ranning about Ronald Reagan.

Stugats. The guy kept talking about how his ass was smooth. Smoother than a newborn's cheek. He wouldn't stop bragging about his bare buttocks to me. This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugats. Well, while you're thinking about whether or not I can find that out, I think Mike may have a top five for you. Yeah.

Top five pitches that I have for Pablo Torre finds out. No, yeah. Number five. Is Nick Saban a paid lobbyist? Easy to find out. It was very funny. and he was asked, like, so you're on this commission, right? This Trump, as you're on this commission, he was like, no.

He is, and he's speaking before Congress, and he has a lot of gravitas to him, and he is speaking and espousing these virtues on cable TV's biggest college football studio show, and he has never been asked on camera as to whether or not he's a paid lobbyist because he should disclose that, because no one on that show is really presenting a counterfeit.

argument and the machine just keeps going. It's public, Mike. I would like to know if he's I know he's a, I know he's certainly a lobbyist because he is lobbying Congress on behalf of the old guard, but I would like to know if he's being compensated for it.

Okay. Conventionally or with some other concessions down the line. That's the good idea. I mean, look, Derek Dooley is running for Senate. Tommy Tuberville's an actual senator. These are not ridiculous questions to ask. Number four.

Number four. Max Shrews. Ten minutes after he hit a three-pointer, they changed the score on Eastern Conference finals. Finally. Ten minutes later, we had never seen anything like that. Potentially cost me a third championship ring, Pablo. We haven't seen anything like it since. The source was just, trust me, bro.

There hasn't been a single. image of Max Shrews' heel actually touching out of bounds. Bullshit! Jimmy Butler should have been driving to the lane with a tie game and just dunking for a go-ahead bucket. They changed history.

This was the score that existed in a game for 10 minutes, and then Mike Green explained to us, just out of the blue, a league officer just decided he was out of bounds, even though we have no evidence to actually support that. We've never seen anything like it since. I'd be a three-time chance. champion broadcaster.

That's Veracose Vaines. Pablo, is that interest you in any way? It is interesting. It's also interesting that Mike's Mike Breen is Lauren Michaels. Number three.

Rick Riley. Where is he? Where is he now? I mean, he signed a deal. It seemed like a bad deal. He was like the biggest writer in America. Then he joined the biggest. brand and it just never worked out and he just went away and I don't know what's happening to him

is he still on the payroll? I was going to say sports by Brooks but then he came out and he kind of revealed that he's like a history buff now so I settled on Rick Riley so Sports by Brooks was DMing me the other day and it was such a delight to hear from Sports by Brooks who is a history buff and has lots of thoughts about sports and history

and politics now I used to go to his side for the boobs I'll admit that now he is pivoted. You see Say that as if that wasn't all of us, Pablo. I just remember like the sidebar of his site was just like a list of JPEX, basically. And I clicked. I did click.

Rick Riley was, for those too young to remember, one of the great long-form writers before he was the preeminent sports columnist, backpage magazine columnist at least, in America. He was incredible, an incredible, read the story about Marge Schott, the former Cincinnati, Eddie Reds owner that Rick Riley wrote. It's just one of the most fun, skilled pieces of writing in any genre anywhere, and I have no idea where he is now. But why is Mike worked up? Why are you worked up about that? I want to find out. Yeah, it's a mystery. Okay. Um, Pablo, you, you might have done this episode. Uh-oh. And I'd be very embarrassed. I don't listen to all the episodes. I try to. I try to. Did you do an episode on the yips?

Daily did an episode about the Yips, have not done our PTFO treatment of the Yps. It's, I mean, look, it's self-evidently fascinating, right? It's called white line disease. I'm sure David has encountered someone with the Yps in his capacity as executive of a baseball team. It's been called all sorts of euphemisms. It is real. It is something that manifests most prominently in golf and basketball and Ben Simmons at the free throw line.

It's a real thing. It's a real thing. I thought the Yips were solely baseball. in terms of where the name came from. It's happened in golf as he cited. It happens in other sports, but I thought the name Yips was baseball generated. I'd like to see the PTFO treatment on it.

And my backup for that was NASCAR Charters, but, you know, I've been pitching that privately for years. We did a nothing personal second on it. NASCAR ideas. And number one, Spanish tax laws. The game's best. biggest icons in both coaching and playing have all been pinched by the Spanish government and initially it's been reported like they're going to serve jail time yet they never do

why does nobody ever pay their taxes in Spain why do they always get penalized but not really I'm talking Ronaldo messy Jose Marino Carlo Ancelotti this happens to everybody over there there's always some kind of felonious scandal when it comes to taxes and I don't understand it I'd like to find out why. Do you want it to be the correspondent on that one? No, I don't have, I have nothing to offer other than like, this is happening. Well, correspondents go and find out stuff. They go correspond.

No, that's what he's there. I got this job. He's got that job. No, you understand that he has the other people do the job, and then he gets the credit. I happen to know that Pablo Tori does a fair amount of sleuthing. Whoa. Wait. I do some sleuthing.

Especially Spain? If that's Spain, probably will take that. There is another episode that's taking me to Spain sometime in the next year that I am actively. I've been reporting as long as I've been reporting any story. I might make a pit stop for tax law while I'm over there. It's a good idea. The honeymoon of Belichick and Jordan? Will it be in Spain?

Jordan. Jordan. Excuse me. Thank you. I don't believe that they are engaged, despite the fact that Bill Belichick's boat has been renamed nine rings or whatever. it is. I don't believe that that is the case. But my investigation into that continued. That's not an accident. I'm going to stroke you real quick. You've had an Adrian Belichick

contract here. You've had a big time summer. You've dominated sports pop culture with the Belichick thing. And then the NFLPA thing was, honestly, you may win awards for that journalism there. You have this new partnership. I know you, and I know you like being talked about. So you're going to try to Tommy Topp yourself, but how do you? September 4th, one of you is going to help me top myself. And I don't mean that in the way that some of you may already presume is disgusting and graphic, despite the fact that you are on a list about the list. Not the same list, not the same top, but we are going to Tommy Top ourselves.

Pablo, thank you. As Pablo Tori finds out, and Metal Arc, it's a victory for Metal Arc. It's a victory for everyone in this room, everyone listening to this show. And they're still doing shows three times a week. But starting September 4th, it will be associated with the athletic and the New York Times. Pablo Tori. See, this is how it can go when we're all nice to each other. You know what?

I just want to say thank you, Dan, for letting me waste your money. And then hopefully waste less of your money, even though you're never at the show that you host. Thank you. Wow, Zaz. I'm just, I'm trying to figure out who's the person that's going to be on. on the list that's going to be about the list. According to Mike, it doesn't matter because everyone knows who's on the list. Mike, apparently, your point of view is that you know that the list is the list.

I mean, we know he's in the files. It's obvious it's in the files. It's been reported by reputable, it doesn't matter. But he was saying that we have to hold people accountable for being in the files. I just want to know who else is in the files. And then you always hear, well, the one in Biden release. files. And then I have to explain that the files were sealed. And then someone who is very stupid looks back at me and says, why does that matter? And I'm like, well, before the division

between the executive branch and the Department of Justice used to matter. But they don't understand that because they're stupid. Do you know that three branches of government? Judicial, executive. Yes. And I think Pat Riley and Nick Erison oversee the third. But there's like a power struggle, I think. Ooh, Pablo should find out about that. Yeah. You think that Nick Erison is involved somehow in the legislative branch? No, I was making a joke to move the show on.

Why would, I don't want to move on from your insanity about this. I feel for you. The one that more jury Taylor Green's a part of. Oh, that side. The one that represents the best of us. I will move on from that. I'm glad we had Pablo. That was the thing as the whole process of getting.

that deal done and figuring out sort of the best place for pavitory finds out so he had a bunch of options it's palatory finds out people wanted to find out with him go for him and so the reason why the athletic makes sense is it's just as they said in that press release that's a press release where we all knew what to do so i don't know why people thought like oh is it paid or not paid is it still free was right there and he explained it there he did a very clear and concise job of explaining this is what it costs, which is nothing, and you could still get it available here. See, I understood how to get it.

They released the story, and he's like, oh, there was one question, and here's the answer to that question. It was very nice. So my commitment going forward is to try to demystify some of these press releases like we do on Nothing Personal because there are some press releases

that are ridiculous and ask more questions than they answer. But Pablo's one, which was worked on by a lot of people, was very clear. And I'm personally excited for September 4th. Any idea what that episode's going to be? Very secretive.

He just said that he's investigating the files. He also said he's got more on the NFLPA. Did you hear him say that? I'm looking for context clues, Mike. Lots of context clues because you tell me that that's what I miss often, on and off the air. So he said something about NFLPA. Who was left to kill at the NFLPA? I mean, there's new, there was a mission statement sent out.

There's new leadership already. So he's going to take down the new leadership after taking down the old leadership? I don't know. I don't know what Pablo's going to do. Someone who knows, because someone's going to be involved in that episode. I have a theory. Presumably that person knows already. Yeah, it's you.

Because we all talked. It's none of us. It can't be me. Yeah. It's definitely not. It's definitely not Chris. It's you. You think that everyone is telling you the truth?

Do you think you're credible enough? It's me.