The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: The Oatmeal Indigestion

Episode Date: June 24, 2025

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Starting point is 00:01:03 This episode is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. You guys have heard me talk as the media shakes all around us and starts to crumble about the ideas that Greg Cody's show featuring Greg Cody with his son is a business and God bless football and stupality are businesses and Pablo Torre finds out is a business.
Starting point is 00:01:28 And so I should tell you by way of promotion that Stu Gotz is doing God bless football more often and is trying to get a running start with Pilots on being around five days a week on God bless football as he grows that. Why don't you tell the people, Stugots, how it is they can get to where it is they need to get to in order to find all things gots on StuTube. You can also find Stupotity as well. We have a new episode that's out right now.
Starting point is 00:01:55 We had Tim Legler on, so he was pretty interesting. You can go to youtube.com slash at Stugots790. That's where you go. He was pretty interesting. Classic. It's not much of a sale for That's where you go. He was pretty interesting. It's not much of a sale for Tim for Tim Legler though. He was pretty interesting. Isn't that Stugat salesman? I'm just letting you know that there's an episode out right now. We did an episode. We did two episodes
Starting point is 00:02:15 yesterday. So we're doing stupidity. We're trying to bring that back. It's doing very well. I appreciate everyone's support. We're doing that three to four times a week. We'll get to five times a week with God bless football once football rolls a wrap I tell you when I hear that Tim Lundgaard was pretty interesting who Tim Lundgaard legs You do seem to be great To be a tough one for him you put like six or seven L's in leg It sounds like you after 12
Starting point is 00:02:46 But no when I hear that he's pretty interesting it makes me want to listen thank you I mean what pretty interesting that's that's big price. He was pretty interesting is not like maximum sales Sealing with Tim Legler and pretty interesting is the ceiling and so he hit the ceiling I was proud of Tim I don't yeah, I don't think that's the ceiling with Tim Legler. He's one of the best doing it. I think Tim Legler... He was great. I mean... But okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I'm not... You like to undersell. That's not usually you. That's not usually you. I know. I want to ask all of you this question about... You've heard me lament in
Starting point is 00:03:23 various ways the degrees in which sports coverage changes. So that one of the talking points after Shea Gilgis Alexander and OKC gives us a championship that I guess people are sort of confused by because they're looking at it and they're like, well, aren't all these guys supposed to suffer for a few years before they get that good and celebrate
Starting point is 00:03:43 in their early 20s winning the NBA championship. They suffered last year. They seem indifferent. That's the part that annoyed me the most. They're young and there's something unsatisfying of customers feeling, for whatever the reasons are, like they have more joy about what the history
Starting point is 00:04:01 of the story is than these kids out there that are in their early 20s and didn't even need a veteran of any kind to win the entire sport. But at Barstool Sports, Mark Titus says of Shea Gilder's Alexander, quote, "'I have zero respect for SGA, zero, none. "'I bleeping hate watching him.
Starting point is 00:04:21 "'I think he's the worst MVP of my lifetime. "'I think it's a disgusting watch I think the Thunder are blight on basketball. I think the way they play is disgusting I think that there's this idea that they are a team like a bunch of young guys that come together and play great team defense They don't like they hack the shit out of guys and Bob Ryan. I love this I'm not gonna say he speaks for all of us here, but he speaks from an indignance that comes from Greg Cody's 1919 baseball age. Hmm.
Starting point is 00:04:51 He says of Mark Titus, who is this shithead? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha It's not I would say it's not classic Bob in that Bob has never been this aggressive throwing shit from on top of Mount Sports writer like when when a columnist does this to you Bob Ryan does not normally hit anybody with who is this shithead Mark Titus is what is new Boston Boston sports Is it not is Barstool not new Boston sports coming to take the city away from Boston? He's not really a boss and guy. Barcell did rise up from Boston, but we were talking about Mark Titus when he had his Club Trillian blog as a,
Starting point is 00:05:30 what was he, Ohio State? As an Ohio State rotational player? I mean, his point is that SGA is not fun to watch. Do we disagree? He's not, I mean. Like, I kind of see the point he's making. Obviously he was saying things that were strong takes, but he's not the most fun guy to watch.
Starting point is 00:05:44 Okay, but what do you want? You don't want mid-range? I mean, you don't want somebody who can get every shot that he wants, that everyone has to get out of the way because he's gonna score 35 quietly, usually efficiently? What are you laughing about, Billy? I'm just not going through Bob Ryan's replies, which is great, because someone tweeted out,
Starting point is 00:06:02 do people still eat baked potatoes? And Bob Ryan said, you know know what I need to reply to That he said dinner tonight Then someone else said super serious question to people over the age of 50 still read newspaper And he said what kind of stupid question is this? Bob Ryan spending a lot of time on Twitter answering people's questions for some reason that aren't directed at him He's just looking up questions to answer. We used to play Explain Your Tweet with him a lot.
Starting point is 00:06:27 There was one that he had over the weekend that was just a certified banger. It was, I was on the beach between 16th and 17th Street in North Beach, Haven, New Jersey, listening to my transistor radio when Jim Bunning threw his perfect game against the Mets 61 years ago today. Where were you? Greg? Where were you?
Starting point is 00:06:46 I was at the Cleveland area. What was the date again? I'll tell you where I was. It was Jim Bunnings perfect game against the Mets 61 years ago. You can't do this. You made up that you saw Wilt Chamberlain's game when famously there's no video of it. He did. He saw it. I mean, I made up it. 1961 just, you're just at this chance. I mean, you saw a little bit. Yeah. In 1961, well, I was six going on seven, so I don't have a vivid memory. Again, Bob. No, it was 61 years ago. Bob Ryan hitting you. Good chance you were home, I mean. Bobby. Bob Ryan hitting you with, who is this shithead? That one stings if you're Titus. No. Yeah, he's been in the media game for 20 years and he's had a respectable career that Bob should have been made aware of
Starting point is 00:07:28 over the last few years. Someone tweeted out, am I the only person in America who's never owned a pair of Crocs? And Bob said, hell no. Bobby. I'd like to bring back, explain your tweets, I'd like to bring back, Bob Ryan, I heard, I was driving around this weekend,
Starting point is 00:07:44 I heard Peter Gammonons on the radio. Telling stories. Still doing it, huh? Diamond notes. I believe last weekend, I don't know if this was a taped interview or not, might have been Peter Gammons Day at Fenway Park. Really?
Starting point is 00:07:57 I think so. How did I miss that? I'd go. I'd go. Well, speaking of older, not this old, but speaking of ESPN personalities or people that you grew up on, Stu Gott, Max Kellerman is about to make his return and Max Kellerman has been a prodigy in our business since he was 14 years old. And I'd be curious just people listening to this, what they would think of Max Kellerman leaving
Starting point is 00:08:25 First Take and I guess probably taking some of the nuance with him because one of the complaints that Stephen A had about Max Kellerman and getting him fired was that Max was offering context to an argument show and he wanted to do an argument show and since then it's become more and more of an argument show although I guess we probably all know at this point that Shannon Sharp is not likely to ever work at ESPN again, right? Like that's not.
Starting point is 00:08:51 I don't know. Well, but I mean, I think we can reasonably assume that Shannon Sharp would like it to look like he has a chance to return. I don't know that you can beat Disney and allow any of what happened there. Does he need to? I mean, it helps to be on that platform during the week,
Starting point is 00:09:09 but Stephen A has made it. I mean, I don't know how many people care about this, but Stephen A just sort of works independently now. He got the deal that allows him to just be on first take and then do everything else, and in doing so, first take has been a giant for a long time, Max Kellerman fell by the wayside. And I think we can say Stephen A profited off of his decision
Starting point is 00:09:32 there in every way in a way that was really good for Stephen A and ESPN, but less good for Max Kellerman. So I searched Max Kellerman on social media because I saw he's calling a big time boxing fight and it feels big in part because Max Kellerman is calling this fight. It's his first boxing match in 24 months. He's partnering back up with Jim Lampley who just himself returned from a six year hiatus calling boxing matches.
Starting point is 00:09:57 You're saying Max makes the match feel bigger. You get Lampley and Max together on a call. Boxing has been missing Max together on a call. Boxing has been missing, those two on a call. That's what, I know I grew up on those two voices that speaks out long, Max Kellerman's been in the business and he's still a young man. But Max Kellerman, I was searching his name on social media and there's a lot of positivity about,
Starting point is 00:10:21 man, we didn't realize how good we had it when Max was over there. And what's happened is, as Stephen A has leaned into the politics and sometimes going right to the center, or at least not nearly as progressive as Max's takes were. Remember when Max was there, a lot was going on in the country. It's not like less is going on now, but his voice. One of the great insults and indignities of Stephen A's career is on his show, Terrell Owens saying on that show
Starting point is 00:10:53 that Max was blacker than Stephen A. Max was often on the right side of these issues, and the more prevalent they get to, Stephen A is more and more comfortable talking about politics on first take even, that man, perhaps they should have let it ride out a little bit longer. That showed of age with some grace and Max's voice would have been a little bit more pronounced and more appreciated as the times evolved and as Stephen A's career also evolved. Peter Gammons day is January 9th. Was
Starting point is 00:11:21 proclaimed in 2009 so just 16 years off on your take. Bob Ryan has defined himself as a Jersey guy in the questions, not a Boston guy. He replied to a question, do you like black coffee, no sugar, no cream? Bob Ryan has said, only way to go. Then someone else tweeted, no one truly loves cauliflower, right?
Starting point is 00:11:40 And he said, can't imagine. Put it on the poll please, at LeBittard Show, does anyone truly love cauliflower, yes or no? right and he said can't imagine What do you think Max Kellerman's price would be because everyone has a price What do you think Max Kellerman's price would be to call a Jake Paul fight? Because I cannot imagine that Max Kellerman likes the Jake Paul I cannot imagine that Max Kellerman likes the Jake Paul boxing Circus and he views again as a boxing historian and a gatekeeper for boxing But but why are you doing that views himself? He replaced Larry Merchant Larry Merchant was the longtime voice of boxing it's a big deal that Lampley and Kellerman are doing this fight and This is as UFC has its worst year at the top of 2025
Starting point is 00:12:28 Diluted but in at least in part by some of the ESPN plus Diluting of how many matches that they have on UFC boxing is trying to make some sort of comeback here and Max Kellerman is purposely choosing the sport that he loves the most since being a prodigy from 14 years old to make a pretty loud return after two years of silence have shown us what because super unusual for Max Kellerman to just disappear and now return and have value in a new media economy as somebody who sat out the last two years and Comes back pristine after first take becomes something else in his absence. So what do you think he would charge to do a fight?
Starting point is 00:13:13 Everyone's got a number. Everyone has a number, but this is very much below him in what he stands for as a boxing broadcaster. What do you imagine Max makes per fight? That's a quite, I don't, I wouldn't know. I think because of contracts, he never had the opportunity to call one of Jake's fights because of different broadcast rights
Starting point is 00:13:30 and him being tethered to HBO at the time. I can see him doing it. And then when he was calling ESPN, they didn't have the Jake Paul fights. Every time that I looked up that he talked about Jake Paul, he didn't really poo poo him, to borrow a phrase from earlier. He broke it down seriously and did toe the
Starting point is 00:13:45 line that some of these cards are really good for the sport. They get good boxing cards there, especially the women's boxing game. So he has broken them down seriously. So I think he would. You think he'd do it? I think he would. And look, this fight is being run by TKO, right? TKO has Logan Paul as a wrestler in WWE presently. There's all sorts of rumors of them partnering up with the Saudis and doing more of these boxing events and Max Kellerman has been brought into the fold. So I imagine it's only a matter of time before he's calling one of these Paul
Starting point is 00:14:13 brother fights. When I say Max Kellerman is a prodigy, I believe he was on New York cable television as a boxing analyst at 14. I believe he had a show at 14 years old and that was his introduction to media and he is extraordinary on boxing. It's his favorite sport. I believe Marcellus Wiley has called him a genius and I do believe that that is so of Max Kellerman. And so it was interesting to watch the changes in first take over the last four years but also happy to see that Max is returning and I would imagine with many opportunities. I would imagine that Max with Freedom can now grab
Starting point is 00:14:48 a number of different jobs that might be more fulfilling than what he was doing in his earlier life. I don't know what the contract language was. Remember, he got bought out of his contract and he hasn't done anything really for 24 months, and it seemed as though he was satisfied sitting out and seeing what the media landscape would be. And I do think that people learn to appreciate him more
Starting point is 00:15:04 in his absence rather than him just moved on to the next thing and try to stay in the cycle. It's an interesting case study. He was 16 when that show started, that's a fine. Okay, is it a fine? Do I deserve a fine? 16. Yeah, it's a fine, fine.
Starting point is 00:15:18 Forgiveness too. That's a big fine. I'm not a young man, really, but I'm 39 years old. And Max Kellerman was one of the voices of boxing and known as a boxing historian when I was a little kid watching documentaries about boxing. And how old is Max? He's barely, he's 51 years old.
Starting point is 00:15:36 It's crazy. It doesn't seem like Billy has any interest or enthusiasm for Max Kellerman's return. No. Well, he asked a question, no one answered it. Hold on a second, that's not a fair thing to say. He's asking what's his number. I'm not throwing a party, hey it's a Max Kellerman
Starting point is 00:15:50 watch party because he's coming back after being gone for two years. I have no problem with Max. I'm just asking if he would do a Jake Paul fight. I agree with Billy. I mean I'm not gonna watch a boxing match because of who's calling it. You know, I just am not that interested in it.
Starting point is 00:16:05 But you don't love boxing. Well, I used to. I used to. Well, when I ask you. We all used to. But if you love boxing, you're not watching for Max Kellerman, you're watching for boxing.
Starting point is 00:16:15 It does feel bigger when he does it, just like when Troy Aikman and Joe Buck are doing Monday Night Football, it feels like a bigger game. The broadcasters make it feel bigger, but you're not tuning in for the broad, I mean, you've been saying that for years. Anyone can be broadcasting, you're not tuning in for them.
Starting point is 00:16:31 People are tuning in for Canelo versus Crawford, and this is a fight that people have wanted to see for a long time, and you have Jim Gray as a part of the broadcast, Mark Kriegel, friend of the show, I think, on the broadcast. This is a first fight that feels legit in quite some time. One that people have been wanting to see and to have these voices from your past come back who were always on the big fights, give it more legitimacy. When boxing has kind of become
Starting point is 00:16:57 a celebrity circuit and it's been Saudi cards and it's been big and gaudy and what production can we put around this and make it feel bigger? It's been quite and gaudy and what can we make, what production can we put around this and make it feel bigger? It's been quite some time since people have been wanting to see just two guys, two pugilists going in a ring and fight it out. Those guys on the call certainly make it feel bigger. Greg, is there an announcer that you've actually
Starting point is 00:17:16 gone out of your way to watch? Not, like because he's calling the game, for me it's Vin Scully. I would go out of my way to watch games I didn't care about because he was calling the game for me. It's Vince Cully I would go out of my way to watch games. Yeah, I actually believe you too. MLB extra endings. Where the hell are you? What chickens here? It seems like half our chickens. I can't believe what's happening.
Starting point is 00:17:49 What happened to all the chickens? They can't be dissenting. There can't be any. There are no dissenting chickens. I think you'd be shocked at the amount of people in our audience that had MLB extra endings that went to bed with the LA Dodgers late game and Ben Scully just doing his thing. By the way, huge, huge, huge update for Dan on Peter Gammon's day turns out the city of Boston Peter Gammon's day That was the one that was declared in 2009
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Starting point is 00:20:11 You owe me everything! You have added ten years, Mike Greer! This man has! That man! That man! Who the hell are you? Stugats! I am! Who the hell are you? Bullshit! You're a rude young man! Stugats. I AM WHO YOU SHOULD BE BANKING ME!
Starting point is 00:20:27 You're a rude young man. You're a fool. You're a fool. I already called you a fool. You can't call me a fool. You're an idiot again. It's a fool on. You're an idiot twice.
Starting point is 00:20:35 You're an idiot for dismissing how much I've helped you. This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats. So that was big. Okay, so we've gone back to the wheelhouse. Please get me the sound from that day. He loves to relive that day. But I do want to for just a moment talk about, I was waiting for Tony because he's going to be in Vegas this weekend and it has been a really disappointing year for UFC. I've sort of checked out over the last many years on my fight game allegiances that Stugatz has made fun of, because I really have enjoyed over the years the science of pitting mixed martial arts against each other, and also the lunacy that is making your living fighting other human beings for money. And you have heard and seen my distaste for Dana White and all things UFC and chief among them is using and paying
Starting point is 00:21:47 that labor force 20% as he gets rich sloppy and powerful and Now I'm reading reports that he doesn't even do the press conferences very much anymore because he's moved on to other things And there has been a dilution of product Where ESPN plus is asking you to pay for espn plus and then you got to pay for pay-per-view and you still get commercials and they're doing too many fights so they get decent main events but they've got a problem right where they just sell us omali and build him up and he's a fraud because they just need and they're
Starting point is 00:22:16 getting mexican you know giving a mexican fighter rodriguez fights that he shouldn't have just because they've got to get product out there and i've always loved boxing more but this particular carnival is taken over. And now boxing has been taken over by the Paul brothers, where McGregor's tough. UFC hasn't been the same since McGregor left. I am stuck in an algorithm where I'm just
Starting point is 00:22:35 getting an assortment of McGregor Coke videos, just McGregor on Coke, where it just highlights, I'm stuck in an algorithm. I can't stop watching them. Is there any other kind? No, I mean, it's just him clearly coped up and and the sport of the record of this but here's what i wanted to talk about the sport has not been the same he had seven of the top fights pay-per-view of
Starting point is 00:22:55 all time and legitimate star goes into boxing makes it a circus you guys say that doesn't cheapen anything he made a hundred million mayweather made three hundred million and somewhere the pauls get rich and laugh but But the fight game, the arts, the people who love what the science of this is, it gets engulfed by the circus. But I didn't want to go, as long as I have, without mentioning the retirement of John Jones, one of the great athletes of my time and one of the great disappointments. I do not understand how a fighter of that magnitude, one of the best pound for pound people I've ever seen in the fight game 50 years, how he would have the demons that he would have that would prevent him from, you
Starting point is 00:23:36 know, being remembered like George St. Pierre or Anderson Silva or whoever it is that you consider the best of all time. He retired so quietly while looking like he was ducking a heavyweight fight at the end of his career, and it was not the punctuation that a champion of that magnitude deserves, but his excellence is just marred by the amount of medicating that he was doing that made him reckless and specific to the fight game as an individual brand
Starting point is 00:24:03 that has some demons, because how do you think these people climb to the top of fighting other human beings for a living? There are gonna be demons all around the disciplines. It could be posturing though, don't you believe? He's taken extended leaves of absence, and sometimes it's because of suspensions. He has publicly been posturing for a mega fight
Starting point is 00:24:21 inside of the UFC. It could be a part of that. To your earlier point, there is a bit of a dip in stars. They were running and they were building guys up, guys like Izzy Adesanya, but then they kind of fall off. We saw it recently, Sean O'Malley was thought to be a star. He kind of falls off. Right now, Chaporia, the guys aren't really,
Starting point is 00:24:38 Perea is probably the biggest star of that bunch in terms of title holders right now. They're trying to build guys up. Successfully, I think, with Patti the Batty, that's someone you should keep your eye on. No, they did it successfully, but it was bogus, and they do have a problem. I don't want to bury this.
Starting point is 00:24:51 It's not being bogus with Patti the Batty. I'm done doing that narrative. He's proved his bona fides, and he's proved to be legit, and now I think he's certainly worthy of it. But I get the skepticism. I was there too with the hype machine around him. But this happens to the UFC. They have a lot of stars leave or retire or fall off and they have to build back up and I think what's happening right now is one of those build back up phases.
Starting point is 00:25:12 Isn't it skeptical when any fighter or boxer who's aging says he's retiring? Yes, but he's 37. This is a fight for him to avoid. The last seven months would have been the time to sort of cash in on this, and when it comes to negotiating with Dana White, I expect the labor to perpetually be screwed. It's the business model. The Aspen Hall fight is one of those fights that could help breathe life into UFC.
Starting point is 00:25:41 I also don't blame him for avoiding it, and at 37, that's not a weight class that I wanna see him at. Like, he's the best light heavyweight I've ever seen. I don't need to see him challenged as a heavyweight. He chose the right path with two guys that he knew he could beat the last two fights. He also had a pretty bad ass send off,
Starting point is 00:25:57 if that's the last time that we saw him. And he's the GOAT. He's the greatest of all time, well within his rights. Steve Bay was retired when he beat him. He doesn't want to fight the type of the heavyweight. If I were him at 37, I wouldn't want to fight the top heavyweight either. That's fair. He's at an age where I think his legacy is pretty well cemented because it's already
Starting point is 00:26:16 way complicated anyways. I think everyone would concede, even if he loses to Aspinall, that that's the greatest fighter they've ever seen at the height of his game. He he's still a what if cautionary tale, which is wild. Ariel Hawani says, I'm tired of beating around the bush. I don't wanna hear the GOAT talk when it comes to John. I'm sorry, you cannot be the GOAT. If you have multiple PED infractions on the record, you cannot be the GOAT if you didn't wanna do
Starting point is 00:26:38 what others did for you. Time honored tradition, you fight the top contenders. Not only was Tom Aspinall the top contender, he was the interim champion for almost two years. Is that unfair? No, that's more than fair. No, it is fair, but it is also, to me, a little bit difficult to do legacy talk
Starting point is 00:26:55 on someone that I'm saying to you is a pure talent. What I'm watching, really loving the fighting game, is as skillful and artful a magician as I've ever seen do it marred by an assortment of drug infractions and recklessness and now at the end punctuation that feels like cowardice when this man was afraid of no one. This man had legit, you can say he's not the goat if you want, but this was a man everyone feared fighting. No one knew how to beat this human being.
Starting point is 00:27:29 The only way he could be beaten was his own demons with his recklessness away where the drugs would get a hold of him. Whose balls are juiced? We were talking about signature moves in athletics and who has a move that sticks in your mind. John Jones spinning back elbow. Just the most ferocious weapon in the history of combat sports. Regardless, Tony's gonna be in Vegas this weekend doing the UFC fight because he has made that
Starting point is 00:27:57 into a hustle around, he really loves what he is, what he's doing on Saturdays. Really popular, it does well too. And it's a fun watch you learn a lot It's not your traditional ooze and Oz of a watch along you're getting really good analysis as well Remember Dana White told us that UFC would be bigger than the NFL No, I said it would be the biggest sport in the world and internationally. It's a giant like it look I know everyone listening to this knows what my problems are politically and otherwise with the UFC Dana White is a bully it's been it's been a bummer to see him rise
Starting point is 00:28:28 to power on a carnival Barker crusade where he's got a monopoly and what gets chewed up is the athlete because it's no unions and you know you got you got you got champions like living in the car and stuff I don't I don't think I'm over swell I that's probably an over sell and I shouldn't say it that way if I don't have it on me, but there are just details on how it is even these champions have to work because the pay's not good enough.
Starting point is 00:28:54 This is a brutal way to make a living. We lose sight of it, right? When you get all the pay per view and what you're throwing into the machine, more fights than ever, is a diluted product and it's all meat. It's go fight each other and injure each other. You're fighting for money.
Starting point is 00:29:07 It's caged, barbaric spectacle. And I've always loved the bravery and people willing to do that in front of others when it's just them, no teammates, and you're fighting your fear in front of people. It's gladiator shit. Can I throw a theory at you? When does the UFC media rights deal up? Spires at the end of the year. This is a pretty good leverage point for John Jones
Starting point is 00:29:29 because how does Dana wanna impress a new broadcast partner with a brand new deal? I'm sure every negotiation that he's having with a potential broadcast partner is, can we get the Aspen all John Jones fight? If you're John Jones, now's a perfect time to pull this move and say, I'm done forever because it maximizes your own leverage as UFC is negotiating possibly invoking your own name in these broadcast. Do you know how crazy it has to
Starting point is 00:29:54 make the fighters in UFC to see McGregor make a hundred million dollars over there to see Nganu make more than he ever made in his uh... fighting career in u f c boxing spectacle go get the pay-per-view money it's been jarring to see the business jostled like that on uh... both fronts do you guys i know a lot of people think of me also is whenever i say anything anti-e s p and they're just assuming it comes from a source of bitterness but
Starting point is 00:30:23 when it comes to the e s p app and the complaints MMA fans have of you're making me sign up for a windows 98 app and then I'm just signing up for the right. I don't want ESPN plus. I'm just signing up for the right to then pay per view. What is a now diluted product that they blame ESPN for? Is that a fair criticism? I'm not on ESPN Plus so I don't know how advanced it is or it isn't. You get plenty of free cards that come with just your ESPN Plus membership and that also
Starting point is 00:30:55 gives you all the other sports that are on ESPN Plus, well within their rights to charge a premium for a premium live event like a big time UFC card. It has been rumored that there's not gonna be one standalone home that they're gonna try to divvy up the television rights. TKO kind of learning a little bit from their WWE side of the business. So it'll be interesting to see what kind of promises he's making. What is their flagship home? What kind of cards will go on other broadcasters? Will those other broadcasters feel like their second banana when it comes to these conversations? It's combat sports. You
Starting point is 00:31:28 can't really guarantee, the only thing that you can guarantee is bigger names and right now they've got a name problem. Can you guys please find for me and also it doesn't help when all the guys from Russia want to take it to the ground and ground and pound you and it's not an entertaining style. Style of fights haven't been great. But that's why Patty the Batty, you gotta kind of root for him. At first I was like, this is all phony. They're just feeding them cheap guys
Starting point is 00:31:51 to try to get them over and do this Conor McGregor redux. Now he shut me up promptly in the last two fights. I feel like we have lost Billy and Chris. Chris is yawning actively. The old timey baseball player has no interest. Don't leave me and Greg out. Yeah, no, Stugats wasn't interested in this either. I will say, if you're looking to us for information in sports,
Starting point is 00:32:09 since Stugats said the Mets were the best team in baseball, they've lost nine of 10. That's unfortunate. And yesterday on the show, we gave you one sure bet. We gave you Trevor Rogers of the Orioles is going to give up some runs, and he threw eight shutout innings allowed three hits Best start as an Orioles Shut out the potent Rangers like truly terrible advice from his show
Starting point is 00:32:31 Best start of his career he just shouted about I said of Trevor Rogers my only analysis of Trevor Rogers is yes yes yes when you throw from the left side You can be big like that throw hard and have a ERA of five for the rest of your life in the big leagues Eight innings of shutout ball from a dominant Trevor Rogers over the Rangers. Lowering his season ERA to 1.3 something. But last year, that ERA, woof. That is three starts.
Starting point is 00:32:56 I incidentally, if you're looking for your baseball information here or on a broadcast tomorrow night on YouTube with Tim Kirch and from six to 10 p.m. said last year the Orioles would be good for a decade. I also had the analysis of the Orioles are gonna be so good the Yankees will be closer to the bottom of the division than the top. The Orioles now have no pitching except for Trevor Rodgers. No team in sports is good for a decade like every year someone wins a championship and you're like you know what this team they're the favorites win next, next year they finish like eight seed.
Starting point is 00:33:26 I just thought Farm System and Arms, they had so many young people. Warriors kinda did it. So many young people. There's some teams that have done it. Warriors kinda pulled it off. Lakers, Celtics, 80s. I think locally you have a team
Starting point is 00:33:36 that's built for it, certainly. The Heat kinda did it. Patriots did it. Let's go to Greg Cody, Greg Cody Day. Orioles in last place. Was it Fort Myers, was it where? Minor league baseball? Yes. Here is Greg Cody after 50, no wait,
Starting point is 00:33:48 70 years living in South Florida, still having trouble with the Latin names. Stepping to the plate, number 13, Yeltsin and Karski and Carnation! I just misread it. That's a tough one. That happens, yeah. Just like Legler. It's tricky.
Starting point is 00:34:05 Probably a typo. I also have a sad news station promoting Greg Cody night. Greg Cody night. Okay. Saturday it's bark in the park night at the Fort Myers miracle game. The miracle take on the Lakeland flying tigers at six o'clock. Six o'clock. Ooh, an oatmeal.
Starting point is 00:34:23 It's the oatmeal. The dog friendly event includes doggy pools, adoptable dogs as well, even treat bags for your own puppies. It's also Buddy the Elf night, so if you dress as Buddy the Elf, you get a special ticket offer. There's a Santa hat giveaway, a car giveaway, and it's Greg Coat night. Ha! Cody.
Starting point is 00:34:43 Cody night. Okay. That is the greatest-y night. Okay. Ha ha ha ha! That is the greatest promotion I've ever heard. Buddy the elf! That is so much better than Tim Legler's Pretty Interesting. Bury the lead. That is how you sell an upcoming event.
Starting point is 00:34:57 I'm so sad that I missed everything that was going on. Saturday, it's bark in the park night at the Fort Myers Miracle Game. The Miracle take on the Lakeland Flying Tigers at six o'clock. Six o'clock. Ooh, an oatmeal. Let's see oatmeal.
Starting point is 00:35:11 The dog friendly event includes doggy pools, adoptable dogs as well, even treat bags for your own puppies. It's also Buddy the Elf night. So if you dress as Buddy the Elf, you get a special ticket offer. There's a Santa hat giveaway, a car giveaway,
Starting point is 00:35:24 and it's Greg Coat night. Who's Greg Coat? Greg Coat night. What an amateur. Okay. You should retire that guy. Greg, can you just lay out for a second so we can get the full comedy of the local broadcast
Starting point is 00:35:37 instead of just barreling in chest first? I mean, we'd already played it three times. You don't know who Buddy the elf is? From Elf, the movie with Will Ferrell No, it came out after the else. What's your favorite color? All right, you just criticized that guy's broadcasting. Yes as you should I Got a right of it. Yeah, this broadcast had four things to sell in front of Greg Kote night.
Starting point is 00:36:06 Which is ridiculous. What an insult. You are not the main event here. They can't even get your name right. If I were writing this as comedy, okay, if you gave me this as fiction, I'd have indigestion interrupted by oatmeal in the middle of my broadcast. Indigestion. And then I would also have the comedically great reaction of the broadcasters trying to do chumminess while not knowing the name of the headliner. An adopted dog.
Starting point is 00:36:34 After Buddy the Elfin, an assortment of adopted dogs. Saturday, it's bark in the park night at the Fort Myers Miracle Game. The Miracle take on the Lakeland Flying Tigers at six o'clock. Six o'clock. Ooh, an oatmeal. It's the oatmeal.
Starting point is 00:36:46 The dog friendly event includes doggy pools, adoptable dogs as well, even treat bags for your own puppies. It's also Buddy the Elf night. So if you dress as Buddy the Elf, you get a special ticket offer. There's a Santa hat giveaway, a car giveaway, and it's Greg Coat night.
Starting point is 00:37:03 Coat. Coat. Coat night. And Greg Coatknight. Amateur. Off in the distance. The best part of that that I forgot about. You did it again. In that clip, a throwaway line is also a car giveaway.
Starting point is 00:37:14 Somebody in our suite, one of our friends, the guy he brought, won the car. That's right. And we felt so uncomfortable because we were like, we the special like we he gave away the car the guy Rejected the car. It was a used car. I know it's still thousands of dollars Starts in the beginning what happened? There's a car What kind of car was I don't remember it being a used car. It might be I'm not saying you're wrong about that
Starting point is 00:37:44 I don't remember it being a used car. It might be, I'm not saying you're wrong about that. I don't remember that detail. It was just a car giveaway that in the seventh inning, anyone who had a ticket. How do you not remember that detail? It's an important detail. And they announced the name, and the people making the announcement were in our suite. I think my dad made the announcement.
Starting point is 00:37:58 My dad picked the winning thing. So when the winner comes from the suite, that the person, we all were just like. Suspicious, suspicious. So the guy was literally like, the guy was like, I'm good, I don't need the car. I don't need to use car. Because it was a $700 clunker.
Starting point is 00:38:11 No, it was not. It was like a nice truck. Now we're getting details. Now we're getting. Your friend just gave away a truck. Yes, a friend of a friend. $700 clunker is what you're, there's some details missing.
Starting point is 00:38:21 Who's Shams, who's Barry Jackson, whose information is right? Cause it doesn't sound like your information is right 100% right we rejected a car the only dispute here is whether the car was used. This is what I want I want you to play it again. I want everyone to lay out because Thank you for not laying out just immediately ignores what I'm saying doesn't hear anyone except his own voice in his head Can you play for me again? Greg Cody toward the end of this? I need you guys to listen to how the anchors get out of this.
Starting point is 00:38:48 Saturday, it's bark in the park night at the Fort Myers Miracle Game. The Miracle take on the Lakeland Flying Tigers at six o'clock. Six o'clock. Ooh, an oatmeal. It's the oatmeal. The dog friendly event includes doggy pools, adoptable dogs as well, even treat bags for your own puppies. It's also Buddy the Elf night. So if you dress as Buddy the Elf, you get a special ticket offer. There's a Santa hat giveaway, a car giveaway, and it's Greg Coat night. Cody.
Starting point is 00:39:15 Cody night. Okay. Is that okay? Nine things he advertised. Nine. Okay. Nine things he advertised, nine. One of my favorite things John Oliver does is just local newscasts. We're gonna miss them when they're gone.
Starting point is 00:39:32 Gonna miss them. You think they're going? I don't think so. I actually think there's more of a demand for hyper local stuff, given how everything is presented. It was a used car. See? Of course it was. A $700 clunker you called it.
Starting point is 00:39:50 The shell of a car. Where'd you get that from by the way? That doesn't have an engine. It was a used car courtesy of Dixie Buick GMC. There you go.

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