The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: The Origins of Slapdick

Episode Date: February 26, 2025

Amin listens to our show every day, and something from earlier in the week caught his attention: the word "slapdick." What are the word's origins, and how will Amin find a way to take credit for its proliferation worldwide? And why is this show perpetuating its beef with Gary Ferman? Then, Billy may have apologized to the continent of Australia for dismissing their citizens yesterday, but he picked a new beef with Mariah Carey today. Plus, the Jacksonville Jaguars' new GM looks 12 years old, Dan spins the wheel of topics, and, at the end of the day, we need to talk about Myles Garrett. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. This is the Dan Lebatard Show with the Stugats podcast. This episode of the Dan Lebatard Show with Stugats is presented by Smirnoff. We do game days. Please drink responsibly. The Smirnoff Company, New York, New York. I remember many years ago, Mina Kimes didn't know that she was being heard on Highly Questionable, and she was talking,

and she was saying of listeners of this show that she didn't understand how it is that our audience could listen to all three hours of this a day given how busy their lives are and the thing that has flattered me about both Amin and all his hustling and Dominic Fox worth somehow is that they still listen to all of it and yesterday evidently this doesn't happen very often around here But yesterday evidently Amin was listening and there was something aboutapdick that made him want to be a part of the conversation from afar.

Or was it, when was it that Mike Ryan called someone a Slapdick? Was it one day? He called Gary Furman a Slapdick. Yeah, that feud has escalated to uncomfortable places where- Glad we've continued to talk about University of Miami basketball, though. Con-Fur-man!

Anyway, Slapdick made an appearance on the show and I thought it was an excellent word, it's a funny word, but I hadn't heard it for a while and I don't know what a slap dick is. I don't know what it actually is. It's someone who's standing there and just slapping their dick? Pretty much. That's what it comes out. It's basically someone like the

Masturbatory you're not doing anything other than just touching yourself basically Okay, as opposed to doing your job and so slap dick was a word that we used in basketball all the damn time He's a slap dick. What are those slap dick something? Everyone's a slap dick Anyone who's not doing their job was a slap dick and I remember when I left basketball and I entered the media world, I used that term a couple of times and nobody knew what the hell I was talking about, right? I even tried to use it on air at ESPN. Obviously it couldn't say slap dick. So I created the euphemism or the clean version,

the radio edit of slappy. He's a slappy as opposed to a slap dick, right? But nobody got it. So I was like, maybe this is just something that we did. Billy, why are you looking at me in that way? Because you're confused that people didn't know that something you made up, no one knew what the reference was

when you just made it up. Well, no, I was confused. Nobody knew what slap dick was. And then I went slappy to kind of clean it up. Did you use it when you were mentoring Diana Taurasi? I didn't mentor Diana Taurasi. I merely helped her win. Right, basically, you wanna win a WNBA title? She would probably call you a slap dick in her journey.

I am absolutely certain, 1000% You should be so lucky to be called a slap dick by Diana Tarassi. I think she was saying who? No, DT knows who I am. No, she does, and she definitely has seen his jump shot. Like 100%, she's seen it. Look, you know what? Again, another journey that I'm glad I took

because it built me into the actor I am today. But Dan, slap dick. I reached a point where I thought maybe this isn't a word that the common public knows or uses so I was delighted to hear the show. You guys are talking about the word slap dick. I've heard it maybe five times in my life and never thought to myself,

I wonder why it hasn't been popularized. I've used ass wipe more than I have slap dick. That's gross. This must come from sports cause there's an article here from NBC sports.com pro football talk in 2009. And it was after hearing on parks and rec, which our friend Mike Scherr was writing,

the term slap dick and it said that it came from sports. It says as John Feinstein points out in Next Man Up, quote, anyone who is anything less than brilliant at his or her job is in the world according to former Ravens coach Brian Billich, a slap dick or a slappy for short. Damn, there you go. See, so slap dick is specifically,

it's towards people who are incompetent at their jobs. It's not like Nico. So I can say Nico's a slap dick. I'm not gonna call Nico a slap dick. Well, what do you mean? There's a certain level of apathy slash laziness that goes along with- Amin still has to respect him.

Why do you still have to respect him like that this is maximum slap dick situation all i i think it's just people are you dan or lopski you can't criticize peers do you want to get back in the lead no i can criticize every i criticize peers all the damn time if you ever watch oddball bundy through thursday on draft king's network and on youtube right but criticized chelsea peers right now yet though the place yeah you said you criticize peers all the time all pierce i've appeared navy to, right, but. Criticize Chelsea Piers right now. The place?

Yeah, you said you criticized Piers all the time. All Piers. Criticize a Pier, Navy Pier, go. Navy Pier, overpriced, what's going on over there? That's a great call. Yeah, so, but. Chelsea Piers built in 1910. Really?

It looks really good for 19. 115 years old, that's older than David once. Is it on the Don't Die documentary? Cause that place looks great for some place that's 110 years old. That really scary coach from Last Chance U, Jason Brown, tried to trademark slap dick. No, see, you can't trademark slap dick, man.

Slap dick is- Put it on the poll, Juju. Can you trademark slap dick? I'm trying to think of what a slap dick is, right? It's gotta be a guy who is not just bad at his job, but bad at his job because he's lazy, not even trying, right? That's what a slap dick is. Somebody who wouldn't call around the league to find out if there was value for Luca. You're not gonna do this. Nico's not a slap dick. I'm not gonna, look, it was, I'm not

saying I agree with the move, I'm just saying, not a slap dick. Okay, are you done? Do you have any more information for us on your deep dive on the slap dick? I am really fascinated by the etymology though, because you're like, what does it mean? I think you guys think that that's what it is, but it's not just somebody who's there slapping their dick. That's just, I think the reason that Parks and Rec did it

is because it's not actually even a curse. It's just a funny word. And the dick's almost implied. It's one word. I don't know what just a funny word and you're the dick's almost implied It's one word. I don't know what it is And I don't think it's somebody who's just standing there slapping their dicks exactly that dad Imagine this imagine if you hire like carpenters and and they're supposed to be like so a woman can't be a slap dick Yes, of course a woman could be a slap dick never said whose dick is slapping you guys ever slap a dick all the time.

Every morning. What is that? What is that? It's just unnecessary. Look, I didn't think we'd do any worse today. Look, I gotta stop everybody right now and I'm sorry it took me so long to get to this. Stop dick.

Billy, I think Australia's really mad at you man. Yeah they are. Oh my god. Why are they so mad at me? I apologize twice. What's the deal fellas? Super sincere. He did. I thank you Amin. I listened. That's coming from a thespian. Two times over. Mm-hmm. Listens to the whole show every day and he knows that Australia yesterday was mad at you because you called them a place filled with criminals. No, well, we don't need to go back.

We're moving forward. I want to do a backup Billy in this. They're not all criminals. Thank you. But most of them. Most of them are descended from criminals, the white ones at least. They're not all criminals Malia

The the indigenous people not criminals that was their land exactly right victims victims So thank you actually even the ones who weren't descended from criminals are kind of criminals because they stole the land From from the indigenous people if anything I was standing up for the indigenous people yesterday And that's not how they're choosing to see it for whatever reason and that's more on them than on me. Billy you let them off easy. You said it was like a hundred and ninety thousand whatever like less than two hundred thousand. You let them off easy.

It's a nation of millions that stole their land from someone else. But Jessica did point out it was mostly pickpockets. Well yeah it was like a lot of petty crimes. Well I mean. Is it petty when they steal a whole continent? Crimes are crimes. Thank you. I guess they didn't really have a choice on it though but then yeah I mean there's a lot of petty crimes. Well, I mean. Is it petty when they steal a whole continent? Crime's a crime. Thank you, I mean. I guess they didn't really have a choice in it though.

But then, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of history since then that probably could be corrected. Yeah. Jeremy, I will not have you try and sneak a Tom Petty in these windows. Nah, come on. Redirecting the spirit of Greg Cody. Someone says Petty and you just get in there with Tom Petty.

Centerfield. There's a really small window. Put me in coach. What else did you like about the show yesterday Amin? Do you have any other comments for us? Critiques? Thoughts? Just slap dick is all he had for us. I don't know that.

What do you think about Mike's Miami men's basketball head coaching report? Oh. Sorry, I mean, like, why not do a third day in a row of that? Now here's the fun part about it. I'm listening, I don't know not do a third day in a row now now. Here's the fun part about it I'm listening. I don't know nothing about nothing right That's that's how you just saw all right, so we're gonna go to Gary Furman again You know I like the original confirming I like the point this remix the original I think is the best

Ridiculous so Gary Furman's now feuding with our show. We're feuding with him. I know. He should be honored. Greg Cody's feuding with Gary Furman. Which sounder are we going with? The Roy one. Oh, God. Greg, Greg.

Greg's the one that made it bad. I don't think Mike made it bad. I think Greg kind of... Because... No, actually, you know what? Take it back. You're the one that made it bad. I think Greg kind of because no actually know I take it back You're the one that made it bad It's no I had to do that the kind of the chain in my head Yeah

Why was Greg talking back about because you were heaping praise on this dude and you're asking basically Michael Jordan Hey, man, what do you think of of Alan Houston? Oh, he's a good player right but like Michael Jordan's's like are you really you're putting this guy on my plateau Jessica did you just spit out your own me? I? Was just waiting for whatever name. He was gonna throw in there. It was good good one All right look I'm confirming. All right, look. Kept on a foursome legendary status on him.

Look, just like you, we'll speak with some sort of reverence about whatever was the best front office experience that you had for a four month period where you felt like it was a magical time in your realm. It's longer than four months. There was a time at the Miami Herald that was considered the best time at the Miami Herald for sports. And Greg time at the Miami Herald for sports and Greg Cody

Like anyone who has been listening to this for 20 years who reads the Herald from back Then would take what Greg Cody was doing to Gary Furman as being Insult by not putting him in in tears below him like it was insulting what he was doing to Gary Furman But so maybe true, but, well this is his defense. His defense as he left the studio was the whole thing of I'm just telling the truth. If he's saying this is, Gary would agree with me. I mean, it's hard to argue with that.

First time Chris has ever had Greg's back, by the way. God forbid! So Dan, this is the best comp I can make. And this one, Jessica, this will hit home for you. Have you ever seen video of Joe Montana being asked about the movie Rudy? Oh yes. That's basically what Dan did.

He went to Joe Montana and said, wow, how great was it to play with Rudy? And Joe Montana looked at Dan like, what are you talking about? Great analogy, he's good at analogies. Confirming. I guess that I was coming after the legend greg cody with not enough respect and everyone here is just sort of saying it's okay for greg coated to

be arrogant about hey i'm michael jordan and this is greg hodges i call them a slap dick you're asking me about here yet it's michael's way more disrespectful greg is not michael jordan i think that that greg is joe montana and and firm in his is rudy Greg is not Michael Jordan. I take that back. Greg is Joe Montana and Furman is Rudy. And what you didn't do, you know what? Because Greg humbles himself every day.

He allows himself to be the butt of the joke around here. We have a lot of fun at his expense. But you know what the biggest shock of my life was? When I listened to Greg Cody on Kornheiser and I said, who is this? This man is brilliant. He's eloquent. He's thoughtful. He thinks outside the box. This isn't the Greg Cody that I know from the Dan LeBretard show. Well this is one of Greg's greatest frustrations is that Kornheiser uses him that

way and that's how Greg gets produced by Kornheiser and we use him the way that we use it pretty much. produced by Kornheiser and we use them the way that we use it. Pretty much and so when you walk in here and you start singing the praises of the guy who is the walk-on who didn't actually play that much but we're gonna let Hollywood tell us lies and fiction. All I was saying is that if there were eight great sports writers on that staff, one of the best in the history of sports sections, and this was one of them. Does he not get respect? Hey man, Ian Clark was on the 2017 Warriors.

Okay, so you can't be the eighth man on a great team. You don't have to keep insulting this poor man for no reason three days in a row. Why is that an insult? Yeah, why did you bring it up again? Come on, Dan. See you again. Zaza Petrucci.

Why is that an insult, and why are you still spinning up oats? Confirm! That's such a good sound. Zaza Petulia. Because we were doing birthdays earlier with Sampson and we were looking up like famous birthdays I decided to like look around and see whose birthday is tomorrow. We live in a we live in a bad time I would say. Confirm it. I'm looking up famous birthdays for tomorrow. There's seven or there's six either YouTube or TikTok stars listed as the top six. Then Elizabeth Taylor.

And then right after her, J Woww. Those sites are all just YouTubers. Wait, this is a great show quiz idea for Dan and Amin Cheese and are they real people or not? She's a real person. I think you'll be surprised at how many youtubers and tik-tokers. I know we're youtubers, aren't we? Yes, we are technically and tik-tokers. I posted one yesterday Billy I do need to understand, you are generally not someone

who looks for fights with countries. I don't look for fights with anyone. I'm a peaceful man. I just try to go about my day one day at a time. But Australia, what is this unpleasantness that you have welcomed into your life? Nothing, you're mad at me and I have apologized multiple times.

I tried to apologize the third time today. I don't know what else I can do. Hey Billy, you know what I hear? I hear from them, hit dogs hollering. That's what I'm hearing from them. Okay. Confirming. Thank you.

Do you want to expound on that? Because it didn't really give Billy anywhere to go. He just sort of stared at you and then there was silence, which is generally not great in an audio. That's why I hit the sound. Yeah, thank you, Chris. I had my guy Duke from South Africa reach out to me and say, you're absolutely right about everything you said about Australia.

And I was like, it's my guy Duke. But he also has, you know, in the past, shown some very anti-Australian sentiments. Yeah, he's quite a questionable ally. Duke-y boy. Great, excellent work. Way to go, Chris. I mean, he dropped the Duke-y! Yeah, you work. Way to go, Chris. I mean, he dropped the dookie!

Yeah, you're at the height of executive producing. A couple of dukes cutting it up. Oh, Josh Groban also tomorrow, 43. Josh Groban. Who's Josh Groban? Why guys? Why, why, why, why, why? Can I ask you guys something?

And I know that there's gonna be, I know there's at least one person that's gonna fall into This category, but it's a conversation that I've been like wanting to have since the holiday time memes and nightmares is on Hulu there I answered it Michael buble not for me Like he's for some I get it not for me He's like Mariah Carey right like his whole thing is like Christmas and like let me sing songs like if I was like a crooner

in like the 50s about Christmas. You had me and you lost me so fast with that. What do you mean? I'm with Billy. He's like Mariah Carey? If you talk the way he sings. Well in that like Christmas is his time. Like Michael Buble's time is Christmas and like.

But like every time is Mariah Carey's time. No. Are you thinking just fantasy? Always be my baby? I mean you're gonna argue that Mariah Carey's time is not Christmas time. This is a crazy argument. No, her time is all the time.

Her time is Christmas time. All the time. And then at Christmas, she shifts gears to a Christmas side of her, and then she dominates that. And then when Christmas is over, back to dominating the regular stuff. She's 55, by the way. Wow.

I guarantee you that if you were to look up, you have easily a 10 month span where you don't listen to Mariah Carey at all. Very easily. Not true. When's the last time you listened to Mariah Carey? Today. Bullshit.

I was listening to Fantasy. Sorry, pardon my French. Fantasy remix, you old dirty bastard. French have like bad mouths, is that where that comes from? I think so. Where's the origin of that? I'll look it up. I'll look it up.

That's his, that's his. I'll look it up for you. I'm also serious. Pardon my French. Yeah, yeah, pardon my French. I'll look it up. I'll look it up. That's My French I'll look it up continue I do believe this might be a to America situation Yeah, well know an American a friend situation Michael buble when he's talking sounds like he's singing like don't do that. Just talk Billy I'm Michael buble. It's like just talk He does other than Christmas special Yeah, I don't know a lot of buble. Thank you. No, that's why I was with you until you brought my arguing wait, I'm not like I Okay, Australia Mariah Carey. I'm not meaning to disparage any of you

I don't mean powerful enemies if Mariah is listening to this, I'm not meaning to disparage her. I thought that it was a compliment to own Christmas. Like I think people think of Christmas, they think Mariah Carey before Santa Claus or Jesus, right? And before Buble. Yeah, I think a lot of people would. Way before Buble. Have a holly jolly Christmas.

Yeah, it's not a hymn song. He just sings cover songs. That's why I don't like the comparison, because Buble, tell me a Buble song. I don't know any of his songs. Okay. I listen Mariah miss Carrie. There you go. I apologize. I will remove you from this comparison I meant it more so that that's the time of the year that they shine But I will I will take a step back Mariah and I apologize to you and the camera

That was sincere that was way more sincere than your apology to Australia, by the way. Haven't met you yet. I, uh, well, that's not even how that's uncut. I didn't know who Josh Groban was until I saw Sweeney Todd. And then I found out he's like Christmas Carol guy. Close your eyes. Josh Groban just like, he's just one of those people that's like, oh, Josh Groban is here. He shows up everywhere.

He just shows up places, right? I didn't know who he was. Random episodes of TV shows. Love him now. People seem to like him. He seems super likable. Attend the funeral of Sweeney Todd. Howdy folks, it's Mike and look, it's been an exhausting couple of weeks.

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Dangerous game. This is a dangerous game. I don't wanna play this game. No, he was saying, man, I could do such a great Kendrick Burke. No, I don't wanna play this game. He's like, man great kind of oh, I don't want to play this game This is who we're gonna trust Let's let a mean do it. I think oh God I think you could do it Chris cuz you did a great Charles Barkley your one for one there

Did no one just hear the segment? We just did with the mean we cannot be judgment Is that the council from the local drunk on whether or not you? Should do the impersonation of a black man stumbling over his words. Like you don't see the bad jargon in that. There it was. Moe's a moody, moody Moses. Moe's a moody.

Don't, don't, don't. You need that, it sounds worse. Chris, be careful man. We gotta, like we cannot do this. It's too close to the line. This is where the line is. Something legitimately funny can't be funny because we're scared our ginger is gonna do something racist by accident Carry the hell on Dan

Rachel Dan the line is where we feel alive though This is the Dalibata our show with the stooge ads I think when you're cool, like you're just a cool person, you find your way onto a lot of different sets and into a lot of different projects. Kind of like I found my way into memes and nightmares, which you can catch on Hulu right now. You've mentioned that people say pardon my French before swearing because it's a humorous way of apologizing for using profanity by pretending that the curse words that you just use are actually french i think i

have since they're playing on the stereotype that french is a sophisticated language even though the phrase is used ironically in the words are actually english in the past knowing french was associated with upper class in education so using french words could be seen as showing off which is why people would apologize for the with uh the using them the irony is that today part my french is used ironically as most people understand that the swear words are not actually friend i'm with you just because that is jim and i i've learned i've learned to know how jim and i sounds and jim and i ladies and gentlemen

is terrible it doesn't know what the hell it's all that sounded right actually sounds right but it's also almost exclusively wrong. I saw a headline for an article about the Jaguars that I thought was AI, but I found out it's actually AP. And it was one of the more insulting headlines I've ever read. Quote, Jags expect inexperienced staff, including 34-year-old GM James Gladstone,

to quote, grow into it. I can't believe he's 34. Have you seen this guy? He looks so young. I just, I've never seen, look, it was once upon a time that McVeigh was the baby and McVeigh looked young and looked ridiculous. Have you guys ever seen a sports leader?

A Theo Epstein was like 28 when he ran the Red Sox. Sean McVeigh was young. He was 30, I think he was younger than this. Yeah, yeah, but also Steve Martin. We have a clip of the Jaguars new GM, James Gladstone talking at his introductory press conference that we're gonna play just so you can get a sense for his beautifulness. How adorable he is.

Holy shit. Yeah, I don't think we've seen the best of Trevor. I'm really excited for Liam to get a chance to work with him, support him, and really bring the tools that he has in his arsenal to life. And I think it starts by the protection, right? Making sure that he feels like he's got as much time to work with as possible and also that he's comfortable with the pass catchers. And so I think through that lens, he's going to feel that change in both the operation schematically and then the personnel that we invite into the building

Looks like Jeremy's younger brother. My younger brother looks older. I don't trust him because he dresses like Jeremy. He does dress like me I would dress like that. That's a good fan too though Billy No, this guy looks 1920 oldest I I want to ask you guys because Theo Epstein is the one I remember and I could make the argument that Theo Epstein is the most successful baseball executive there's ever been. If you win titles in Boston and Chicago with the Cubs and Red Sox when they haven't won in a hundred years. You do it in two different places because you're outsmarting everybody. That one

could not have possibly worked out better because he was a moneyball disciple. This franchise has done it with urban Meyer this franchise is a regional franchise it's barely hanging on to the fringes of feeling like they matter Major League the way that the teams in that sport matter when they're good at football Jacksonville has been lost for a long time has been embarrassing for a long time and as a quarterback that all of us are looking at and being like I don't know if that's worth $50 million. So why not turn to the young guy

who probably crunches numbers better than others instead of Urban Meyer when you've already done that and it lasted 10 games. There's no way this guy doesn't crunch numbers. That's what I wanted to land on, Chris, because I don't know, I just learned about this guy right now. He's got to be.

The analytics help the ass. Hold on. Oh my God. Are we are we stereotyping or do we know I'm profiling I'm I am straight-up profiling I know nothing about this dude other than man he's got metrics down you know you know why I believe you Dan why I believe you're right because a guy who's deep into metrics probably can't read who's cool and who isn't and that would make sense why he hired Liam Cohen to be the head coach. He probably walked in and said, this guy's cool. And the rest of us are like, this dude, man.

Well, but I would also say that I've gotten to know Tony Khan a little bit, the owner's son, and he is a numbers nerd, and he loves the information game, and they've given it up, they've given franchise control and leadership over to a bunch of football people, cavemen before, and now they're like, no, we're gonna do it another way. He also didn't hire Liam Cohen, so Liam Cohen basically went, got interviewed,

and then said, nevermind, cause I don't like your GM, then they fired the GM and then kidnapped Liam Cohen, brought him back, didn't let him go back to his job in Tampa Bay, he takes the job, then they hire this guy, and I think that there's a likelihood job, then they hire this guy. And I think that there's a likelihood Liam Cohen's gonna bully this guy. Do ball.

I also saw a video where Florio and Sims asked him if he would redo his do ball and he was like, not right now. Do ball. He's not ready for it. That means he's not confident. He's like, wait, is it do ball or is it do ball? He still doesn't know. Or he's not committed. Somehow's like, wait, is it Duval or is it Duval? He still doesn't know. Duval. Somehow this GM has been working for the Rams since 2016,

despite looking like that. He worked for the Rams for eight years before this. He's lived for eight years before this. That's nuts that he's been in football for eight years and he climbed his way to the top, grinded his way out for eight years. If he's a guy that looks slightly older, we're not paying attention to the Jaguars.

GM Higher right now, he just looks like baby. Facial hair. It does intrigue me. A mustache. I'm like, this guy's good, I like him. He was hired by friend of the show, Tony Baseli, and I wonder if it was just like, Tony's like, I don't know what the hell he's talking about.

He must be an analytic guy. So many words. Yeah, well, Baseli's now a VP over there. He's like in charge. He's got some real power over there. Yesterday, I don't know if you guys were surprised by this. Can you get me the wheel here? Because I saw that Tony brought in from Hialeah the wheel

this morning with football topics. Because I was surprised yesterday at the amount of football that made an appearance. So Jessica, you tell me what it is that it lands on here because the wheel is i see it from over here so the brown say they're not going to trade miles garrett the falcons say they were unaware that cut our cork cousins is a arm was hurt uh... erin glenn says the jets players were mad at him about cutting erin rogers

the colts are throwing open anthony richardson to a quarterback competition competition. The Patriots are toying with making Joe Milton available. Devontae Adams goes anywhere that Aaron Rodgers goes. The Eagles are interested in Miles Garrett to keep him away from the commanders. The Raiders might trade up to get Cam Ward. Gronk might be making a comeback in Colorado and Jamar Chase is going to become the highest paid non position quarterback player guns been the wheel what does that land on just a lot of smart chase definitely forget everything he said in just a bit of no way that i just stop listening to me is that i was writing them down but i lost you have a very

wide i was looking at all of us prices are so small at all this also i'd even just stop listening to me, is that what happened? Actually, I was writing them down, but I lost you at Gronk, Gronk, Gronk, Gronk, Gronk, Gronk, Gronk. I was looking at it, those spices are so small, the font is so small, how'd you even read them? I'm just saying. I do actually wanna talk about Gronk, can we talk, what is that? Well no, it landed on Jemar Chase. Yeah, we have to talk about him.

Can you spin it again, Chris? Um, oh, but it's not, no, this is, no. So is Chase off the board or we can get back to him? Oh, shit, it landed on the Browns, not wanting to trade my money. I really wanted to get to Gronk. The overarching point for me was, that was a lot of football news yesterday out of nowhere.

That was a lot of stuff that made an appearance where I thought that some of it might be fake because Gronk making a comeback. It didn't land on that, so we can't talk about it. Yeah. So, Miles Garrett, though. Well, Miles Garrett, I'm more interested in Miles Garrett. Him staying there and the Browns doing this one

is interesting, I mean, because wherever it is that player empowerment resides, right, it has not yet come to football, where someone like Miles Garrett, like where, football is a different sport, different culture, and wherever it is that we have thought that Basketball has let it get out of control with how powerful the players are where they can hold an organization hostage There are very few football players who actually have the power To leverage an organization that we all see from afar is less excellent than they're worth having i gave you the stat

recently that it this this browns franchise in terms of historic incompetence when you go one in thirty one for two seasons and what you end up having is none of the mvp quarterbacks that were number one picks in that draft you miss on all of those and your two best players are two players that asked for trade Because you're incompetent like you don't do anything right and now you're tied up miles Garrett doesn't want to break his back because we've got too much money tied up in Deshaun Watson and it's all ruined Like he doesn't want to sign up for no. I've got three more years of pass rush here

I'm not gonna play for a team that's gonna throw Jamis Winston out there nine games a season and have him look better Than Deshaun Watson where all our money is tied up Miles Garrett has legitimate power here. It's not but he's got it, but football won't let you have legitimate power here So what is it? I think he's one of the people who does have the power though. I think well I think they're gonna say we're not gonna trade him and all that stuff But at the end of the day he's at the end of the day there. That's again Wow You've got a crotch now. you need to pay attention to it. I'll tell you why you need to pay attention to it.

It's what Stugats did at the beginning of his career, and it was just always at the end of the day. At the end of the day, yeah, it's just a verbal crutch. It's useless. It is useless. But they're gonna say what they're gonna say, which is, we're not gonna treat them. You have to project that strength,

especially in that sport, right? But ultimately, which is a different version of of that the end of the day, right? That's right. That's great all crutches to get you to the next point Ultimately miles Garrett is not only high enough value, but also Impactful enough for their team that he can ruin ruin their their season you have it It's not in the Cleveland Browns. You don't have that that organization had their season you have a quite a lot in the cleveland browns you don't have that that organization had expectations and they had a brief period where was manzella and it was going to be a del beckham and it's the first time any of

us have believed in the brown they are now star list they do not have a star this was a playoff team recently miles garrett is their only star he's their only uh... important player i can point to in joku if you want to at least in part because he's always wandering the earth shirtless and you would too if you look like him walks to airport shirtless does all interview shirtless but the browns don't have a star now they've got one player we know they've got one player that america respects one it and and it's only because

chubb is hurt who also has two years left on his deal right so that there's that element to it as well, which is, look, not only can I kind of mix things up here, but every moment you wait to trade me, my trade value decreases. You need to move now. In many ways, this is kind of like the Jimmy Butler thing

from last summer. It's like, if you're gonna do him, if you're gonna deal him, do it now. The difference between the Browns and the Heat is just, it seems like the Browns would be okay being bad for another season or two, right? They're in tank mode and so holding onto this player, even if he can sabotage you with his on-field play,

which isn't what we would expect from Miles Garrett, it might be okay with them just to hold on to a guy that the fans love. I've gotta explain though on this one where I'd love this power to come to football very few people actually end up having it He can leverage the Browns here because he doesn't want to waste three seasons playing for something that is sure to be 6 and 11 They've got a quarterback problem that can't be fixed that that's not that you cannot Are people not aware like we throw around even though it's a salary cap sport like we all understand that's one of the most ruinous contracts

ever given for guaranteed money correct it is pinched miles garrett so that the prime of what's left of this part of his career will be played for sure in obscurity with every season feeling like this one, which is how he gets to the point of I don't want to play here anymore. Now, no amount of money will keep me here. If I'm the Browns, do I say, Hey, this cam ward change any of that feeling, right? If they draft cam ward, now you've got another star, you got the best

quarterback in college football. And that could be even more reason, A, for him to either participate and stay and say, I'll do my job on the defense, you build this around the rookie, or really, it should incentivize the Browns to trade him, because why wouldn't you try to get as many pieces that you can build around Cam Ward

as this new wave of the organization moves forward? I think the issue, though, is the dead money hit if they trade him. It's gonna be the dead money hit if they trade him. It's gonna be like $36 million if they trade him before June next year. That's part of it, yeah. They're in cap hell because of making the worst deal ever. I want to watch what happens with the players

in this sport who have legitimate power because you see what's happening with Matthew Stafford and the Rams. That strikes me as a unique business relationship where the Rams appreciate their quarterback what he's done for them and they're like hey you want to go shop around go have your agency if someone wants to give you 50 million dollars a year that's not normal that's not a normal thing to have that's like McVeigh super grateful for a you know look past much to a

championship you gave us all golden you gave us all a golden time here. Our trade of golf worked out, and now they're working together to get some, a quarterback that could also make a mess in a sport that doesn't allow these messes. Like you understand how infrequently you ever see any of this in football? It's not a normal thing to come to your franchise

and exhibit any power as the laborer. But then, I often think about that, is that because they can't, or is it just because they never, the old, I didn't know you could do that, right? If we look at football and say, the reason it's done this way is because they basically convinced their labor pool

that this is all you can do. You can't do any of that mess over here. And then as they look over at basketball and player after player getting exactly what they wanted, do we not see a rise of this happening on the NFL level? I think this is what Aaron Rodgers is doing to test the fringes of this. You realize how valuable a quarterback is?

I'm gonna pick my next spot, and Devonte Adams is coming with me if I wanna play, even though my QBR is 25th in the league like it's a real power they have but Belichick and Kraft ran off Brady and then he won and Brady won all the games after that like Brady wins all of the money after that, but no they don't want players to have power Why would they know they don't want players have power? But sometimes you have the power by just telling people, you don't have any power, shut up. And then one day you realize, wait a second, I have all the power, what are you talking about?

No, but it's part of the entire culture of you don't make a mess for your team, you don't hold out, but it's the whole culture of the thing. When you say culture, when you say culture, you're saying there isn't a rule or a financial restriction, although there are in some players based on how their contracts are structured. But when you talk about quarterbacks and guys at the top who have a lot of guaranteed money,

then yeah, they really don't, they can tell you the culture and that's not how we do things here. But at the end of the day, it's like, it's the honor system basically. You're asking me just to go along and get along. You did at the end of the day again, play this Dugat sound for me the first time I chastised them about this about 17 years ago. Listen, at the end of the day, I think at the end of the day, right play the Stugat sound for me. The first time I chastised them about this about 17 years ago. Listen, at the end of the day, I think at the end of the day, right,

that's what it boils down to. Listen, at the end of the day, again, I spoke about this in the four o'clock hour. At the end of the day, he's gonna help that team win football games. At the end of the day though, it's the players, Ricky, at the end of the day, can help him win football games.

He sounds so young. Or he sounds like he had a golf ball in his throat. That was young The end of the day thing is this do I do this every day and today is it all the time really you guys concur on I do it too. I haven't really noticed but at the end of the day It's about what you've done for me lately solid Jeremy nice also the quarterbacks right now that are in positions to sign bigger deals are in a good spot because there's not a lot of potential day one starters in this NFL draft.

Not really the same as having power via your CBA or whatever but it is interesting to see how like, you know, in a normal year, the way Darnold ended the season, probably not great for him in this year, probably isn't gonna matter too much. He's probably still gonna make a lot of money. And to your point, Dan, Diana Racini's latest,

like 10 minutes ago, was that Stafford's exploration of his market over the last few weeks has attracted significant interest from teams, notably the Raiders and the Giants, who were two teams near the top of that draft. Teams are anticipating the Rams will now be driving up the asking price if they decide to move him. So in this case, both for Stafford and the organization

working together on this, theoretically is not only gonna get him where he wants to be, but also bring back the best draft capital for the exchange. When you were in the front office, I mean, did you ever have players that you guys allowed to explore trade options? And like, how does that work?

Do they come back and like, hey, so like I was talking to the Raptors and they said. Trade options, no. But we did consult players. We wanted to trade Shaq and Steve Kerr got a deal done with Portland basically. And he went to Shaq, he said, I have a deal on the table right now

to send you to Portland. And Shaq said, please don't send me to Portland. Yeah but like Stafford's not cold calling teams. Like hey it's Matthew Stafford, quarterback for LA. I'd like to maybe play for your team. What's your snack machine like? I mean, that's what agents are for. That's what I'd be asking.

Who was it? Shea Giles' Alexander fired his agent, and everyone was like, what a great move. And I'm like, no, you need an agent because an agent is the one that gets you out of trouble. You have honey buns? Chris's agent's like, Chris, no, we need to talk about the terms of the deal.

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