The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: The Worst Part Of The Life (feat. Christopher Bell)

Episode Date: March 19, 2025

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even though he didn't know who San Diego State was, North Carolina vindicated after West Virginia's governor came after them. They were maligned. They're not that bad. They're better than West Virginia. And everybody was acting like West Virginia was wronged Oh my god, that wasn't the game last night. That wasn't the game to be talking about last night

Okay, it wasn't because the Alabama State game the st. Francis Alabama State game was more exciting however I do want to just linger on this for a second because it's the fastest that any one of our takes has ever aged Well, like we yesterday were like, oh my god governor of West Virginia get over yourself a second because it's the fastest that any one of our takes has ever aged well. Like yesterday we're like, oh my god, governor of West Virginia, get over yourself. Like, we're splitting hairs, blah blah blah, this is why North Carolina should be in, this is why they are in, blah blah blah. Like five hours later, North Carolina just blows out San Diego State.

All of the takes that we had yesterday aged very well. And I would like to pat ourselves on the back for it. That never happens. If North Carolina lost, Jim, it might be a little tricky today. It might be a little tricky. We might be walking some things back. But they left no doubt. They won.

We can all move on now. Worthy. Chris, do you have a stat of the day related to this? Stat of the day, stat of the day. It is the stat of the day. Stat of the day, stat of the day, and this is the start of the day. Start of the day, start of the day, and this is the start of the day. So you did.

You had one immediately ready. I was surprised by that. Start of the day, start of the day, and this is the start of the day. Stunning how good you've gotten at this job that quickly. Give him time. Give him time. Give him time. Give him time. Give him time. Give him time. Give him time. Give him time.

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Give him time. Give him time. Give him time. Give him time. Give him time. Give him time. Give him time. Give him time. Give him time. Give him time. Give him time. Give him time. By the way, San Diego State, the team that led the nation in field goal percentage defense, North Carolina became the first team in NCAA history to score 95 or more points, to shoot

50% or better from the field, to shoot 50% or better from three, to shoot 85% or better from the line, all in one game. North Carolina did this last night. Also West Virginia was complaining so much about this. They didn't even realize their head coach was leaving for another school. Darian DeVries got hired by Indiana yesterday. So really rough. Exactly why I said if you're a player on this team, you're like, all right, pump the brakes. Hang on a second.

Because now there's there's more important things going on and everyone's been distracted by this stupid tournament. I think the governor of West Virginia needs to sign an executive order to prevent that coach from leaving his university It's an outrage. It's a crime. Was it this guy that gave you that? Yeah, that was him Thank you back to the Alabama State game. So Dan, I don't know if you caught this but the game ended on a hell-mary pass It was so cool Alabama State the player player I think his name is Micah Simpson He was a middle school quarterback

Launches the ball across the court gets deflected off of a couple Alabama State players one of them gets it puts in the layup They win the game. It was absolutely electric It was such a fun like final four minutes of that game and again March Madness delivers Are you guys ready for what we're about to gorge on this weekend and in coming weekends? Because this has even gotten Tony's attention. Like Tony can sit outside, Tony can be a little too cool for school

in some of our conversations. Like he's not interested in some of the hockey stuff, pretends, but is faking it poorly. But college basketball, March Madness has grabbed him by the throat and it starts basically the thing about this is so great is just hey look sports everywhere morning afternoon and night and there'll be a lot of bad games in there and god almighty everyone's going to shoot 36 percent you've been spoiled by the pros trust me when i tell you this is some of this is going

to be very hard to watch the funny thing is about March Madness the individual games of college basketball Most of the time kind of suck give me the last five minutes But when you put them all together 64 of them happening within a two-day window all of a sudden it becomes magical Alabama State who nobody could even tell me what their mascot is all the sun hornets Okay outside of somebody who watched the game tell me what their mascot is all the sudden hornets okay outside of some of you watch the game they throw a pass gets bobbled eight times all of a sudden the layup goes up everybody's an Alabama State fan nothing is better nothing produces more amazing moments with such bad basketball than March Madness it's

incredible I love it is it just really is just your, you're opening up. White guys. Why are you really in watch the Elephant of the Stake game? No, no, no, but historically. You're going to say opposite white guys? You know white guys bring the magic. Thank you. Back door cut, Princeton. That's the secret sauce to March Madness.

It's the white guys with the ill-fitting uniforms against the teams with the good uniforms. Elbow jumper. Brick. Not as many white guys. Finally, someone had the jumper. Brick. Not as many white guys. Finally, someone had the balls to say it. It's the white guys. The best zone defense you've ever seen.

Two, three. So well-coached. Back door cuts. Put it on the poll. Shooter! They're all shooters, but they never make it. Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Is the secret sauce to March madness, white guys.

It's a loose ball, get it? Admit it, admit it. Deep down in your heart you know all the great moments. All of them. All of them. All of them. All of them. All the memorable upsets.

That's not true. All the great shots. Somewhere there. No. Somewhere framing the moment. Not true. Is a white guy. Now there can be an accent. moment is a white guy.

There can be an accent, this is not an absolute. You're fixated on Mello? I'm at McNamara. I will say one of my favorite things about March Madness is there's always a main character every year. There's always the one guy who gets like last year, I can't remember his name. The dude from Menti Sate? No, not him.

He was great. Well that guy was a, he was a main character. He was a main character for sure. And that was a great run. But no, I think he played for like Grand Canyon. I honestly can't even remember. But he ended up getting like a wing stop deal. And he was just, he was the main character

for like two weeks and it was wonderful. Jack Goukki. As soon as this turned, He was in front of the guy. That guy! The guy didn't miss! As soon as it turned in, you're like I can't remember his name. Two weeks he's he didn't miss for two weeks. It was incredible. Yeah I'm not as into March Madness anymore. It's become apparent to me like once I had a team

that was actually good making runs on both ends on the men's and women's and I could say this to the pros too. I generally don't, I'm not a basketball fan I found out. I'm just like a Heat Hurricanes fan and without rooting interest there and I haven't even filled out a bracket. No, like we have NASCAR in town, we have the Miami Open in town. There's plenty of niche sports that I follow more closely that are going on like in 20 minutes there's going to be tennis from Hard Rock Stadium that I'm gonna be dialed into. So I think my interests have just changed.

But I'm in on the white guys. Okay, but for the casuals. Thanks for letting us know that you don't watch Marsh Madness. Love the white guys. It's a really hard sport to follow and I follow a lot of sports and I think in following all these other sports

and with my teams not being good, it's just hard to follow college basketball. Not that you ever need to. We got it, we got it. You are now all about racing, you're about tennis, you're out on basketball. No, I'm in on race as well. But on basketball, you seem professional and college,

you're out, got it, you're in the minority here because this is just a smorgasbord of avalanche of action. Is what it is, it's throwing into a washing machine and turning it on the maximum speed just hears sports. And there are gonna be a lot of bad games but they're playing odds on this. They're gonna dry in in the last few minutes and I don't remember that Gresky guy's name either,

but he was kind of bald. All he did was make jumpers and then signed an NIL deal. No, you know who I'm talking about. Male pattern baldness? He just said his name and Dan, Dan and I still don't remember. He had more of a Billy Donovan V. Yeah.

It wasn't balding. Like a Norman Osborn. He had something, what he had, what he had, whether it's Sam Rockwell or someone else, what he had is hair that made me think he couldn't do that during March Madness. I wanna be very clear. Oh, he played for Oakland, yeah, that was him.

He's got the Billy Donovan, right? Yeah, I wanna be very clear. This is comic book Norman Osborn, not Willem Dafoe Norman Osborn, for the record. There are some sports things that I wanted to get to today, and one of them is Minnesota's out on Aaron Rodgers. So that's the report, right?

It's a credible report? We have credible reporters with different sides to this. So earlier this morning there was a Tom Palacero report that said the Vikings are moving forward with J.J. McCarthy. And for the moment, that's bad news for Aaron Rogers. Seemingly this delay is because he quite fancies the Vikings and that's his top destination. However, in the moments that followed, Diana Rusini recently reported that it's not over yet for Aaron Rogers in Minnesota. However, the Vikings are prepared to go into this spring and evaluate

J.J. McCarthy, his health, how far he's come along before making a decision on Aaron Rodgers. They're essentially tabling the Aaron Rodgers discussion. So now the ball is back in Aaron Rodgers court. Do you retire? Do you go to your plan B? Do you go to your plan C? Because as of right now, there doesn't seem to be a path in the immediate future for Aaron Rodgers in Minnesota. They wanna see him in spring mini camps and then evaluate. Great poker chip to play in business negotiations if you're the Vikings.

Hey, wait it out, maybe Justin Jefferson will be there for you. Psych, we don't want you, you're retired now. The Giants don't want you either. What a move that would be at the end for the Vikings to do that to Aaron Rodgers and end his career. Because it is, if the Giants is my only choice,

I'm retiring. If the Steelers are a legitimate choice, I'm gonna try. But the Vikings is where I wanna be. It's humbling though, because the place that you wanna be the most is telling you, like, we're not quite there yet. Like, there has to be a certain scenario in which we'd be interested,

but right now, in a vacuum, we're not. not so you can go you're free to go ahead and make another decision like that the Vikings internally decided like we're gonna run the risk of Aaron Rodgers doing whatever it is that he wants we're gonna move forward and see if this kid is healthy enough we are so close to the complete Brett far villain arc for Aaron Rodgers. We need a couple more things. We need him to play for the Vikings. We need him to get to the playoffs, D-Pick, D-Pick. Obviously that's a big missing one.

We're still missing that one. And also scamming Welfare State. Dude, no, there's another one that we're missing. He needs to retire and then unretire. Ah, but maybe this is it. Maybe this is it. This is part of that story arc and then Vikings. Yeah, he needs to ruin a woman's career.

Also, I was wondering like, hey, what's up with Jack Gulkie? I, you know, forgot needs to ruin a woman's career. Also, I was wondering, like, hey, what's up with Jack Goukki? I forgot his name and also that he existed. Maybe I can find out and see what it's up to. There's a story catching up with Oakland's Jack Goukki. Apparently, he plays for the Wisconsin Herd of the G League, getting a few minutes off the bench, averaging three points a game.

Not a boy. Our guys. Still getting that three off. March. There'll be another one. There will, multiple of them. They're gonna. Still getting that three off. Still getting that three off. March. There'll be another one. There will. There'll be a few.

There'll be multiple of them. They're gonna spring out all over the place. Also in football, Adam Schefter is reporting that it's done now. Kam Ward is the number one pick. So, yeah, his most recent podcast said all the momentum is going to Kam Ward. Kam Ward is essentially going to be the number one pick.

It's just a matter of where he goes to. But Cam Ward's gonna have his pro day here, but the consensus is among NFL front offices is Cam Ward is going to be the number one pick in the NFL draft. Congratulations for quarterback killer Mario Crisible, I guess. That's really cool to have a number one overall pick be a Miami Hurricane that's been a long time. But yeah, Cam's gotta be number one, but the team has not yet been decided. And the Titans, who have leverage here, no doubt, if they wanted Cam Ward, this would be done and dusted.

If you look at the betting odds, Cam Ward going number one is a heavy, heavy favorite. But Cam Ward to the Titans, not so much. So now there's an interesting game because Cleveland's in the number two spot. That's a dangerous game of chicken and they badly need a quarterback and Tennessee's not totally thrilled

with the quarterback class. And the Giants also are rumored to be toying with the idea of moving up to number one and drafting Cam Ward, which obviously would affect the whole Aaron Rodgers thing. That's why I said yesterday Aaron Rodgers is holding people hostage. He needs to make a decision because you'd rather have Cam Ward than Aaron Rodgers, right? Just like you'd rather have JJ McCarthy, your number one draft pick, than a 40-some-year-old

Aaron Rodgers. Is there anything more tepid that he could have said in terms of flimsy sourcing than the phrase rumored to be toying with? Like in terms of rumored to be toying with I don't know. Rumored to be toying with the idea. That's right, rumored to be toying with the idea. It's just you could say that about almost anything. Well but but it's a fact. I mean, there have been reports that the Giants want to trade up to number one. Do I know that for a fact?

No. So I'm quoting reports. How are you so bad at your own bit? So please stop being mean to your father. Cam Ward is going number one according to Adam Schefter, no matter who wants a number one in a week draft and a week quarterback draft, when the thing that everyone in the sport wants now, right? The most valuable thing that you could possibly get

in the draft is Jaden Daniels, value immediately at quarterback. Value and production immediately at quarterback allows you, correct me if I have this wrong, in the architecture of the game, it allows you to speed past everyone else if you can immediately somehow hit on the unicorn, but less of a unicorn than it used to be,

of guy averages 10 yards of play in college, the way that Daniels did, and he immediately translates to the pros. That's what you're trying to get as the standard when you go all in on Cam Ward, correct? What you're trying to do is, oh wow, look, one move. The commanders pass the cowboys after 20 years of not being able to pass them. Pass them like that. Yeah, and you're also counting on Cam Ward to elevate others.

You understand you don't have a Justin Jefferson in Tennessee or With the Giants, but you expect cam war to be so good that he's gonna make receivers a different level I mean drag respectfully Malik neighbors is an incredible wide receiver and him and him and cam ward are paired together like NFC East has a really good one to down the board. You can't forget. You can't forget neighbors. They're like neighbors one, two down the board. You can't forget neighbors there. Like neighbors... Neighbors is incredible. No, he's good.

No, not good. I think we can now make the argument after one dreadful season with the Giants, could we not, that neighbors enters the class of that's as good as there is in the entire sport? You don't think that's right. I wouldn't put him as good as Justin Jefferson. I'm talking about that's the only class he has not yet reached based on the production level with no quarterback play and not a lot of help after say Kwan in New York like I think no one disputes what I'm saying here that Neighbors has entered the class of top three receivers in the league

You know Jamar chase is in there to right if I if I give you the stats 109 know, Jamar Chase is in there too. Greg, if I give you the stats, 109, 109 receptions, 1,200 yards and seven touchdowns as a rookie, where do you put that as far as best rookie years ever? With no offensive line. Or quarterback. And with no quarterback. No, he's great.

And I was remiss in not mentioning him. And I'm glad you did. We really pounded you there. We really just leapt on you. But Chris, stop being mean to Greg. We were unfair to you. Well, but he was factually inaccurate. No, I was.

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Celebrate responsibly Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. Don Lebatard. I want to address Tony and all men who would wear that shirt in public. Stugats. Don't do it. This is the Don Lebatard Show with the Stugats. The thing that I wanted to get to with you guys that we have not gotten to because I don't, I know Lucy was obsessed with this as it related to Ben Affleck perhaps at 50 years old going back to previous loves again,

but we are now dropping multiple power couples and I did not know that there were two new power couples that have entered the room on discussion for pop culture purposes. One in athletics, one in Hollywood, one super young, one longer in the tooth. Which one do you want to hear first? I want longer in the tooth first. Meryl Streep and Morton Short. That's yesterday's news. I know but I wasn't watching only murders or not? Yeah, I mean, they were really hot and heavy in season four. Blossoming there.

Season three? Everyone's rooting for that. Everyone's rooting for that to last. Also, you look at the general timelines, and if it doesn't last, where do they go from here? Whoa. I mean, you know where they go from here. Whoa.

I don't mean to be glib, but in athletics, there's another hot new couple. And this might be one of the best looking, most athletically fit couples ever. Ben Shelton from the ATP, and Trinity Rodman. Oh wow. Superstar soccer player. I like it.

I mean, they must have kids just for this country. They must. Patriotic. They must, it's their patriotic right to have children. Olympic babies. Olympic babies, world-class athlete babies, they come out with abs, no doubt.

They come out with eight abs. Speaking of hot, how is this for a transition as a broadcasting professional? How about this guy right here, Christopher Bell? A great nickname, indisputably great nickname right the Iceman I he might be tired of telling the story of why and how he is the Iceman But I'd like to talk to him because he's with Joe Gibbs racing. He came into Las Vegas this pack past weekend I don't know if this is a record hot streak or just a hot streak

But he's won three consecutive NASCAR Cup Series victories this season and he's currently second in the cup series standings He's looking to win the second time here homestead Miami Speedway this Sunday. It's a festival Greg you go almost every year We've been there. This is the best thing homestead does is it not yeah, obviously I preferred it when it was the season-ending race, you know the the Super Bowl of nascar Parokia Lee, but yeah, it's a major race. They only have what 30 of them or something in. Oh, but I'm not talking about major race. In Homestead, this and Hurricane Andrew are the things that Homestead is associated with. Well one of those is better than the other and you'll be happy to know that the reason why this is landing in

March is because they're going to renovate Homestead and the expectation is that the championship will once again be here. That's why they're putting in a march so they can be ready for the championship. It's a giant event. Mike, please go get your gear head. And thank you Iceman for joining us. Does anyone in the family refer to you as Iceman? Please take me through the history of Iceman because you are reputed to be more aggressive than the other drivers. Well, I'll be honest, that's the first time I've heard of that. So I don't know where that came from.

So it is not, so I'm giving you a nickname that doesn't actually exist, that I'm just producing for you that is not actually your nickname. Maybe you have just started something. We'll see if it takes off. Okay, well I hope so, because you deserve the nickname. I wanna give it to you right now.

Just keep referring to him as Iceman no matter what. Why did you make up a nickname? I might as well, it's right here. It says it right here. Oh, okay. It's the first thing on my sheet, the Iceman. Do people call you Ben Solak by chance? I could also see that nickname.

I have literally never heard that before in my life. It's wonderful. He's good on football. Thank you for being on with us, Iceman. You are, however, more aggressive than the other drivers. Explain to me how and why. Oh, man.

How and why? I wanna win. That's why. I don't know how. I guess I just do it. I don't know. It's been a hell of a ride though. It's been a lot of fun to be able to start the season

off so strong, to win three out of the first, however many races it's been, it's been great. And I'm excited about getting to Miami. Miami is a great racetrack. You guys broke news to me again by saying Homestead's getting renovated. I think that's awesome. And I'm excited about the future of that place.

Christopher, can we put you down for a second to see if we can get this audio fixed? He's from his race car right now. That's actually where he's coming from. Inside a helmet. I must admit, I saw a research packet on you and I saw the Iceman, Christopher the Iceman bell. And I'm like, man, I'm a NASCAR fan.

I'd never heard that before. I guess I'm not that much of a fan. But apparently the Iceman, this is the first time he's heard it too. So do you not like NASCAR as much either? Are you surprised to find this out? You guys got me? Can you hear me now? We can hear you, but it just sounds a bit distorted.

Echoey. Yeah, I don't know what else to do here. So, but yeah, I don't know. I've never heard of Iceman, but I'll take it. I'll claim it. Can you try taking your helmet off? Sure. Where's my helmet at? Chris, thank you so much for having fun with this. There was something that, again, I watch every race. I love NASCAR now. And there was something that I hadn't seen ever before,

but that's not saying much because I've only been recently passionately following this sport for about a year and a half. But it seemed like you and your crew exposed a loophole in the rules in Las Vegas. I'd never seen this before. You're on pit road, it's decided that you have a left loose front tire and then you run the risk if you go out onto the track, you're penalized two laps, two of your crew members get suspended, your team makes the call very quickly to have you pit in your teammates box. I didn't even know that you could do that. Did you even know that this was a legal loophole? So it was, I think it was last year, maybe two years ago. I remember Adam, my crew chief, he told me that,

hey, if you ever have an issue, stop in your teammate's box and they'll hit all the lug nuts to make sure that the lug nuts are tight. And so that was the first time in a couple of years that it has come up. And I think it's relatively new since the introduction of Next Gen because the old cars, you had five lug nuts and the odds of a wheel coming off were really, really low if you have five lug nuts.

But with now only having one, obviously if you have a problem on the one lug nut, the wheel is going to come off. And yeah, it certainly saved us from damaging our car. Like if a wheel comes off and you start making and you have to drive back to pit road, it certainly saved us from damaging our car. Like if a wheel comes off and you start making, and you have to drive back to pit road, it just destroys the underbody of the car and really hurts the car performance. So it really saved us this weekend at Las Vegas.

When we talked to the college basketball coach, Rick Barnes, he wanted to talk about racing instead of basketball. If I give you the choice, going into a conversation like this, would you prefer to talk about your profession or would you prefer to talk about the Oklahoma City Thunder? I'm a Thunder fan. I followed them through the off season pretty good,

but since I started racing, I haven't been able to really keep up with them. But I know they're doing really well. They're leading their conference and fingers uh, you know, fingers crossed. I will, I would love to get to go to an NBA finals game in order to be as great as you are at this. Do you have to be lopsided? How much time do you even have for things other than the obsessive

compulsive work you have to do? Yeah. I mean, it's just such a long season. And certainly with us racing at a different track every single weekend, it doesn't leave much time to follow other things. But you know you kind of get into a routine and a rhythm whenever you get into the summer where it opens it up a little bit. But certainly whenever you're just getting the season started, I at least myself, I'm focused on week to week and going

through the new tracks. So yeah I haven't been following the Thunder very closely, but come June or May or June, I'm gonna be following them really close if they keep advancing. Will you ask for good seats? Absolutely. Hopefully I get to be front row, court side. Okay, and so you're not bashful about that?

You make that call yourself or? I mean, I might have someone else make it, but yeah. You got people to do that for you. Yeah you've got you've got people handling that for you. What is the worst part of the life? The worst part of the life of what? The racing life. The lifestyle, the travel, the moving around. Like I know I know you guys love what you do, but what do you regard as the part that is hardest about what you do? Man, that's a good question.

I'll be honest, I don't know that I've ever been asked that, but I appreciate it, and I will say that I have the coolest job in the world. It is, I mean, how awesome is it that I get to drive race cars for a living, but on the flip side, it is still a job. And those days where just you have races that go really smooth and I won three in a row. But then last weekend, which last week I still finished 12th. So

it wasn't the end of the world, but it's like everything you do is wrong and you can't pick the right lane on restarts. And it feels like you're just bashing your head against the wall So, you know, it's it's competitive. It's competitive. It's professional sports and some days you win some days you lose but those losses are Extremely hard at times they can be and the pressure is on man So, you know you everyone wants to be a professional athlete, but I don't think you know Some people don't put into perspective the pressure that we're under. It would appear that I mean all racers love racing but you really

love racing because I'm a Kyle Larson fan he dismissed Max Verstappen once by saying do it in the chili bowl and I had no idea what the chili bowl was and then I ordered Flow Racing and I watched my first chili bowl and it's dirt road racing. It's like basically souped up golf carts, guys going in a very small circle round and round and you were in the middle of it too and you're a really good driver. Why the Chili Bowl? But can you even explain the Chili Bowl to the lay person? Yeah. So the cool thing about the Chili Bowl is it's, well,

number one, you named it is it's well number one You named it It's dirt track racing and dirt track racing the car is constantly in a state of drift and you're sliding around the corners and the driver matters a lot more on dirt tracks than it does on asphalt tracks, so NASCAR which is the you know America's top form of motorsports, the car matters a lot. And if you're a really good driver and you're in a slow car, you're not going to win. You're not going to be successful. But on dirt track racing, a really good driver can take a slower car and make it win races.

So that's one thing that I love about dirt track racing is that the driver matters a little bit more. When you say casually the pressure we're under, can you articulate it? Yeah, I mean, I don't know how to articulate it more than there's, you know, just millions of fans watching, millions of dollars being spent, and millions of time and hours and effort put into your race car. And it's all dependent on me doing my job and making sure that I hit my marks. And on top of hitting my marks and being fast, like not screwing up, like never spinning out,

not coming down pit road, not running into people, not running into the pit crew members, stopping in the right spot on the pit box. Like there's just a ton of things that everybody is pouring their heart and soul and money and resources into me to make sure that I do my job. And that can be said for everybody, all the drivers out there. It can be, but I don't think necessarily that people know what the price is of dreams, right?

So when you talk about these pressures or how exhausted you are after a race, can you sleep or are you adrenaline through the roof? What level of tired and drained are you to be at the end of that? Yeah, well it goes, it kind of goes both ways. Like if I really screw it up and I do a bad job, I won't sleep at all. Now if I win, I won't sleep at all because I'm high on adrenaline and I'm pumped up But it's those days the days that like, you know I I do my job and I get the most out of my car and I finished third fourth, whatever Like then I can sleep. Okay, but definitely you win the race. You're pumped up. You're celebrating your beard

You know, you got buddies over you're staying up those nights and then the day that you really screw up You're not sleeping cuz you're like gosh, man. Why did I do that? and then the day that you really screw up, you're not sleeping, because you're like, gosh man, why'd I do that? NASCAR's known for its rivalries, driver rivalries. Who's a guy on the circuit that you don't particularly like? Or should I put it, who's the driver you would most like to beat by one car length at the bike?

You're really getting in there. Oh man, that's easy. That's Larson all day. So me and him have a very similar upbringing, similar background, we're are dirt track racers, and we push each other to the edge of control all the time. And I think he would say the same thing, that he loves beating me and I love beating him.

Iceman, it's been nice seeing you. Thank you for coming on and lending us a racing credibility that clearly we would not have without you and we now have even less because we've dubbed you the Iceman when you're not the Iceman. Thank you for being so icy, sir. Hey, I appreciate it.

I appreciate the nickname too. Okay, I appreciate you being so kind about it because it could have been a lot worse and it still feels pretty bad. Thank you. See you guys. And also the submarine sound. The nice man.

And also this question from Dan. What is the worst part of the life? Not my best effort. Wait, play the whole thing. Play the whole clip. The silence. We did not edit this silence. What is the worst part of the life?

The worst part of the life of what? That was great. The nice man. The nice man. Thank God he was nice, okay? Because that could have gone so poorly. I never got his Jalen Milrow takes though. What a love to hear about, you know,

combine quarterback takes for Ben Solak. I can't tell you how frail I feel right now. You'll have a shot at redemption with Ryan Blaney later this week. What is the worst part of the life? You must ask Ryan Blaney the same exact question. Yes. I'll just play the clip

These things I'm gonna make a different let's make sure to start the next one the same way That where I don't know should I go ice man, or should I make up? Maverick what's the worst part of life oh? My god now keep in mind. I'm gonna. I'm gonna let people see fully behind the curtain on this We were supposed to end that segment with a game. I don't understand Which was vroom or Vroom Vroom. Yeah, it was a well-constructed game. But I bailed on it because I didn't trust my prep

that began with his nicknames The Iceman. I was helping you with the chili bowl question. That was pretty revelatory. One Vroom would have just been meh, and two Vrooms is like, oh, I'm in on that. Vroom Vroom. Can we just play it now? I'd like to play that game.

You can play it with my dad. All right, let's do this with your father here. All right, Greg, Vroom or Vroom Vroom vroom I play it now. I'd like to play that game that play with my dad all right Let's do this with your father here all right Greg vroom or vroom vroom you have 12 items in your cart But there and the ten or less What I do why are you where you coming after like making noises back? Ten item or less is wide open you have 12 items Vroom or vroom vroom well that doesn't apply What am I going man? Or you're darn right like what does that mean am I I? Hate people who go into an express lane with one item too many so that's room

I'm the guy who counts the items of the person in front of your vroom on that okay. I'm vroom I'm glad we didn't get to this yeah, it's a bad idea Greg so you're very religious on the fact that 10 means 10. Yeah, I do. You never sneak an extra one in there, 11? I always count my items. Small one?

I'm always wanting to get in there. Because I'm always in that, like, I'm always around 8 to 12 items, the way I shop. So I'm always like, oh, man, I'm counting. I'm like, if I have 11, I'm just going and assuming that if they count, they'll miscount. Gents, you know what I've done? I've started doing the self-check checkout lane. I don't have to wait

Take out the little gun and I scan it right in my thing You have produce though You can scan everything I like sprouts to underrated thoughts on Milam's Milam's is it Milam's yeah Milam's Milam's what are your thoughts on Milums? Milums? Is it Milums? Yeah, Milums. Milums. What are your thoughts on Milums? I'm a Sprouts guy.

I don't like how they demand you to put it in the bag after, at the self check. It's like, put the next item, it's like, no, I'm just going to like put it right here. Can I scan all my stuff? It's like almost like you can't scan the next item. You have not put it in the bag yet. It's like, stop, I'll put it where I want to put it. I scanned it. That's all you're worried about here.

Don't worry about it if I put it in the bag or not. By the way, I do have a grace period on the express lane. If it's 10 or less items and you have 11, maybe 12, I'm gonna let that go. But if it's more than 13, the play is, when the other person's leaving, but still within earshot, I say to the cashier, I guess that guy couldn't count, huh? I have a top five receding hairlines.

I like this, let's do it. But it's not any receding hairline, okay? I'm not going like straight back like Walton Goggins, which I like how a hearty leans in. I'm going your V-shaped receding hairline. Oh yeah, the Dracula look. Yeah. Yeah. Number five, Orlando Magic point guard Scott Skiles.

Wow, Scotty. Number four, this one's kind of sneaky because he's blonde and it doesn't stick out as much, but Daniel Craig. Number three, newlywed Justin Theroux. Number two, Billy Donovan. And number one, comic book Norman Osborn. And number one, comic book Norman Osborn. What is the worst part of the life?