The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: The Worst Takes In Show History (feat. Pablo Torre)

Episode Date: January 30, 2025

Pablo Torre is here to kick off Hour 1 as we discuss Cam Newton's false equivalency regarding athletes speaking to the media after games. Then, when did everything change with our information around money and athletes? And is there a benefit and a pain to performing publicly? Also, Pablo plays another round of our new favorite game. Plus, Adam Schefter tweeted out Stugotz's Alex Smith take, so we take a look back at some of the worst takes in show history, including Dan's prediction that the Lions would be a playoff team in a year where they ultimately went 0-16. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Like, how can that not be an insult? I think the biggest insult is for you because he's telling you that he's the LeBron James of broadcasting. Well, I didn't want to say it, but thank you. There are similarities, really old. People think you should probably hang it up. Thank you, Amin, I appreciate that.

What'd you say? Pablo Torre joins us now. Pablo Torre Finds Out is the name of the ever growing ever more popular podcast uh... wanted to throw some subject matter at you that i have not talked about in a couple of weeks uh... on first take cam newton was objecting to how it is that mark andrews was getting ripped for not meeting the media after dropping the ball and uh... he mentioned by way of comparison wide reporters get to tell mark andrews that

he has to come out and talk when fs one has this uh... lawsuit all around its sports department and none of those people have come out and talked i understand it's a false equivalency wait a minute you laugh at at me, but when Gilbert Arena says something, you say, well, this is the player's perspective. And I understand that you might not like the equivalency, but this is the opinion of some players, most publicly, Cam Newton.

Yes, but he's sorely mistaken, and it's proven out by the equivalency, right? It's a by the equivalency right it's a completely false equivalency between a legal matter and a performance on the field or in the field of play matter and what is your take here Pablo in what is fair play when it comes journalistically to the lawsuit in general for example I've made some mistakes over the years most recently i would say in talking in any way about the dwight howard lawsuit and i only did so because i got the permission from dwight howard once he

talks about it publicly now it becomes a news item that's always been my standard on these things what is the correct standard now as all of these things change because anyone can allege anything in a lawsuit and in the modern age we're gonna feed on it whether it's fair or not there are going to be many standards and furthermore the mainstream media is going to lose by exhibiting any standards because it's going to be feeding frenzy on the internet and store to insure to have uh... like there is nothing that's happened with fox sports recently that has been talked more about than what's going on with that lawsuit

yeah i i do like the cam newton is now like an ombudsman character i just appreciate that i like his hats i like his journalistic curiosities i'm into it uh... the thing that that he is saying though and look at me is fundamentally right like of course these are lawsuits where people are afraid to comment because there might be for the litigation They might get sued themselves or be liable for stuff. I get it. Not the same But the but the notion that cams at with like hey, this is humiliating

You make us talk about this. Why don't you talk about it? You could have put in another example and I think the point would have been well or better made example and I think the point would have been well or better made there is a bit of a hypocrisy when it comes to media people not wanting to answer tough questions that we would expect out of the public interest celebrities in general to have to answer and now Dan to your point like the fact that everybody is a public figure the fact that everybody is public enough and interest the bar on that is so low because everybody is interested in something weird.

Okay, well maybe there's an audience number who wants to know the answer to this question. It's as messy as you're painting it. I think the distinction between you're famous, you get paid a lot of money, therefore we can hold you to account to tell us how it felt when you did something publicly that was embarrassing. It's just not about athletes.

It's not about celebrities, actors, Hollywood people. Everybody now meets that qualification. And so yeah, it's uncomfortable. We all, everybody in talking to microphones should be uncomfortable that someone like Cam Newton wearing that hat is gonna be like, you should feel the way that I feel. Pablo, you said, oh, the questions that media people

don't wanna answer. What's an example of that? I'd love to hear an example of someone in the media did something in the workplace, like on camera, on mic, that was a failure or an embarrassment and then refused to answer questions about it. Well, I think one basic thing that an athlete for instance could be frustrated by, understandably, is that we know everything about how much money they're making.

Yeah, that's true. We know all of the details and in fact we know them to the point where we argue about it and how they don't deserve it. And in reality, right, like again, and the excuse had been, I mean, you know this again, having explored such cap sheets, the example was justified because they got paid so much. And I just think that the thing we're trying to bridge

all of the time is when do you have so much economic, cultural, celebrity privilege that you get a higher degree of scrutiny? And I think there are just a lot of people around who actually don't want that and shouldn't want that. And if they knew that this was maybe going to come for them, wouldn't want the athletes to if it meant protecting themselves. And I happen to be one of them. So like, yeah, it's uncomfortable. But then you go to the realm dan of like a sports is different and that is we have to just explain very carefully why we think sports is different and

maybe there's an argument there i'd like to make it but it's increasingly less persuasive one i think it's not a terrible idea for a pablo tori finds out investigation to find whatever it is your theoretical ground zero is on when all of this changed our obsession with the money and athletes. It's the biggest reason that there's a gulf between them and the customers. It's a poison.

We all know all of their salaries and there's a ground zero on when that started because that stuff used to be private and then it didn't become private anymore and people who were giving out that information end up getting rewarded by it because we know what everybody in sports makes belichick sometimes when he coaches a coach here in there and then did l gets really mad when his salary is out there yes i think a lot of i think the immediate hypocrisy, right,

is not, and this is where I would push back on on Cam, I guess, like the real, the real beneficiaries of the unequal treatment between athletes, let's say, and other people, maybe similarly situated, increasingly similarly situated, isn't media people. It's all, it's their bosses. Like you want to know, I would want to know, hey, your front office, what are you guys getting paid? Right? Like it's uncapped, number one, typically.

It's a fascinating thing. What would you spend on executives when there was no restriction on how much you could pay them? And the Goodell thing is maybe the most flagrant one because the answer invariably ends up having sticker shock, right? It's like 50... fact check me please, Jeremy, I trust your journalistic ethics. Please tell me what Rob Degard has been making the last couple years. But it's like 50 million dollars or something. I think it's more private because he didn't like that it was out there. I think it's harder to find out now because he didn't enjoy that it was out there before when it was in the 30s. Well, and I think the other thing that you can lump onto that is also the availability.

So for example, Pablo's, well, I guess not beloved Knicks anymore because he's a Sixer fan, but Leon Rose has famously spoken to the media, I think twice since he took over. Yes. He just doesn't talk. That's it. And the Knicks are fun and good. Well, I mean, not the entire time, but yes, they're fun and good now, but he still does not talk. It's easy to say, well, you know, I don't need to talk to the

player. The team is doing great. They could talk for themselves, but there was a time when they weren't doing so great and this dude still was like, yeah, I'm not talking to the media. I don't need to. But can I, I do want to make the case for why sports and athletes do deserve to be held to a degree of scrutiny that is higher, right? Then just, let's say again, the average citizen. I mean mean it was hard, right? I remember Naomi Osaka, the tennis player of course, basically making an argument. I fundamentally feel not just uncomfortable but I feel that it's unfair that I, Naomi Osaka, get scrutinized in my most like emotionally harrowing moments after a defeat by people who are just trying to pick at the bones of my life.

It feels mean, it feels cruel, it feels unfair, it feels, in her view, I think, institutionally, like, just wrong. And I do have an argument against that, right? Like the whole point of performing in public fundamentally is that you get the benefits of the crowd but also the pain. Like if we are to consider what you do important, people are going to care enough to dissect it. And at a certain point adversarial questioning, and again there are lines of course, and dan is a columnist you know those lines where it's too far it's too mean it's too invasive but generally getting asked hard questions that by the way you can say no comment to or you can

evade it however way as many as dark jeter used to all the time in new york you have the right to do that but the questions should be asked I'm not saying that they shouldn't be held to a degree of scrutiny that's crazy relative to an average person i'd just think that it's fair for them to then say what about everybody else who i think would fall under that same criteria of public benefits and therefore public pain i i agree with you but i think the one of the aspects of athlete empowerment

they're beginning to say as a group collectively, no, I don't have to avail myself in an open locker room after a game. If I want to be private with this, I want to be private. If I'm Mark Andrews, I agree that if you're cheering for Mark Andrews when he's the hero of a game, it would be nice if he availed himself when he misses the winning catch. But does he have to? And I think more and more we're're gonna see less and less media access for athletes who now can break their own news on their Instagram page yeah I'm

curious about that sorry to interrupt Dan how do you feel about that like the locker room reporters out of their dynamic I don't blame all of those people for realizing that that's not something they need in their life anymore that it's invasive and while it prevents me from doing my job and does hurt me and i'd prefer it not be that way i understand exactly why it is that they don't want us around anymore they don't need us anymore and you can do it even when you don't have pedigree likely on rose in the biggest market you can do it even when you don't have pedigree like Leon Rose in the biggest market you can do it because you can just decide it now and the Commissioner of the League

has been trying to make access something that's contractually important because he believes that these relationships are important and his employees keep telling him we don't want to do that and then you hear him publicly say yeah I'm not gonna be able to keep doing this forever because you can't help but notice that all of those seats on the sidelines that used to go to the media have now gone to people who are paying much more for those seats like that's happened in the last 15 years. One of the funniest things is when I went to cover some final fours I was in Houston covering the final four for Sports Illustrated a zillion years

ago now. And it's the one place, I don't know if it's still the same way, maybe someone can correct me who's been more recently. I got good seats at the Final Four. Oh Dan. Oh my God. I was sitting in front of Drake. Drake and Vince Young were behind me

and I was like a fact checker at Sports Illustrated. Like God bless how they used to respect us. Oh, but it's also funny, you say, quote, used to respect us also had us sit in expensive seats to sit atop the injustice and sell it for them. Yeah. Like, they'd give us the most, they'd give the watchdogs the most expensive seats.

Yeah, those were good seats. Don Lebatard. Pablo leads all of podcasting in reading while smiling. If you listen to ESPN Daily, he sounds like he's having the time of his life. Stugats. Coming up next, I'm gonna tell you how the Savannah Bananas change your face. How do you know I'm smiling? That's how I find my vocal range.

Sometimes I just say Savannah Bananas. Savannah Bananas. This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats. Let's play a new round of our favorite new game, America's favorite new game. Bigger as entertainment than the show Matlock with Kathy Bates on CBS, it is Would You, Will You, Attend Their Funeral? We are going to play with Pablo Torre right now. Oh, God.

And the first nominee is Woody Page. I just got to Google to make sure that this is a hypothetical right now. Hold on real quick. Jesus. What are you doing? I'm just making sure that this is not a trap inside of a trap. What are you texting me? I'm going.

I'm going. I'm going. Cut out the part where I have to Google Um, I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. Cut out the part where I have to Google anything. I'm going. I'm there. Of course I'm there. He's the most popular person on a show that is soon to be allegedly dearly departed

that changed my life. And Woody Page, even though he used to steal my FaceTime topics during the show after I used to say to the producers, I do feel like I owe him a debt and it's a literal debt because my daughter is going to a private kindergarten probably next year. So, you know, that's me.

Around the Horn, would you go to the funeral for Around the Horn? I might be performing at it, technically. Oh, well, I'm not sure this is a good game to play with him because he'll go optics instead of honest. Yeah. I mean, look, oh, sorry, I'm not David Sampson, who will tell you all of the ways in which he is going to

actively. The game doesn't work if you're not gonna, if you're gonna just say yes to everybody because it looks good to say yes to everybody, you ruin the game. Give me another one and I'll get a sense of whether I can truly, yeah, be entertaining enough for you while also preserving my own human dignity.

J.A. Adande. Oh, come on! He's almost young to die. This is all of the Around the World panelists? Yes, J.A. I... Look, yes. Clint Yates. I'm going to J.A. Adande.

Oh, can I go? Can I leave now? Tim Kalashaw. I'm gonna, yes. Jackie McMullen. Yes. Let's play this with someone who'll be honest. Dad, would you attend Jeremy's funeral?

Yes. I'll see no one wants to play this game, honestly. All right, there they are, the first ever ruiners of the game because they're- I appreciate Samson more and more than this. Jason Sudeikis. No, he'll be there just for the sake of it.

Do I, where am I on the seating chart? I mean, that's a thank, I got a plus one, you know. Adakis There just for this do I Where am I on the seating chart? I mean that's the thing I get a plus one, you know All right, goodbye. Goodbye. Good. Bye. No, but I could Rama Swami. What is on what is on? Pablo Tori finds out Think we got a note do we get our first? Of course because it's easy cuz we won't movers and shakers there. Yes Honestly, if I got to give a speech at the Vegas funeral, I would consider it so on my show We have a story today. That's very interesting. It's how in living color, you know the TV show. Yeah how it changed

The Super Bowl halftime show forever. Yes, it did. Super Bowl halftime. Amin, okay, Amin maybe knows some of this story. It's incredible. It is an incredible story, yeah. Oh my God, it's 1992. Wyatt Snack was a guest on this with Sarah Spain. We had a lot of fun reliving this. Wyatt wanted to make an in-living color documentary.

Couldn't do it, but we got to get what he found out, which was some of the inner details of how how 1992 Fox dared to steal audience from CBS, which was doing a halftime show that was emblematically horrible. And I'll save the details for you guys to lick, to click and lick, I guess, and like, subscribe. But it's remarkable how we owe a debt to the Wayanses and David Alan Greer and Jim Carrey for birthing

like the biggest piece of cultural real estate in America. Do we know what plays opposite the Super Bowl halftime show now on other networks? Great question. Because In Living Color put on something that actually stole audience from the Super Bowl. And that's where the Super Bowl realized that it needed to go entertainment with this halftime show

and was aggressive and strategic About making sure they didn't lose the audience and also also the part of this And I'm sure you cover is also the standing of Fox at the time as a network. It was an upstart network It's not serious. It's where all the kind of the the married with children the Simpsons Yeah, all the misfit programming went there. And so this was a direct blow to the establishment Just know that the following year the NFL was so threatened So threatened that a we have no idea who even bothers to compete anymore because they followed that horrible

Halftime show which you should watch it's in the episode, with literally Michael Jackson. Like they were like, we gotta bring out the nuclear weapons. We will never be embarrassed by sketch comedy again. Jeremy, can you give me some Roger Goodell contract facts, please? He, as of 2020, 2021, was making $63.9 million per year. He recently signed a three-year extension, 2021 was making $63.9 million per year. He recently signed a three-year extension, but those numbers are not known.

I pledge to try and find out. Excellent. Can you find out for me? Otani's payments are deferred. I don't know what Soto has paid for a year. How many athletes make more than Roger Goodell does in a season of any kind? Is there an athlete that makes more than that for a year. How many athletes make more than Roger Goodell does in a season of any kind? Is there an athlete that makes more than that for a year given the the Soto contract and the Otani contract? You don't think he deserves it? Yes, probably as someone

who continues to make profit for the league. I understand. He's overseeing the biggest thing. I understand how there are stars that are really good at their job that you would argue are better at their job, but he oversees those stars doing their job. Like he keeps the machine coming. I mean, the only way that I disagree is just because of how tired I am about all the inequities that make for labor bodies to be worth less than CEOs

that create the divisions in this country that make people celebrate when a CEO for a healthcare industry is murdered in the street because of how much money he's making off of the pain of others. I would like to know his vork, value over replacement commissioner. We should have analytics about this.

That's all I'm saying. I'm just saying we should debate this. We should debate this in the way that we debate athlete contracts. Joe Scarborough. Goodbye. Whoa, that wasn't a yes. It wasn't, but he ruined the game. We can agree that that is a universally popular game,

but you have to be honest. Like the... You... It's why we did it with Samson. He's the only one that will be honest with that type of stuff. I was a little... I'll stand too, unfortunately, for him. Yes, you've created rifts in relationships that I have because you surprised me that get with that game and for some reason I was intent on holding up the integrity of we're gonna try to make this entertaining, right?

We're not gonna save Jeremy's feelings instead of Instead of making instead of making the show worse, because you're afraid of hurting Jeremy's feelings. The audience should thank you, that you're willing to jeopardize your friendship with Michael K. just for good content. I did jeopardize my friendship with Michael K.

because that's gotta be here. This funeral's gotta be in Florida. I'm not going to New York for that. And Cody's not going to Jeremy's funeral if it's not super convenient, and everyone else is going, and he's complaining the whole way. No, he's-

Chris is driving him and he's complaining the whole way. Okay, first of all, is there an open bar at this funeral? Okay, that factors in. Yep. Do funerals have open bars? No.

Never. No, no, hold on. No, it's, you know. Do we know this? We won't start a trend. I actually, it's funny that you say that, because I recently put that in my will as part of a state planning We got here I want to tell you a story I'm serious here my wife and my two daughters They begged me to buy a peloton

So I bought a peloton and then I watched that Peloton sit in my office and stare at me So, you know what I did one day? I looked at it and so I decided to get off my ass and I jumped on the Peloton because no one else was using It and I paid for it I mean, so why not then I realized eventually that they bought it for me and I got to tell you hey more Challenging than I could have ever. Peloton coaches are walking the walk. I love the coaches. I do the Grateful Dead one.

It's fantastic. They have a sub three hour marathon runner, military trained athletes, a former college basketball player and so many other well-rounded coaches on their team. All this experience really shows in their classes, which are never short of challenging, especially for me. So I jumped on it that first time. It was challenging, more challenging than I thought.

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You're swimming with friends, you're having a good time, and then all of a sudden people are looking around and going, where's Shelly? Like nobody screamed. Every friend group has a Shelley though, that if they go missing because a shark ate them whole, you wouldn't notice. Classic Shelley. Exactly, right. Yeah.

Stugats. She went quietly, apparently. If I'm swallowed whole by a shark, you're gonna know it. This is the Don LeBattar Show with the Stugats. I have Adam Schefter set to mobile alerts and he just tweeted at Stu Gotts. Stu Gotts' Alex Smith take because everyone's doing the flashback Thursday of, you know, several years ago, the Chiefs traded Alex Smith to the Washington franchise. So people are now being, a lot of people are being introduced to Stugatz's Alex Smith

date. So it's going to be a big day for Steele. Mike, I will tell you that one of my favorite things over the last couple of years of floating adrift at sea is when Stugatz makes it to the shores of a new fan base, like the 49ers or the Chiefs, with no understanding of what the character is and getting truly enraged by the character. And that take on Alex Smith, he's,

I don't know, I understand that this is a shameless human being, but I really don't know how it is that you are so immune to wrong that you feel comfortable still giving Kansas City chief's takes when you have been spectacularly wrong the last few years in a way that's like historically wrong, that Adam Schefter is now tweeting out to America, look how wrong this is because no one dared

to say something this dumb about the previous incarnation of Andy Reid and the previous incarnation of Patrick Mahomes. It is crazy, this sound, Hall of Fame worthy sound, I don't know, I'd like at some point before the end of our 20th anniversary for us to have a ranking that indeed selects some favorite show moments, some historic show moments. I would put this sound up against any ever set on our show for being most wrong.

Tough to be better than 27 and 9 over your last two seasons and change. Go ahead, Andy Reid. I dare you to go 14 and 2 and allow Alex Smith to leave Arrowhead Stadium to leave Kansas City. Go ahead, I dare you. Because of Patrick Mahomes. Because you think you could turn Patrick Mahomes into something that Alex Smith is not. Alex Smith is a very good quarterback.

Okay? No, he's a very good quarterback, Dan. You just talked yourself in from average. You just went from average. I said slightly above average is a fair place for you to put them But I've always said that Alex Smith is a very good quarterback I am rooting for Alex Smith to finally get it done this year because I've always said that Alex Smith is a good quarterback and Andy Reid the audacity first off to do this to Alex Smith Who's been very good and loyal to Andy Reid and won him a lot of football games to dangle?

Patrick Mahomes out there because Andy Reid thinks he's some sort of football games to dangle Patrick Mahomes out there because Andy Reid thinks he's some sort of quarterback whisperer, which he is not by the way, he is not because if he was Alex Smith would be better than he's been the last few years. So I dare. Wow, there was, I mean that's a record for controversy. It's on Andy Reid. That is a, that is a.

I mean the only reason Alex Smith is not better is Andy Reid. That sets a world record for Stu Gotz not paying attention to any of the things he said the sentence before they've made seven straight a fc championship games since then then i never realized that early on in that sound will we get caught up in the which he is not part but i've never as early in the sound he says he's a very good quarterback and you said

uses above average i said no i'd say that's okay for you to say. He took his take, he threw it on you, brought it back to him saying he's very good, and then end up contradicting himself again by saying, if he was so good, Andy Reid, that's not nice of Schefter. Whoa, Stu gots tweeted at him, so. It is, perfect. Which he is not, by the way.

I love that slur there, you don't even think. Which he is not, by the way. Which he is, wait, say it again. Which he is not, by the way. I love that slur there, you don't even. Which he is not, by the way. Which he is, say it again. Which he is not, by the way. He does, yeah. One more time. Which he is not, by the way. His multiple syllables there.

He is. He is not. Pronouns. Which he is not, by the way. Pronouns, my pronouns are he, his. So wait. Which he is not, by the way. So Schefter has tweeted that out to his how many followers

to bring attention to Stugatz being this kind of wrong. 11.4 million. Now that is gonna end up feeling more historically wrong than me saying that the Lions of Roy Williams and John Kitna were gonna make some noise in the playoffs and then they went 0 and 16. Yeah. John Kitna. God, that's brutal. Well he got hurt. If Kitna had stayed healthy they wouldn't have been. That's when Orlovsky's running through the back of the end zone and stuff like I'm watching that

season. They were so good in the preseason. Roy Williams. And that's how Orlovsky realized he can't criticize quarterback. Well let's see if we have. We have the Lions sound. Is it just as bad? Lions are going to be very good this year. The Detroit Lions are going to be very good this year. I own that comment. Calvin Johnson is going to be really good this year. You know what you've seen so far from Ted Ginn?

You've seen all of a sudden you've seen Ted Ginn's second year. You're like, oh, wow, look at that. Look, he's figured some things out. He looks a lot better than he looked last year. Calvin Johnson is a lot better than Ted Ginn. Sure is. He's a lot better than Ted Ginn, and he's a lot better this year. And he was a lot better last year, and he will be a lot better every year

that they're healthy in the league at the same time. Could be the best tandem. And I like Ted Ginn. Could be the best tandem in the league, Dancer. If Johnson's going to be that good, he's a freak. Roy Williams is amazing. Yeah, he's really good. And I just think the Lions are going to be really good this year.

What a teammate Stugac is. A good take sandwiched in a bad take. Amazing. Roy Williams is amazing. And I just think the Lions are gonna be really good this year. What a teammates Fugaz is. A good take sandwiched in a bad take. I mean. It was an obvious take sandwiched in a bad take. It became an- Calvin Johnson's really good, man. Look how good Ted Ginn is in year two.

Oh my God. Yeah, how about that? What a great pick by the Dolphins. Again, it became the 0-16 Detroit Lions. I believe no team had gone winless before that. Do I have it right? Was that the first winless team in the history of the sport? I think with a season that long.

Yeah, Tampa Bay had gone 0-1-14 in like 76 or something like that. By the way, you sounded youthful. How old were you then? Oh, he sounded so young. Yeah, it sounded like you were like 19. Not yet. Destroyed by the weight of society.

Or alcohol. It was just Dugant. It wasn't any of the other things. And it is, I will say this vulnerably to the American public in a way that leaves me a bit crestfallen. It is a bit crushing to hear that sound and not only sound younger, but clearly sound thinner. Aw. For sure. I think that's what we all, I think that's what we meant. 100% jerks.

You can hear it. I don't believe that that's something I could have heard before now when I can't unhear it. Like, before now, I don't think that you could have told me, could you hear someone getting fat in their speech? Can you hear someone getting old in their speech? I don't think unless you play old sound for me that that I could have gone to the grave without ever that having that as a realization. Instead, now everyone has it. So thank you for pointing that out. You are correct.

I do sound more exuberant. Those Lions were the first non-expansion team since World War II to go winless. Do you guys not think that is a good idea for our show that at some point at the end of our 20th anniversary to have like a suey of all sues where we just pick some, where we just announce here are the single best moments, sad moments, cringe moments, whatever it is those moments are and what would qualify for most wrong you've been. Like among you guys making public predictions, what would you guys put up against Stugatzis you can't bench Alex Smith for Patrick Mahomes and me suggesting that the Lions who were 0 and 16 were gonna be very good What would you put up your your most famous embarrassment is that you traded Dan Marino in a column? Yes, I did

He was right though. He was not right. Yes, I was not right. He wanted to replace Dan Marino with Scott Mitchell Yeah, it's a terrible take. It's an enduring take I've said before that he did an interview in front of the Miami Herald building and his face was pixelated and they distorted his voice because it was such a blasphemous thing to say at the time. Chris Cody, do you have an eternal echoing embarrassment? Surely you do, I mean, you got caught

looking at porn during the finals. That's not, no. I forgot about that. I mean, it's exactly what happened. Well, it's. It is what happened. Good call back. It is what happened.

Looking at porn. But you had been looking at porn before. You had been looking at porn. I had been doing research for a podcast I had to record and the tabs were open and I hadn't realized when I cycled through the tabs, trying to find the right window, that it was up there. That's what happened.

I wasn't watching porn during the finals. What was that podcast about? Just right before the finals. What was the right window that it was up there. That's what happened. I wasn't watching porn during the finals. That's just right before the finals. What was that podcast about? What was the title of that podcast? Podcast is, I'm glad you asked, Cinephobe. It's the podcast. No, I know what your podcast is. What was the episode that involved you rolling?

Let him do the thing. Let him do the thing. Honestly, this is- Was it Tiptoes? LeBron James of Broadcasting. I honestly thought he was seeing me up to do my spiel. I was like, oh, Graham, great, thanks. He was not. He was thought he was seeing me up to do my spiel. I was like, oh No, not doing so over your spiel is like no another thing that you do

Tiptoes was the movie idea of my dad getting mad at someone else for wanting to plug their podcast like we got you I mean, I mean if anybody should plug their podcast on this show with me That's what I was a never brings it up despite contractual obligations. The Greg Cody Show featuring Greg Cody. With? The YouTube channel is something I'm asking you to support because I'm telling you that the funniest thing comedy has going for it right now is when,

comedy is the word that I meant to say. When. He said it like walking See no evil hear no evil with Gene Wilder because he's deaf he has to read lips the Broadcaster asked what do you think about that? Come any and he's like, oh well one comedy is just as good as another The YouTube channel I am asking you to support of Greg Cody has in it what I'm... YouTube. No.

Ha ha ha ha. Roku. Go on. You should watch. Maestro. Melee. Cynephobe. No, no.

The funniest thing going is Chris Cody being able to spot when his father's laughter has gotten to a point in the wheezing that it's going to become a cough. Here it comes. The here it comes, it's just, it's such a tight window and I don't think you miss. Like I think that you might be betting a thousand on knowing with perfect clarity

when it is your father is about to cough. I'm trying very hard to always make him wrong and it never works. And I can see it on you. Like I can see it on your face that you don't want him to be right, and then you start coughing, and then you get mad at yourself, and then you start coughing more.

Yep, there it is. There it is. There it is. I am urging the listeners to check out Brad Williams and what he's doing for a remake of Spinal Tap that I believe Chris Cody really showed his ignorance on, not even knowing the name of the movie the other day.

Brad Williams was the guest on that podcast, and I was like, wow! The porn podcast? I swear to God, it was because we were doing Tiptoes. How about that? And Brad Williams was the guest on that episode, so you can check that out, Cinephobe, wherever you get podcasts.

You flipped me talking about my podcast to you talking about yours. That was brilliant. Synergy. Well done. Amazing the chemistry that they have. Telling you what. Your podcast is growing in popularity and I need your son over here. What am I going to do?

He's right here. What do you mean? son over here. What am I going to do about the fact that your son is being, he's the executive producer in the acting role of executive producer and I need his help over here and I've been trying to get him out of that podcast and I can't get him out of that podcast. You should ask Yeti how much attention I'm paying to The Greg Cody Show these days. Yeah, Yeti does the heavy lifting in terms of what Christopher used to do, believe me. Does it make you mad? Trust me, eh, you know. Little bit.

I'm happy to have Christopher on my show for the one hour a week that he devotes to actual recording. It feels like an actual upgrade to have not Chris producing it, right? I'm pretty sure Yeti sent an email to me and my dad like in the last week where he's like, the word of the year is effort. I think we could all,

like he was giving us a pep talk. I think we should. I love that man with my whole heart. Giving Greg Cody a pep talk for his own podcast. Yeah, I said, we put in enough effort, don't worry about it. It's bare minimum. And you expect your son to put it in on your behalf,

and now he's only giving you an hour, and you're getting mad at Him and now yet He is trying to produce the both of you by teaching both of you how to work Yeah, we put in a lot of effort on the Greg Cody show with Greg Cody believe me It's not just the hour of recording. There's a lot of preamble a lot of organizing a lot of planning staff meetings You know everything's going on. No, there isn't. How many staff meetings have you had? There hasn't been a staff meeting unless it's a meeting you're walking into with a staff.

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