The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Things Gon' Get Real Now (feat. Dave Dameshek)

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

"They understand show business, something you don't know anything about." Baby Billy Dameshek has arrived to take us through the biggest Week 12 NFL storylines and tell us about the time he had a catch with Michael Irvin. Plus, bland carnitas at Will Cain's house, an insane goalie, and an update to this week's polls. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Cocaine! Okay, I guess so. Yes, that is what you're doing. One squirt of this, no more COVID. I got to get rid of these teeth. Now, go on get. Go on get now. It is hard to talk with good teeth.

I love great Hunter Biden. It was a good impression. I thought it was Connor McGregor. Can you just put them back in, though, for the first bit of analysis here? I'd just like the first bit of football analysis, if you can do it in character. Give me some current playoff teams who can't afford to lose in week 12. Now, Eli, I want to talk about pigskin much as you do now, but I'm going to talk about the bus family. They're from Hollywood.

They understand show business, something you don't get. Now, they don't know about that Jerry Bus had an incompetent in his family. I hang her on. I don't want to know what he had to deal with, but they had to get rid of them kids already. All right, let's talk about football now. I'm sorry. I tried to weigh in on something

because I was drawing a connection between baby Billy and the bus boys. Anyhow, yes, pro football teams. Did you think we didn't understand what you were doing there? I just couldn't understand because of the teeth. It seemed pretty clear that you were making the connection between what we were just talking about and this segment.

Eli, I need to get some Jesus in his life. Stop talking back to me now. Um, listen, yeah, I, I, I didn't know if I, if I was articulating myself well enough for you to understand what I was, uh, trying to lay down there. Yes, let's talk about pro football, though, shall we? And there are a lot of teams, you know, if you talk to pro football players, as you guys do, they'll tell you, things ramp up. Things start getting real. Right around, I'm kind of still doing baby Billy there. Now, things are going to get real now, right around Thanksgiving time, right around. Turkey day. Now, Turkey is, uh, is something that Jessica Smetana and Mike Fuentes.

are too cool to eat, even though that's what you're supposed to eat on Thanksgiving. They need some Jesus in their lives. But anyway, Thanksgiving is around the time that pro football players will tell you, I don't know what they were doing for the preceding three months, but they say now the season really starts. And guess what? We're at Thanksgiving. And there are a lot of teams that are sitting in the playoff spot,

some of them even in first place. But if they drop a game this week, they're in serious jeopardy of missing the whole tournament. Let's take through them. The Lions are right up there. I know everybody loves them. Borderline America's team, of course. Football America's Team 2025 was and is and will remain despite what happened on Thursday night, the Buffalo Bills. But the Detroit Lions are a lovable bunch too. If you ain't paying attention, though, they're right on the cusp there. They should handle the Giants. If they don't, they're doomed. They wouldn't be in the playoffs if they started today. right and and they got to handle the giants like i say double digit favorite which is almost damning them 10 and a half that's all they're given to the giant sheesh um i think Vegas is starting to catch on that without ben johnson they are on as we talked about a couple few months ago they are on a gentle decline where the bear where the bills are ascending ever so

slightly the bills the bills are not ascending how do you No, see, I have the, I still have the teeth in. I meant to say, I meant to say bears. The bears are, the bears are, the bears. Ben Johnson is, has that team tracking right. Like I say all the time, there is a case to be made that is important as the quarterback is, the guy at the trigger obviously is who you want, but the guy in his ear, the guy calling the place may be more significant. Who would you rather have Ben Johnson on your staff? We may They decide by the end of this season that Jared Goff was less important than Ben Johnson was to what the Lions were doing. And you could make the same case for Brock Purdy or Mack Jones up there with Shannie and San Francisco.

And so it goes. Yeah. So the Lions desperately need to take care of business because they've got a tough road to hoe after this one. Everybody has talked about the Kansas City Chiefs, but there's just no more room for them to fall back. The problem is the Indianapolis Colts also desperately need to win. I think people are not really paying much attention to it, or maybe they just don't want this to be a reality. But beware them Jacksonville Jaguars.

They're right behind them. And if the Colts lose at KC this weekend, the Jags are going to be hovering right there, as are the Houston Texans. It's conceivable that the feel-good story of 2025 may evaporate somewhere in Act 3 here. The Steelers desperately. need to win this one. I'll say it right now. They're, they get into double digits if they lose to the bears this week. They have four heavyweights upcoming with Detroit, Buffalo, and two with the

raven. And then the dolphins. The bucks. Yeah. The dolphins are in some, yeah, they also mix in the dolphins there. Before you get to the bucks, though, Aaron Rogers is going to try and play with a broken wrist? I mean, I think it's a terrible idea. It's been floated that Mike Tomlin feels like he has to start Aaron Rogers. If Aaron wants to play, he's not going to say no to him. If that's the case, I don't know what. That sounds insane to me if it's not good for the team or if it's not the best option for the team. And, you know, Mina Kheim said it. She and I have gone back and forth about this. It's pretty clear if you're watching Aaron Rogers. A lot of people have a hard time distinguishing the name brand versus the current reality of it. Aaron Rogers and his

prime is not what you're getting in Pittsburgh. Obviously the people who are watching, he's having trouble moving around and he's prioritizing not getting smacked. I get it. He understands his own mortality. He's in his 40s, as we've talked about again. Now he has a broken left wrist. He has a ball in his throwing hand. How's he going to defend himself? What he's going to do is he's going to turtle up like Peyton did like Brady didn't like all old men do when when sizable men are chasing him around on the field. So it's a terrible idea to throw Aaron out there. The reality, this is not Aaron Rogers in his prime. Everybody's got to get clear about this in their brains here. I'm not saying that Mason Rudolph is better than Aaron Rogers in

2011. I'm saying right now with an Aaron Rogers who doesn't want to get hit and now is going to be further incented to defend himself, you're going to put him out on the field instead of Mason Rudolph. Fah, insane. Dave, it's been shocking to see how different Aaron Rogers is in the pocket when there's pressure coming. It doesn't even have to be intense pressure. He is so scared of getting hit, and I think you're absolutely right. You couple that with a broken wrist. He's going to be extra jumpy.

You'd be better off with the backup. Put this on the poll, please, at Lebitard Show. Do old men turtle up when large men chase them, yes or no. It is weird to watch all of that. And you, before we go any further, though, you're putting both the Colts and the Chiefs in the category of needing to win the game this weekend. The Colts through 11 weeks, okay? Higher points per drive than any team other than the 2007 Patriots, the undefeated one with Randy Moss and Tom Brady or the 2018 Saints

of Drew Brees. This is an offense that is really historically strong. And while Mina Kimes goes on the Foxworth Show and says that the Colts are a better team than the Chief, she also can't see Mahomes losing three in a row when the last one is needed to save their season. So where are you on that? I'm going to take the chiefs at home. I guess I'm maybe one of the curmudgens I like to make fun of that until you see it, you don't believe it. I'm going to ride with Mahomes. I think he understands the stakes of where they are now that they just simply can't afford to drop one. and I'll take Mahomes over Indiana Dimes or whatever his name is. But, you know, the other thing is, we saw the Texans are on the rise.

And like I say, the Jags have just a cakewalk. The math favors Jacksonville down the stretch. They have a cupcake schedule aside from a trip to Denver the rest of the way. They should win out pretty much after this week. The Colts schedule is more fraught. It's as simple as that. So if they can go into Arrowhead and, And, you know, I was talking about this the day after the Super Bowl when the Eagles just sort of felt like they just, oh, the emperor has no clothes.

I mean, is that in fact the carryover? Is it in fact was the damn broken emotionally and spiritually and otherwise that like, oh, yeah, they're human. They bleed these chiefs. And it feels kind of like the NFL figured something out. the chief showed them like, oh, yeah, they're, they're just human beings. They're, they're just people like us after all. Yeah, but what do you do? What do you do with the fact? I have a little runny nose like baby Billy like I'm doing cocaine. I'm not doing that. What do you do, though, with the fact that our perception on the chiefs is wrong. Their offense per drive is better

than any offense they've had with Mahomes. Like, that's not, I'm not making that up in terms of scoring per drive. They score more touchdowns per drive with this offense than they ever have. They're just losing the close games. This is what's happening with the analysis of the Texans here recently. You understand that the Texans were 0 and 5 in one score games, and now should C.J. Stroud be replaced by Davis Mills because they've won their 3 and 0 in their last 3 one score games. Like, I don't think Davis Mills has that ability. Do you? Here, this is the bottom line, and it may be unsatisfying to hear this.

But this is a dream come true for Raj and his network partners. They love mediocrity. They call it parody, but that's what we're looking at here. How do you explain this result last week and then this result this week? Parity. That's how everybody is pretty close to even Stephen here. And I don't want to live in this world. I don't think it's a good world where 15 and 8 are interchangeable.

I know Megan Kelly likes that, but I do not. Roger loves it. Hot damn. But that, I mean, that's the bottom line. It is hard to distinguish the top-tier teams from the second-tier teams. And, you know, you assume that the quarterbacks, the superhero quarterbacks, are going to provide the difference there. And maybe we'll see that in the final third.

But, you know, we're not up to a great start when you know that going into week 12 where a lot of teams got to have it. It's not must-win because, of course, Roger's not going to cancel any of the games in week 13. So we should stop using the phrase must-win until it is, in fact, must-win. win. But these teams got to have it. The chiefs are one of them. The bills, if they wanted to get the number one, I mean, if they wanted to get the number one seed by winning the AFC East, they had to have it last night. And Josh Allen's superhero quarterback Supreme couldn't get it done. So that may be a harbinger for teams hanging their hat on, well, we got a better quarterback

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Putt ball. This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. The quotes I saw yesterday from Sam Darnold, where he was saying that the Seahawks, that their turnovers are unacceptable. The Seahawks have 20 turnovers. It's more than any team in the sport. If they can solve that, they are the best team in the sport.

Can they solve that? I think so, but you also have to be careful about this, and I don't mean this from a pure entertainment standpoint. You hear a lot about this specific to Jordan Love up in Green Bay. And last January, you heard a ton of this. And I think it's sadly ironic for the aforementioned superhero level talents at quarterback in the QB League, which is, we know Lamar Jackson and Sam Darnold to a lesser degree, same draft class, obviously. But, you know, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and so on. You're the difference maker for us. You can do something on the gridiron that maybe five or six human beings have ever been

able to do. Don't do that, though, because you might turn the ball over. That's an unsatisfying position that we've reached in our society, I think. We're asking these guys, I get it. You have to be safe with the ball, ball security and all of that. But also the difference that the high-end QBs can theoretically provide, you need to try and take advantage of that instead of approaching every game scared you know who does that a lot mike tomlin oh yeah but mike tomlin does that but you know who else does it

nick seriani like what are you doing with the following information when the eagles win the turnover battle they're 40 and 2 40 and 2 if you do that over three seasons you're going to win the super bowl every year because eli we talked about this though now the philadelphia eagles have somehow slipped in into the same status of the New England Patriots a decade or 15 years ago, which is whatever they're doing, pay no mind to it because it's not going to transfer to your team. I don't understand beyond Howie Roseman's involvement, how the Philadelphia Eagles, with a quarterback who even his own teammates consider a little bit deficient in a lot of ways and a lot of

fundamental ways as a quarterback. They have a complainer at wide receiver and AJ Brown and Nick Siriani, where progressive offensive minds are everything in the here and now. Nick Siriani has been in the Super Bowl two out of the last three years and he won one of them and both of them were against the Chiefs. Pay no mind to this. You cannot transfer whatever voodoo, Howie Roseman, has sprinkled onto Philadelphia. It does not, it will not relate to whatever other situation we're talking about now, your Rams, or should I say Mike Ryan's Bucks playing the Rams in LA are one of those teams. Both the Bucks in L.A. Better have this one. If the Rams dropped this one, you're absolutely right. The Seahawks are this quiet team back there. And I think on the big stage a week ago, a lot of people

were expecting a little bit more out of Sam Darnold. And I get it. You're pessimistic based on the way he wound down 2024. He wasn't great in a big spot. But if they can get that right, they do get the Rams one more time. The division can be theirs. And so, believe it or not, can be the number one seed. Dave, if you got up right now and you went to brunch at the Ivy, how many of the waiters leave you headshots? You are giving off producer, pal. Look here now. We got to get baby Billy's Bible bonkers. Got to get you on that show. Get some Jesus in your life.

Yeah, I'm not sure exactly who is. Robert Evans. You're giving off Robert Evans. Yeah, you're giving off a Hollywood big shot who has fallen on hard times and B-list actors don't want to meet anymore for lunch, even though he wants to meet them. Losing your lady always hurts. But when you lose her to the biggest star in the world,

you feel small give me some information here before you get out of here Football America is the podcast I recommend it strongly if you want football nourishment combined with entertainment what is real here

can you guys look this up for me because C.D. Lamb is saying that he and George Pickens were held out against the Raiders on the first drive because they missed curfew in Las Vegas which is 10 p.m. But the internet is saying

that C.D. Lamb was vomiting outside of a casino the night before the game. What's accurate here in terms of what happened with Dallas sitting pickens and C.D. Lamb for the first drive against the Raiders and how useless is that as a punishment, sitting guys for the first drive, which went, of course, three and out. They were playing three wide receivers. None of them, they're good ones. I think it's a hysterical punishment.

Just one drive. I hope you guys learned your lesson. and now go score a bunch of touchdowns or else we're going to lose this game and be out of the playoff mix, so. Which they did. That's exactly right. By the way, you know, I don't know if you're paying attention, although we just talked about it four minutes ago, and Aaron Rogers or Mason Rudolph, boy, George Piggins could sure be valuable to a deficient

passing game in Pittsburgh, but Omar Khan, the GM and Mike Tomlin, had to get rid of him because he was a neer do well, don't you know? He was a pain in the ass and shame that. devil if a pro football team ever had to try to manage a pain in the ass diva at wide receiver. There's no history of any team ever succeeding. Well, wait a minute. The Eagles won the Super Bowl with A.J. Brown. But that's just a one-off because no thing.

Well, Randy Moss had some pretty good years with New England and the Vikings and all of that. But that's the extent of it. The Steelers have, well, they did have Antonio Brown. What are we? Mike Tomlin, such a great manager of all personalities, no matter how wild they get. But they couldn't deal with George Pickens. No, not in a year in which Omar Khan said into a microphone, we're chasing the Super Bowl this year. Well, it leads me to believe that maybe there are two guys who look very similar walking around the Steelers facility, both named Omar Khan.

Because the Omar Khan who says that they're trying to win the Super Bowl and bringing in Darius Slay and Aaron Rogers and all the other veterans seems to disagree with the Omar Khan who traded a war. George Pickens in a contract year who George Pickens certainly understands that if I have one good year, generational wealth for my family forever. But we can't keep him around because he's a bad seed, you see. Put it on the poll at Lebitard show. Is George Pickens a near-do-well, don't you know? George Pickens had a pretty good game for having this weird suspension. Dave, you're a learned man. quite well. You're familiar with a 1992 possession suspension of Michael Irvin, or can I tell you in the audience about it? Because Michael Irvin was late for the team charter. Troy Aikman saw him

outside the plane, and he's rushing to the plane, and Jimmy Johnson says, leave without him. Michael Irvin is forced to buy a one-way commercial ticket to Detroit. He is benched for the first possession of that game until North Turner gets in Jimmy Johnson's headsets and said, coach are killing us. We suck. Harper is doing nothing out there. Michael Irvin pops off. for 114 and a tutti let me name drop for you real quick michael irvin one day i was uh we were moot at me louie name drop one day i was having a catch with hall of fame wide receiver michael irvin down on the gridiron down on the field at indianapolis around the combine i believe And I threw him a pass in the corner of the end zone and he caught it and he turned around

to the empty stands and he took his iconic pose like this, not unlike baby Billy is fond of doing in front of an audience. And I said to him, man, that feeling must be something indescribable to be cheered on that level by 70,000 people for something that you've just done. And he said, man you know me i've had a lot of fun in my life there's nothing like that and maybe that is the transition that george pickens and everybody else sort of makes that you have to play on the fact that yes you can go and have your fun in Vegas and throw up if that's fun for you but the the one irreplaceable thing is performing under the lights like that and i think that when you talk about maturity or lack thereof early on in a career guys start to get that there is

no replacement for the shine you get on Sundays, no matter what else you're doing in Vegas or otherwise. And understanding that is everything. A quick answer on C.D. Lamb and the Cowboys curfew, he says, I know how to hold my liquor. So it sounds like it wasn't him throwing up because you know how to hold his liquor, so maybe with somebody else. All right. Thank you for the update. Damashak is at the helm, the skipper of Football America. It is something you should be listening to if you care about football on the way out. Who is the better producer on Football America? Is it Mike or Gino Fuentes?

Well, I'm going with Gino because he's a man of tradition. Mike Flentes wants to eat Cornetus on Thanksgiving. What are we doing? Are we getting rid of Christmas trees now, too? I like Christmas, but the tree clouds up my house. Get rid of it. Fah! That had an undercurrent of racism in it,

hitting him with the... What are you doing? Hitting him with the carnitas. Oh, yes. The carnitas were unnecessary. I think he could. That's a part of it. That's what he was.

That's what he was. You're the racist. I didn't make that up. Come on now. What are you talking about? Go on. Get now. Minor penalty, two minutes.

Accidental racism. Outrageous. That's not for me. That's for him. Five minute major, not listening to that episode. See you later, Damashak. Go on get now. It's the Nissan

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And Mike Ryan bet on Draft Kings, because Mike Ryan bet on us. This is the bet you're afraid of doubling down on, putting up a billboard in Edmonton. Stugats. I care more about Matthew Kachuk than I do my daughter. This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. Let's at Bland Carnitas at Will Cain's House. Put it on the poll at Lebitard Show. Are you surprised that the Carnitas are bland at Will Cain's house at Lebitard Show?

It's the place that you reach us. I'm sorry, baby Billy, you're out of here. Matthew Barry will be here shortly. I think we're going to yell at him some about the performances of Justin Herbert and Ashton He might be hiding because he hasn't shown up yet this week. Yeah, we will find him in moments. But before we do that, I just want to check in at the end of our week here with Calgary goalie Devin Cooley because he was asked, and I think this is the good perspective to have.

We talk about do-or-die games. We talk about must-win games. Goalie seems like a hard job. I think they're crazy because it's a hard job. I think all of them are crazy. Put it on the poll at Lebitard Show are all hockey goalie. crazy, but I love Devin Cooley's attitude when it comes to, how do you stay calm back there when everyone's pelting your face with 105 mile an hour slap shots?

You really have to ground yourself, so I just like, I think I've said this before, but I just go like, nothing matters. Nobody cares. We're all going to die. And I just like say that over and over and over again. So that way, like, I don't get too excited. Because as soon as I start getting too excited, I'm like, oh, this could be it. This could be the win. Like, we're playing really well. I'll start doing stupid stuff. And then I'll, like, give up dumb goals because I'm being stupid. And so if I just keep repeating those words over and over again, it just grounds me and I can just really just stay in the moment

and not get too excited. Nothing matters. We're all going to die. Can't confirm. He said that before. Can you get for me the We're All Going to Die song because he makes it feel happier and less pressurized than it actually is. But it works as a mantra if you're nervous

and you just want to do something that feels like transcendental meditation, where you just get a key phrase or mantra to repeat over and over again. Die. We're all going to die. We're all going to die. We're all going to die. There's a hurricane in my earthquake

and we're all wondering why. Let's turn on the news and find out that we're going to die. The Texans defense. is allowing fewer points than the Legion of Boom defense was allowing. The standard in our lifetime is the Ravens defense of Ray Lewis that didn't require any scoring from their offense and won the Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer. But this Texan defense,

sacking Josh Allen eight times is an insanity. You can't sack that guy eight times. That guy will move away and move around sacks, even if nobody's blocking for him, To see the bills grounded that way yesterday, eight sacks and three turnovers is the reason they lost that game. Per opta stats, the Texans are the first team to have two players with two plus sacks against the reigning MVP and another with two plus interceptions against him in the same game for Will Anderson, Daniel Hunter, and Kaelin Bullock. And then Josh Allen is also the first quarterback to account for six TDs passing or scoring in one start.

and then account for zero in his next since Tommy Kramer in 1986. A lot of you may think I'm a Miami Hurricane Homer right now. Rest assured, in the mid-teens, it was way worse. I went into that Alabama game thinking Miami had a chance. I go to the Mercedes-Benz Stadium field, and I see the Eric King warming up, and I'm like, all right, season of expectation, here we go. And I see Will Anderson stretching out in front of him, and I knew. I was a fucking moron.

The things that Nick Saban did at Alabama will be hard for anybody else to recreate, even as Georgia tries, even as Clemson has tried, what they did there in dominating the sport and how he got out at exactly the right time as everything became, just exactly the right time, as everything around him became more and more just and equitable. It was an insanity to watch. I'm not totally sure that we appreciated it quite enough. The funniest thing...

Mani Diaz was telling people before that game, every empire must fall. I mean, Lane Kiffin telling us just flatly that every time when he was at Alabama, they walked on the field and they looked at their sideline and they looked at the other sideline, and him and Sabin knew that they always had the better players makes me circle back around here to the Lane Kiffin conversation.

Mike, things have escalated this morning. You are doing some reporting that no one else is doing. I don't know how you feel about Ariel Hawani questioning your credentials to your face by saying, how does he know this? Who are your sources? Why is it that he's reporting this? And I'm not hearing this anywhere else. You were interested in this last night saying that it was beginning to go crazy.

crazy. This morning, but this morning, but what were you hearing last night versus where it's escalated to this morning where Mississippi is so fed up with this? Go ahead, Mississippi. I dare you. Go ahead and fire him. I dare you to fire him, Mississippi. See how that goes for you. I love Lane Kiffin. He is my favorite personality in college football. He is consistent, man. He doesn't give an F. He doesn't. Lane's got to do what's right for Lane right now. And I think over the course of 20 years since the last time he did this. He's kind of earned that. I think in the heart of hearts of Ole Miss supporters, they'd admit to that. But this is really, really funny what's going on because Florida for two weeks has been back channeling for longer than that. This

honestly dates back a year with Lane Kiff in this pursuit, really. And Florida has felt really confident this entire time. They're starting to get nervous. Last night they had a deadline for Lane Kiffin, and there was no way in hell. Lane Kiffin was going to adhere to that deadline. Now, as I've said earlier, I do think we're reaching critical mass here. I don't understand how old misses on a buy, and they're aided by that, but they are furious, and I understand where they're coming from right now. This is as fascinating as this can get.

I don't see how this story evolves. Elaine has everything that he wants right now. The number, he's going to be the highest paid coach in the sport. He's going to have a record-setting NIL package. He's going to get to do whatever he wants with his staff. This is up to Lane and his family, and don't, do not gloss over the family aspect of this. No, I would say the fact that his family was being sent out to these places on recognizance missions as advanced scouts, and it was being reported that his family was in places.

I would say that the only thing that matters here, because the jobs are going to end up being similar. And he can ask for whatever he wants. He can pit them against each other. He can keep asking for things. But I would assume that the deciding factor will end up being where does your family want to be? Because dad's not going to be home a whole lot. Like if you better be in a city. Dad took this job and took everyone to Mississippi, a place that the family doesn't want to be.

Because we've been all about dad for a really long time. Now the family gets to cash in on whatever it wants. because the jobs are going to end up being very similar and they're going to be a bounty of riches unlike anything that Lane Kiffin has ever had available to him before. You mentioned the daughter dating the star linebacker over there. I mentioned Lane's son is favoring LSU and that's what's complicated this whole thing.

From a family standpoint, that might be the better play. We know Lane Kiffin loves Florida ever since he left Boka. He's been trying to get back. He was on our show like the water's brown. over here. We knew this day would come. I didn't think it would come at the point where some of the greatest jobs are all open simultaneously. I know he's been going down this road with Florida for such a long time and this felt like it was a near certainty. But that LSU job, Dan, I think, is better and not by a little. And if Lane wants to get to where he wants to get to, which is also not

recruiting a hell of a lot. That's a huge part of this and both schools will acknowledge that. I think LSU is a play here and then it would be fascinating to see what happens with Florida if they get spurned here because there's some crazy names there. I'm not ready to report but Florida will be desperate. I'm willing to say not absolutely but pretty close to absolutely that if Lane picks LSU it's because of his family and if he picks the state of Florida it's because of himself. And so he will have to make a decision on what it is that his kids want versus what it is that he wants because he can have success in either place. Circling back around, though, to what it is that happened last night in football. Here are the numbers of the Texans

defense versus Josh Allen. Two interceptions. One fumble forced and recovered. So that's three total takeaways. Eight sacks for 70 yards. That's the most for any QB since Zach Wilson in 2021. Jack Wilson incompetent. Zach Wilson famously incompetent running around, holding the ball too long. So eight sacks for 70 yards. That's the most by any quarterback. That's a guy that doesn't get sacked like that because if he's so athletic, 11 QB hits, 12 QB pressures.

The bills were 0 in the red zone, and Josh Allen was pressured on 33% of his dropbacks. This is the full Josh Allen experience from week to week, right? have the week where he is, he looks like just the best player on the planet, right, where he's got three rushing touchdowns, three throwing touchdowns, and it's like, oh, this guy's kind of unstoppable. And then the next week, he plays a defense that's actually really good, and then reverts back to like, 2020 Josh Allen, where it's like, why is he doing this? He's throwing the ball behind his back kind of thing, where it's like, this is the full

gambit of what's going on with Josh Allen. I thought this was fixed, Dan. I thought this was like, all right, he's past all those weird things he used to do. And it's like, now he's kind of reverting back. He won the MVP because he became more risk-averse, and they coached the turnovers after him. This year, they've beaten the good quarterbacks. The bills have beaten Mahomes. They've beaten Lamar Jackson.

Who have they lost to? Yeah, they've lost to Pennix. They've lost to Davis Mills. They've lost to Tua. That's weird. They've beaten the good quarterbacks. Slightly hurt that you didn't include Baker and the good quarterbacks. Well, I was getting there.

Yeah, he was the third of the good quarterbacks. The thing that's happening, though, and this one's funny to me. man. He's got more interceptions Josh Allen does in the last six quarters than Jalen Hertz has in 10 games.

But that's aggressiveness, right? That's you trying to go out there and make something happen out of nothing, where Jalen Hertz kind of has an idea of where he's going to go. He's going to throw to A.J. Brown a couple times, and that's kind of it because their offenses run differently. It's a funny thing to happen, though, where A.J. Brown with the Eagles is so frustrated

that he's scoffing it quite. So they ask A.J. Brown. They're like, are you a lesser player? And his response is, I guess Sequan's a lesser player, too, right? Like, that team is frustrated because they'd rather be playing like Josh Allen's team. If I gave A.J. Brown the option, hey, would you like to go 40 and two in the games where you beat teams because you have fewer turnovers than them? Or do you want to be 10 catches for 140 yards? And you'll take seven losses in there because whatever, it's a funny tension to have they didn't evidently coach the risk out of Josh Allen what they did was surround him with players who made all of it a little more stable so he can trust the offense and not feel constipated about how it is that he was playing football but when Dalton Kincaid's out your running back situation was good all year but in these recent games that you've lost you're not getting what you need from Cook like I I was confused by what happened with Cook against the Dolphins. And the last time they lost, it was the same thing where they're not getting anything from Cook.

But last night, they ran the ball. Last night, they, Shakir wasn't one catch for nine yards. They were throwing the ball to Shakir. So last night you got beat because your quarterback got sacked eight times because Shakir fumbled him because your quarterback threw two interceptions. But also you're throwing to Khalil Shakir, right? Like, that's your first round pick, Keon Coleman is a second time for a healthy scratch. And you got a guy named Shavers out there running rounds.

It's like, who the hell is this guy? Well, he caught the first touchdown. Yeah, but he sucks. Watch that guy all year. I know he caught that touchdown. He sucks. That's true. He makes good perms.

Okay, wait a minute. He sucks. The name of Shavers. Where'd this guy come from? You say he sucks, but I saw Gabe Davis suck. The ghost. He sucks. That's my God.

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