The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Tony's Dad Purchases

Episode Date: July 24, 2024

Content warning: Segment 1 of today's Hour 1 includes discussion on sexual misconduct and sexual assault. If you or a loved one has ever been the victim of sexual assault, you are not alone. Call the National Sexual Assault Hotline at 1-800-656-4673. David Samson sticks around as he and Dan wade through the difficult discussion around both the new Louis C.K. documentary and the Kevin Spacey documentary detailing both men's stories and how they sexually assaulted their victims. Then, Tony is preparing for life as a father and has made his first purchase to prepare for fatherhood: a grill. Dan, Zaslow, and the Shipping Container discuss the merits of his purchase and how it applies to being a father before diving into the hype around the new Deadpool & Wolverine movie. Plus, as Max Kellerman seemingly sits on the shelf for ESPN, Dan asks the crew what they would have been doing if ESPN paid out 18 months of their contracts to NOT work for the company. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And this is when I really wanted Mike Schur's phone number, because forget the Greg Cody Party invitation, I would trade that, which I never got. And I am on air. Yeah, you're on air. You're on air. I'm on air. I'm on air, too. And I'm on air.

The fact that I'm not invited to the 70th is just obviously more proof of where I stand and that's fine but I would trade it with a player to be named later for Mike's cell phone number to talk about the Documentary called sorry not sorry. I saw that hold on a second though before we get to that Chris Cody's got some news for you here. You might like Zazzle might not like David. You might like I've seen the master list and you're on it my man. Hell, yeah I've got news to you're invited to Danny GQ's wedding if you want to attend I'll send a gift for sure. Oh Zazzle ends when it is I'm not saying no. It's sort of like would you attend their funeral? I mean would you attend their wedding? The answer is sometimes we send out invites that are fishing for a gift

I totally get that and frankly sometimes people invite you and they don't want you to come to the wedding I love Danny. I can't imagine that he wants me to share his nuptials with him Put it on put it on the pole, please at LeBataardShow. Have you ever sent out an invite just to get a gift? Oh yeah. Yes or no. It can't be no. That's gotta be an 8416. Yep, yep.

I'm doing it with my son's bar mitzvah in a couple months. 100%. Dan, now. Is Zazzlow invited to your... Come on here. To your father's birthday? Is Zazzlow invited to that? Honestly, he hadn't come up because he's like,

fill in so he's not here as often. I mean, it might be like that is. No, that's true, but it doesn't matter. Fill in's on air, right? No, I think you came up with a, like, you make a good point. David, let me ask you something. If Greg Cody, direct quote, if Greg Cody says, screw it, everyone who is on air is invited,

do you think I'm invited? No, because he didn't mean all the guests that appear. He's talking about the core people. Take a look behind you at all those great tiles. Are you anywhere on those tiles? Wow. This is awkward. He's pulling tile rank.

I don't think so. Is Samson on one of the tiles? No. He's not on the tiles either. No, but a bunch of discontinued shows are. I saw Louis CK. I saw the documentary. I thought it could have been better.

I didn't feel like they talked to enough people. I wanted them to talk to more of a range of people. But I did think it was a well-done documentary. I think that the story is incredible, and I think what Mike Schur said, and I'm in no way trying to blow smoke up his keister, he had a line at the end where he talked about how the line keeps moving

and how difficult it is to make decisions about who you work with. It's the art artist talk that Mike Ryan and I spoke about so many times from COVID on till today, it is to make decisions about who you work with. It's the art artist talk that Mike Ryan and I spoke about so many times from COVID on till today. And he had a very interesting point about Louis CK and the documentary talks about what he did, which the story is just unbelievable.

It's not as crazy as Harvey, but it's right up there. Really? And because I never viewed Louis CK in the light and having the power that Harvey had, but he did some just sick, disgusting, ridiculous stuff. And then he doubled down on it when he made his return only eight or nine months after being canceled by saying, Hey, that's my thing. I do that thing. And my view when I was watching is, well, wait a minute, you're not allowed to do that thing. We can all do a bunch of things. You can have your own thing, but your thing better not interrupt or be offensive to other people's ability to function or live or ruin their lives. And his thing did that. And that bothers me.

But if you're trying to just salvage your career, isn't, I thought that if anyone was equipped to sort of try and figure out how to manage however it is that you manage the public space of trying to get back in the game cleverly that he could do it and I didn't think he did it particularly well by just dismissing it as his kink when it when it affects other people and you sort of need consent if you're gonna be you know masturbating in front of people without and you have of need consent if you're gonna be, you know, masturbating in front of people without, and you have the power over them like that. And what struck me, what Dave Chappelle did,

and obviously he likes to touch the third rail from time to time, but for him, the way he did the victim blaming, saying just hang up the phone if you don't like what somebody's saying, just walk out of the room. So many comedians came to Louis CK's defense during this occurrence. It just made me crazy that how can anyone actually think that way? Because comedy is when you tell the truth

and when you make people laugh or think about things they otherwise wouldn't think of and then they say, wow, that's funny. That makes sense. There is no world where it's funny to call someone on the phone and start yurking your yurk. It's just, it's funny to call someone on the phone and start yurking your yurk. It's just, it's hard to imagine. What is it that you found interesting about it? Well done, poorly done? Would you recommend it?

The documentary? I would, I would recommend it if you're not, if you haven't read the articles, I didn't know enough about the story. So for documentaries, my criteria is that did I learn something that I didn't know? Could it have been presented better with more guests with more interviews Of course But I just learned a lot more and then did some more reading after and that to me makes a documentary worthwhile so I would suggest watching it and

It will inform you as you decide about artists versus art and that's a subject that really comes up a lot these days I feel a bit flimsy in lobbing the criticism that I wish they had talked to more people because what becomes evident in both that documentary and the one on Spacey is you're already a victim and then once you start talking about it, it happened with Weinstein as well. Once you start talking about it, you become all the more of a victim because of the way you end up getting attacked. I know that people know that in theory, to watch human beings under the duress of it, when they become defined by this thing Louis C.K. did to them without their consent, when

it becomes something that becomes a stain on who their identity is, and then on top of that they get attacked because people really like Louis C.K. and they don't want to believe some of this stuff. When victims become all the more victims is one of the things that I get most uncomfortable around this. The lack of support from people who don't even have a dog in the actual intimacy of what it is that's happening, but they have a fandom here and so they and God knows what else men have when it comes to loneliness and hang-ups with women that makes them attack women when they've already been victims. And I also

found it tough to watch that the women who were the victims they were painted as though their lives were not good anymore, that their careers were ended and that may be true and that's part of the story, but we put it in a way that Louis C.K. comes out like, hey, everything's great. I'm rich, getting richer, still good. Everyone loves me. And these women who had the really the guts to go forward

to the New York Times and then to again relive it in this documentary, they're painted in a way and it was filmed in places that made it feel as though that they had not in any way been allowed to recover Not withstanding even the documentary before the documentary and that's sad too No had their lives ruined by this like had their lives Have their had their lives ruined by being Louis CK adjacent That's what happened to the and I give credit to Mike sure as well for him to relive

That's what happened to the. And I give credit to Mike Schur as well for him to relive his decision-making process with Parks and Rec and having to examine the decisions that he makes as someone who is in charge of fame. That's when you're a great writer and producer, you are a star maker and you've gotta be careful which star you make and sometimes you're gonna get it wrong and his desire to go back on film,

because I hadn't really seen him in a documentary before to go back on film and discuss this I thought was a brave choice well because he felt like he was part of the problem because it was an open secret everyone knew it and no one did anything about it everyone knew it and expected someone else to do something about it on the spacey documentary uh Samson one of the things that i thought was most interesting because they had uh... on camera just a straight marine who had some difficulty getting on camera to talk about the spacey stuff because of other marines were telling this marine who had been uh... subject to assault from spacey they were saying i would have done this i would have done that he's like no you wouldn't have you wouldn't have done any of what it is

that you say you would have done and then he had to leave the interview and and he was cursing himself because of how powerless he felt in the face of being subject to someone else's power and not not feeling like he could do anything if you watch a documentary if this guy didn't say anything in that spot you you can't really armchair quarterback that one i thought it was super interesting the way all of that was framed they take a marine who is uh... you know he's even sitting in a way that says to you i'm on the cusp of green

beret masculinity however it is that you define masculinity and that guy was having all sorts of trouble and felt the need to talk about how powerless he felt and had to walk off of camera and start cursing himself because he couldn't keep under control how it is that he felt powerless in the face of tiny kevin spacey i had to tell you i i like i don't want to watch either of these films. It makes me feel so awful just hearing you talk about it. Like it's so morbid. I'm sure it's really well done. I, I don't want to sit there and watch this. And then I want to sit in a corner and, uh, you know,

in a ball and just cry. I don't want to watch either of these films. I didn't continue watching it because I, I, I asked myself at a certain point, like why am I, why am I, why am I didn't continue watching it because I asked myself at a certain point, like why am I, why am I gonna continue watching this? Cause I kind of know Spacey's side of things and now I'm just kind of rubbernecking someone else's assault, which I felt bad about, but I thought about it today because it's the 26th anniversary of Saving Private Ryan. Now Kevin Spacey says, there's an allegation

from this individual that Kevin Spacey was pleasuring himself when they went to the movie theaters to watch Saving Private Ryan during that scene, which is kind of a Mandela effect because it's not the opening scene, but it's kind of considered the opening scene. And Spacey's defense was, I've never seen Saving Private Ryan. I don't think that ostrich head in the sand defense is one that we should use here as as. I think that just because you don't want something to exist, you can't turn away and make it not exist.

I think it's important for these stories to be told. And the documentary you're talking about is Spacey Unmasked, and it got a lot of criticism. And Kevin Spacey has been on PR 101 as he's been fighting that documentary and trying to get his life back, claiming poverty and that he wants another chance and that he was never convicted and he was actually acquitted in England and it is worth watching because it will just broaden your horizons. Well, I don't feel like it's head in the sand as if, you know, hear no evil, see no evil. I know these stories.

I watched the news. I know what went on with Louis C.K. I know what went on with Kevin Spacey, but here by watching these films It's like here, you know how terrible was you know These are bad people find out more morbid details and feel even worse like isn't that what that's what he's had to have watched Saving Private Ryan everyone's seen it Thank you David Samson for being on with us. I can't believe the idea of pleasuring yourself to saving private Ryan What you're saying is not unique you are not alone and not wanting more information about this

I do wonder though the murder podcast industry is doing great So it seems like some people want more information on the morbid stuff Hey, it's Mike Ryan. How do you like to grill your barbecue? Tell me. I'll be quiet. I'll stand back. I'll listen for approximately two and a half seconds. Wow. A lot of great suggestions in there. Let me give you a suggestion. I need everybody in the audience to pair their barbecue with Miller Lite. I've been doing a lot of travel lately and I really reveled in the fact that I got to stay home with my family. It was hot out, it was a perfect day for the pool, and what goes good with that? Miller time, of course, you know

that's what I was getting at. I don't like debates, and that's why I go with Miller Lite, because it's got undebatable quality. It tastes as great as your barbecue. It's a beer that strips everything away that you don't need and holds on to what matters most. It's the light beer with the most taste, less filling, at only 96 calories that is perfect for when you're eating some barbecue outside with your family. With a Miller Lite in your hand, grilling doesn't just taste great, it tastes like Miller time. To get Miller Lite delivered right to your door, visit MillerLite.com slash Dan, or you

can find it pretty much anywhere that sells beer. Celebrate responsibly Miller Brewing Company Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 96 calories per 12 ounces Don LeBataard we got a free knee hard away I was trying to read fast you do is on the team Jackson Bobby Jones the matrix on Marion two guts So shacks much Parker Chris Quinn Zo, Shaq, Smush Parker, Chris Quinn, D Wade, Jason Williams, they're all right. I mean stacked roster. This is the Don LeBathard Show with the Stugats. Tony, you are in the midst of graduating from a selfish toddler of a child into a dark my wife

an adult who who raises a child you know how someone else is undercutting Tony you know how you've changed Billy since you've become a dad you've become somebody even though you brag about your BMI index you become you become a dad just be at my BMI index of your my bad dad. Just BMI, BMI index if you're a dad. My bad, I'm sorry, it's like ATM machine. That's my fault. I'll put my BMI against anyone in this room. But Tony, you are now on the precipice

of becoming a father and making dad purchases? Are you doing? Dan, I'm glad you brought that up. I am five months away from becoming a dad to a baby girl, which is crazy just to say, like it's, I'm just in shock, but I made my first dad purchase over the weekend and I am glad to report to the boys and the dads in this room. The boy bought a grill. My first dad purchase. I bought a grill. Yep. It's not a preparation for a baby though. I didn't say, first off, I didn't say it was,

I didn't say it was a preparation for a baby purchase. No, I got the impression you were giving us a baby purchase. Yeah, I thought you were like, oh, I found a stroller. I've been looking at car seats. You bought a grill? Yeah, I bought a grill. Since the dawn of mankind, man has debated what is the best way to grill.

Exactly right. Some go charcoal, some go propane. Propane. Some people just celebrate a Wednesday, but even to Texas style. No matter what you do, just make sure there's a Miller Lite in your hand. Trust me, there will be many Miller Lights.

I got a Blackstone. You guys heard of the Blackstone before? It's a flat top griddle. That's like a hibachi grill, but you can do a bunch of stuff on it. But it's not a dad purchase. Yes, Billy, Anything I purchase. That has nothing to do with your wife being pregnant.

You could just have bought this beforehand. Anything I purchase is a dad purchase. Did you live in a condo? I did, but I'm moving. All right, congratulations on that. Cause that's weird to have on your balcony. Oh, you moved? A bocce grill.

Correct. Those things are awesome, but the upkeep on those, you gotta like clean those things. Cause you gotta deal with rust. He's talking about kids. No, I'm talking about his blackstone. The blackstone. It's like a cast iron grill. A lot of upkeep. You gotta like oil those things because you got to deal with rust. He's talking about kids. I'm talking about his black stone. The black stone. It's like a cast iron grill.

A lot of upkeep. You gotta like oil that thing down afterwards so it doesn't get all rusty. Hell yeah. I do love those things but it's a lot of work. It's gonna show me, you know, in the future of how to take care of a kid. Taking care of the black stone. Gotta clean it. Gotta do the right thing to it.

Equivalent. I'll have to clean the grill more honestly. Similar. You don't have to watch kids that much. I'm at a real loss here. I didn't realize there was a debate between propane and charcoal. I thought charcoal was the correct way to grill.

Nah, I got propane, but people, like dudes who like to grill a lot, they give me the side eye because I have propane. Well, but I thought- Yeah, I think, I'm afraid of propane. I think the important thing- I had a neighbor years ago where all of a sudden you just heard a big boom and it was their propane. I had a neighbor years ago where all of a sudden

you just heard a big boom and it was their propane tank like exploding. Listen, I think we can all agree on whether it's propane or charcoal, whatever, Miller Lite is the perfect beer. For a light beer that tastes as good as your barbecue. That's what everybody's been saying. Make your barbecue time a Miller time. I do want to just, you say it's been an age old debate

since the invention of the grill. I was under the impression that it's always better to grill with charcoal, that charcoal was the way. It just takes forever, it gets super hot. Hey, don't use it, it's too hot now. You gotta let it come down a little. Tony's a dad now. What's the best way to barbecue?

What's the best way to barbecue? I got a Blackstone, yeah. So I don't need to worry about charcoal. I got the flat top grill I got the propane and let that thing go. I gotta be honest who cares about charcoal and propane You're telling me you could pass the Pepsi challenge you make a hamburger on each of them You're gonna know which is which no way. I mean you could with the absolutely certainly with a bachi with the charcoal You taste like the smoke Smash burger on a bachi grill though you put the little onions on them.

I think I can pass the Pepsi challenge. It's kind of snobbish. I believe that you guys are unfamiliar with how fulfillment works, where if things take longer, sometimes you appreciate them more because they are better made because they have taken longer. I eat everything out of the fridge cold, because I can't wait for it in the microwave.

I eat it cold right out of the fridge. Because the microwave takes too much time. Yes, it is. I need to have it right away. The microwave, you're- I can't wait. What does big microwave have to say about that criticism? I can't wait.

I'll take it right out of the fridge. I eat it right out of the Tupperware. I eat it cold. Like what? Certainly pasta. Any kind of pasta. Yup, love it cold. Obviously pizza for sure. Cold pizza works.

I'll take chicken parm right out of the fridge. I'll eat it cold. I don't care. I don't have time for that microwave. I don't have time. Put it on the pole please. Do you prefer your pasta cold? Lasagna for sure. Lasagna cold is awesome. Pizza cold is awesome. You prefer it this way?, yeah, you're out meats

What I just told you like chicken parm. I'll eat chicken I'll eat the chicken chicken breast just cold just like no no chicken parm. No. I know you eat only chicken parm You don't eat any other chicken ever. Oh, yeah, no no if it's like grilled chicken. I'm not gonna eat that cold That's a little bit gross the next day But but a hamburger? I'll take a hamburger right out of the fridge cold. Like I barbecued it on my propane gas tank the day before. I'll take it out of the fridge. I'll even throw it on a bun. I'll eat it cold. I don't care. I think you're really wrong when you think you can't tell the difference in taste between a propane burger and a

charcoal burger. I think you've got this really wrong. I agree. And also another thing that is usually up for debate is where's the best place that I can get my tickets and let me tell you something that is now un-debatable. That's how I see it because I downloaded the game time app. I created an account and I used the code Dan and I got $20 off my first purchase. That applies to you. Use code Dan you get $20 off your first purchase if you want any hot ticket, it's summer concert season. Zach Brian was just in town. I know a lot of people wanted to go to that.

It was a sold out show. Guess what? You can go to Game Time, use that promo code. Damn, when you create an account, get $20 off, you get to see what your seat looks like. You get the lowest price guarantee. Game Time will match that price that you find somewhere else. If you can find a lower one, 110%.

110%. That's the type of effort that I like to see for my secondary ticket marketplace last minute tickets lowest price guaranteed that is promo code D a n. So I've heard a lot of the guys here talk about securing the perimeter that's been something that's been brought up in my dad class where you got to make sure that the perimeter is secure. Every night just go out back check out. This is when I learned that Chris, Billy, and Mike were all getting to a different age

in responsibility when they started wandering around their lawn at night securing the perimeter of their house. Like making sure you're safe? Yeah, I secured it yesterday. Pool guy. What? Left the gate open. I got a dog that's celebrating her 12-year birthday today.

God bless you, Roma. You've let so much light into my life. But I almost lost her yesterday. But thank heavens I secured that perimeter. So with securing the perimeter, obviously we're moving into a new house. We're moving from a condo to a house. So now I have more responsibilities. There's a sliding glass door. There's a front door. There's a lot of doors, Dan. I got to make sure that all of them secured. So I bought specific locks, new locks for the for the doors another dad purchase he got that piece of wood for the sliding glass door what he got yeah it's actually a metal steel pole perfection like they've never been able to top it I still like they can provide

third locks for it I'm still putting that wood plank down I couldn't you get into that back door? You had the pole. Had the steel pole. I couldn't do it. Put it on the pole at LeBittard show is a grill a dad purchase because it seems to be something that is a food purchase. What does my kid need in a couple of months? How about this? An adult. If you feed your kid a couple months hamburgers,

the child should be taken away from you. It's an adult purchase. You're gonna grill a steak and give it to your infant? Eventually. We're gonna have Pete Rose on here eventually at some point. Charlie Hussle. Also, I think we found the kid driving the boat and we're gonna ask him if he was going back to save

or getting away. That's the question. We're efforting, 11-15, Matt Sullivan has found him, we think. Okay, so the capsized boat, the boat that was capsized by a whale, and we accused that kid of fleeing the premises immediately. We have secured the kid who discovered this,

and we're gonna find out whether he was circling back around to help the capsized boat, or whether he was just getting out of there because the whales were attacking. Now, we're gonna get a hold of that kid Pete Rose though I was also told Bill Lawrence was supposed to show up at some point today and he was gonna bring an actor Roy informed me of this what Roy Roy out of nowhere said that Bill Lawrence was coming and I've said an actor and he's like yeah maybe Vince Vaughn because they're the bad monkey is coming out on

Apple Vince Vaughn may may show up This is what broke the studio or just like in the zoom they know in studio that bill Lawrence was around I'll text Roy wait Vince Vaughn is coming Vanya. I'll text bill if you want to Saint I Saw for the first time anchorman to I had never seen Anchorman 2. The way that that news fight scene escalates in Anchorman 2 is that's the most star power I've ever seen on a movie screen at one time. It is pretty crazy. I'm watching them in succession now because I'm enjoying my experience with Anchorman so much. It'd been a good decade since I'd seen it. It

was 20 years ahead of its time, making fun of the news and everything. Yeah, I mean, some of it you're like, okay, well, that's not as funny. Comedy is so difficult to age with grace, but you know, like the timing of it, pitch perfect performances are great, and I'm excited to see Anchorman 2 to see

if I come out on the other side because it was such a difficult act to follow that most people kind of had the same opinion of Anchorman too, is that it's not as good, but I wonder if that aged well. The way that Ace Ventura when nature calls aged because no one liked it when it came out and now you watch it, that's the funniest one. Did anyone give them a window on what time to get here? Because like it's very us for Vince Vaughn to show up here at 2.15 and no one's here. It was very strange for Roy to say out of nowhere that this was what was happening with our guest list. It's not something that look I've been told that Pete Rose was going to be here for like four

different shows so I don't know if any of this is actually going to happen but Pete Rose is supposed to happen today. How do you feel about an 83 year old Pete Rose joining us? The hit king, Charlie Hussle. Well, I hope he doesn't take this the wrong way, but now I can't take my mind off of the fact that Vince Vaughn might be here. Like you've really put Pete Rose behind it. This ends with him on the hockey show, right?

Bill Lawrence, Vince Vaughn, and the boat kid, I mean, Pete Rose. Will Vince Vaughn need any prep for questions for Pete Rose? Like Vince Vaughn may accidentally crash because Miami, and then he's going to be talking to like a local Miami comptroller about corruption. Foot girls. Can, uh, can I ask, uh, all of you guys, uh, about whether or not you're interested in what some people are saying is going to be the movie event

must be the movie event of the summer you're combining Deadpool and Wolverine I have told you before that the Guardians of the Galaxy and Deadpool are the first times that I've been interested in this kind of movie because of how extraordinary I think the writing is for the Deadpool character and Guardians of the Galaxy. Wolverine is bringing a combining these two elements isn't something I would have thought to do but this week that movie opens and it opens with a great deal of expectation. And hope. Hope. I think most people are kind of like me in that there's Marvel fatigue. These movies are not as good as

it was as they once were and I think a lot of that is can be explained We're outside the spoiler region and that a lot of the characters that you've grown to love are no longer a part of the universe So it's gonna be curious to see how Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman kind of saved this whole concept because it is in desperate need Of saving I'm very excited. I got my tickets already. I bought my tickets a couple weeks ago I'm going tomorrow. I have to see it as soon as it comes out I can't wait does anyone else here though think it's an unusual pairing the way that I think it's an unusual pairing like No, they've been trying to story. It's a story the whole franchise. It's canon within the comic book in fact Deadpool This is not the first time Deadpool Wolverine have been in a movie together Ryan Reynolds had a failed attempt

What is considered a failed attempt in a poorly reviewed solo. That's not a good movie. No, it's a bad one. But they've been flirting with this concept of bringing the characters together for a long time. And it was thought that after Hugh Jackman retired the character with Logan, which was well received, which is a rarity for a Fox Marvel movie, that we'd never see this.

But then the multiverse thing happened and it opened up this possibility to which this Wolverine that you're seeing portrayed by Hugh Jackman isn't the one from that whole universe. Oh, you know that for sure? Well yeah, because in the trailer they're like, this Wolverine let down his whole world. Okay, alright. So, we'll see. They need, this is an acknowledgement that it needs fixing.

It's also putting a ribbon on the whole Fox Marvel movies that don't actually mesh with the MCU. And there's a lot of breaking the fourth wall in one of the trailers. There's a dead enlarged skeleton of Ant-Man and Ryan Reynolds says, wow, Paul Rudd finally aged. So there's a lot of things that are gonna be unique to the Disney

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If you're going to go on a trail, don't go by yourself! Stugats! Put it on the poll. Is it the whitest person thing ever? I believe is what you called it. Going into the woods by yourself is going into the woods by yourself. I can't disagree with that. I mean, so so black people don't camp.

Yeah, black people don't hike. They don't camp. They don't go out into the woods. This is the Don LeVatar Show with the Stugarts. Before we get to not Vince Vaughn and not Bill Lawrence, but the captain of a nearby boat on a video that we showed of a whale knocking another boat out of the water that captain will join us in about 10 minutes before we do that though because we have this collection of people here today Zaslow an old-timey sports radio host Tony whose father invented old-timey sports radio. Stu Gotts right now isn't here

with us because his love of sports radio is so large that he misses what WFAN does. I wanted to have a conversation with you guys about what happened and has happened most recently with the disappearance of Max Kellerman. Max Kellerman, who has vanished as the sports media debate ecosystem has shaken enough that Zaslow pointed at his television up here earlier and just said that that guy when pointing at skip bayless and watching you know the fifty thousand people left of whatever that following is Right before football season skip bayless is going to be gone

Max Kellerman at the center of those wars was collateral damage on something and if you were watching what was happening with us at the espn they tried to kill max kellerman after we left by giving him the morning sports radio show and the reason i bring you into this as well is because i'd believe the espn strategy of uh... figuring out that most people are disposable including they're saying Stephen A. Smith when Burt Magnus talks about well, we'll go on without Stephen A. Smith publicly You are the beneficiary of what it is has changed at ESPN

Where they've realized they can get person who is a professional radio host and they don't have to give person who is a professional radio host and they don't have to give the max keller man's of the world the morning radio slot max keller man was a prodigy in this business max keller man is exhibit a on how you have to be careful about how disposable the pieces can be because before around the horn he hosted i'm axon e s p n before p t i he hosted IMAX on ESPN before PTI he hosted IMAX and the way he

got replaced was I'm more valuable than this and they said no you're not Tony Reali was an intern on pardon the interruption they went physically down a hallway got the guy who happened to be there and he's hosted that show for 20 years since yeah he hosted around the horn you said IMAX which is where he went to when he went on Fox Sports Net. Forgive me, yes, you're correct. That the original incarnation of Around the Horn was with Max Kellerman as host,

he thought he was more valuable than that, he was a prodigy, he was a prodigy in sports television and sports radio. Greatest hoarder since Martin Luther King, right? According to him, yes. And he has, I will tell this story, I don't think, well, I don't think you guys know this story either. I can give you an answer on what's happened to him, by the way. I have an answer, and I know what's

happened to him, because it's what they tried to do to us. I don't believe when we were negotiating at the end with ESPN over our intellectual property, I don't believe they know that the amount of value that they were giving us in those negotiations when i was in those negotiations i was coming to realize all they don't know that this these feeds are this valuable but the most scared i was during those negotiations was when they were suggesting doing dot oswalt they did do the max kellerman which is just will pay you for the end of the contract. You can get the money and not have to

work, but we're going to put you on the shelf for 18 months. And then you can see after the pandemic, how all of that goes as you try to reinvent it after 18 months. That's a long time. Kellerman, after being on everything ESPN was doing, Kellerman has disappeared. Kellerman, after being on everything ESPN was doing, Kellerman has disappeared. Kellerman a friend. Kellerman whose talents I value and I don't know how many people have noticed. Well they're hoping not many because that's the whole intention behind that stuff. It's also depending on, I don't think Max

is like this, but depending on the character of the individual, sweet! Amazing! I don't have to really do anything. No, Max is like this, but depending on the character of the individual, sweet, amazing. I don't have to really do anything. No, Max is like that. Because they were trying to kill him, Max is relieved from not having to avoid being killed anymore. Because the schedule he was keeping, 6 a.m. to 10 a.m. and then a show at 2 p.m. as well on television?

Impossible. Yeah, there are worse situations at than being paid like the entirety of your contract for the term and just being asked not to work. Has something happened recently with Kellerman where you said, I found out what has happened to him recently? I only found out because Dan was like wondering aloud and I saw a clip that he should be reemerging soon

because the term is about to lapse. Gotcha, gotcha. And I was just sort of throwing in front of the audience should be reemerging soon because the term is about to lapse. Gotcha. Gotcha. And I was just sort of throwing in front of the audience the idea of here was a person unquestionably a star at ESPN. Unquestionably, I would say, a star since he was like 15 or 16 years old on New York Access television doing boxing expertise somebody who had sophisticated knowledge on a variety of different subjects and how quickly someone of even that name value in a changing industry can be replaced in the reason i bring it up to use as lose because i believe

what he has been has done in general with radio while trying to profit off of the remaining embers that there are in this economy is find a person who is a professional radio host and you don't have to go pay the person and you don't have to make them an employee just make them a contract appearance-based person and do it in a way that is maximum professional but you don't need name value we will roll through here people who are good radio hosts

I think I've gotten lucky in that regard I've been with ESPN radio for almost a year now and I I think what I think what's going on now is probably different than what was going on before where And I started doing stuff with them when they changed the lineups in the most recent lineup It feels like they hired radio people all across their day part, all across their lineups. I'm a fan of what they're doing because- It's radio people now and that's where I've been able to fit in because like I'm a radio

person and I got my shtick but I feel like I've been doing it long enough now that everyone's kind of in on the joke but I don't know if I'd have been able to do what I'm doing right now with ESPN radio if it was two years ago. I feel like they, I feel like it's in a really good place where I have gotten lucky with the time. Yeah, and I'm going to try to be careful to navigate this because you do work on ESPN, but ever since they went on that licensing deal, when we were at ESPN, we suck out, I think in large part, due to them realizing with Mike and Mike, oh, we can put two talents together that we're not really sure where they fit in.

Let's put them on radio and magic will happen. Well, those guys were unique. Those guys were ultra talented and they had a really good chemistry. What they got away from was, usually you have proving grounds locally and then you get the network gig and you have refined your chemistry through years and years.

What it became all too often, and many of our friends were stuck in this situation is, all right, well, you have this new talent deal over at ESPN. There's some language there about audio. We'll figure out what to do. And they'll just pair strangers together all too often. And they have to work out the chemistry. And that takes a really long time. Remember about the first year of our show, Dan. Like if we were in a high pressure situation on an ESPN radio marquee, I don't know if our show survives if they just put you in a room with another talent and say, hey, figure this out, and you were ultra talented. Given, I would not describe myself that way, given that... Oh, you're one of the

goats when it comes to audio, dude. Don't sell yourself short. Given, well, this is where it is that I think some of these things are interchangeable. The thing that we have that is unusual is An audience stickiness that I don't believe will go where balis goes For example the allegiances that you need the intimacy that makes sports radio something That is different. Uh, you have to be careful with that even when you're collin cowell heard somebody who's got with that even when you're Colin Cowherd somebody who's got allegiances because you need the allegiances to be so strong that you feel like you know this person and you're spending three hours a day with them and if they're

replaced by someone else you don't want someone else but the thing that I wanted to present to you guys if we've gotten stuck with what you're saying is a desirable scenario which is hey pay me for 18 months to not work. And I had to, like Anchorman, appear from the bar, disheveled, and blow into a conch shell to assemble my news team again, because all of us had gone in our different directions for 18 months, and I now had to go get Billy and Roy and Mike and Chris from whatever they were doing

over those 18 months. What other jobs do you think you guys would have gotten into because our... It would have to be unrelated. So like Longshoreman is back in play. Just hemorrhaging money in poker. Yeah. It's not like I'd pop up at Jefferson Pilot Sports. It would be the Express Language Channel. I couldn't be doing that. So maybe Super Follows, Cameos. Cameo would be back. Only fans. Billy, if I'm blowing into the conch shell,

Billy, News Team Assemble, where is it that I would have been pulling you out of? I mean, I think I'd still be working in the industry. But where? But you couldn't. Language says throughout the term. If I didn't have a contract, I could have. But yeah, yeah.

I would have just moved. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, he could have just gone. Yeah. So you would have moved out of Florida? If I had to for work. Where is the industry right now? Can the industry outside of,

I'm talking about sports radio. A lot of it resides in South Florida, given the ESPN lineup in terms of the talents that they're using. But again, it's more of a licensing. It's more of a licensing deal. The industry, Sugatsa is exploring what the industry looks like right now in a market where radio is still like strong, which is kind of like, it's always going to matter

in New York. There's such an identity tied to their local radio. It's a bit different over there, but we're all trying to figure it out. Look, we thought the industry was headed a certain place, and then we quickly learned that while we have our audio feeds, we also have to transition a little bit more and lean into video and build that out robustly. There was a strategy. We did have that offer, but we felt it imperative to continue the momentum of the show because in a free open market, it's harder to argue, hey, we're going to be a success outside of ESPN if you haven't already shown it.

And thankfully we grew our audio audience after we left ESPN and that was the bet that we made. I would have done a little this, a little that, you know, little import export. Yeah. My man. Tony was at ESPN like for a great deal after we had left. I would have just been blowing into a conch shell and Chris would have been wandering in from the Dania highlight poker tournament on a, when you put it that way, there might be some regret

because there is a certain like default type of romanticization of that. I will tell you that Kellerman is relieved to not be sprinting on a treadmill anymore. The way that he was, can you imagine? Zadzlo, we all saw Zadzlo age about 18 years and 18 months. I've slowed down the process over the last couple of years. But morning radio, wait till you see, wait till you see how the shape Stu got my hat backwards now with me when you see Stu gots come in here on

Monday he's gonna be broken from three days of not having the stamina for morning radio are we sure he's gonna be here Monday because I keep getting asked for planning purposes on like this week there't know he wasn't gonna be here this week. There is one time, and this is like if you're a fan of us, a legacy listener, you might know who Braden Guzio is. Braden Guzio told me one time he did go to Defo's house. I was thinking about him the other day. I was thinking about him too.

And I'm thinking about him right now because he told me like one time he went to Defo's apartment and there was a, his TV was a small TV, was on a racing TV channel, and it was on top of a mini fridge. And there is a multiverse version of me where that's my life, and I'm not upset with it. I don't think Depot's got any problems with that. No, Depot had it figured out. He figured it out, man.

He's at a car dealership doing trivia, saying the time. He divorced himself from every relationship and society so that he could sit in front of a television that was televising Pimlico. There are aspects of that that to people that aren't in it seem sad. But there is a large part of me that's like, dude. That looks like heaven to me. If something goes wrong with my marriage, that's gonna be me. That's gonna be me. I Fantasize about being a 97 year old with a heroin addiction who grabs the Chinese food

That's left over from the night before the honey chicken Sits in front of the third the third rate at Santa Anita. That Chris Felica told me he's got a good feeling about. Felica still around? Dude Felica he's good for those tips in the group chat. What do you mean is he's still around? No in your heaven where you're 97 Felica still around. It's not heaven if Felica's not there. What are you talking about? My heaven is much much to bear, B-A-R-E, if it doesn't have the bear in the middle of it, giving off gambling advice.

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