The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Upper Decker

Episode Date: March 27, 2024

What was the person who came up with the "upper decker" thinking? Were they crazy? Were they a genius? Then, a lengthy conversation about Caleb Williams, Jared McCain, painted nails, masculinity, Gen Z, and going against the norm. Plus, the Miami Marlins have a Gator Chili Dog, Tony has been adventurous with his meat, and we break down the Miguel Rojas vs. Jazz Chisholm Jr. beef after Rojas' first public response. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Jersey City, New Jersey, please drink responsibly. This is the Dan Lebatore Show with the StuGuts Podcast. ["The Stupids Show Theme"] That's what she said. I was responding to Louis talking in my ear. Classic. No one else got that joke other than Louis. But the audience heard the punchline,

and so this is why I invite everybody listening to the show I want you to come up with what was the setup that made me start the segment with That's what she said and go ahead and send it to at LeBatard show on Twitter on threads If you want to record a video and do it on Instagram buddy. No, it's not No, no, I got a thread on my shirt. Don't you dare? Let me know don't you dare a thread is alive and kicking out in these streets and Juju, you for sure don't you dare. The hospitality that was shown. How dare you, sir?

How dare you? But no, yeah. Anywhere on social where you find LeBretard's show, go ahead, shoot us a comment. Let us know what the setup was for me to deliver the punchline. That's what she said. I wanna talk about the Minnesotan Timan Wolves, but not about their basketball.

Did you guys talk about this on the show last week at all? Do you guys are you guys familiar? Not really where I'm going with this. I'm pretty sure they did not. OK, so for those of you, I know people follow a lot of different things. There's the show. Hey, story, that was huge and maybe took up a lot of people's time. Football is always football. People get confused by that. March Madness makes everybody mad. But the Minnesota Timberwolves had a guy who got arrested on felony charges, burglary,

because he snuck into the office of the executive VP, stole his hard hard drive and then proceeded to download thousands of files off of the hard drive, including NBA strategic information, but also the financial information of the exec. And this man was once on the, I believe, on the coaching staff as an analytics kind of aide. He got demoted last August due to poor performance. And this was his way of exacting revenge

to steal a hard drive. And so it got me thinking because I worked in a front office and I worked for people I did not like at all. But I never thought, you know what I'ma do? I'ma steal his hard drive, figure out what's on that. Have you ever been driven to want to steal in an effort for retaliation?

Not me, never, not once. Officer. If you could, but not get caught, what would you steal? Not a damn thing. If you could, we get caught What would you steal? Not a damn thing if you could we're just assuming in a world as a genie says hey man You're not gonna get caught. This is your way to get revenge on XYZ person you don't like what would you steal? I mean money I Feel like that's the easy I had to steal a billion dollars from somebody. I don't like perfect Okay

I think like the things I see on tick-to TikTok of girls who like get revenge on their boyfriends or they steal things that are like kind Of like why would you steal that but cause small problems like they steal all the batteries out of your remotes or they steal the light bulbs From your lamps. That's what I would steal people do this Yeah, honestly kind of a brilliant way to get revenge is it yeah, because it's like no no one's gonna be like oh man She's told the light just make them feel like they're going crazy It just gives you a lot of just like really annoying Can be like inconveniences nothing that the cops are gonna show up But things that you're ruining someone's day a little bit what happens to a good old-fashioned upper decker

You know what I mean just ruin the toilet. You know I mean go about your business Say go ahead and steal my batteries. Steal their left shoe. All their left shoes. Just make them feel like they're going insane. Upper decker, the person who came up with the upper decker. Diabolical. What a diabolical asshole.

Diabolical. Right? Like just. What's that smell? And then you look at the toilet. Toilet's empty. It looks clean, huh? Maybe just give it a flush.

Or maybe I'll go take a leak and figure it out later and you flush and then. You gotta fill the whole toilet away, right? Yeah, throw the whole damn thing out. There's no cleaning of that. I'm sure there's a way to clean it. Throw some bleach in there. No, no, no, no, no.

No, gone. Take it away. Have you ever tried to take a toilet out? I've seen it. They're so heavy. I've seen it done on HGTV. What's the hammer? You just like smacked shit out of it,

break the porcelain. I've never even heard of an upper decker. What? When he said it, I thought he was talking about like an uppercut punch for a second. Chris. That's an uppercut.

Chris, if I. That's why I was like, what, is this a weird name for an uppercut? I was like, what's an upper decker? And I Googled it. I was sitting here like, wow, everyone knows but me. I feel really alone. Chris, I'm gonna be real with you right now.

If we took headshots of everybody in this room right now, put it on the internet, erased names, put it on a side of the internet, I've never heard of any of us, and said, of all these people, who do you think would be most responsible for an upper decker? And I've never heard of it.

What are you pointing at? What is it? I just don't even know. The act of shitting into the tank of a toilet done as a prank. So you know what the tank where the water is, that's where the water comes when you flush your toilet? Yeah.

People take a dump in that part. So then when you flush, instead of water coming out, Oh shit. It's water that's been soaking up. I have never heard of that, that's crazy. Loads of dung. Like a tea bag. It does sound like something I would have done. Loads of dung is the scientific

term also. I just, oh man, like who, why? How, how mad was that guy by the way? Was he mad or was it, or was he just the person who took the joke too far? My, my real Dan doesn't like this topic by the way. Right, speaking of dung, I feel like the Chicago Bears are in a prime position right now to have their future look bright.

Like, if they draft Caleb Williams with the pieces they surrounded him with already, especially combined with that defense pulling it together at the latter half of the year, dare I say that's a rookie's best friend. I'm gonna say this right now about Caleb Williams. And this is something that your regular Dan ain't gonna do, but your step-Dan is gonna have a word about this. Brother, you can paint your toenails and your fingernails.

You can put on lipstick, you can do all that stuff. You better be good. Just like Joe Missoula. Like, if you do that kind of stuff, that outside the box kind of stuff you have to be amazing because the minute you mess up they are going to light you on fire fire I'm not telling anybody how to live their life you live the life you whatever makes you happy I'm just saying when you're in that position you better

be damn gonna be eccentric eccentric in that position, you better be damn good. If you're gonna be eccentric, eccentric in any way, however you define that, you gotta be good. It's the same thing that we do with Mike McDaniel, right? Like, oh, he's quirky, he's cool, he's the fun coach. And then you lose to the Bills, and then you lose to the Bills again,

and then it's like, ooh, things are not that quirky anymore, like we need to do better. Maybe go to too many heat games. It's wild that people are just discovering this. He's been doing this forever. Back when he was playing for USC, he used to play or paint Utah on his nails.

So like before the game, you would see the shot. I always thought it was cool. I don't know why people care so much. I think it's awesome. You guys gotta chill out. Everybody's gotta relax. I'm not judging what he's doing. I'm not saying awesome or terrible.

I'm just saying when you do that, you cannot go out there and get your ass rocked. But like what? Yeah, maybe you can. What is so, well, all right, Juju. We talked about it yesterday. I pretty much, I commend him for doing this. If that's what you like to do,

if you wanna paint your nails, wear lipstick, shoot, turn up, I celebrate it. I think it's cool of him to do that because that's a community that doesn't get a lot of support. So if you're gonna show support to the LGBTQ community, why not, I love it. You can also just paint your nails. Yeah, I don't think he's doing that for support.

It was how he, did you see the video? He had, he painted his nails, he had lipstick on as well with the pink phone, he was doing a little, I think it was cool as hell. I'll be honest with you, dude, I don't think it was an LGBTQ thing, I think it was cool as hell. I'll be honest with you, Juju. I don't think it was an LGBTQ thing. I think he was like, I'm going to a women's game. Let me do some stuff.

No, I don't either. He does this all the time. Like he did this, he did this at USC all the time. He's always been doing it. I think the way that we're breaking it down is slightly like, I don't wanna say problematic, but the way that we're making this as if it's not like a normal masculine thing for him to do.

If he gets sacked five times because he held the ball too long and throws three of 13 in a game. Yeah, the worst people on the internet are gonna be shitty toward him. Who cares? That's what he was saying. That's all he was saying.

He's just saying the comments and the commentary for a rookie quarterback. Something like Trevor Lawrence. Because like the long hair. Like people did the same shit. I just think that I get completely what you're saying. I get completely what you're saying about it being out there. I just don't know that this is that far out there.

Especially in Gen Z, man. This is not out there. I'm just saying, if you're gonna do that, you better be nice as fuck. He won the Heisman's. Hey, it's Mike. And first off, let me thank you. A lot of people have hit me up privately, curious about my fishtail palms, and I just

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Don LeBattard amino acid Stu gots amino acid. This is the down LeBattar show with the Stu gots Along the lines of you better be nice as you know what. The kid from Duke. My man, Jared McCain. Who does a lot of TikTok stuff. A lot of TikTok stuff. And I'm not talking about like hey guys in the dorm room, in the locker room getting ready.

He does like all the trends, all the little dances, everything like that. Again, I say emphatically, whatever makes you happy, do it. As long as you don't hurt other people, do it. But understand, if you're gonna do all that, you better be nice as what? You can't, you can't. You dropped 30 points. you can't no no

what you guys keep talking about Lucy into the segment talk about Caleb Williams on the Heisman yours all about I'm not talking about that that's easy you're playing against teenagers I'm talking about when you get to the big bucks I'm talking about when you play against the big boys. You better be nice. It's not, it's kind of like what happened with Lonzo Ball, right? Even the Lonzo wasn't doing any of the talking, it was LaVar. It's like, it's cool, it's funny, it's attention, it's all that stuff. You better be nice as f**k. You can't have all of that or all of this as we're seeing on the screen.

Is this a likable Duke player? No. The most likable Duke player of all time? 100%. I love his videos. He's great. You love Justice Winslow, what are you talking about? I mean, I did love Justice Winslow.

Okay. That's different. But not while he was a Duke. Like there's a difference. Oh, you didn't like him when he was a Duke. Yeah, nobody likes anybody a Duke. Hold on. But you like this guy too.

You love me? Yeah, he's great. Just because he does TikToks. He paints his nails, he does TikToks. He's saying he's fun. So the only reason you like him when he was a Duke. Yeah, nobody likes anybody at Duke. Oh, you like this guy you love Yeah, he's great cuz he does take paint his nails. He does tick tock So the only reason you like him the only reason you like him is because he does stuff on tick-tock is cuz he's fun So if he did on likeable, yeah sure if he did on Instagram, it doesn't matter if you did on Facebook Yeah, sure. He could do it on my space if he did it on truth social. No, I wouldn't Finally we got him Boxed in yeah, that's it. I'm the woke also so Nick Harrison you loved him at Duke. I Love him now. Oh a lot of caveats here in this argument No, I just think that Jared what Jerry McCain's doing is pretty cool because it's like I think we just got a start in Britain

This is what I was trying to say in the last segment, and I feel bad because I didn't try to make it Personal in the way that you guys were describing things. You're right, people will go after Caleb Williams. You guys are entirely right. And by the way, both of you were being supportive. This was not a gripe against him from either of you. This was just a conversation about, this is the norm now. Gen Z does not give a shit about our sort of standards.

And painting your nails and like, it doesn't make a difference. I'm gonna tell you, there's a couple, because you said the worst parts of the internet, and I said, yes, them, but also not just them. Not just them. Because the reality is, Gen Z is not the biggest consumer of sports.

Right, but this is how, so like, this is the evolution of sports, right? Is getting people to care about the athletes. And so Jared McCain, who now has, you know, what, a million followers on TikTok or whatever he does, that's how you get people interested in the games that he's playing. Sure, sure.

Right, that's how you get Gen Z. That's how, absolutely, that's the onboarding if he lasts long enough for the onboarding to complete. Because in the meantime, it's like walking into a room, right, like a room is a party. There's a bunch of people in there. You walk in the room and like, I'm the different guy. Now, I'm the different guy who's gonna bring in

a bunch of people with me. But when I first walk in that room, it's the people who are already there. And the people who are already there, like I said, they will tolerate it, most of them. Like the shit birds, the shit birds are going to do the shit birdy thing. But the majority of the people in that room are gonna be

like, I'll tolerate it if you're nice as fuck. Sorry to give you extra work. But I have to emphasize that part. Because that's the vibe, right? And so when you come in, and again, it doesn't matter what it is, whether I do TikTok dances, I wear lipstick and have, what's his name? A pink cell phone.

Yeah, or I- Nails painted over. I contest player shots in timeouts, whatever that- Tickly, I listen to Kodak Black. Bruh, at the end of the day, we're not talking about the perception of many. We're talking about the guys. I sat there and watched the Atlanta Falcons say,

we do not want Lamar Jackson last year because of how he, just whatever the motivation for that was, we're not talking about Generation Z. Generation Z is not signing the checks. We're talking about the people who are going to be hiring these young players and their opinions ultimately matter the most because they are a clique of people who can tell each other, we ain't signing them, don't you sign them. So that's the angle I'm coming from.

Of course we support these brothers and sisters, these young people. Why not? Look, we support them to the end of the earth. When it comes to the TikTok Gen Z generation, Juju makes a great point. I think what we're like, this is already sort of becoming the norm in the sense of like, Grady Dick was huge on TikTok

and we loved all his videos and they were all funny. And so it's just gonna become something you're used to seeing. Like you'd be hard to find, like I get the Arizona men's basketball team TikToks all the time. Like it's just gonna become the normal thing. Like I think I like seeing them because it always reminds me like,

Oh my God, these are kids. Like they're very young. And that's just going to become the normal and 10 years, it's not going to be a really big deal that people are making tick tocks and then, you know, being a professional athlete. It's the norm for the players, but yet the generation, Gen Z is not going to go into ownership, right? It's the next generation. Not with any attitude, Nobody can afford a house. Even more so owning a sports team.

But the point is, as the generation, whatever boomer generation that is, the next generation picks it up and picks it up. Gen Z has like 50, 60 years until they get into those positions. But with player empowerment the way that it is and individuality being so emphasized within all of these sports,

and we could talk about Jazz Chisholm Jr. too and the way that he's talked about the MLB clubhouse. Like, Gen Z is being embraced. They have to be embraced. They're the labor. But Jeremy, they're embraced when they're nice as getting ready, nice as f***, right? And so this isn't even new.

Dennis Rodman was out here with eyeshadow and wearing a dress. But you know why everyone was like, that's just Dennis, because he was nice as fuck at what he did. 20 boards a night. Right, like it was unassailable. And the best defensive big, you know, in terms of at the power forward position in the NBA, and clearly a huge part of success for the teams

that he played. He never played for bad teams because he was a guy that helped winning. You can played for bad teams because he was a guy that helped winning. You can do eccentric, you can do outside the box, you can even make outside the box, inside the box if you're nice enough. But if you're not, if you're just another dude,

they will eat you alive and spit you out and won't think twice about it. And that's, like it's all contingent on your ability to produce until it becomes a norm. Allen Iverson is a great example of this, right? Allen Iverson was outside, as outside the box as you can get. Tattoos, braids, like,

trying to put out a rap single in the middle of his career, traveling around with a big on to rock site he did things that commissioner stern was bouncing off the walls if alan iverson were eric snow he'd be out of the league bought his talent his talent allowed him to continue

and not only that as he continues what happens he influences There everyone else now everyone else is starting to get their hair braided now everybody else more visible tattoos guys used to get tattoos Like on their stomach and on their back places that you couldn't see it now you see guys with sleeves Now you see guys with the compression sleeve and the fashion and so he molded the culture But if Allen Iverson were just a good player Dog none of that shit would have happened. And so that's what I say about Caleb Williams That's what I say about the young man from Duke whose name escapes me Jared McCain like it's cool You better be nice

Because if you're just good They like juju said the people that sign the checks. They don't get you up out of here. Do you think that? better be nice, because if you're just good, like Juju said, the people that sign the checks, they gonna get you up outta here. Do you think that being sort of eccentric as long as it doesn't affect the locker room and eccentricity, like, I think the thing that Lucy and I were sort of agreeing on here is that maybe it's just through the Gen Z lens,

but like painting your fingernails Pink or having a pink phone case or throwing on a little lip gloss whatever like that's not eccentric amongst each other Yeah And so if it doesn't interrupt what's going on in the locker room and you're not an issue off the court or off the field Then what is the real problem if it doesn't affect sort of your behavior around ownership or things like that, it's just hey, I'm blending in with my generation, then how is this really an issue for anyone? I would say again, it's not about whether it is an issue,

it's about whether it's perceived as an issue, right? Right, of course. So yes, my 27, 25, you know, even my 31 year old teammate doesn't see anything untoward about it. My coach, maybe, but again, all of it is absolved. If you're nice, you do whatever you want, man. Dennis Rodman went to Vegas in the middle of a championship season.

He went to Vegas, and they couldn't find him. That was the best part of the last dance.'s but like and by the way it was that wasn't like a big secret like people knew he was doing these Vegas trips in the middle of season hell James Harden in Houston was doing Bahamas trips like it's if you're good enough we will tolerate anything Mike D'Antoni used to say I'll

play Satan if he's got a jump shot meaning like you can you can be like just as outside, outside the boxes can be if you are producing. If you're producing. If you are just a regular person with the ups and downs that regular people go through, the tolerance level goes down to near zero. And to that point, right, again, it's not your teammates.

It's gonna be your coaches, management, ownership, sponsors, and then media, because most media people aren't 23, you might find an errant one here or there, but for the most part, it doesn't quite work that way. Can we do Against the Spread right here? ["Against the Spread"] That's right, it's time for Against the Spread! And it is sponsored by DraftKings. Stay tuned because you'll hear more about DraftKings It's time for Against the Spread.

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playing in Orlando, just like it. Tony, what do you got? We are going to the College Hoops, Sweet 16, and I am taking the North Carolina State Wolf Pack plus six and a half against Marquette, DJ Burns, the big dog, the smooth operator. I'm taking the Wolf Pack plus six and a half. More to come later in the show

from Tony Brackets, by the way. Anybody else? Nope. I'm standing in the association like Chris. I'm going to Memphis tonight. We got the Los Angeles Lakers versus the Grizzlies I think the Lakers got a little twinkle in their eye because after last night a lot of good momentum and the Grizzlies We all know our rebuilding salute the GG. I love you, but I'm gonna take the Lakers

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Stu Gatz Zo Shaxx Mush Parker Chris Quinn D Wade Jason Williams They're right. I mean stacked roster. This is the done libertar show with the Stu guards So, I don't know if you guys know this about me but I Am a fan of eating exotic animals like an ex I'm using exotic very loosely

But you know you tell me that we have an opportunity to consume an animal that people usually don't consume I'm there you're in you're in I'm in so obviously you don't eat pork. That's the only animal that you don't eat Yeah, I don't know in shellfish cuz I'm allergic. Okay when it comes to exotic animals, what's the one that you tried? You mean like huh, not bad. Oh a bunch More than not bad rabbit Gator Gator's good. Gator's kinda like calamari. Rabbit's a little gamey. There's a new Gator chili hot dog at

Marlins games tell me more I went yesterday to The baseball bites sort of showcase of all all the new food. Yeah, I'm gonna be at the ballpark I didn't get invited to that. Thanks again. You said you were gonna invite us last year You said you were gonna get us this year and now Last year, I was invited by the Marlins Billy was there Yeah, I was there so multiple people knew about it didn't say anything like fulins Billy was there like fuentus was there what he's not even here I probably just didn't see the

email yeah that's likely what happened nonetheless it was it was delicious there's all sorts of good new food but like the main new thing that they were throwing at everyone is Gator chili hot dog with real hunks of Gator meat inside the chili. It is delicious. I had, they were putting them out in little tiny, you know, little tiny bites. I had two or three yesterday.

Gator bites are fire. It's kind of like a mix between like calamari and chicken, the way that the meat is, but it's not like a red meat, like you would think, oh, it's like a steak. That's not like that. No, no, no, it's like, I said gator tastes like a chicken that took a swim in like some pond water Mmm, that's the best I can describe it. I every time I go to New Orleans. I have to I have to have fried gator

I have to fire little pop it every single time what I do. I open it up It's usually on the po boy and I put the hot sauce on it and I let it know you thought you was top of the food Chain, yes again, and I tough talk hot sauce on it and I let it know you thought you was top of the food chain. Yes again! And I tough talk it to let it know. It's one of my great delights. I've also had venison. Venison's good. I like deer. I had it in New York and it was excellent. And then we went to Salt Lake City. We had it together, yeah. In Utah. It was not good. Not that good. It wasn't good. I think they overcooked it, right? cuz venison is supposed to be done very medium rare almost supposed to be falling off the bone That's right. And it's supposed to be a little you know Red pink inside where you can eat it very very nicely they gave it to us as tough as a $2 steak

The show was hard as hell Hey, yo, sorry There's there's been an issue at my house Where I've been bored of eating the same beef, chicken, fish, whatever the de jour dinner is. You're in a food rut? Yeah. I hate a food rut. It's like I'm eating the same ten places over and over and over again. I'm cooking at home so it's like I can only do the same dishes so many times a week. Okay, we make turkey chili. Okay, great. Then we have, you know, picarillo or we have a steak or we have this or we have that. I'm like, I want to get out of my comfort zone of just doing the same thing. The problem is my wife is a very, she's not a picky eater,

but she's like very conservative when it comes to eating, trying to keep it fresh. Right. She's like, why don't you come out with a new menu? And I'm like, me, what do you want me to do? I throw a protein on the plate. I throw some veggies and we make it happen, right? So she knows I've eaten rattlesnake. I've had in a sausage fire in Denver. I've had it. The place in Denver had a house. Things are just great sports nation. They got us a chef from texas who came out like these are some better tailgate foods and boy he was bringing flames with him. That rattlesnake crazy good, crazy good. So

bringing flames with them that rattlesnake crazy good crazy good so stop it yeah you just stop stop it so I went to I went to a a place that does high quality meats right so I'm looking so careful you're so no because I don't want to also give a place a plug that you know they don't sponsor or whatever so I go to this place and I'm looking around and I'm like okay I put my usual stuff a little grass-fed beef here a little grass-fed beef there some some mahi some this some that and then I Run across elk and I'm like, you know what you said get in my mouth out. I didn't say that but I was like, you know what? That right there. That's something that I want. So they said elk is basically like beef to Veal where it's kind of like that. Oh, it's more

tender. It's a little tender. It's a little more tender. Okay. And if you don't know what an elk is, it's like a big ass moose. Yeah. Essentially. I didn't know. I would have guessed it would have been tougher than. No, apparently it's a little bit, you know, a little bit more rich in flavor, a little bit more tender. So I bought a bullwinkle by the way. Yeah, I'm not eating bullwinkle So I it comes out it comes out in you know a package like a ground a pound of ground beef wood So I get it I bring it home, and I call my wife. I'm like hey, babe listen I got this this this and that and um and I was this close so the elk meat was right next to and I feel like you follow me on this. I mean kang kangaroo meat. Oh, give me some skippy the kangaroo.

So I was like, dude, I told my wife Jenny, I'm like, babe, I was this close to getting ground kangaroo. So we would have had elk one night, kangaroo the other night. And then she drops a line to me that I was like, first off, what do you mean by that? She tells me, you've been very adventurous with your meat lately. Yo. Go on.

First off, what is that supposed to mean? I don't like the insinuation on that, that I've been adventurous with my meat. My meat knows where it's supposed to go. Let my boy cook. And that's it. But I want to get some milk. I want to get some kangaroo. What's wrong with that?

Would you make elk tacos or something? I haven't made it yet It's still frozen in the thing, but she's like I'm not gonna eat it I'm like I'm gonna make it and you're gonna eat it and you're not gonna know the difference. Sorry That's what I love. I love when they don't know like oh what meat is this? Ah surprise It's kangaroo It's kangaroo Jack good day you say so again, I'm just I mean I'm a Adventurous eater when it comes to different types of proteins that are around

Protein there's no even that I got Kangaroo got some rattlesnake got some gator. It does like your wife is right though. I mean you just named a bunch of Like four or five exotic meats you are getting a little wild with your meat recently adventurous No, wow, keep it respectful be respectful Chris. I mean she's not wrong though. How do you argue with what she's saying? She's not wrong. We're offended by it though. You're like what? The insinuation was that I'm out here eating roadkill. That's all I'm doing. Even though I've heard of iguana, it's like the one in some countries.

Speaking of iguanas in Miami, Rojas put out a response to jazz. Did y'all see that? We have the video for that, I believe. Okay, okay. Holy moly. So while the video team gets that ready, Juju, can you bring people up to speed

on what jazz said to create this situation? I feel like that'll be blasphemous with the expert, with the Miami Marlin expert in the building. I feel like he can give us the most nuanced take on all of this. Just give us a quick one because we got the video ready. Jeremy, are you adventurous with your meat? So Jazz Jism Jr. spoke on a podcast

about the way that some of the veteran players on the Marlins treated him when he was a rookie and coming up through the last couple of years. For context, there was a players only meeting that in 2022, when the Marlins were struggling, it was Don Mattingly's last year as manager. Miguel Rojas was the captain of the Miami Marlins, someone who had played for Don Mattingly's last year as manager. Miguel Rojas was the captain of the Miami Marlins, someone who had played for Don Mattingly for years in LA

and now into Miami. And Miggie Ro was not really playing very well that year. Jazz and some of the younger players were the guys who were playing well-ish, they were a bad team, but establishing themselves. And basically what Jazz said was that a lot of the veterans were hard on him, hard on a lot of the other young players,

namely, Jesus Sanchez, who did like the Soto Shuffle, was having fun in the batter's box. Jazz Chesim Jr. talked about a time where he specifically was taking a nap before the game, and the captain of the team did not wake him up for a meeting that was happening. And basically he was saying like, the older guys didn't really wanna help us,

they just wanted to kinda shit on us. And he never named Rojas, but everyone knew it was Rojas, and everyone was waiting to hear what's Rojas. He even said that he sucked. Like it wasn't like, he was blunt. He was like, our captain sucked. He went after him.

And so Rojas was on with Chris Rose, and he's responded to Jazz. Everybody's entitled to have their own opinion. Whatever you want to say about me as a player, you can have that opinion. But you saying that I'm a bad person when you don't even know me, that's kind of what bothers me.

I'm not expecting everybody to like me and I don't like everybody. But that doesn't mean that I can go out there and tell everybody what's happening in the clubhouse. As a professional, you have to understand that you have to respect everybody that is in that clubhouse. When you come to a place and you get to a new place,

there are people there that been there before you. There's rule in place, and someone is gonna keep you accountable. That's all the best we're trying to do. All right, so this is what I'm gonna say. It kind of sounds like he's backing up what Jazz said. Because as a young player, you don't know the rules. You don't know how to do this thing.

You have no idea. Especially, I would imagine in baseball more so than perhaps any other sport. A lot of unwritten rules. So many unwritten rules, right? And the way baseball's played literally everywhere else in the world, they don't follow a lot of those rules, right? So it would appear to me, like when you say,

how can you say that about me, you don't know me as a person? Dog, you're the vet, you're the one that's supposed to reach out, he's the young guy, you don't know. I think that's the part that was complicated about this. At the time, and the reason I brought up the players only meeting was it was sort of positioned like all right, Miguel Rojas is gonna hold

all of these guys accountable and he wanted to bring everybody together but then basically spent that entire meeting according to the reporting and some of the conversations that I've had too, basically just ripping Jazz and some of the other young guys for what they were doing. And it's tough in any locker room, in any workplace, to hold somebody accountable

when you're also not holding up your end of the performance side. So Miguel Rojas was a professional with all of us, like with the media. He was a guy who was probably given a little too much of a platform, being brought out all the time to the media as a representative of the Marlins for years.

It was all the team had though. Like there wasn't a lot. He was everything. And so as a result, Derek Jeter really empowered him as the shortstop, as a bilingual guy who could speak to the media in Miami and really be able to kind of be the face. But as he was the face and he gained all of that power

in the locker room, he was struggling to give up some of his sort of old-school ways Yeah with some of these younger players and it was there was a divide in the locker room a thing jazz spoke about is Like at the time, you know Some of the older Hispanic guys were divided from like him and some of the younger black guys are Hispanic guys in the locker room I know that Sandy Alcontra and Garrett Cooper really supported jazz Like it was a divided team, and those two guys simply just did not really like each other or Jive.

To me, like, the vets, having good vets is so important. And again, I can speak from a basketball standpoint, but you don't necessarily have to be a great player in that moment. Udonis Haslam. Right, like, UD's, the prime example. Miggie was supposed to be the Marlins' Udonis Haslem. Right, like UD's the prime example. Miggie was supposed to be the Marlins' Udonis Haslem. The issue was that he had not really established himself

as the type of player that UD had been earlier in his career. So while he's trying to preach to these younger players about what's the right thing to do and how to play the game, he had that experience, he learned from some other guys, but when you're batting like 220, it's a little difficult to be able to preach that.

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