The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Wild Thing

Episode Date: September 21, 2023

Amin Elhassan and Charlotte Wilder of Oddball are BOTH in-studio, so it's time to talk basketball. The crew discusses DeMar DeRozan's recent comments on 3-point shooting and the Damian Lillard trade stand-off. Plus, Marcellus Wiley has comments on Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman, the Kelce brothers and their Taylor Swift-linked fame continues to rise, and Chris Cote "shreds some 'tar" and shares his mac & cheese problem. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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A mean and Charlotte are doing oddball every day, supporting us, except for Mondays, oddly enough. So you will get them on the DraftKings network, on Samsung TV plus Roku, a side dish of Roku. You can get them where you get our stuff as well. A mean is here. And I want to ask him about something that Marcellus Wiley said, but before I do that, I want to ask him about something, Demard DeRosen said. DemardMar de Rosen is like a 30% or 29% shooter from three. And for a while now, people have been asking him, hey, if you can expand your game, you don't have to be the king of the mid-range.

The sport has evolved beyond the mid-range. It's an inefficient shot. And his response was, quote, I don't have to do anything. 38 people score more than me in NBA history. That's strong. Boy, he's got a lot of points. Oh, but to know the number, to know the number exactly 38 people have scored more than

me in NBA history. One of them who's ahead of you is Steph Curry, who scores from three and you're competing against him for championships and when you are the primary player or the second player on a team, it is very hard for you to win championships at least in part. I mean, because if you have DeMar de Rosen, he's going to score a ton. No one will dispute that he is a good score, but his range is limited in a game where range seems to be limitless. Yeah, I don't think that's his fault. I think the Mar-de-Rose is incredibly impactful in where he scores and he's efficient at an

inefficient shot. The shot isn't inefficient. Well, it makes it inefficient that not a lot of people are good at it. And for the same amount of quote unquote risk in terms of your likelihood of making it versus taking a step back or two steps back and shooting the three, the payoff is lower. But if you are good at it, then there's not an issue. Again, I would like to go back to three point shooting is most important to me for role players. Because the idea idea is if I'm standing on the floor,

I want the guy guarding me not to feel comfortable sagging and helping on the star player. Well, the Marga Rosen, I think, through his career is proving to be a star player. At some point, he's going to evolve and he's going to become a role player to someone else. And then it's like, Demarma needs you to space out. But at this stage of his career where he is, like he says, Nicole, only 38 people scored more points than I am. And I think he's still very, very effective in that way. His need to score through shoot threes is diminished compared to that of a role player, I would say.

The land of the three has a lot of people coming for that throne. Okay. The mid-range kingdom is very sparse. He can dominate this land. He owns this land. No one is coming for this throne. There are a lot of people coming for the three-point throne. What we have talked before, the king of the...

I almost did the whole thing without slipping. I almost did, man. The king of the mid-range game is an is an insult at the sad kingdom in today's back. I am the king. I wake up for role models. They're out of the park. That's what I was thinking of.

I wake up in the morning. Larking. I put on my cloak of sadness and I am the king of mid range sadness. I was surprised to hear Marcelus Wiley has always been somebody when he was king of mid range sadness. I was surprised to hear. Marcellus Wiley has always been somebody when he was a player, when he was a broadcaster. He's always been somebody that I've enjoyed listening to. You rarely hear.

I haven't heard anyone else say what he said about the breakup of Stephen A Smith and Max Kellerman. Stephen A has been making the rounds for a couple of years now saying, yeah, I forced Max off the show. I didn't want to do the show with him. It's not personal. I just, he's a nice man, but I don't want to do the show with somebody who wants to do a new on show.

I want to do argument television. And that's not what Max Kellerman wanted to do. And Marcellus Wiley said the following, and I just have not heard a lot of people saying this. I know, Max, I know Stephen A. Stephen A wanted Max for very specific reasons. Now, I'm going to say these reasons and everybody's going to have a reaction. He wanted Max first because he was white.

He wanted Max second because he was white. He wanted Max second because he was intelligent. He wanted Max third because Max can speak on all things. But I don't think he paid enough attention because he got slapped in the face with who Max really is. And then y'all saw the awkwardness that ensued because Max all of sudden, couldn't be who Max really was. Let me take you through it. Stephen A's first tape, the show won a Max to speak for White America. Especially when you lose Skit, Bayless, you get Max.

Now it's not just Max speak for White America, but that would allow Stephen A, you know, brother, get to speak for Black America. Now here's the problem. Stephen A, the entertainer had to meet Max Kelleman, the educator. And boy, that was a class that had a different lesson plan. Stephen A realized quickly that he was dealing with a whole different animal, especially on black issues, especially on societal issues.

He started to realize he was getting out shined in those conversations. Outshined for these reasons, and I know these reasons, because Max Kellerman is not only a historian, he has a degree in history from Columbia University, same school I went to, I believe school. But the dude is a bona fide genius, like he is next level brainiac, for real. High school test scores off the charts. Like next level dude, I'm just giving it to you like it is. And Steven A Smith has admitted many of times how he had his own learning disabilities and issues growing up. So that is no matter how much he has advanced past that and you can see the immense vocabulary, etc. and his intelligence

on display. It's an insecurity for Stephen A. Because he speaks on it as how that was in his security. That's fine. But now we got a problem because you got Max Kellerman in there who's supposed to go with the flow on these conversations or defer. He also said, because we're only playing a clip of that for you that Stephen A was threatened by Max in this regard. And there was the awkwardness on television of Terrell Owens just one time saying and Stephen A and Terrell are still going back and forth on it publicly. Max is blacker than you or some form of that. Yeah. And so what Mars, I personally, I know Marcel's and I'll Max have worked with both of them Obviously, I know Stephen A. But not as well. I work with Marcel's and Max a lot when they were on sports nation

And what Marcel's the same person was true max is a Certifiable genius not just like oh, he's really smart like Mensa testing all that stuff, right? But beyond that He's right in that what Stephen A. was looking for was a foil. Someone to intelligently argue the other side, but the other side being, I need a white guy to argue against me and has to have like intelligent enough argument to keep up with me. The problem is he got the wrong white guy because he wanted someone I think in the

vein of Skip Bayless of what's my man that used to Nick right? Not Nick right. The guy that used to eat man now I'm drawing a blank. Give me something so I can help you. The guy you said oh he's not actually that bad of a guy what you get to know him. Oh Wilkane? Wilkane.

I was wrong. I was wrong. I feel like you sent me up on that. I have no excuse for him. He did that you sent me up on that. He did that, you sent me up on that. He led you right to that, the guy that you once said isn't that bad a guy and you were totally wrong. I thought twice to just jump in like that in the name of efficiency.

I have since apologized numerous times. I also need to apologize right now accidentally trying to bail a mean out to Nick Wright. Yeah, I was like, ooh, damn. I think Nick Wright is in the same ilk as Max and that regard, right? In that maybe not. No, no, Nick's an alien. No, but. Because Nick also combines the Stephen A. element to it.

Nick's very bright, watches everything super knowledgeable, but. And is excellent on race issue. Did you know that? But he's not the skit bailess. But yeah, that's what I'm saying. No, he actually has better ratings in skit. Dun-dun-dun-s. But like, I guess what I'm saying is

they all fall in this ilk of like, hey, you want a white guy to come counter me, but actually we're the white people who are your allies on this stuff. But in the case of Max, I can articulate it better than you can. And I think that was a friction point. I wonder here as this landscape changes and Stephen Ains going to win.

He's going to beat skip. He's got the resources. He's got the backing and that show has become his and he's doing with it. Everything that he wants to do with it. Objecting to me saying that argument television keeps making everything a little bit dumber, but to me, the broadest appeal to have is just what are you shaking your head about, Mike? What a mean, didn't it?

You're so messed up. He played you perfectly. You thought he was a bumbling fool. This is how Colombo did it. Jessica's beloved Colombo. Did you just hit me with just one more thing? He really got you there, but he just he puts it out. I'll never be able to escape it even though I apologize profusely. Why are we doing this?

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in a way that's scaring me a little bit. StooGats. I've been up since 5.30am, producing content. And in terms of being able to be on, my body needs a little boost. And that's why it turns to... Okay. VCC Don LeBatars Show with this StooGats. While we were talking about Max Kellerman, the thing that this to God. While we were talking about Max Kellerman, the thing that flash

in my hand was the video that he made a music video a long time ago, a hip hop, a rap video that Max Kellerman made. You have to understand this guy was on cable access television in New York doing boxing reports. I think when he was like 14 years old, he was a prodigy and at that time he also made

a rap video around that time. Let's play that video here so that people can see it and also hear it. Like a brand-stuffin' yeah God skills, God stamina, God heal So like a champ from Panama Body drops from body Shots goes like a box No need for clocks for karate But if you want to see who the best beat Come and test me, come and test me Come and test me, come and test me

God start, I'm fucking start from it To the big bull you are in the South Bro, my flavor's good, my flavor's good Here's the city, city and number, my hero I'm y'all through, you're so nice, got name twice then I'm harassing, poms fight, my pice and And I'll break an obvious worst and pern out with a cook It's not charges, it's play skills like a museum

What you can see in the battles, what's playing Show my skin, you're a kid, hit your head with a hook In the head, don't even try it Let me do it, just my left hands, like you're mad at it It gets scary, you get scary, you got cops on every block Of the trial to rob area It's in those mock concrete, so I'm gonna rumble your mad rumble So not Wilkane.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Not skip Bayless. You had a joke when I was talking to you about this earlier. Wasn't a joke. It was not a joke. It was talking to you about this earlier. Wasn't a joke. It was not a joke. It was like when Skipper hired Jason Whitlock to run a black website. Oh, God. No.

No. It wasn't joking. That's what happened. It's like someone say, exactly. Like, I need the black perspective. Get me Jason Whitlock. This is a thing. I need like traditional middle American white values.

Get me Max Kellerman. An error in calculation, which might be the way to intro this segment. Ha! We are doing Thursday thunder and we're not only doing Thursday thunder though. Charlotte Wilder of Oddball, you can check it out every day except Monday with Amino Hassan here on the Draft Kings Network. Charlotte Wilderers now out in the street where I told her Charlotte, I'm not trying to make you uncomfortable in any way. We'll do this. However, it is you want to do it. So you're not too uncomfortable. And then I heard John Reed had a video say, she's running 50 yards, Dan. 50 yards on asphalt with a helmet on. She said earlier in the show,

it's difficult to run with a helmet on. We are about to find out together Charlotte, you're across the street, you are stretching. Are you ready? Are you ready to go and be a part of Thursday Thunder? Yes or no? Thumbs up. She is ready to go, Dan. I think she's going to run towards the microphone. Okay. Thank you. Chris, I appreciate it. We're working all the kinks out on air. She just ran. There she is. Okay. We haven't given all the other things we're talking about. Max Kellerman first is. Okay. We haven't given all the other. Things we're talking about Max Keleman first. All right. We haven't given all the other Thursday thunder picks yet. So what I'm going to have to ask you to do unfortunately is that it was a great practice run. But we're going to get into Thursday thunder. Jeremy's going to quickly deliver the first three

laughs and then you run to the microphone and you deliver the fourth laugh. Got the timing on this wrong. So we go ahead, Charlotte. I'm sorry. No, I just thought I had, you know, this is, it's perfect. I love it. Let's rock and roll. All right.

Thank you, Charlotte. Excellent timing in every regard. We've got a little bit of a lack. Go back 50 yards and we will do that again. We have been so not good at the three-way parlay's that we have now decided to do a four-way parlay. To be fair to us in regards to Charlotte, we never said go, we said, are you ready to go? And then she started running, so.

That's correct. Well Dan kind of threw a question to her and she's like, I don't have a mic, I better run towards it. Yes, that's my fault, it's fine. We'll figure out the kinks and maybe she will have to run two or three times until we get this right. Where are we going first for the first leg of the four team parlay?

We have a four leg parlay, but it's all tonight on Thursday night football as the San Francisco 49ers are a 10 and a half point favorite. Over the Giants, the first leg is taking the 49ers on the Money Line. I mean, why are we such cowards about this? We take giant favorites on the money line, the second leg of the Parley is definitely not cowardly. Christian McAfry anytime touched out. All right, so like going out on a leg. Yeah, no, that's what guys it's a four teamer. All right, they're hard to win. You want a couple of layups. All right,

it is number three. And again, the big punctuation on this is Charlotte's going to sprint to a microphone from 50 yards away, and she's going to give us the fourth leg of this parlay. George Kittle, one catch. I do recall us saying we were going to get through this quickly. The third leg of the parlay is George Kittle. But George Kittle is going to go on the field. Stop confusing people. No, stop.

Get his name. Get his name. It's going say Kiddles on the back of his uniform. I'll take that bet. That is not a bet. Jeremy Third leg. The bet is Debo Samuel over 72 and a half total yards. Russian Amber Seven, you can do that. A little more challenge. Again, that's gotta get them all.

And now we are going, that's where we usually get it wrong and then lose the bet. Kyle Shanahan will call a play. You guys, there are, there are like, qualities surrounding this. You are not helping our wonderful partners over at DraftKings that are bringing you to you

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Charlotte, you run at your speed, please, and then give us the fourth leg of this parlay when you get to the microphone. It's like she's running blind. She's holding the face, man. Good running. Well, first of all, helmet doesn't fit. I have a t-shirt stuffed into the helmet,

which is sliding down my head. The fourth leg of our Thursday Thunder Parlay is Paris Campbell for over two and a half catches. Excellent work, Charlotte. Thank you for joining Metal Arc Media. Quickly sprint back up here. Finish out the second. Thank you. I love it here.

I'd actually like to do the rest of the show with her. Please stop it, Dan. You've done enough. Never enough for you. For the love of God. Thank you, Charlotte. I appreciate all of your efforts. I mean, how is Oddball going? Because you're covering, you're rubbing it your face right now in a way that seems pained. And I just want to know if you have topics, enough basketball topics, every day, to cover.

I know Mike Ryan wants to talk about Damien Lillard, and I know Mike Ryan wants to talk about Damien Lillard and I know Mike Ryan wants to talk about how overtly Chauncey Billups, the coach of the Portland Trailblazers, tampered by recruiting and flirting. This is a scandal of our time. With how dare the Portland Trailblazers openly tampered with our Hall of Fame point guard. This was a gregis. It was caught by cameras on ESPN, the network that is known for pushing the Blazers' propaganda. At the Colorado game, Bilips was caught on camera, head coach of the Portland Trail Blazers' BT Dubbs sitting next to Kyle Lowry. Starting point card for the Miami Heat, probably not starter anymore, just starter on reputation, future all the

Famer Kyle Lowry Miami Heat member. That's tampering folks. They put them on the camera once, and no one made any mention of it. Curious decision out of ESPN. Second time Billips realized he was on camera, committing a felony in the eyes of many. Got up, got out of the camera shot, tried to protect what he was trying to do, the secrecy of his tampering.

This is awful. This is one of the worst, egregious instances of tampering I have ever seen. And the NBA needs to come down hard on the Portland Trailblazers. You are hyperbolic. I don't know. I mean, are you tired of the Lillard stuff? There has been incremental. I'm going to put news in quote marks because there hasn't been any movement. Right. This, the Miami Heat is not changing its offer. we keep hearing it's not enough of an offer, but they don't have a better offer clearly. And lately, what you've been getting out of nowhere is this mild leakage of, and the bulls and the raptors might

also be interested, but not interested enough to make a better offer and also Damien Lillard doesn't want to be there. And unless we're going to make Damien Lillard the crossroads on star player doesn't get what he wants. And he may be, I don't know, but I've seen precious little proof that he's going to be the place where the player loses the power. There has not been a better offer made, and even if a better offer were made, Lillard has made it clear. He's not going there and would ask for a trade from that place as well. Right. The Miami Heat, I will tell you, and this is the only updated information I have on this. They know this is a depreciating asset which every day that goes by. It's an expensive contract for an older player and they're insistent on our offer is our offer. It is not changing.

They won't get better. Yeah, I mean, I think the one place where Portland can search for wiggle room from Miami is, can you keep your offer the same, but just find someone else to take parts of that and get some more parts from other places to give to us. And I think that's a reasonable ask if you're the Portland Trailblazers. If you feel like, look, Tallahiro represents a glut at guard for them, along with Simon's and Sharp and Scoot Henderson,

and we just don't need another. All of that is true incidentally. All of everybody who says Portland doesn't need that, they're not wrong. Right. Yeah, exactly. So the idea is, can you find a trade partner? And that's why I said from the very beginning, put my hand up and say, when has that ever been a thing for a rebuilding team? When has that ever been a talking point? Oh, no, they have too much talent here, but they, but they kind of do because it's never been a talking point ever whenever teams do this

want to stack assets. Stacking assets is one thing, but you have to be cognizant of allowing those assets, the ability to prove or increase their value. Otherwise, what you get is you're devaluing everybody because there's not enough opportunity to go around. Now, I just think that like this is always, was always gonna be a complicated multi-team,

three plus team deal. And that's what we're looking at. But you're right. The Miami heat are like, look, every day that passes is a day on our side, not yours because you're finding less and less to get from it. Meanwhile, the more attractive pieces that Portland Trailblazer fans hope the Miami heat would throw into a package have just increased their value over over the summer with their performances. What's coming next though, you guys do understand this, right?

I'm already reading about the next being interested in Yannis. So like this is about to get that Yannis and be entering the fray here will make Lillard seem like one of the smaller planets in this universe, which would also help explain why there aren't going to be better offers out there. Zach Lowe mentioned on ESPN. Do you just want to keep their powder dry now? Let me just say right now, this whole nixie honest thing. I went off on on oddball.

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Mike Marty, shot in Heimer, Pastaway. Still gots. Why do you sound so happy? I just used to say that. Yeah, they're very exciting. That was a lot of fun. Mike Marty shot in the hammer past the way. Still got. Why do you sound so heavy? I just do say that. You're very excited. I was wrong. I was wrong, Tom.

I was not excited. I was not excited. What? I was merely pointing out that a Browns legend has to work. Hold on. That was unbelievable. I'm sure I haven't done. Hold on.

And maybe the greatest coach that ever went a Super Bowl. Okay. Wait a minute. Let's just everybody, let's settle down. Shut it all down. This is the Dalé Batá Show with the Stugats. Keep your eyes locked in Way to go Charlotte wait a go Charlotte. Thank you so much Everybody please watch oddball four days a week on the draft King's network What are you talking oh we're going except this we're going I've I just. We're going, I've- How are you recording? Yeah, no, this is now canon.

Anytime you do anything of note. Is that always going to for it to play? Yes. It's memorable enough. It's all we need. Charlotte, there are- I think I have this part too. No, I think you're kind of pushing it.

I like part two though. What Charlotte, what do you prefer as your intro music? Do you prefer the first part of Wild Thing? Or the second part of Wild Thing? Ooh, that guitarist kind of fun. Yeah, it is. Wow. I want to get to... Slaying some guitar back here, don't mind me.

I want to get to some Kelsey- related things because the Kelsey's really are dominating the sports podcast space. They've gotten up and running in a way that has been impressive to see. It, I don't know if it started with the Super Bowl, but brothers playing against each other in the Super Bowl has allowed them to mushroom cloud into now there in Taylor Swift pop culture category. And I want to get to some of that. There's a documentary that's just called Kelsey.

Amazon Prime is just doing Kelsey as a documentary. I believe it's her most popular documentary. And I'm not there yet, but I'm kind of get into the point where I'm actively rooting for just one goddamn thing to go wrong for these guys. Wow, you are just becoming a haze. Just jealous. No, it is just like, this is more a testament to their greatness and how captivating charismatic and great they are on the field because you can argue Kelsey is the greatest tight end of all time. And you can argue Jason Kelsey is one of the best

centers of all time, meaning one of the best offensive lines of the modern era. They just weighed into the podcast waters where other athletes with even more fame have waited in and not had the instantaneous success. They decided, oh, we're gonna start filming this documentary and they're both gonna make the Super Bowl during it. And now just as a plus,

he's gonna start dating, the tie-dance, gonna start dating one of the most famous people on the planet. Well, I think they got very lucky, obviously, with all of those things happening, but I also think there's very shrewd PR going on here. I mean, I saw a report that said, Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey have been on two dates in their texting, which would be, like, that's an absurd thing to call, like, being together if it were anybody not super famous. Boba, Boba would like a word.

Wow. All right. Oh, I want a great drop. Don't, that's not, so don't give that to her. No, that's mine. I think their companion gave it to her. But I do think that the Kelsey's are like, they've, they're doing an unbelievable job of holding on to people's attention.

Like they are, they are still doing this after the Super Bowl, what, how many months has it been? Not 10 months? Like, and people are still super invested, and their moms and commercials with them. And I just think it's, it's very impressive that they've actually been able to ride that wave in a way that most people haven't been. And, and attach yourself to Taylor Swift in any way, even saying Taylor didn't want to go on a date with you, very, very smart.

You guys also need to understand that it is really, really rare in that sport where they wear masks and only seven guys get the commercials, all of whom play the same position for a tight end and an offensive lineman to traverse this particular degree of difficulty on fame and cloud chasing. Another tight end at that considering Grand Kowski, but with Travis Kelsey, like his ability to link himself to Taylor Swift, grows his fame in a way that he could never achieve no matter how much success at the NFL level as a tight end. And all the commercials it doesn't matter, I imagine he a month ago was talking about

wanting to go to Taylor Swift's concert and making a friendship bracelet and all of that. And he enters this Taylor Swift's fear. I got to imagine their podcast numbers just skyrocketed after just linking himself now if you're actually dating in any capacity, even if it's just a couple of days. They have not just passed everyone in sports, they've passed everyone. Everyone in potting, they've passed. There's like only one is ahead of them and of course it has to be something with murder because we're obsessed by murderous things.

Well, when I was talking just then, Mike was playing my song after every point I made. Okay. And I did, like this says something about like the chaos that I am used to. I didn't even register it. I saw like a mean laughing about something and I was like, were you laughing about that? I was laughing at Chris doing the air guitar but he looks like he's being electrocuted. Yeah. I just, I really tuned it out.

It wasn't until he told me he was playing it after every point that I was like, oh my God, my brain is broken. Yes, Chris Cody doing the air guitar. He's shredding some tar. No, it looks like you're being tased is what it does look like. Chris Cody walked into a race. They call it tar.

No, definitely not. Wow. No one calls it get and no one calls it tar. You can get out and go into the penalty box. You can beat out. Chris Cody says to me today and I'm dying to hear what this is, that he has a macaroni and cheese dilemma of some sort. It's a biggie, Dano.

So I went to a restaurant the other day, and I ordered a meal with two sides, like I do. And so, I'm sorry, I got to catch my breath here. A lot of guitar slang. The git? You're my git. You're a winded, wait a minute. And so I'm sorry I got to catch my breath here a lot of guitar slaying the get Your winded wait a minute I just printed in the Miami heat

You know what hold on do me a favor wait in fairness that is a body lay for 50 yards now Let's stop for a second because I didn't quite get what I wanted in the payoff from Charlotte more than her, you know, fiddling with the helmet. I wanted the quality payoff of winded commentary. I'll get back to you in a second, Chris. After you have played a full consecutive minute of air guitar. Now I will come back to you to get your winded Mac and cheese dilemma. I don't want you to catch your breath. I want it maximum winded. Can I get that? All right. So you play you play one minute of that please and I will talk about something else for a minute and then we will come back to your Mac and cheese dilemma.

One full minute of air guitar from you and then we will come back to your mac and cheese dilemma. One full minute of air guitar from you, and then we will find out how that sounds. I wanted to ask Charlotte, as someone who worked at Sports Illustrated, and has seen the deterioration of that brand in a way that has been painful. I had a couple of friends who were in on a meeting not that long ago, when Sports Illustrated was being pitched as a product to be sold. And one of my friends who was in a decision making capacity walked out of the room and said that person thinks the sports illustrated brand is worth $100 million. The sports illustrated brand is worth $0.

And the sports illustrated brand now after selling vitamins and not really doing magazines anymore and cheapening in a way that makes me sad when I see sports illustrated now sports illustrated is opening a bunch of sports themed resorts in college town so a full service hotel of a vacation club. This is a different brand that sportsrated is trying to market now. Does that have a future? The Sports Themed resorts in college towns branded by Sports Illustrated. It's very difficult to answer this seriously.

You just pull your shoulder muscle. Oh my god, I think he's actually in pain. He's hurt him, that's gonna really impact your bowling team. Man, the kids. What's his comedy here? Get is hard to play. I mean, I think we knew that that was gonna happen in 2019 when it was bought by a place called Authentic Brands Group.

And we were like, oh, this is, okay, well, clearly they run Shaq Super Bowl party. This is, it's gonna have sports illustrated swimsuits, sports illustrated, you know, it all is like, exactly what Chris Codis. Chris Codis is going way better. But I do think, you know, there are still people there who are and have been writing really great stuff. And so it's just, it makes me very sad.

It's all, and there you go. Great juxtaposition here. We've got going on. I saw ESPN tried us with their restaurant team, right? That didn't necessarily work. But it's ESPN, which has a brand that's sports illustrated no longer has. But it always works.

If restaurants, phones, sports gambling, there's no reason to doubt the mighty big letters. Chris Cody has that radio and podcasting as well. Chris Cody has faded. It's pulled it shoulder out. Well, Andrew went from air guitar while thing you were doing ballads in the middle there because you got tired. You need a bass too sometimes. It's nice and easy.

What is your mac and cheese dilemma? All right. So I went to a restaurant. I won't name names and I ordered a meal with two sides like everyone does. And I got mashed potatoes. no I didn't actually, I got vegetables and mac and cheese. Okay, so the mac and cheese, I'm really out of breath. Yes, that was the point of what it is.

The mac and cheese comes in this little ramacan and it is, I'm telling you, one fourth filled up with mac and cheese and I am not a confrontational person at a restaurant, hold on. Breathe. Is he worked up because of the story? I get real emotional talking about this. I'm not someone to say anything like, hey, can you, but whatever.

I had a cool little thing with the waiter. So he comes up and all I do is, I just pointed the thing and I'm like, is this the normal? Like, is this how much usually comes? Not being confrontational, being very nice, and he hits me with a very snarky. Yep. So I'm like, I look at my wife and I'm just like, okay, no problem. He walks away. I'm like a little upset, but I'm not going to do anything else.

Still out of breath. And then five minutes later, out of nowhere, I'm almost done with the whole meal at this point. He comes back over. Doesn't even say anything, puts a ramicking down with warm mac and cheese. And how full was that, Ramack? That was filled to the top. Wow. And the question I asked folks, do you eat the mac and cheese? Because I'm telling you, it was put down very snarky. It was not like, sir, I was wrong.

I'm sorry, here's what it was more just like here. And he walked up to move it and I was like, now of course I ate it. But I'm asking you. It was more just like here. And he walked kept it moving and I was like Now of course I ate it, but I'm asking you guys. Would you eat the mac and cheese? I'm gonna tell you right now Chris. This is exactly what happened He walked into that kitchen. Can you believe the fatty at table seven was complaining about how much mac and cheese? Oh, you know what you should do give him some more mac and cheese with some of that special sauce. Yeah, come on, boy. That's what I said to my wife. I was like, what's worst-case scenario here?

Let's get the special sauce going. Come on. He put his thumb in it. That's not the worst-case scenario. Definitely not. Worst-case in the thumb. But I've worked in restaurants. I've worked in restaurants, and I've never seen anything like that that people say happens

in restaurants, so I believe people to be decent. So I don't believe that someone's actually gonna put their thumb in my mac and cheese. That's not the thumb. The other part of this that causes some shame for you and me, right, at our size. It's too empty, Ramacans, mac and cheese. Yeah, it's the mac and cheese. And it's the size of us.

What you made me think of is a friend of mine. This actually happened to a friend of mine who went in for a prostate exam and they didn't tell him some things that can happen during a prostate exam. Well, if I could go into that. Hello. Hey, and what happened happened

that you don't want to happen to him and the doctor sort of threw a towel at him. Why don't you clean yourself up? Oh! Wait, which one was it? I got questions. I have zero questions. Oh!

Wait, which one was it? I got questions. I have zero questions.