The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Wild Willy Is NEVER Wrong

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

When the polling suggests political assassin Mike Ryan is wrong, he'll put his hands up and admit it. In fact, he's done it 6.5 times today. Also, Thabo Sefolosha. Also, also, The Niekro Leagues. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is the Don Lebatore Show with the Stugats Podcast. I am dangerously close to Stugats to placing expectations upon our next sponsored bit. I have been, I might be ready to admit, way too hard in demanding that you adhere to the standards of our sponsor, Boost Mobile, on our audience and on our callers demanding that in a sponsored segment that Boost Mobile is giving us money for, they be good and funny and creative and clever and better than most people they be good and funny and creative and clever and better than most people competing at good and funny and creative and clever.

And I've been asking for weeks and months, do better, be better, do better, be better, as I have seen Chris Cody and Mike Ryan and Amin and Billy light up as the callers get a little bit better, like they used to be. They've been great, Dan. I won't stand for this. I won't sit for this either. You can take a little advice from me and openly admit

when you're wrong sometimes. It's actually endearing. Two and a half times? It actually buys you nothing though because everyone thinks that no one does this. In fact there is no stronger political force in this country than people refusing to admit that they're wrong. We've lived it for over a decade. But you do buy something with us, the people in the foxhole with you. And it's a nice, endearing quality that more people should turn to.

Hey, went off me coach. That's good stuff. It's brave of you, Mike, to admit that you were wrong about saying that admitting you were wrong would buy you anything with the audience. So I think now we're up to three and a half times. That was big of you.

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I thought it was bad as it was and shouldn't have been sponsored. Could have been worse though. The concept there, it could have gone a lot lot worse. As soon as he said it though, I'm like that's going to go poorly. Right. And it didn't. It exceeded your expectations. It went poorly. He could have been as he- And it didn't. It exceeded your expectations. No, it didn't.

It went poorly. He could have been Blasian. Yeah. That's true. Got you there. Got all your asses. Don't say he wasn't. I think that might be four.

I think that's a half. Well, I wanted to ask you about this because Mike Ryan snuck in there something. I went, when the smugness, when the smugness sweeps through the bottom of the mustache and her boy is feeling confident on the oratory. He went real political on us with the sentence that I think could have been a platform, but I don't want to get this wrong. Did you say there is no stronger political movement in this

country than never admitting that you're wrong? Specifically men. I've often said this there is no stronger politic what has happened over the last decade is a refusal to capitulate There's no stronger political force than men primarily white men Just refusing to admit that they were wrong, but you felt like it was a banger in the middle of it And I thought I know that's a banger That's why I've often said that because it's a banger you're trying to smog it's true have you ever tried to pin down one of your conservative friends on what's happened over the last 15 years it's impossible have you changed a single mind nope nothing will I'm telling you like we've we've well passed the point of no return

when it comes to these things if they didn't admit that they were wrong, after January 6, they're never going to admit that they were wrong. You should almost give up and just try to work on the MPAs. MPAs and the people that were somehow part of unions, that even though that you had the strongest political, the strongest president ever when it came to unions, you had their union bosses endorsing whatever's going on right now, people just don't want to admit that they're wrong. I didn't like admitting that I'm wrong. I had Malik Rozier as a Heisman candidate until about week six. You think I felt good about that?

I've learned. And you get older and you learn and you get wiser and you realize it's not so bad to say, hey, my bad, got that one wrong. Big mistake there You know when the the meme stonks were going on and I bought way too much AMC. That's way too much That was wrong And game stop like I just could never get in on the right another admission that he was wrong again

How many admissions this is five and a half like that was all about timing like there were a lot of people that made a lot Of quarter at best. You're really blossoming. You're growing on, this has to be a record. What's happening with you that you would grow? I don't understand why I have this reputation. I'm telling Max Shrews, hey man, I'm sorry. You donnas has them, hey, I'm sorry.

And everyone's like, well, you're just an egotistical asshole. And that may be true, but look, I had my doubts about Jalen Hurts and Nick Sirianni. I was wrong. It feels good. Still and Nick Sirianni. I was wrong. It feels good. Still do about Sirianni. I mean. You weren't wrong about them at the time though.

We can't do that. We can't do that. That's moving the goal close in the other direction. But Billy's saying at the time you were fair to have doubts and now it's easy to say you don't doubt them anymore. With the stocks. Look, look. It was a timing thing.

At that time I'm like, they're gonna need to figure something out because it seems like the league's caught on. They had a timing thing. At that time, I'm like, they're going to need to figure something out because it seems like the league's caught on. They had a bye week and damn it, they figured it out. So I got to be wrong and they get to be champions. I don't know. I don't think you were wrong.

Wow, Billy Wednesday. You could be right at the time and eventually it looks like you were wrong, but at the time you were right. So it's not really wrong. All we have is results. I'm sorry, I can't follow you down that path. I can't say at the, like, we've done this. Be a new Mike.

But I will be right. Maybe that's a little closer, but I can't do I'm right at the time. There's really no like end date on this, right? Cause like if Sirianni ends up being a bust, he could be right again. He could be right again, right? Like what is the timeframeni ends up being a bust, they got one right. It could be right again. It could be right again, right?

Like what is the timeframe I'm right or wrong? Is it like the end? Well, there, there, there is an end date in, but sometimes it can be confusing. I thought Baker Mayfield was going to be awesome. And I was feeling pretty good after that rookie year and some injuries. And then all of a sudden he's running D end at the,

at Carolina on their scout team. I'm like, I guess I had that one wrong. Guess what? Ultimately, right. But this is Billy's point. Yeah. Well, it's tough. You're only wrong if you admit defeat.

Wow. You can have an argument go on forever. And until you admit defeat and concede that you're wrong, you're not wrong. The fight's not over yet. If you've ever seen The Apprentice, that's actually at the crux of the plot. Yeah.

So you say, hold on to your guns, right? And then you're proving temporarily wrong in which case you abandon you abandon you abandon that Point right you abandon that stance, but then once you're right again, you got to remind everybody man I was the first one to say that right you don't mind them that you abandon the stance You remind them that you were the first to have a stance altogether I don't like to be the first to say things honestly. Like sometimes I am. But I do tend to subscribe to Fools Rush In.

Except when it comes to stonks. I mean I was a fool and I rushed in. At the wrong time, man. It's like you're just off by a couple hours. It's like someone's watching me and just trying to get one over. This is what's going to undermine the platform of whatever it is that you're doing with the blustering swagger of there is no greater political movement in this country

than people refusing to admit they're wrong. I'm Mike Ryan, political assassin, showing America what's right right I don't think I want to be called the political assassin. It has a really bad connotation when you look at that group of guys. Wait Mike what's your middle name? Well I've had to change it I don't really have this is confusing so I don't actually have a middle name but in all my documentation since like my restricted license it the fact that my name is hyphenated confuses too many people. You be ever real ID now today was I do have

a real ID and Mike you have to have if you're gonna be a political assassin you gotta have three names That's that's no that's how it works Well, I do go by three names and if I were to ever venture into politics It would be Mike Ryan Ruiz because Mike Ryan has a brand has written No, you can't go with Mike breaking and Ruiz would actually help me the polling suggest Polling suggest it was John Wilkes Booth not Johnny Wilkes Booth. You can't be Mike. Oh, but you mean political assassin I'm sorry. Sorry. This is cutting a little closer to the bone than you even know Johnny Booth is a quarterback

I mean, oh man, you can sling it Johnny Booth the polling suggests I'm not you're obnoxious man. You're obnoxious. I'm not at Liberty to talk Come on I'm not you're obnoxious man. You're obnoxious. I'm not at liberty to talk about it. Yeah, this is you know what? Oh come on man. I'm not gonna talk. One day one day The book will be written. Now listen to me. About the last few months I've had. You blowhard. I hope I'm the one writing it I hope this company lets me. I hope you're around long enough to write it. So do I. Yeah so do I. A little assassin. I have a can I ask an unrelated question before we get too far away? Wow, Billy Wednesday. assassin I have a can I ask an unrelated question before we get too far away Wow

When you saw John Reese's boat sank off the record well wasn't that big news you were happy wasn't that fake news I don't know. I don't pay attention. I think I think he's come out and denied it No one wants to admit their boats, but before you knew whether I think I've seen his response you saw you saw you saw, you saw like the SS life wallet went down, you're like, hmm. You smiled a little bit. This may be one of the times we have to admit that we're wrong.

I think that came from like a parody on three account. By the way, it could be a good week for the Miami Hurricanes. Tell me Lee Oswald doesn't sound like a middle linebacker for Tennessee. Oh wow. Lee Oswald. Mike Ryan's got a likeability problem. He's out here making it sound like an act of nobility that he

Refuses as a matter of strength to go back and ever say I was right at the time Tell me Aaron Hernandez doesn't sound like a good tight end Wow, Billy Wednesday Were you doing a different show than the rest of us? Because they were doing serial killers and how they would be as athletes. Hand up. I'll be the first to admit it. Didn't think that guy was a serial killer. When he got drafted.

Was it serial? Yeah, if it's more than one. Was it more than one? Yeah, and you know, like, there's... Billy, are you informed about anything the last couple of sentences of speech out of your mouth? Not Wednesdays, no. Are you aware that the people of New England are worried that there's an active serial killer or killers? Yes, yes.

I believe- Well, no, wait a minute, hold on. I could be wrong. I believe he died and wasn't guilty. Just let me backtrack for just a second. What Mike Ryan just said, I believe, I don't think I have this wrong unless there's different information in the last 12 hours. Everyone suspects there's a serial killer but it's not being yet confirmed by authorities that it's a serial killer ever even though everyone's saying no that's a serial killer because it is it

do I have that my information wrong here? Yeah we thank you we have it in preview but if you could quickly put it in programming before we jump to the serial killer thing in question as you you can see, instead of on three sports, it says no three sports. And you cited what was misinformation. John Ruiz, who's always been truthful, says fake news, not my boat at all. According to him.

I think it was his boat. You are within your right, I guess, to be suspicious of the man. John Gacy, Center, Penn State University. I like it. This is Billy failing to admit that he was wrong, though, in a fake news story. I ain't dead yet.

I ain't wrong. Was that Greg Cody in disguise? Got to win. So I mean, there is a possibility that he does have a boat that sinks. Well, then you just move the goalpost to be like, I meant that boat. I'm still not convinced it wasn't this one. You think that's noble to say that I will not say that I was right at the time? Like is it this important to be right about things? I will say

this, if you start your defense with fake news exclamation mark, I'm kind of like, mmm, is it? I kind of know where you're at. I not certain yeah you know I'm trying to turn over a new page and you would think that this would buy me something but I think from the feedback it just I think it is more unlikeable no I think it is Ted Kaczynski cornerback Michigan State University really Sparty huh Billy can you please help me with something, because I'm smart. It doesn't seem like it today.

Well, it's a Wild Willie Wednesday, and we go where Wild Willie takes us. And the thing about your neck brace and the fact that you began your work day, you've had a difficult stretch. God bless football is roaring to life again as a new season starts. Billy the Duke has been battered climbing up the rankings in football and Billy's got a neck brace and he comes in today and I need him to help me on Wild Willy Wednesday because I thought Mike

and Amin were gonna be obnoxious and I feel like every year at this time and you tell me please if I have this wrong It feels like you always have a neck brace on because wives and mothers on Mother's Day, do you fear it? Is it off in the distance in a way that makes you be like, mm, there seems some tensions here on the way. No, no, I've got this all wrong. I don't know what's happening with you

and your general fear. How do you guys handle, let me ask the married people here with mothers. How do you guys handle Mother's Day? Do you make it about your wife or your mother? You make it about your wife. Well, that's not really an issue for me. Sam. Okay, I picked a terrible sampling of people here.

Probably the worst, yeah, among the worst. Your wife doesn't have a child, you guys have dead moms. I'm with you Billy. I can play this game with you Willie. I struggle with this. My mom I feel like since I've gotten married has gotten a little bit less every year.

More attention goes to the wife and I feel bad for my mom to answer your question. I need to give her more attention this mother's day. Oh this is the act of a man and a son who will never actually do what he just said. It was just to sound good on television and radio. It's a good job out of you. It's your dad's responsibility, though, right?

I mean, is it not for mom, I'm saying? It's my dad's to do for my, I mean, I don't know. I think it's the child. That's what I'm asking. If I may play one of your games, I can put the shoe on the other foot. Oh, I love this. Oh, wow.

So let me put the shoe on the other foot. That's a good game. David was bad at that game. Let's get that sponsored. David was very bad at that. The shoe was on the other foot. Oh I love this. Oh wow. So let me put the shoe on the other foot. That's a good game. Let's get that sponsored. Get that sponsored. The shoe is on the other foot. Shoes on the other foot. I actually had like a Tessie exchange with my dad on Father's Day who still wants Father's Day to be all about him. No that's different. And I understand it's different but again the shoe is on the other foot. Yeah so what my whole point to my dad was look man. You had your run Yeah, and now it's my time and I don't need you bringing this look at me energy into my domicile on my day Daddy wants to sit on that couch take about 20 mg and watch

Again with daddy again. He wants to melt into that couch, take 20 MG, and watch some left turns. You keep to yourself, I'll keep to mine. What I want for Father's Day is this, and not you wanting your time. You had your time, and it was a hell of a run. Almost 40 years. You just want silence.

I've been being about you. I just want 20 MG, melt into couch, left turns. All I want. Sirhan Sirhan, kicker, USC. So like, do I get my wife a present or my mom a present? Cause my kids- You give her 20 MG. My kids are too young to actually handle this

and now I have to do this for them. Don't I do enough for my children as it is now? I have to buy presents on their behalf for their mother? It's not my mother. I children as it is now, I have to buy presents on their behalf for their mother. It's not my mother. I'm gonna tell everybody now, and I've failed in many ways around here, but us as a media company not being able to show our beloved audience

how lovely and wonderful and weird Mike's relationship is with his father is a failure of this entity on a number of different levels. It's not a failure, it's by design. Because every time you try to, I am there with like, Thabo Cephalocia defense. I feel like the people that have listened to this show for a while have a grasp on it.

No, but here's the thing though, because what people don't understand about it. I think it's that deep. That was a pretty good name pool right there. It was amazing. And that one just came to me, I wasn't ready for that. I didn't want to go Bruce Bowen everyone goes Bruce Bowen obvious. Yes Thabo's always gonna be a winner there that What's the wonder of that particular ski slope is that the Thabo gets you in the game and everyone's roaring

But then when you can hit it on the back end with cephalocia and all he did was play defense. It ends the game. It's just like, you will not do better than that. I think I finally found something that buys something with the audience. Thabo cephalocia. Folks, listen up.

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Michael, the ACC network job is a good job. It's a stable job. I'm ready to pack it in. I've got a lot of good football left in me. My footwork is underrated. I could step up in the pocket with the best of them. No one can stand in the field like me. But wouldn't it be nice to be around the family more often and not have to worry about any injuries? Babe, just give me one more season.

Stugats. Tell you what, I'm not going to therapy. I'm not. Therapy is not happening. Sorry. You need to work on you. There's one person pulling the rope for this family right here and it's Mike Glennon. This is the Dan LeBattatar Show with the StuGuts.

When I'm told you don't need to get me anything, we just got a couch, that's a flat out lie, correct? Yes. That's a lie. Yes. Okay. Yes. It's a trap.

It's not a lie, it's a trap. Can it work the other way with the serial killers and football players? Like can I go Austin, Seferi, and Jenkins? Seven homicides. Oh, athletes who sound like serial killers. Well, I'm just like, yeah. Aaron Hernandez, Steve Martin.

John Rausch. I like that one. He sounds like he could kill a lot of people. In the woods though mm-hmm Andrew Tony Well, I think the details are hope might get in trouble like if I if I were Ryan Linger Hans I'd be really like on edge. Oh, do you think I'm gonna do to somebody? Yeah? I mean although. I do use his name for comelingus Ray Carruth

Jim drunkenmiller. That's a good one, it's probably a bad game though. Yeah. See, first it would admit that I was wrong. Lot going on. And a fool that rushed in. Jim Eisenreich. Hmm. Is that a good one?

That's for Mike's game. Yeah, no, that guy kills. Well, maybe I was wrong at the time. But I'll be right now. Yeah, see? It's possible. You get it now. I'm not sure everyone in this room knows why Jim Eisenreich is so funny.

It's one of those things like Thabocephalosia. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Jim Eisenreich's got another layer. Thabocephalosia is comedically perfect for all the reasons stated. Jim Eisenreich is tougher. Because I don't know whether I have my history on this right, but I believe Jim Eisenreich also had Tourette's. And I don't know if anyone is allowed to make fun.

You got that Eisenreich. We can make fun of it that way. Just like that. Instugats his own Tou of it that way. Just like that. Instugats his own Tourette's way. Carl Anthony Towns. Oh, good one, Kat. The triple.

The triple name. You guys are cheating. You guys are cheating with that. Chris Douglas Roberts. Shay Gildes Alexander. SGA. You can do this forever. You can do this forever.

Look at, look at. I mean. Ben Griffey Jr. What am I doing with work and Tavius Caldwell Pope doesn't work for me when he was like on a work release program too like you would think it would work but it doesn't hmm it's it's not you know what too many syllables that's right bang bang bang R.A. Dickie that's a good one that you're a genius multiple states across state lines bodies everywhere dismembered I have never seen Billy Gill so delighted with himself that he pulled the knuckleballer out of his ass with two Syllables of ra and then dicky and then did a dance and then bowed and then got hit in the neck by flowers

Thrown from I don't know. It's a curtsy. That was trying to pull off and then I move too much and then You know, I'm sorry. I've been told not to speak anymore and just sit at the entire time. It's Wild Willy Wednesday, what are you talking about? Lawyers told me, yeah. I, when you went down at the knees, I imagined you getting hit with a bouquet because of how lovely a joke R.A. Dickey was. Thank you for bringing the knuckleballer to the conversation

and 90s baseball talk the only place we all love was that not 90s I probably started that guy pitched like 40 years he was early 2000 yeah you're doing the knuckleballer thing where like this guy must have been careful I said Nikra I know you did but it still scared me Jonathan Pappelbond looks like he has a den like Quinn yours, right? The plural did it Stu gots. I know what you're going for the film necros of the world But when you just say necros, yeah, especially like No, Phil. I mean Wow The segment started with a fake Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker and somehow you made it worse

and Chris Tucker and somehow you made it worse. Me? Me? I can't believe Dan doesn't like that segment. It's the best. It's gold every time. What is the difference between turtles and tortoises? I don't know. I think when you get to a certain age,

you become a tortoise, right? What? I think certain turtles can only grow so much. Tortoises are bigger. What about the big ones in the Galapagos? Those are tortoises or turtles? I think that turtles can only grow so much. Tortoises are bigger. What about the big ones in the Galapagos? Those are tortoises or turtles? I think that turtles can grow to any size. It just depends on what it is that's holding them in.

So like, if you had a tortoise in like a 10,000 acre field, I think that it could grow to the size of a car. Wait, doesn't Mike have a big backyard with turtles in him? No, I've never seen a turtle back there. I've seen a lot of like interesting birds. Really? And I hate birds, but I do get some real, oh, never seen a turtle back there. I've seen a lot of like interesting birds. Really? And I hate birds, but I do get some real, oh, I had an owl back there.

Dude, we had an owl in our neighborhood. You guys take for granted that the entire audience knows how funny it is to mention the knuckleballing necros. Everyone in this room, but hold on a second, hold on a second, okay, because I meet a lot of young listeners.

Careful with the plural. You started this. You started this. The watch. LeBron! I believe that the majority of our audience, started this the watch i believe that the majority of our audience not the minority of our audience in the aging audience

does not know who the necrose are smeed you doing right right and hawk and dominic sometime is not always here Roy, right? And Hawk. And Dominic sometimes. He's not always here. Jason Goff too. Any others? Bo?

You know, like, knuckleballing is- Don't put that on me. Knuckleballing is almost the exclusive domain of the white man. Really? Yeah. I did find a minority. Wait a minute.

What a great observation. Put it on the poll. Is knuckleballing the exclusive domain of the white man? But please hold on a second. Just please everyone back off for just a second. Okay. Please. I'm sorry. Forgive me for doing this Actually, I don't think so. I think Chad GPT thinks Dennis Springer is black and that is not the case. Hmm

This is why you vet artificial intelligence. I don't believe that's an almost situation I didn't even know why you threw almost exclusively I defy you people in America to bring me a black knuckleballer So I googled black knuckleballer and I got a completely different set of results. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Not NSFW. I am willing to report without further information, no actual knowledge and no research from the internet

that there has never been on earth a black person who said, you know, I'm not gonna get him out with the fastball, I'm gonna do this with my knuckle. I'm trying to figure out why Chad GPT thinks Dennis Springer is black because he is not he's not a black man. The name sounds a little black. He threw a 43 mile per hour knuckleball to Barry Bonds who hit his 73rd home run of the 2001 season on it. A 43 mile per hour. So you think the knuckleball is reserved for Tom Candiati? I don't think... Candiati. Great name.

I think it's the exclusive domain of the white man. I know why Chad GPT thought Dennis Springer was black. It sounds black. No, it's not even that. It's because Chad GPT is crowd sourcing off of my information, which is one time I did a SportsCenter hit and they said, this is right when the Astros won, and they said, oh, so-and-so Springer, I don't even remember his his first name is gonna be here, and I was shocked that he was black I wish Sean Springer is that his name Jerry maybe well

No, the one that plays for the Astros wild willy went turns out that turtles are primarily aquatic while Turtles are primarily Terrestrial oh Chris just whispered to me that he didn't have the wild willy Wednesday sound because he's trying to find a black knuckleball Chris you won't it's our check the entirety of sound because he's trying to find a black knuckleball a crescent watch it's our check the entire you know you will not find them check all of our people will not find them black people will not say i will be to a baseball with my knuckles i'd rather not play i'm gonna ask him kurchin he's not ready for this tim kurchin doesn't want these problems these questions he avoids politics

karcher why won't you answer for anybody why there's never been a black knuckleballer? And furthermore, all your comments please on the Necros. It was George Springer I was trying to think about. Springer Dinger. I saw him. He is black. But I was shocked.

They said George Springer's on Sports Center with you. And I said, oh, that's cool. And I was thinking of some white guy and I saw him and I was like, oh, you're black. And I said, yeah, I was kind of weird. You said that out loud? It, it was kind of weird. You said that out loud? It was backstage, no one heard me. I'm sorry.

I'm just learning this. That George Springer's black? Yeah. You thought he was white? It's a white name, George Springer? Yeah, but Mike's not watching any baseball? I mean, the Astros have been playing big time games and never once it across my mind.

I just thought he had a great hand. Wait a minute, it's a Coachman situation. Look man, I'll wear it. This is vulnerable. You're wrong about this. Mike, you're bringing race relations forward in this country. I don't think I was wrong about this. I just wasn't aware. And so I'm learning about this. And I'm sorry. I feel bad about it. But we're still searching for a black knuckle baller. Not the kind that's on the hook.

Stop your search There's no search to be done exist. There's not a search to be done What is like search for Bigfoot can take oh can pull that off can say go can't find the black knuckleballer It's got to be one no No, I will listen to me I don't want to speak on behalf of black people but in this one instance Can I get permission from somewhere to do this? I don't think so.

There's gotta be like the George Niang of knuckleballers, right? This is what I'm telling you, no honoring black person. They don't like baseball that much to begin with. Please clarify that statement because we're like that. Bad start. Sounded real pentagonish right there.

Let's rewind. Start over, Dan. Let's start, yeah, refresher. Take two. We're here for you. All right. Culturally, I believe. Take three, take three.

Yeah, take three. And slowly, please. Let's pace ourselves here. Think about it. I'm rattled, okay, because I still want to explain to the audience that doesn't understand who the negros are. Because it's, God's blurting that and not knowing what he was blurting and seeing it on his face,

I will not recover from that for a while. And so I'd really like to know from our audience how many of you know who the Negros are because they're not just that funny with the way they played they were frumpy they were all the men they they had long gray hair they were dying anything they pitched into their forties and what i'm saying simply a culture of people who love sports i don't believe a black person with a strong arm or any arm would ever reduce themselves

to trying to win a baseball game or getting even a single strike by tricking the opposing batter by shortening their fingers on how you normally throw a baseball and fluttering in a knuckleball that butterflies and is not a dignified way to win a baseball game. I think we found one. Ray Brown from the Negro Leagues. Wow. What is that, the Negro Leagues or? Good question.

I don't think that counts. Whoa. I'm just saying. It counts for me. I just want everyone to know that. No, I understand historically it counts, but like when I say like, we haven't seen a non-white knuckle baller,

I think you guys know what I mean. You know, with cameras. Oh, we haven't seen them. We haven't seen them. With our own two eyes. It's like, I mean, that was from a time where like, people had weird nicknames. But you know what?

You know what I just realized that I've never thought of What's that what I don't think any Hispanic person would lower themselves to throw a knuckleball I think it's the exclusive domain of the white person. No Jared Fernandez was a knuckleballer. He's Hispanic. He's from Utah He's Hispanic, he's from Utah. Afre pentido! Okay. Afre pentido! Let's look into this one. Jared from Utah.

I've never thought about this before. Hold on, I thought of Hoyt Wilhelm. Nope, not his name. Ah, damn. Is he black? He pitched in the 1890s or 1910s or something, didn't he? He was born in 1922. Did he play in the Necroligues?

He died in 02. Which is around the time Dennis Springer lobbed up that meatball to Barry Bonds. 73 from a knuckleball. Barry Bonds should be ashamed. Hit it off a fastball. I can't imagine that. He did plenty of that. I can't imagine the force. I'm with Dan. I think he should have caught it and thrown it back to the guy. Try again! I think he should have caught it and thrown it back to the guy Put it on the pole if you hit number 73 after off a knuckleballer

Should it be diluted is there a rule that this sounds ridiculous and Tim Kirchman loses mind when we discuss this but if someone throws you a 40 mile per hour knuckleball and you simply catch it and toss it up into the air and tee yourself up. That's cheating. Why is that cheating? Bad ass, that would be so bad ass. Why would that not be allowed? What in the rule book says you can't catch the pitch

and throw it to yourself? How did you not hurt your neck taking the swing you just did for the pitchers? I did, I did. Well let me ask you a question. Like, whose side are you on? If you're at the dish, you know what, come how you do it. Well, let me ask you a question. Whose side are you on? If you're at the dish. You know what?

Come to think of it, this started bothering me at work. Yeah, it's a pro. If you're at the dish. A bobble head hit me or something. Who do I call? Skip's not here. If you're at the plate and you make contact with a ball, but with your fingers at the base of the bat.

You can still call him. You can still call him. I dare you. He was talking to me when we were bat. You can still call him. You can still call him. I dare you. He was talking to me when we were here, so. You can still call him. All right, all right, someone that's following. I'm following you, Mike. If you make contact, if you swing the bat,

but the ball goes off your hands, but it's a seeing eye single. Yes. Does that count? Well, you're hit by a pitch. Yeah, but you're swinging. You're swinging. So the ball hits your hands, and you actually hit by a pitch. Yeah, but you're swinging. You're swinging.

So the ball hits your hands and you actually get a single off your fingers. Yes, that hand is part of the bat in those situations. Except, but, but. His hypothetical can work. You know you can be hit by a pitch on the knuckles, which would really hurt at 104 miles an hour and it not be a hit by pitch if you're swinging.

I think it's the catching of the ball and then the tossing it up to yourself. No one's tried it. I guarantee you there'd at least be a hit by pitch if you're swinging. I think it's the catching of the ball and then the tossing it up to yourself. No one's tried it. I guarantee you there'd at least be a review. Look, this is the thing. Billy, I wish that we could get off the ground with the help of Brad Williams, a league-wide NFL mandate where we change football Sundays

because instead of the tushbush in short yardage situations, every team does indeed have a little person who holds the football and you just throw them four or five yards. Why are we doing this with Brad out of curiosity? Because Brad's idea. It's his idea. It's his idea.

It's actually Mike Leach's idea, like reported on the internet. But that might be a John Ruiz boat thing again. That was also Reddit misinformation because it's something that he would say. It is something he would say and if it was misinformation that's fine. Brad Williams take it took it and ran three point four yards with it He pitched it to the Commissioner of the NFL that makes it his idea. That's correct. He can sponsor What'll Raj say about it? He seems like a good time Put it on the pole did does Raj seem like a good time honestly of all the commissioners I think I would hang out with him the most oh no doubt he does he probably would be wild it's not Batman it is

wild that he's the best commissioner in sports Adam Silver Silver seems like a stick nah he'd have a good time I go to bed at eight we're having tea with Adam so we're gonna run with Roger Dan's hung out with Silver I don't know if he's hung out with good now probably not certainly not Rob Manfred I don't think they're talking they like even make a penis joke to Adam silver. I remember that yeah That's why I dinner right important dinner. Yeah, and then he got all hmm. I'm the commissioner Don't talk about penises around me. She's There's a bit crass. I mean I Mean, what were you doing crude? Are you trying to mark commissioners off the list Manfred out?

silver out? The devil won't even give you the time of day. I think silver would be a good time. No No chance. I feel like he'd audit me And then bill you for it. Yeah, I Haven't been right since the Negros. Oh and now you have summoned the memory of my late brother so that I can report confirm to you that Adam Silver is a great deal smarter than Roger Dell as a report. Right, but is he fun? But hold on I've been rattled by the memory

of my late brother because I don't think you remember this story and and unfortunately It's a very funny story, but that my only interaction With Adam Silver and the aforementioned skip Was with Adam Silver sitting across a loud table From my late brother who is built very differently than I am and does not care that you need to respect Adam Silver because Adam Silver, I think my brother said something about he's got a parasol instead of an umbrella and my brother couldn't be trusted in these situations in any way, okay?

So my brother, before we were making Adam Silver jokes on the show, my brother was making Adam Silver jokes upon meeting Adam Silver. And so that's not appropriate at a power table. I think Belmonte was there that night, too. My brother is not appropriate at this table in any way. I've got 50 stories like this. This isn't in the top 10. It's not in the top 10.

Adam Silver is sitting across from John Skipper. These are two of the most powerful people in sports, and it's loud at the table. It's a Miami restaurant. It's really loud. And I can't hear what my brother seems to be yelling at Adam Silver, sort of the side of Adam Silver's face. Because it's loud.

It's kind of night clubby. It's popular. How did they end up next to each other in this table? Well, I, it's a good question. You need to control your brother in this. That's right. You're correct on this. You're correct on this But I could never I can never control my brother. Okay the first the first journalist

Idol his his daughter works for our company that I ever had upon meeting him My brother. He's got a Sports Illustrated press credential. He's meeting him and he whacks the credential and makes it spin around his neck while arguing with him. That's a great move, by the way. Love doing that at a game. So, you do? Oh, all the time when I'm trying to portray nonchalance,

like at the All-Star game, because they don't want you to stand on the floor until you keep moving. So I just stand there and I just hit it like a propeller. People don't, they don't mess with you. They're like, oh, he's so nonchalant. He must, he must be here. It's a weird thing to do.

By the way, I think we're getting player intros at the Conclave. Dude, did you see they got cards and everything? Yeah, I think Matteo Zuppi, Archbishop Bologna. You're a grown man, I mean, how, what kind of, you're, you're respected. You're a respected NBA journalist. Why are you walking up to people and doing my brother's move of not being the

credential? Oh, I'm not doing it to other people. I'm doing it to myself. Where are you going with Lebo? I'm getting there. It's a good one. Trust me. We should break because I'm pretty sure you said his daughter is working for our company. Whose kid works here? I was. Thank you for hiding it out. Cynthia?

Which one of you is the secret daughter? No, wait a minute. You guys are not aware that Metal Arc employs the daughter of Steve Wolf, legendary Sports Illustrated journalist? No, but we were also not aware that Lebo had a daughter that was employed here, and that is what you said. Oh, I'm sorry.

Yeah. I'm sorry. So anyways, let me get, look, I've been disoriented since the Negroes! He had a child? Yeah.