The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: With One Eye Open

Episode Date: August 13, 2025

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that means it's a serious business. Yeah, thank you. Like, if NFL music is playing, then we know stop what you're doing and pay attention to what is being said. An important note. That is a good note. Everyone knows that, right? Good producing Zaz. If you're listening to something, you hear the music,

oh, my God, this is serious stuff. Tony, you're up. Thank you. Well, not that one. I'm also really impressed by the geography there of knowing it's Western New York. I had no idea. Well, they always say it, yeah, Western New York.

You watched Hard Knocks last night? I'm also locked in on Hard Knocks. I forgot it was on last night. That first, and you know why I forgot it was on last night? That first episode was a bore. It wasn't really good last night. You hate the bills. And I hate the bills.

And I don't, like, I don't want, I know what's going to happen, Greg. They're going to make Josh Allen into this, like, he's a cool guy. He's a good guy. They did. They have. And I don't want to like Josh Allen. I hate the bills. I don't want to like him.

I feel like the whole Hard Knocks franchise is on fumes. And I've thought this for you. years. It was an innovative idea. It had its run. I don't watch it anymore. You want to take a sip of your call? You want to take a sip your wallet? It's just now what are you saying, man, you know? I am getting emotional. I'm talking about it. I'm just thinking about Bobby Cipio right now. I still don't understand why your wife's ex-boyfriend was sleeping over your house, but it's a long story. Am I the only one who doesn't like Hard Knocks anymore? I'm not riveted to it. No, I haven't seen it before. I don't trust it. I don't trust that it's that it's 24-hour access, that it's going to be a tell-all.

That it's going to do... Chris, not this one either? No, this is a useless sound montage. What do you... What was that music? Useless sound montage. All right, you played the two that you can't. Find literally any other one.

Oh, that's better. Yes. Thank you. That's what I'm talking. All right. Yes. It works. Speaking of what you were talking about.

Oh, I'm so into the music. No, I'm done with it. I don't trust it. I don't think it's going to be edited. Well, you don't trust it like you think they're lying to you? I think that they're showing us only as much of what really goes on as they want. You know, if Josh Allen says anything or does anything that's embarrassing after the fact they're going to say, no, no, no, no, edit that out.

I just don't think it's as revealing as it pretends to be. They did show Vante Davis, like, sobbing, asking for his grandma after being traded. Yeah, okay. That was also 15 years ago. Yeah, every once in a while. Every once in a while you get a moment, but it's almost like I've seen this before. There's two dolphins hard knocks ago. Yeah, it's just like...

Rest in peace, Monte Davis. Just give me the games, you know? I don't want to see all that background. I don't want to see the sausages made. You know, I love driving a sports car. I don't want to see the car assembled at the plant. You know what I mean? I don't, I want to watch a football game.

I think most people have sports cars are the opposite. Like, they're really into the sports cars and like all the like nooks and crannies. They're sports cars. Oh. You know. That kind of thing? Yeah, that kind of thing. Yeah.

No, you're right. Tony, let's go. The hard-knocks thing, I get what you're saying. They're trying to make Josh Allen. He's the MVP. He's an incredible player. They're making him super likable. He's got this wife.

He's already got Haley Steinfeld. She's a superstar in Hollywood. It's like, what else can the guy have? He's got everything. What is he missing? He's got a good... He turned out more money. He was like, no, I'll take a little bit less so the other people...

Enough. I mean, what is she done after pitch perfect? Well, she's just... She's just a hit movie. Yeah, an overrated movie. Anyways, this weekend's episode of Hard Knocks, nice. The problem is, Zaz, you got the stars are obviously the lower tier guys and trying to make the roster, trying to fight for a spot,

so you get enamored with their store. You got like KJ Hamler, who's been fun. You got the little scooter. I don't know if you've been watching that. Joe Andresen, Buffalo Joe, been a fun little thing. They actually gave a shout-out to the Bustin on the Boys Pod. They were on this episode of Hard Knocks. And to make Josh Allen feel even better and seem even better,

I think it was Taylor Lawans. He's like, yeah, I've got a little ranch, you know, 13 acres, whatever. And Josh is like, yeah, I've got a place out in Central California's 1,500 acres. But I don't want to talk about it. You know, whatever. Hate that thing. And it's like, oh, sorry, dude, you're 1,500 acres and all those money. And you're just cool guy.

Everything's cool. But major plot line, James Cook, now paid. I don't think they hit on that at all in episode one. Kind of feels like an important thing when you're top running back with 16 touchdown last year. Episode two, they dive into it. Okay. Brandon Bean's like, yeah, he's doing a hold in, not a hold in. out, so he's in meetings or whatever, and you kind of see him

there, and then he'll just, like, fade out of screen, and you're like, oh, where do you go? Oh, he's not in the meeting anymore. Is Sean McDermott the most boring coach in the NFL? Pretty boring. Visually, he is. He's a boring guy. You know, it's a nice guy. He's a hard worker. Western New York, lunch pail type of guy.

So James Cook signed a deal. Same, James Cook. Same do I think that Kyron Williams got. Okay. Four for 48. All right. A big deal there. So on a couple more headlines. He's from Nebraska, by the way. not Western New York. Yeah, but he's in Western New York now.

He's an Omaha man. Oh, yeah. Once at Omaha man, always in Omaha, man. Jordan Love, sneakily, had a procedure on his left thumb, had surgery on his left thumb, and we're trying to figure out if he's going to be ready for week one. They say he is, but again, injuries linger. I got to tell you, I'm out on this Jordan, Love.

Really? Yeah, really. Yeah, really. Why? Well, you know, he had eight good games, and they're like, here's all the money. You know, Tuatunga by Loa gets all the, in the same all season when they both got paid, Tua gets all this criticism.

We don't know if he's worth it. You saw eight games of Jordan Love. Nobody questioned it. And then the very next year, last year, it wasn't that great last year. I agree with you. I think he's got a lot to prove with that contract. Whoa, whoa, whoa. This room does not agree.

He won a playoff game. I understand. I know. There's a lot more. You compared him to Tua. Tua, just make the playoffs. All right. He won a playoff game.

Great. He has one more playoff win than Tua. You say no to that trade, though? I mean, it's obvious trade. Jordan Love or Tua? Yeah, like just heads up, you'd do that if you're the dolphins. Nope. Oh, I would do it.

No. I mean, Tua's resume overall is better than Jordan Love. If you add in collegiate, yeah. No, I'm not adding in collegiate. You're saying just NFL resume. He's going with my eyes? My eyes. I would go Jordan.

In terms of passing yards, Tua's probably got him beat. I mean, Tua did have a monster season. Well, according to every stat he would have him beat. I mean, Jordan Love has been a starting quarterback for two years in the league. Yeah, I think Tua is better than Jordan Love. I think everyone else, though, would take Jordan Love over Tua. Like outside of Miami, I don't think there's a question if you're given the two.

And they did play, as mentioned earlier. Wolf. Didn't go well. Tony, what else he got, Jordan Love having surgery? Naji Harris. Remember he had a firework accident July 4th? Oh, is he like a cyclops now? We haven't seen him yet.

Lacerated his eye. I don't know what happened there. I'd say there was a facial injury. You didn't hear that? You got shot in the eye with a firework? Something happened. He's a cyclops now. Yeah, we don't know exactly what happened.

He doesn't know how many eyes he has. He was blinded? I don't know, blinded, but he had some damage to the eye. They've been really coy about what the injury is. They have. All we know is, I think Drew Rosenhouse said that it's a, what's it called? Superficial. Yes.

It's a superficial eye injury. Meanwhile, we haven't seen him yet. There's something about Drew, man. I don't know what it is. It's magical. Yeah. Just to be clear, Jordan Love, because of Tua's injuries, had a much better season than Tua last year. That's one year.

Two has been a start in this league for four plus years. I mean, I'd say that this is off to a fairly consistent start for Jordan Love as a starter, and we still have questions about two. Jordan Love was, that's my whole point. Jordan Love was nothing special last year, and no one's, everyone's on board with Jordan Love being this franchise quarterback, and there's still a million questions about Tua. Rightfully so, by the way. Like, it's totally, it's totally sensible to question to a. But Jordan Love, oh, we're all convinced. We're convinced, he's the guy.

He says, you know how this is going to land. You're the anti-Jordan Love guy now. I don't care. Whatever. Go on label me that. Pacanation's going to be all up on you. Come at me. You know who's in that same category as Jordan Love?

He's the guy who everybody thinks is great Justin Herbert. What has Justin Herbert done? He is overrated right now. He's falling off a little bit. He's falling off. Big year coming, though. Yeah, he's falling off. Well, he has, but.

Like, for me, I think Tua is just as good as... So you would say no to that trade, too? You guys are taking crazy pills in there. Many people wouldn't say that. If you can tell me, Tua makes the Pro Bowl his only season of complete health, if you can tell me Tua stays healthy, I think he's a top 10 quarterback in the league. Herbert has appeared in two playoff games, O and 2, and not just O and 2, but embarrassing losses in both of them.

The first one blew a 27-0. I was there. I was in person. How was that? Big game. Oh, I lost so much money. That screwed me out of so much money. We won big time there.

Can you admit? Wolder's response to me. If Tua blew a 27-0-0 lead in the playoffs, they throw them at the league. All right. Justin Herbert, that was his first playoff game. And Justin Herbert's second playoff game last year, he had three interceptions all of the regular season. Guess how many interceptions he had in the playoff game last year?

And if you go under three and a half, you're a loser. Zazz, Skyler Thompson. has more career postseason passing yards than Tua. I don't know what to do with that information. It's a weird set. Because it doesn't help your Tua narrative. Well, look, no, I'm not trying to tell you that Tua is definitely this franchise quarterback. The point I'm making is I don't understand why guys like Jordan Love were convinced that they are.

Because I see Jordan Love move out of the pocket and I'm like, okay, decent. When Tua does it, I go, oh no! That's fair. That's one. That's one reason. That's fair. Everything has to go perfect for Tua. Like, these other guys, they can kind of, you know, make a good play out of a bad play.

They can color outside the lines a little bit more than Tua can. That's what I was looking. Which is, if Tua starts coloring outside of the lines, we've seen what happens, and it's not always good. I think what Zazzo's saying is when he colors inside the lines, he's so much better. It's great color inside the lines. When he colors outside the lines, it's like another book that he's coloring. These guys, when they color outside the lines, like, oh, come on, sweetie, just a little bit over more. Don't do so much of the zigzag.

Just, you know, try to follow the line. Well, the one thing I think we can all agree on, and I think Dolphin fans feel this way, it was the same with Ryan Tanyhill. You went seven years with Tanyhill going, is he good? How good is he? And it's the same with Tua. Halfway through his NFL career almost, largely for health reasons, you're going, is Tua that good?

Is he all that? Can we win with Tanya? So, that's fair. The pocket stuff has nothing to do with health, though. Like he's just bad out of the pocket You see Jaden Daniels You see Josh Allen When he's out of the pocket

Good golly It's pretty Okay but they don't want him out of the pocket Because they don't want him sacked And get another concussion That's the game though You gotta be able to do that stuff Well he's limited

That's what like when yes When Tua has a perfect three step drop Yes he's accurate Like no one denies that But that's not how football works Right Did anyone overestimate their value More than Ryan Tannahill thinking

Like oh I went from like You know I was on a playoff team a couple years ago to like, you know what, I'm, I'm only going to, I'm only going to sign with a team that's in contention where I'm going to start. Yeah, and he's going to keep waiting. Like, just go back up, Patrick. You notice he was not in retired or not retired. Well, because he still thinks that someone's going to come calling or is like, oh, you know, Ryan, we have this ready made playoff team and just we need a driver and it's you. That's not going to happen, Ryan Tannehill. Sign elsewhere right now.

Tannahill would have been great for retired or not retired, but he's also a good example of how sometimes you don't retire. The NFL retires you because they don't want it anymore. It's a far. Different game, though. Someone would 100% take Ryan Tannahels a backup today, but he wants to be a starter on a team in contention. Like, when the Steelers don't have a quarterback

and they're not calling you because they're waiting around for Aaron Rogers, like, that's a sign, buddy, you're not going to get a starting call right now. Just take a backup job, hope that your quarterback gets injured, sign with a team where the quarterback's going to get hurt. And then in two years, you'll be a starter again. And frankly, if I would rather have in Miami backing up Tua, I would rather have Tannahill than Zach Wilson. I don't think I'm alone there.

I don't think they bring him back just because of that. Yeah. They don't want that problem for Tua. Tua, like with the backup situation, I don't know this, but like part of it is kind of like they need a backup that's not going to be a threat to Tua. That none of the fans wants. They've been doing a bad job going too far. They've been going too far in the opposite direction where it's like, okay, this person's not a threat at all.

And also this person seems incompetent in the filling in this role situation because none of his, none of his backups have been good with this system, right? That's true to that. Quinn Ewers was bad. That was not this system. That was not as bad as everybody's making him seem. In the preseason game, it was terrible. No, he wasn't. He was hitting people in the hands.

They were dropping passes. Yeah, I don't think he was that bad. He wasn't terrible. He lost two fumbles. That was not good. One of them was a sack on Fort Down. He was in possession anyway. It was a bad game for Quinnier.

If you're looking for the most optimistic spin you could possibly have for Tua in his career, if you're looking at a guy who isn't necessarily known for being out of the pocket, was considered undersized, accurate thrower. First four seasons as a starter only starts one playoff game, loses that game. Drew Brees. The rest of his career escalates from there, and he goes down as one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. That's not saying that's what two is going to be, but over the course of the first five seasons,

oh and one in the playoffs, really accurate passer. Theoretically, it can go better from here. The difference being it took Drew Brees changing franchises and going from then San Diego to New Orleans. I'm going to go on the record. Sometimes you've got to go on the record. I'm going on the record here because we're talking about Jordan Love. Green Bay Packers this year last in the NFC North. Behind the bears?

On the record. On the record. Yeah, if I said last, that would be behind the Bears. You're not moving the divisions. You remember they're in that division. This has potential. It has real potential to be an embarrassing look for you. I cannot wait for this audio.

In the NFC North. I cannot wait for this audio. There's only one way that it does it if they're actually last in the North. That's right. That's right. I hope Jordan Love wins MVP. In fact, I'm putting it in a lot. That's not a terrible prediction.

Because if Caleb Williams has a much better season, which he will, the Bears have a very good chance to be appreciated how you like your ally I mean it's not what I was hoping for but we'll see it remains to be seen wait to see him so much

I don't know what I'm just speaking of truth that's all it is talking about hate you know it's you're a hater it's basically just are the bears gonna be better than the Packers

is Caleb Williams going to be better than Jordan Love is basically what the best Jordan Wade over here that's right I'm not senior Tony I'm not senior Tony the Packers who win three games

maybe the Packers win eight games last in the NSD North that's what I'm saying Tony, go ahead. Getting back to Nashi Harris. Superficial eye injury for July 4th of the fireworks. Back in practice, back doing drills, back running again.

So good to see. Is he wearing a patch? Good for him. We don't know if he's wearing a patch or not. Like a pirate? You have to wear a patch. He's probably wearing a visor. So nobody kind of gets in there with a hand.

But I don't think a patch is working. That's a dirty move because a lot of things happen in the bottom of a file for a running back. You've got to get to Willis McGaheyie all black. You remember when he used to play with the Ravens? He had the all black visor. How did they not ban that? Did they? I think they might have.

You have to have a prescription, I believe. They ban everything that's fun. What if you got one eye? I feel like they can make... You get half. That's a disability. I feel like, yeah, I think Billy's right. You have half a visor.

Now you have to supply your own visor. Can't be good for a running back to have one eye. You can't play a running back with one eye, right? You got to play with two. I don't know. You sleep with one eye open, and that's a good thing. I'm trying to hit the hole. You got to see both eyes.

Do you do anything else with one eye open? Hey. Yeah, like when you're doing archery. Skeet shooting, too. Yeah, skeeting. Hmm. Yeah. Any other headlines, Tony?

A couple of tertiary headlines here. Tyrod Taylor. Yeah, that's true. Tyrod Taylor has surgery. He's done for the preseason. And Rondale Moore, season ends again on a knee injury with the Vikings. I think we've tapped all the interest on the list of things. Nobody cares about it.

No, I care about Rondell Moore. I care about Rondale Moore. Yeah. Remember that. college game day piece that they did on Purdue and the cancer situation Ronald Moore had a hell of a game. Purdue is America's team for one brief night

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that they won the division. Guess what? It's been two years, and that's two years too long. Stugats. You can take that ass too? Oh, we're taking two asses. This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugats. Tonight, tonight is this new heights, right?

Tonight's this new heights episode with the Kelsey brothers that Taylor Swift talking about this for like, 36 hours now, that's happening tonight, right? Is that going to be, like, is this going to be like the most listened to podcast ever? I mean, I, like when I say that, it sounds like a stupid thing to say, but I don't know, it feels like maybe it's going to be like this massive, massive listen. They already jumped up in the podcast charts to number one just off the news. Like, they were five or six, like, not that I track these things.

But yeah, yesterday, they skyrocketed it up before it even came out. And the timing is not coincidental. Taylor Swift just announced that she's got a brand new album coming out. There you go, Dad. Nothing gets by you. The album is going to be number one for several weeks. It's a guarantee. And she could be on for 10 seconds and say nothing.

And just the fact that they can advertise her being on is going to make this just... You really got your thumb on the pulse of this story. Well, I mean, what am I missing? No, he knows. It's not a coincidence that, you know, she's coming on the same time. The timing is, yeah, also happens to be, you know, coming out of an album. I don't know. Makes sense. Yeah.

Are you guys going to listen to this episode? No. No, no. I might. I might. Yeah? How? I'm a Swifty.

I'm a Closet Swifty. Are you? Wow. Is your coming out here? Name three of her songs. I don't want to take a quiz, but I admire her. I think she's a great business woman. I like her music.

I think she's very talented. On the list of things that you admire about her, what is the power ranking? Because you said that businesswoman was the first thing that you did, and then you said, I got to like her music. I mean, she's, she had all that stuff with her. where she lost the rights to her music for a while. She made the most of that. She's a billionaire, which isn't usual in the music industry. She sort of has traversed from a country-type feel to very much a pop feel.

Gone. So she's genre-bending. I just think she's very admirable. Yeah. Did you see on her tour, she gave the truck drivers like a bonus of like $100,000 stuff? Very charitable. Very tailor. It's very tailored.

I feel like if we ask chat GPT about this Taylor still, we would have gotten everything my dad just said. You're very critical today. I know. Today. I'm glad you chastise him. This is the one episode in sports content history that everyone's looking forward to that you actually don't have to listen to if you're in media

and you'll know everything that happens on this episode because everything's going to get clipped. Every single thing, everything that she says, you will know. You don't actually have to download this episode. Now, is it going to be like an in-studio appearance? or she's going to be on her own separate Zoom? She's with... Yeah, in the clip, she's next to Travis.

It would have been great if she was with Jason and Travis was available via Zoom. So if she's going to be with Travis, it'll be a little bit like when you were sitting on the same side of the booth with your wife then. That's a very good point by you. They're just like that. Just like that.

You are the original Travis and Taylor. You know what? Like you guys. Just a bunch of hutslots, whatever it's called. It's a love story. Probably my favorite song of hers. now that I think of it just popped into my mind. That was good.

That was impressive. See, I'm not criticizing that. That was good. That was impressive. Okay, so that's interesting that you say that, because it reminds me, I want to talk about a couple shows on TV right now, and I'm reminded of The Bear, because that song was in the television show, The Bear. I'm watching The Bear Season 4 right now.

Has anyone watched it? Does anyone finish season? How did you make it to a fourth season of that? Oh, you bailed on it? Yes. Season 3 was not good. I bailed after two. I heard season three is out.

Oh, season two is good. It's halfway through season two. I'm like, I get it. Really? I'm the only one that's still with the bear? There's a lot that goes into making a sandwich. I'm good. It's not that intense.

I've worked in a restaurant. Wow. We get it. You're out of fries. I'm the only one. I'm still hanging on to the bear, but I will say this. What's ludicrous to me is they classify that as a comedy. The last season was some of the darkest show on TV.

It was depressing. It was somber. Pumpernickel shortage or something. Crazy. That's not a... Cousin! Chef! I got it. Yes, chef, yes, chef, yes, chef.

Behind! Wow, I can't believe. You guys are all out on the bear. I'm, I think, seven episodes through season four. I'll probably finish it tonight. How many of the episodes do they have a stressful situation in the kitchen of those that you've seen? I'll be honest with you, this season four so far, I don't think there's been any stressful situations in the kitchen. I might come back then.

Is there an actual character development, or is that a lot of? Not a thing they'd pay attention to either. I think season four it's back. Like season three was not great. It wasn't what the first couple seasons were. I feel like they're back with the season. I don't know what back means for that show. It's just not for me.

It means it's good again. No, it's just not for me. All right, that's fine. Give it another chance. Remember the promise of the first year and give it another chance. Nah. The acting is so good in this show. I do like the actors. I do like the actors. I will say Lots of cameos. The first couple episodes were gripping.

Oh, so good. I was into it. I'm like, I think I really like this show. And then towards like the end of the first season, I'm like, all right, that's a good start off point. And then, like, I saw the first four episodes of season two. I'm like, all right, so it's just the same thing. So you never even got to the fishes episode in season two? That's the Christmas episode.

What, they had a fish special? Seven fishes, Christmas? You never got to the Christmas episode? Oh, my God. Why is it called the bear? That's a restaurant? Well, and the family is named Berzado. Oh, like the rat.

All right. Rat Skel. I apologize. Art is subjective. Those people, actually, the actors do a really great job on that show, and a lot of people like it. I'm the weirdo. I like it a lot.

You're fine. But there's another show that just debuted last night, which I've been looking forward to. It's coming out, I guess, every single week, but a double episode premiere came out yesterday. I haven't watched it yet, but I'm going to watch it really soon because me and my boys are looking forward to it. There's a new alien. Oh, dude, the reviews for this are sick. Very, very high scores, right? Alien Earth.

I love the Alien franchise. Me too. I thought Romulus was my favorite movie last year. Romulus is an excellent movie. That was my favorite movie that came out of here. That's a proper alien movie. There's a great alien movie, and I've ratcheted up expectations for this show. This Alien Earth, I saw the IMDB scores.

They're like in the nines. You know who was in this show? Who? Timothy Oliphant. Oh yeah, he's got like white hair. I love that dude. He's really good. Who's the guy that he looks like?

Timothy Oliphant looks like another guy. Yeah, Josh DeMell. No, that's who it is. They both get kind of confused for each other. You ever watch, Justified? Gagins is in that one. Yep. Is Gagins in Alien Earth?

No, he wouldn't make a great android then. Oh, that's too bad. Yeah, so no one has seen it yet, this Alien Earth just premier yesterday. So we've got the original alien movie. Yeah. Well, there's a bunch of them. But, like, there's the original one. And then all the other ones are playing off of this one.

So, like, where are we in the timeline of alien world? I don't know. I haven't watched the show yet last night. But, for instance, like, Alien Romulus, which came out last year, takes place between alien and aliens. Yeah. This is, but this TV series, in terms of timeline, second earliest on the timeline behind Prometheus, because Prometheus, well, I guess Prometheus had a sequel.

So those first two are first in the timeline. This happens before Ripley. Oh, okay. All right. All right. So this is, well, it's not in the past. It's in our past, but it's in the future because the alien's, the alien universe. It's in the cinematic timeline past, but in our future here because it hasn't happened yet. Do you understand how time works, Billy? I understand how time works. Usually there's a past and there's a future. But this you're saying is both. Yeah. Yeah, well, it's our past. The original alien is our past.

Because that movie came on the late 70s. but it takes place in the future because it's in like the year 2300 or something. That's a problem is that we're quickly getting to the future of the past. I mean, we are in the future of the past, but we now are living in times

that in cinema of yonder year this was the future. And to be honest with you, kind of disappointing. We haven't really made as much of the future as they were anticipating. I saw something on Instagram, like a tile, and I was on a gummy

and it just freaked me out. Oh, I think I know what this is. The universe already ended and we're just living in its echo. That's not what I saw. Do you think that can be true? Think about that. Let my boy cook what does that mean? The universe has already ended. Yeah. We're living in its echo. It just hasn't reached us. No, I feel you because when you see a star

that star has probably been dead for hundreds of millions of years and we don't know it and we're just seeing the light of it now from wherever it came from. And it's already dead. Right? These are the things I think about when I'm on 10 milligrams. No, but that doesn't, I don't understand. the universe is already over pal yeah Bill you understand how time works we'd be over if the universe was over no no no it's like a plane going overhead yeah you see it go overhead and then a little bit later you hear the

sound because the speed of sound yeah but I'm like I'm moving my hands I'm not dead yeah but you understand like when they say like oh that's you know like 200 million light years away yeah but the start you're just seeing it I'm living this so it's not someone could be seeing this light years from now you're in an echo someone can be seeing it but I'm still doing this so someone will see this in light years. You know how like... I'm presently still alive.

Right. But you know how in disaster movies, like an asteroid hits the earth? Yeah. Right? And where it hits, like that spot gets blown up. Yeah, they're dead. And it takes like a couple minutes to catch up to like the other coast. Yeah.

That's what's happening now. But just extrapolate that over hundreds of light years, hundreds of millions of light years, and the time... No, but you are alive still. They will experience it in light years, but you're still alive for. right now. Yes. When they experience it, you might be dead, but you're still alive. Oh, we're going to live out our lives, hopefully, on this earth, despite the universe being dead. Another concept of time that is under-mulled is the fact that there really is no such

thing as the present, because what I'm saying right now is instantly in the past, and what I'm about to say is in the future. So the present, as we define it, the present is fleeting. It's gone. What I just said? The past. Now, the few... You know what I'm saying? There's no present. No, there is a present. In the present. It's just very short-lived. What you just said is in the past. Yes, but it was present when I said it.

Now it's in the past. Are you guys on gummies now? What's going on? I did go to clips last night. What is that? Is that a hair-cutting place? No. That'd be nice, though. It's oasis for... Well, it's like blow-a-asus. So to sum up, I'm not the only one excited for Alien Earth. I'll check it out.

You will not check it out. Of course I will. You're not a sci-fi guy. It's not for you. Look at all these amazing things that we're creating, even though the universe is over. Tony, best sci-fi movie? Oh, I don't know. Yeah, big sci-fi guy, yeah.

So many to choose from. There's a thousand movies. It's like Greg's love for Taylor Swift. The original Predator. That's a great one. It's a great summer. Good answer. That's my favorite sci-fi movie, too.

I do like, the end of the Matrix. Matrix is fun. I like The Matrix. Good answer, too. We could also be living in that, even though the universe is over. We are. This could all be a simulation. Which pill did you take?

The 10 milligram one, I thought. Hey. Don Lebatard. Imagine if someone told you you couldn't have a Corvette. Stugats. I'm a grown-ass man who's not filthy rich. I can't afford a Lamborghini. Well, I probably can, but that's possible.

Hey. Hey, wow. You know, what that? This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. Did we Dana White spoke yesterday, right? I'm more confused than ever, pal. So Dana White spoke yesterday.

Greg, you know that there are all these new streaming deals that have been announced. We've been talking about it a lot here, ESPN and WWE, ESPN NFL, which, by the way, I saw yesterday. Someone said the ESPN NFL thing may not take place until 2027. Boy, way to get my hopes up. That's a couple years away. But now we know where Red Zone is.

No, we don't. Where is Red Zone? If it happens in 2027, Red So it's going to be right in Hulu, right where we want it. And then we also found out most recently that UFC has a deal with Paramount for $7.7 billion over seven years. Greg wrote a column on this. Oh, did you? I did. I did.

in today's Miami Herald, if you want to take a look at it, double the ESPN deal right now with UFC. It's, I'm telling you, I don't particularly, no offense, Tony, I'm not a huge UFC fan. I don't particularly have much admiration for Dana White, but respect, this league, led by him, this sport is taken over the world. It's global. It's global in a way that the NFL and NBA aspire to be. I mean, UFC's a monster.

But no offense, Tony. No, you kind of made all my points for me. I know that's why you were like kind of praising. I did see Ariel Hawani though on, I think he was on with Bill Simmons, where he was kind of saying like, well, this is going to be an interesting stretch for them with CBS and Paramount because in terms of like social where they get aggregated, there's a lot of clips. ESPN's social reach combined across their platforms is over 300 million where the Paramount and CBS is only like 30 million. So while they are getting a lot more money, is this going to be a thing where now, they lose exposure, they lose it being out there. And then he was also comparing it to when ESPN lost NHL.

What if ESPN just decides, you know what? Now we're not going to cover UFC anymore. And then what happens to the sport if they don't have as much reach and the largest media entity covering sports just decides we're not going to cover it for the time being, like they did with hockey for a little bit. Could that be possible? Do you think that could be the case that ESPN will take a step back? Because proof of concept like Billy highlighted, they stop paying attention to hockey

altogether. Yeah, but I think the main difference of that, though, is there's still a major gambling aspect when it comes to UFC. I think they'll send like maybe a personality or two to big-time fights, I mean big fights, and they'll break it down in a way that there's a model there for ESPN before they had the rights where they tried to pay attention to it, but it had to be a mega fight. But the gambling was not as huge then. That's a fair point, but they tend to just talk NFL, MBA, and if they have the rights, they'll use that programming to kind of pump people there. They did it. They use First Take a lot, even with like their boxing. You'll all of a sudden see a boxing segment out of nowhere because they have the rights to push that. If they

have no rights to it, they are not incentivized to it. And you may actually see a lot of that time that was dedicated to the UFC, go to the other TKO property, WWE. But here's where I'm confused. We were told this is the end of the pay-per-view era. Could. You go behind this. You go behind this paywall you go behind this paywall you get everything which is massive for the sport because you can kind of tangentially follow this sport now where I'm not gonna spend you know 60 some odd dollars on every 90 bucks really 90 is it that much it's 79 99 plus tax ends up being 90 50 I'm not gonna know a guy yeah I'm not gonna do that for every card I've done that for maybe four cards a year but

now if you're if it's coming with my Paramount Plus I don't have to feel like I gotta be dialed into this I gotta watch this it can go up on a second screen and I could just pay attention there. I think it's going to be huge. No paper views. That's amazing. That's a win for the consumer. Dana White came out yesterday and he said, Not so fast, my friend, on the pay-per-view thing. He reserves a right to still do pay-per-view events. Can we figure this stuff out when we are announcing these things? It's big fights, Mike. That's what you're going to be looking at. But the big fights are supposed to, that's what the seven points. That's what the money's for. Yes. I mean, they're getting $7.7 billion and they still

may have to charge us for paper views? Yes, but if you're talking about something so big, something so massive that you can charge $100, 120 bucks for a pay-per-view setting like July 4th, White House Lawn, biggest card of all time, if they can put all these massive fights together, all of a sudden you're looking to be like, yeah, we're not going to hide that behind 1399 at Paramount, we're going to charge $100 for it. Better be Trump fighting for $100. And people are going to, they're going to buy it. It's got to be 1776, not a penny more, not a penny less. Who's Trump's going to $1,700 bucks? This could be $250 for the anniversary.

Trump versus Greg Gote. I'd pay for that. You saw this other thing? Who wins? There's an ESPN plus Fox team up streamer now, too. Yeah, I saw that. You know, that's different than the one that got shut down where it was Fox, ESPN, and HBO. What are we doing?

What am I paying for? Stop announcing streamers that don't exist yet. I need proof of concept. What is this going to look like? How much? Stop scaring me. stop scaring me into what I'm going to pay for why are these

Mike we're going to go back to the future we're going to just get cable like alien like alien exactly Billy you understand how time works now you see it right we're going back to the future anyways let's really quick about the paramount thing and I think Billy brought up an interesting point it's Ariel's I stole it from Ariel

sure but like the point that you made that Ariel made that you brought here to us right now the 300 million across all platforms when it comes to social versus CBSes and Paramounts 30 million is in a very interesting point where they are probably the most social media friendly sport because of the of the instantaneous way in things happen right knockout submission this that you don't need the buildup of an NFL play an NBA play a major league baseball play soccer this

that it's like six seconds boom you're out and you're going to get seen a million times over right so I think what the UFC is doing is they're betting saying I think as a brand socially We're big enough that wherever we go, people are going to follow and people are going to go look at the things on those pages, right? I don't think ESPN is the end-all be-all when it comes to UFC or MMA social clips. They can put that out on their own stuff. CBS can do whatever they want, but it just feels like that's the bet they're making is we're big enough where we can do it on our own and it doesn't really matter. And, you know, this impresses me too about this deal, about UFC getting a billion dollar a year deal because, it comes at a time when a public perception, and Ariel Halwani has said this, UFC is looking for

its next big superstar. They're on a little bit of a lull right now. I believe they found it. Okay, but that's the perception. They just got set out billion dollars. I know, but that's faith in the brand. Like even if they don't have all of the big superstars right now, that's faith in the brand. UFC is so big, so global, so prominent. Even if it's in a temporary lull, the faith in the brand is 7.7 billion. That's impressive. And it's growing, right? Like, you're, you're not seeing all these American fighters becoming champions. You're seeing worldwide dominance from all over the globe, and people are falling in love in growth. They got a bunch of Arab fighters. My son loves the Arab fighters. Big one this weekend. Now is a good time to remember where Tequila's

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