The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Would You Die On That Hill? (feat. Jemele Hill)

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

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This is the Dan Leventor Show with the StuGuts Podcast. I have been told that we have secured Dan Graziano. He will be joining us in about an hour so that Billy can accuse him to his face and Tony can accuse him to his face of lying about his workouts. Falsehoods, no, I said I was more impressed by this than anything.

I came in raving about Dan Graziano and his commitment to fitness. Tony's the one here calling him a liar for some reason. I didn't say liar. I said, backtracking. No, no, I said, does he take liberties with the app sometimes? Sure. Does he maybe do it on a Christmas morning? Do a full Peloton workout? I like that Chris. Keep working on that. Just the shouting of backtrackers. Yes, when we secure a

guest in an hour and all of a sudden the commentary, I've been watching Stu gots do that one for years What do you get out of calling Dan Graziano a liar about working out never called him that are you jealous of like him being? Committed to fitness like what is it? What what's your problem with him? I don't have a problem with him whatsoever, and I know what you're doing not gonna fall for it Well you did accuse him of lying about working out every day on his peloton and and Greg Cody I think said it was flatly bullshit. No, I said he was a braggart. Well, but you accuse someone of bullshit.

Again, there's backtracking everywhere around here. Well, he said Skip was full of shit when he said he's only missed two days since 1982 and that he invented weightlifting in 1980, whatever. Well, Jermell Hill can answer some of these questions. She knows some of these people involved. She's got new episodes of her podcast every week on iHeart, Spolitics, or is it Spolitics?

It's Spolitics? No, it's Spolitics, you said it right. It's on Eric Spolstra and SpowTracker. Is it politics? It's clearly Eric Spolstra talks politics with Jermell Hill, it's great. Exactly. The political analysis you've been dying to hear.

Signing up right now, subscribing right now. It's huge, you should see. Filipino Jackson is huge in the Philippines. This podcast is so popular, the politics of the Philippines they talk about. You can also subscribe to her YouTube channel at It's Jermell Hill. She's a contributing writer for the Atlantic.

And I've got a number of things to talk about with her and to play a new game, because I don't think she knows this. But at the end, at ESPN, whenever it is I was having an argument with any kind of executive, I would say, oh, I'm willing to die on that Jermell Hill. So we're going to play with Jermell Hill, would you die on that Hill in a moment.

But can you tell me what America's rooting for in basketball here? Because I am deathly afraid that for one of the first times in my life, maybe since 9-11, I'm feeling America root for New York sports teams. I think you would be right about that. I mean, we know the networks are certainly rooting for the Knicks to make this,

but I feel like a little bit of both because I do think that there is an element of fans or a faction of fans, I should say, who want to see something different, who appreciate the fact that OKC not being from a major market or Minnesota not being in a major market, that, you know, Midwest, Southwest teams, or even Indiana, the fact that somebody very non-traditional can make it.

And I realize the Knicks also have not been in this position in a long time. They haven't won a championship since the early 70s. But it feels like people are sort of ready for that something different. But yeah, unfortunately, the majority of people are rooting for the Knicks. It's a little hard for me. While I do understand and appreciate

what Knicks fans have been through, this is a very triggering to see them in this position because I'm a Pistons fan. So obviously I had to go through that series. And so seeing them experience and success is both good and bad because part of it is that like the Pistons gave them a very tough series. On the other end of it is sort of like you know when your enemy makes it further you naturally are disgusted by it. So I'm torn between two things here when it comes to the New York Knicks. Okay, hold on a second. The league media certainly wants New York but you're

telling me we're watching videos of Knicks fans throw trash at other fans outside. They're throwing trash at Brian Windhorst walking out the arena and the majority of people are you think are rooting for New York? I think a lot of people are. And by the way, Brian Winhorse, as you all know, who is one of the nicest human beings on Earth, and for that to happen to him is really baffling. And it's sort of, I mean, it's definitely classless by some of those Knicks fans. But yeah, I mean, I do, I think there is a contingent of people who like seeing teams who haven't won in a long time generally win things.

Now I would be curious outside of New York, and I don't even know, I mean, I think the media is beating this drum of like, well, the Knicks haven't won since the early 70s, Mecca basketball, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't know that if you are a Laker fan or if you're in other parts of the country, if you give a shit that the Knicks win a title,

like I don't know that to be the case, but I do know that generally speaking, American sports fans appreciate and like it when there is a new name that is in the mix to win a championship because it typically gives those fans something to hope for in their own right, in their own regard with their own teams. I want to attack a couple of the things

that she just mentioned there. Windhorst, I think, one of the great underestimations of my lifetime has been knowing that people hate the media, but not knowing how much people hate the media. Like I knew, I knew it was bad, but what they think of the media but not knowing how much people hate the media like I knew I knew it was bad but what they think of the media if you're mad and you put Brian Windhorst in your tool Hall of Fame the inaugural member Jamel is correct when she says Brian Windhorst is regarded by others in this industry as one of the

sweetest fairest person persons who. And to have him thrown trash at only because he's a symbol for ESPN and the Knicks are 0 and 8 on ESPN and they don't like Stephen A. Smith very much because his fandom feels bandwagony and insincere and so Wind Horse just becomes an easy person to be bullied. No, I mean look, I'm very immature in general and I did not like seeing that video. It really bothered me. I mean, okay, you put the fake microphone, I don't care who you want, like okay, and everybody has a good laugh,

but like they're throwing trash in them as he's walking away, that's garbage, I don't like that. It is garbage, it's literally garbage. I don't like it. I don't know if you have any other thoughts on this, Jamel, but the point I wanted to make about New York being an underdog Is you just never see this you never see it

Maybe Isaiah Thomas the player that size never gets to be the winner in that sport That's not how that works Jalen Brunson can't be the smallest player on the court and the biggest when it matters only Isaiah who else other than Isaiah Iverson got a run at it But you're just not allowed to be that size and win the championship in that sport. But I think that adds to this idea about people rooting for the Knicks,

that America is pulling for the Knicks. It's like Jaylen Brunson, I remember when he went to the Knicks, and there was a lot of questions about whether or not he deserved that kind of money. Like, why would a guy like this make this much money and be considered the star of this kind of franchise? And so because he has that Underdark story in his own right, combined with a major city

that has not won a championship in a long time, I think it's fueling a lot of the fandom outside of New York that is there for the Knicks. And so, you know, I think he's, the trajectory of his career is just really fascinating because not only is he an underdog in terms of size, but I think he's very much an underdog in terms of how we think of who is supposed to be a star in the NBA. And he does not fit the criteria, the typical criteria that we are used to seeing, given what his trajectory in his career has been.

Zazz is right though, you don't want these particular people to be louder. Halliburton has already bought tickets and is flying Pacers fans, plural, who had trash thrown on them to the game in New York. New York has been unreasonable about its few victories in the last 25 years. By the way, you know that Pacer fan right there

is a firefighter in New York City. They're throwing trash at him! And roof of the Knicks. They don't know he's a firefighter. Okay, but still he is! Should've been wearing his hat, Greg's right. He should've rolled and dropped there, even though there's no fire nearby.

Stop droppin' roll, yeah. You should roll and drop all the movies, crazy. If you knew that the exchange was you were gonna get flown to an Easter Conference finals game for them throwing trash at you, would you take the trash? Yeah. How much trash? I mean, you gotta take the trash.

Well, but how much trash? Is it trash with juice? Yeah. That bag looked wet. Is it juicy trash? Because it's just trash. Well, but how much trash is it? Is it trash with juice? Yeah. That bag look wet. Is it juicy trash? Because it just trash. You guys are imagining a neatly wrapped bag being thrown at you, which is fine,

but now make it dumpster juice. It's like- If it was one person throwing trash at me, maybe. This was like hundreds of people walking at him and chasing him down. Imagine coming home stinking of dumpster juice and your wife says, what's going on? It's worth it, like I'm flown out to the game. Baby. We're going to the ECF

You smell like garbage, honey. It's okay though. We're going to be surrounded by it at the Mecca jerks throwing stuff at Brian I don't like it. I hated it really bothers me. I don't like that. Yeah This is so our team in the last I didn't actually see this version of it before. We're showing from behind people throwing stuff. I saw the side version where the guy was just in his face. Yeah, that's not a big deal. That version sucks. It sucks.

It sucks. It sucks. It sucks. It didn't hit him though. Oh, Tony. It would have been worse with dumpster juice. It would have been worse with dumpster juice. We can agree on that, right?

Empty bottle, one short. Man, he's like doing doing he's like speeding up his Walk to get away from the backpack with the sports coat is also Sports rider swag right there With all the little stickers they Nerd all right ladies and gentlemen here is the coolest guy any of us have ever seen I mean I try I don't wear a backpack. Yeah, because you write from home.

No, I mean, back in my day, the only people who wore backpacks were students carrying books. Why is everybody wearing a backpack now? Because nerds have briefcases now. Well, briefcases, that's a whole other story. I did it back in my day on briefcases. Why would you call Wind Horse a nerd? Well, only because he's wearing a suit with a backpack.

It just doesn't go. Jamel knows. Doesn't go. Remember, knows. It doesn't go. But remember though, this Greg, we were talking about back in my day, that they used to give the media, like at whatever event, the free swag was the roller laptop bag. So like I had the roller laptop bag. I didn't graduate to the backpack until later on in my writing career because that was frankly, that was a little easier to carry. But like him, you know, also wearing business casual clothing with the backpack

and the 9,000, you know, little bands that they put on your backpack because those are security passes or whatever. So I have very I have walked that walk that Brian Winher is walking. I've been in those particular shoes with the sport coat and the backpack. So I'm here to defend it. I'm sorry. I got to keep pushing. I think if you were to pull everyone, the Knicks would be third, maybe fourth as far as the teams that America wants to win.

You think OKC and Minnesota are above? I think they're one and two. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's one national team in this Final Four. It's the New York Knicks. They're a national team They're from the biggest city. They have transplants all over the country. They haven't won an NBA title in 50 years America wants the Knicks to win. Oh, I think I had paragraph. They're so unlikeable

Let's put it on the fan base fan base. Who do you want to win the championship put all four teams up there? People don't care about the fans. They don't care if Kn's fans are loud and boisterous. Oh, that's not true I rooted against both teams Boston and New York in the last series only because of their fans Well Toronto fans Maple Leaf fans are some of the worst in North America I mean don't get me started with that ask Marshawn about that. What happens if we get you started on that? I mean feel like you did about let's get him started. I don't think you have anymore. I think you're started and finished. I don't think you... I don't want to know what happens.

I thought Marshawn had a great quote when he said, those fans, meaning Toronto, heap all of the pressure on their own team. And I think it's absolutely true. Chuck said that too. That like, we don't have to deal with that here. It's unfair what they have to... It's been a little patronizing the way everyone's talking about the Leafs after

that there are some Leafs fans that are suggesting the way that Florida is going about this is so sick on it is twisted like pitying them they're trying to keep it also they're trying to keep this core together in Toronto and make excuses for the man it's you got, they're really close. You got to keep those guys together. Yeah, they'll blow it up. And their own coach says it's between the ears. The Panthers had them beat mentally.

Their own coach said that. I would say if Panthers players are saying, you know what, what the Maple Leafs fans are doing, putting pressure on them, we don't have to deal with that, that's more of an insult to Panthers fans. No, we know how to do it. We do it the right way. Or we don't care enough. don't have to deal with that. That's more of an insult to Panthers fans. No, we know how to do it. We do it the right way. Or we don't care enough.

I've got to be with Billy. I have not heard before, our customers care too much. Yeah, I'm saying you don't have that passion. And it's a disadvantage. It's a disadvantage at home in a game seven that our fans cared too much. I think they're all getting off of that press availability stage and laughing.

I mean they're throwing jerseys on the ice while play is going on throwing full beers onto the ice. They're booing their team in the second period. Because they allowed 75 shots they deserve to be booed. It's not between the ears why you can't get the puck out of your own zone for the first 15 minutes of the game. Paul Maurice, do you know how rare it is for a coach to advance and be like pitying the opponent because they're in their building and he's sad because he feels like he's attended a funeral, which he has. But he is a sensitive man. He also killed them, so.

That's, there's that. He's the murderer of both fun and the maple leaf. Is a murderer allowed to go to a funeral and be sad? Go ahead and put that on the poll and play. Yeah, put that one on the poll. Give her her intro music. It's taken too long to get here. It's time for your friendly neighborhood race lady. RG 3 against Ryan Clark. Ryan Clark goes after RG 3 because RG 3 has made the Fox pivot and is saying at every point, I keep it in the arena.

Ryan Clark did cross the line saying he doesn't talk to black women because he's married to white women. I do believe that is a line cross. Women. No, no. To be fair, Dan is encapsulating here. There's more to it. I believe that he's married and divorced.

I may be having that wrong. That is correct, man. Yes. And so I do believe that there, I want your analysis as a legitimate journalist on. And a legitimate black woman. That as well, yes. The line between something that's talked about

in the mainstream and something that's talked about in private because RG3yan clark is being discussed by people it's just not being discussed by people very well or very much on television well you know i i definitely understand uh... why are g three reacted and responded that way is i'm sorry miss somebody's family you're going to get a reaction that being said, I do notice in general, a lot of times, or enough times, I won't say a lot,

I don't wanna put too much on it, is that RG3 is very defensive about his marriage in a way as if he's hearing whispers or he understands how it looks. And he's brought his marriage into things before, right? Like him being in an interracial relationship. It feels like a lot of times he is apologizing for this or trying to defend this. And I'm like, who are you trying to defend it to, bro?

Like if that's who you chose to marry, be okay with it, stand on it, and that's the end of it. But in other things, he has done that, right? And so, which always strikes me as a bit strange that you would feel like you need to defend what you have clearly chosen. And I'm like, I don't think there's a legion of black women that have a problem with that.

Now that being said, I think the reason I understood why Ryan Clark brought that into the mix, whether or not it crossed the line. Yeah, I mean, I think you can easily make that point that it did. But I do get why he did because this Angel Rees, Caitlin Clark thing, which I was like, man, why, why did this happen? Like just a couple of days into the WNBA season, there is a lot of tropes, there's a lot of narratives, there's a lot of underlying racism that is going on underneath what we see or what should be just seen as purely a basketball rivalry. I would love if we could see it in that context. Like, Harfow, flagrant, understood why I was called. Yeah, that was a reaction. Let's move on. I would love for that

to be the case. But ever since they met in the national championship, that has not been the case. It is, you know, I know we made the comparisons to Magic and Bird. But I think it's even a little bit more intrinsic or a little bit more deeper than that because black women have been, are constantly up against certain tropes when it comes to behavior, when it comes to looks, when it comes to all these things. And you're talking about a majority, a league where the majority of women are black. You got a third of women who are LGBTQ plus. And the way that this league is often talked about, presented by people is a reflection of how people feel about those two groups. And Angel Reese is caught in the firestorm of that, particularly as she has this, whatever you want to call it,

rivalry with with Caitlin Clark. And there are narratives that are following Caitlin Clark as well. And when you speak to black women, I mean, there's a lot of black women who are huge fans of Angel Reese. And I think part of the reason that that fandom is as strong as it is, in addition to her being a basketball player who's accomplished a lot and what she's already accomplished in the league with the double doubles,

in addition to her ability to play, is because there are a lot of black women who look at Angel Reese and can relate to some of the things that she has gone through. They can relate to the fact that this is a woman who is very unapologetic about who she is. And it kind of reminds me how a lot of black men, I'm not saying obviously socially they're very different.

So I don't want people to run away with some headlines saying I'm calling Angel Reese Muhammad Ali. But a lot of reasons that black athletes love Muhammad Ali is because of his unapologetic nature. Because he wasn't afraid to talk his shit because of what he stood on. You see it with Dion Sanders, you see what the like there's been a long line of black athletes because of their unapologetic behavior and attitude that that really resonates with a lot of black people who want to feel that way in our space. We want to be in spaces and not have to apologize for who we

are. And so a lot of black women appreciate that. So I think in artfully and maybe clumsily what Ryan was trying to explain is that if you talk to black women and understand why they ride for any race and why that right now she is the hero they both need and deserve then maybe you can understand why what you said was so hurtful to a lot of black women in particular I think that's what Ryan was trying to say I'm not I haven't talked to Ryan I don't know but But yes, of course, naturally, RG3 was gonna respond when he brought in his wife. He's basically saying like,

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gaming resources, see dkng.co.slash.audio. Don LeBataard! Are the stakes that high that if Angel Reese loses to Kailin Clark, you need to start over again as a race. Stugats! I don't know that we have to necessarily start over, but it might have to be, it will be a black people's meeting, an important one that will be called the next day. Well, we might have to put some things on the agenda and get it off the table. This is the Don Lebatard Show with the StuGuts. I thought that Juju Gotti was great on this subject in the post-game show yesterday.

I will ask you what's fair or not fair in the commentary that you've seen around this because when you invoke magic and bird, it's like this i've seen you know that magic uh... went out of his way to be more palatable and cross uh... the gulf of whatever he had to be at the time in order to be somebody who was marketed by and for the nba the way that it was uh... the thing that i wanted to ask you though is i think it's being not talked about enough how much these two women have to play each other because there are so few

teams in the league and so the sparks keep rising on this so what's fair and not fair here for a try to tell you not because i'd sparks and fever arising uh... i and liberty well no less so. I would say that I think that we are watching something that's easier to talk about than the games because the men who are talking about it, myself included, are more informed and interested

in the soap opera over here than just, you know, the games, the regular season games. Yeah, I mean, and that's part of it. I mean, I've written about this for The Atlantic, is that suddenly, because Caitlin Clark has been able to attract a lot of new fans, and because of the commentary around these two in particular, you have people who are chiming in

who don't necessarily carry with them the institutional knowledge. And so when that is not the case, the drama becomes a lot sexier to just talk about this as a rival. And people love drama and sports in general. So I'm not trying to pretend as if this is some new phenomenon.

And like when it comes to the drama, as much as people say, hey, I just wanna talk about the sports or I just wanna talk about the results or I just wanna talk about people's ability, that's not usually what creates the conversation. What creates the conversation is some stuff that's happening that is larger than what is going on between the lines. And I guess what I have always not liked about this conversation was some of the things that

RG3 said is that he immediately went to, you can tell she hates her. It's like what? How can you tell that like, no, they are competitive and they are rivals and I get it. And if anything, I will I will be willing to concede this. I don't think I don't pick up the Angel Reese has a personal hatred of Caitlin Clark. What I do pick up from Angel Reese because she she said it, and I like to go with the face value of what the athlete actually says, is I think she resents the fact

that she can't have her separate story away from the Caitlin Clark drama. Like Caitlin Clark can have her separate story. Like when Caitlin Clark is in any press conference or whatever, unless she's playing Angel Reese, or it's something specifically that they have done together that is happening in the moment, she has not asked about Angel Reese at all. She's asked about thousands of other things about her ability as a basketball player. Angel

Reese is always routinely asked about Kaitlyn Clark and I think she resents that part of it is the fact that like, hey, I can't even have my own identity. Yeah. Yeah. I go, I can't even have my own identity outside of this storyline that has been following me since college. And if we recall when Angel Reese announced she wasn't coming back to LSU when she was in tears, no one had any sympathy for her when she talked about these same men now that are chiming in about Angel Reese and, you know,

talking about her behavior and all this, when she cried before the public and told you part of the reason she was leaving LSU was because of all the racial animosity that she faced. They had no sympathy for her. And so she is carrying this chip and she is carrying this resentment, but I don't think it's about Caitlin Clark. I think it's about the way that people have talked about her and about the lack of frankly grace that they have shown her through since that moment

where she trash talk Caitlin Clark and flaunted that she won a championship. They have painted this woman out to be so villainous and where she trash-talked Caitlin Clark and flaunted that she won a championship. They have painted this woman out to be so villainous and we forget how young she still is that naturally she's wearing a lot of that on her sleeve. So I thought RG3, he's entitled to his own opinion, but I thought his analysis missed the mark and it was unfair personally i want uh... before we get to our new game show uh... that i'm gonna ask is as load a host here would you die on this hill uh... i wanted to ask you about again

the difference between how the mainstream covers something and the rest of the internet talks about it the new york times now has a new profile on belichick and Jordan Hudson Belichick continues to make himself available all over the place in this story Jordan has told at least one person that she and Bill Belichick are engaged to be married what's fair and unfair here Jamel? I mean Dan they invited us into their relationship it's like nobody was clamoring to know about Bill Belichick's love life. I certainly wasn't, right? But when you start posting pictures of y'all doing yoga on the beach and like all this stuff, you're inviting

people into your relationship. And just especially since that 60 minutes interview, she's right there. We all saw it on camera. So listen, given especially all of, Pablo Torre has been like the Woodward and Bernstein of this relationship with all the information. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing. The click grabbing is embarrassing by him. Yo, I'm not gonna let you dogma boy like that,

but because of the details we've been able to learn about her influence and how that might be impacting his ability to do his job, his relationship is completely fair game because he made it that way. They made it fair game. And so, it's clear that maybe he did not understand what this fallout would be, especially in the social media age.

This is the same dude who couldn't tell Facebook from a real book, right? Like just a few years ago, as he's talking about his level of non-participation in social media. And now he's getting the other end of it is like, what happens when you do make a relationship public, especially when it's this significant of an age difference. I mean, we can't pretend like we don't see these things then. And it's like, you know, as much as I don't want to talk about Bill Belichick's relationship, he opened the door. And so now that the floodgates are open, I mean, I don't really have a whole lot of, I guess, sympathy for him if that's what you're

looking for. Like I just don't because have a whole lot of, I guess, sympathy for him, if that's what you're looking for. Like, I just don't, because you invited people to this place. Can you give me please some hacky game show music for this new game, Would You Die on This Hill? And I, they will not be as hard as this, but I will just start the bidding before I give it over to game show host Zadzlo. Is the median grandfather racist?

Would you die on this hill? The average median grandfather, any race, any culture. Okay. In fairness, they're from a different time, Jamel. Yes, right. Is the median grandfather racist? Because it wasn't racism then when they did it. Is the median grandfather racist?

Okay, I'm trying to think of all the men I met, which is not a lot, of what would be grandfather age. Greg Cody age. Greg. Don't insult me, Jamel. I think it, I gotta be honest, I think it depends on what race we're talking about. Okay, this is a distinction she's making

that ruins the game. Will you die on the hill or will you not die on the hill? All of this nuance, there's a correct answer. You're right, you're right, you're right, Dan, you're right. Forget about nuance. I'll die on the hill that the median grandfather is racist. Wow, wow. I will die on the hill that they are.

All right. I'll hand over the proceedings to Zazz, though. He's a better game show host than I am. Is he all right? I'm waiting for my game show music, Mike Reiner. Yes. No. I don't think it's buffering what's happening.

Pocky. Oh, that is not the game show we're playing today. Welcome, everybody, to another episode of everyone's favorite game show, Jamel. Oh, yes, that's right. Would you die on this hill? Hill. Everybody, I'm Jonathan Sasslil, your host.

Everybody knows I am a game show host. Dan Lebatard, would you like to explain the rules of would you die on this Hill? I think I just did, we could just get right to it. Don't worry about it, I will explain it. I am the game show host, I will present questions and Jamelle will tell us if she would die on this hill, friend!

Here we go, Jamelle, first question. Michael Jordan is better than LeBron. Would you die on this hill? I will, I'll be stabbed on that hill. Yes, I will die on that hill that Michael Jordan is better than LeBron. Alright, that got violent. That's not the type of game show. It's unnecessary. We're that competitive.

I don't have to say the manner of death in which I would die. No, no, no. That could be natural cause for. Let's not get so disappointed if you do though, yeah. Really? Let's have a good time here, it is a family show. Next up for Jamal, pineapple doesn't belong on pizza. Would you die on this hill?

By firing squad, I would die on that hill. All right, still a little too violent for this game show host taste. Really? Yeah, pineapple pizza is disgusting. I hate that. I don't even know when we started that. It's ridiculous.

Terrible take. Next up on everyone's favorite game show. I'm sorry. I've got to get. What? Hold on. I've got to get Tony. Tony knows pizza. Tony, argue with her. Go ahead. Jamelle's wrong here. I love got to get, hold on, I've got to get Tony. Tony! Nose!

Pizza! Tony, argue with her, go ahead. Jamel's wrong here, I love Jamel, but she's wrong, it's okay. Pepperoni and pineapple together. Why would you ever put a sweet fruit on a pizza? Because you've got the spicy pineapple and then you've got the sweet fruit. It's supposed to be savory. Sweet with a savory.

Sweet with a savory. Have you ever smoked drugs? Have you ever smoked drugs? Thank you. Sometimes you want the sweet and the salty. I missed that part of my life. I did not, I never. Smoked some drugs.

Hey, perhaps smoked some drugs or eat some drugs. And then you realize, oh, I get this now. This was possibly invented by someone who smoked or ate drugs. Just be clear on this. She's a respected journalist. She has peed drunk on a car tire. She has not smoked drugs.

Well, if you smoke drugs and you know that there is a purpose for it. Oh, okay. I got it. I mean, wait, hold up. Let me think. I was like, I have smoked weed before. Like, I mean, long, long, long, long time ago. Okay, so yes, but I didn't get sweet and savory when I smoked weed. Sorry, I didn't get that. That's okay. The pallet's not there. That's fine. Get some french onion dip. No, I I mean I'm a terrible,

I'm the worst weed smoker ever created. Moving on, on today's episode of Would You Die On This Hill. Jamel, the NBA Draft lottery is not rigged. I will die on the hill, it is not rigged. I will die on the hill. It is not rigged at all. At all. Do you know how many people would have to be in

on the conspiracy for it to work? This is not possible, people. Yes, they'd all be in prison too. Thank you. I was like, no people, it's not. Does this game show host look like he would do well in prison? No, everybody knows that. Vending machine for sex. Holding pockets. Let's move it along. Next up, Jamel, major league baseball. Did Pete Rose dirty? No man they didn't do him dirty. She's not dying on that hill.

I'm not dying on that hill. Living on that hill. Yes we also have to ask her the question though in sing song chant it doesn't work really if we don't say, would you die on this hill? It's this. Anything else? Do you have any others there? Of course. There is still time left in today's episode of would you die on this hill? Jamel, Florida does not deserve a hockey team

like the Panthers. Be careful here. Would you die on this hill? Very careful. I would not die on that hill. Florida absolutely deserves a hockey team. Thank you. I mean, six straight conference finals

when you include the Tampa Bay Lightning. Night! What are we doing? Yes. Every sports fans deserve good things to happen to them for the most part. Not all sports fans. I mean, some sports fans maybe not, but most of them. Except garbage throwing Knicks fans. Except garbage throwing Knicks fans, but the majority of sports fans.

It is now time for the next question on would you die on this hill? Jamel, only monsters order a steak medium well. Would you die on this hill? No, I'm not dying on that hill. Please wait for us to finish asking the question. You may now answer. Okay, no, I am not dying on that hill. I, so this is, I want you to hear my rationale.

I do order steaks medium well only because I know they won't really do it medium well. I know they'll do it medium, like closer to medium rare. It just won't be like, if I order a medium rare, the thing is gonna still be alive. So I order a medium well to get the medium rare that I actually want. That's fair.

I think medium would work in that spot. Medium, yeah, there's a reason why it's medium. Medium. It is now time for the bonus round of Would You Die On This Hill? Everybody knows in the bonus round, we open it up for questions from the audience Really? Yes. I've got one for her. I've got one for her. Go ahead. Thank you. I didn't know everyone knew that

I will say in your voice this this I'm used to being cynical and skeptical about celebrity behavior But Diddy has exceeded my every wretched expectation. Where'd you learn this? Would you die on this hill? That's why he's the game show host. Would you? This is what happens when you let a rogue member of the audience ask the question.

This is why we've got the pepper. I was like, what do you know about my dying on with Diddy, exactly? Never good when there's an apology midway through the question. Well, I think I understand where you were going with it, but in terms of filter and the headlines every day, they are, I'm just like, I can't read any more of this.

It is way beyond, I mean, I don't wanna say that, nothing should surprise us in today's age of celebrity or media But I just think that every headline It's just like did you just jumble up a bunch of the strangest things that you could put together and then yes or no I will die on the hill that I don't want to read anymore about Diddy. Yes. That'll do it for today's edition of Everyone Can Do A Game Show. I just answered the question.

Would you die on this hill? I'm your host, Jonathan Zaslow. Thank you, Jermell. Good talking to you. Always nice seeing you.