The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: You're Out of Your Depth

Episode Date: April 15, 2025

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Yes, it makes me feel happy. What is that? What is that sound? It's not for many people. You do not give that sound very often. I want to tackle this thing though with Miami because now Ryan Clark is talking about Mario Cristobal and it really is a funny thing to watch happen. Where it's just like, all right,

this is how we're doing it in college football now. It's gonna be, I mean of course, it's gonna be, schools are gonna be fighting over players because everybody's trying to win and you can get them for money now. And there may be rules, but it seems like a lot of competitive people might be a little bit Schools are gonna be fighting over players because everybody's trying to win and you can get them for money now. And there may be rules, but it seems like a lot of competitive people

might be able to work around them in a lot of creative ways. If the local car dealership, you know, has 20 extra million that they wanna put into the program. So, God, the game is getting funny now, right? Max Crosby's assistant GM at Eastern Michigan. Why? Because he wants to make a big donation and it helps in the combined some players

and it's fun that's what i was still playing in the nfl why why wouldn't these players want to be involved with just all right it's all going to be fantasy league it's going to be uh... we're just gonna throw money around all over the place and a quarterbacks going to be worth four million dollars when i want you to imagine that conversation five years ago just think about it for a second and when we talk about carson back and people are talking a lot about carson beck's to gods because this is

there are not that many players in the uh... portal age where you like yet know that guys a star he's valuable george has been at the big gate in all of the big moments for a while well that may be up for debate. It's a weird thing that is done with Carson Beck. And I understand the arm injury. It's a big thing. But that's the conversation. People, including Ryan Clark, and I think to a degree, Jess,

have convinced themselves that Carson Beck isn't good. Carson Beck entered last season as not consensus was hard to find, but on many mock drafts, he was picked to go number one overall. And Ryan Clark said something to the effect on television today when talking about Nico. Mario Crisible is partly at fault because he gave, quote, four million dollars

to Carson Beck and he's not the best quarterback in the country. Number one, Ryan Clark, you don't know the number. You're off base. Number two, if you're directly comparing Carson Beck to Nico, Carson Beck is quite almost literally twice the quarterback statistically than Nico. Nico was tied for 36 in the nation in QBR last season.

Carson Beck was eight. Carson Beck won the SEC as QB won. He's an accomplished quarterback that's made a lot of money for himself inside that conference and now over at Miami. Don't need to invoke Mario Crisaball, especially when you're out of your depth. Well, when you won't tell us the number, you could see where people would think they know the number. Right, there's a guy who knows the number who won't tell us what the number is.

Let me shut Ryan Clark up. Let me explain why I won't tell know the number. Right, there's a guy who knows the number who won't tell us what the number is. Shut Ryan Clark up. Let me explain why I won't tell you the number. Because it doesn't hurt Miami for Ryan Clark to go on television and just say things like, Miami paid Carson Beck $4 million. That doesn't hurt Miami at all. You know why? Because just like the previous season,

the quarterbacks that enter that portal are going to talk to Miami because the national perception is Miami pays the quarterbacks and if you're in the game of trying to acquire talent you don't mind that perception out there because it gets you in the room where things happen with these quarterbacks so why would I reveal the number? Yes you're correct that Carson Beck was one of the top quarterbacks going into last season, but he underperformed also and threw a lot of interceptions

last year and then got a really devastating injury. So I think- Understood, betrayed by his wide receiver core, just like you wanted to provide that context for Nico, look at the top of our edge. I did look, I looked it up on PFF two nights ago, 9% drop rate, something like that, I think Tennessee's was seven.

I don't remember, I'll look it up again. But yes, you're correct, a lot of drops. He's just flatly much better in terms of his resume than Nico's. You don't have to invoke Carson Beck when talking about Nico. They're totally different things. Going to shallower water.

Man, you're so close to getting that exactly right. Well, look, the show, I wish, I wish, I'm telling you, the show that was in my head while Mike was talking, okay? Just because Chris Cody, when Mike Ryan said, Ryan Clark, you're out of your depth, Chris Cody said in my right ear, ricocheted past, that's a bar. I heard it. You can tell someone they're out of your depth. Chris Cody said in my right ear, ricochet passed, that's a bar. I heard it. You can tell someone they're out of their depth.

College football media in general, people just speak on facts on NIL deals when the whole thing about NIL and the thing that people often lament is, we haven't seen the deals. We haven't seen the deals. So just because you saw an IG tile that said Carson Beck made $4 million

doesn't give you the right to open your trap on national TV and sound like a friggin' idiot. Whoa! Whoa, wow. Whoa. I stand with Ryan Clark. So do I, I think it does give him the right. You can stand with Ryan Clark on the wrong side

of the number and on the wrong side of the stats, and also you can stand over there on mine and your goddamn business, because Carson Beck has nothing to do with Nika. Ryan Clark isn't standing Right now because he's out of his depth People hear the joke okay, just stupid we have It's like mind your own business guys like we have nothing to do with this now, but Mike they're all connected

Well, I mean, it's crazy talk what you're saying It's not connected if Carson Beck is getting a certain amount of course they're connected all the quarterbacks are connected Now they're all you don't know the amount that he's making well You won't tell us he just blamed Duke what if he just blamed you you can blame Duke cuz Duke actually Let's blame Duke and move along Chris Cody I heard that people send you clips of you mispronouncing things and you won't play them on air I have the clip you want me what I tried to say a couple hours ago? No, no, wait, Chris, just hold on,

because you're doing such a good show for only me. Chris. I don't know why he was flapping his arms like a chicken. No, Chris whispered into my ear while you guys are raging at each other, while Mike Ryan starts to fight Ryan Clark. And as Jeremy squeaks into my left ear, guys are raging at each other while Mike Ryan starts to fight Ryan Clark and as Jeremy squeaks into my left ear bet you guys miss me talking about heat now.

It must have seemed sort of appetizing compared to that. Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. I'm not allowed, when's the last time I spoke about Miami? Jim Laranaga talk three, as you guys let him in the studio. That was last week! You let him in this studio tell all his lies? Like, okay, cool. I'll just shut up. I talk for five seconds.

Give you the goods too. Because that segment right there, shit was electric. Put this on social. Ryan Clark followed me on Instagram the other day. I want him to know that I stand with him. Yeah, you can stay with him on the wrong side. Remember. He's not standing wrong Lately wrong he's flatly wrong on a bunch of fronts and he's out there speaking on facts Like he's got the information just because you saw an IG tile doesn't mean you got the number pal

I couldn't agree more people who are not paying attention to the sport probably shouldn't talk about it now And how oh my god Jeremy I want to ring your neck god damn my Tell me I was wrong Please please all the people to tell me I was wrong about something Somebody who you tasing Mike? People just don't understand. Taze myself.

Listen to me. Yeah. Listen to me. People do not understand that the greatest show happening right now on Earth is Chris Cote not being involved in our show in any way, but talking to me while you guys talk. He's doing a show just for me, it's useless.

Because it doesn't help me do the show, except for in this way. Because he's botched a couple of his lines, he has whimpered into my ear, my tongue is so heavy today, and then the next sentence, the NHL playoffs haven't even started. Not a good sign. He's already going late nights on the drinking, The next sentence, the NHL playoffs haven't even started. He's already going late nights on the drinking, late nights.

And now we're careening into crazy land with hockey and basketball playoffs and Mike's not wrong. Mike has more information than Ryan Clark here. Well say that one more time for the audience mike ryan knows what the facts are here and ryan clark if mike ryan says so has his facts wrong because mike ryan is now a credible reporter inside of the business of this sport and his information is solid

and we will put our sources up against all of the espn sources because he knows more here than anybody does about just a car simple on my own my own the business of miami was trying to get into the business of this ridiculous game and carson back it what i was beginning to say is he is a bit of a phenomenon right because we know he uh... allegedly reportedly has to sports too uh... expensive cars and one of which are both of which were stolen on the university of miami campus

he is here uh... it and and he could be uh... a calendar twin they are celebrity couple at the university of miami were they were and well that's a whole other thing because people are snooping around in their business and so carson beck is a bit of an internet college football star, and he, walking through the door, he's worth that now in the sport.

Like just, hey, that's a name, even off an arm injury. Yeah, I'll make that gamble, three and a half million or whatever, whatever the number. Clear the throw, by the way. He's worth what? People will pay him. Precisely. Yeah.

Precisely, and what he was leveraging, just like Cam Ward the last time, there was an inaccurate report last week that said Miami and Ohio State were in a bidding war for Cam Ward. I will say that if you wanna say that Miami and Ohio State were going back and forth for a quarterback last year, it wasn't Cam Ward.

It was Will Howard. Ohio State didn't really actually get into the Cam Ward sweepstakes. He was right there for them. Can you imagine? They won the national title with Will Howard, but they kinda decided they weren't gonna negotiate with the Cam Ward thing.

Miami the last two cycles has come away with what was proven to be the number one transfer portal quarterback last year, who was just leveraging the NFL draft. This year a similar situation, consensus number one target out there. Me personally, I like John Matier a lot. I think Oklahoma got a great quarterback over there.

I'm not gonna tell you that I don't have my questions. In fact, I was probably one of the people who were a little bit more nervous about Carson Beck because he turns the ball over, because he's got that arm injury. I know Brock Purdy was a favorite to win the NFL MVP like eight months after he had the very same surgery, but it's not a perfect

Candidate I was more excited about cam ward but to see people talk about the NIL market as if they know a goddamn thing about it and Invoke Miami's name in Tennessee's business is just bullshit. It's just bullshit like okay You saw a tweet and you think you know the number no one knows the number. That's why this is all crazy. No one knows the number. And by the way, the people that you talk to that are supposedly in the transfer portal that are offering their services up,

99% of the people making the rounds, leveraging their own place in the market, they're not in the portal. They're not in this open market space where you should actually talk, like if you wanna talk about what you should actually do to stop this nonsense, it's that kind of stuff. I mean, he's not just some dummy reading Twitter though.

Like his son played college football last season and was a transfer, so he does understand how this works. He is like a hall of famer. If his son was a QB1 talking to Miami, I'd say you have the bona fides. But, or if he even got the number right, I'd say you have the bona fides. Or if he even got the number right, I'd say you're on the money there. But he didn't.

Then tell us the number. He's well off. Three and a half. He's well off. So is Carson Beck. Yes, Carson Beck is making great money for a young man on an NIL deal. Thank you, Jeremy.

And Stan's a writer. I don't like you as an ally here. Yes. He's the only one who complimented well here's two gods can we talk a little bit about just a couple of interesting things happening around the business of this because it's I mean Belichick is making less per year than Deion Sanders that all happened fast that everything there happened fast like the game is about money and Deon sanders is a star

he's in all the commercials whoop goes right past Belichick like what a what a giant bet deon sanders cashed with his kid and Travis hunter yes unbelievable he now earns more than Belichick who was plenty coveted in this sport where they fight over all the players, Carson Beck is a name and a star. And so while Mike Ryan might argue on behalf right now of quarterback maybe, if you're believing in the idea of selling tickets and starting momentum now,

and you're trying to cash a big bet, Carson Beck as a just name ends up being worth $3 million coming off of an injury just because, yes, I he played in one of the power programs the SEC he's he's been playing in big games I want that around my program because I want buzz around my program because I want all the other car dealerships to know that we've got money too that's a huge part of it so like I can only get so mad because the car dealership yeah what cause Ryan Clark is perpetuating something that doesn't work against Miami.

It's good to have people talk about Miami. It's good for people not to know the number. We're all playing poker here. And it's good for this quarterback to have some mystery around him in terms of whether or not he's going to be great and a good fit for Miami. He has had 52 touchdowns, 18 interceptions the last two years.

The argument for signing Carson Beck it made all the sense in the world. Can I add, Jessica, why are you down on him? Like what? On Carson Beck? Like what is he getting wrong here? I'm not down on him. I'm just saying like he didn't play very well last year.

If he did, he would be a player going to the NFL draft next week. Yeah, if he remained healthy and that. Yeah. No, it was a down year. He had a rough season, but Georgia, like. Yeah, if he remained healthy and that. Yeah. No, it was a down year. He had a rough season. But Georgia, like you said, their offense

was rough last year. And so I'm just pointing out, there's a little bit of nuance to it. It's not a surefire thing, especially because of the injury. So yeah. But again, this is what the market is. And him and John Matier and Nico are the best transfers

in the portal. And Mensa from Tulane, like yeah, you're worth whatever people wanna pay you. It's kinda, I think like, I don't know, annoying to call someone out for being like, it's not $4 million when no one will say what it is, so he's going off of the best available information, which I don't think is like wrong to do.

It is wrong if you don't know the number, or if you can't cite where you got the number. I don't think is wrong to do. It is wrong if you don't know the number, or if you can't cite where you got the number. I don't know. Look, if, and it's also like- Fake money anyways. It's all clickbaity too, because invoking Miami and Mario Crisible is better than, why don't you blame Manny Diaz for setting the market

with Mensa over there? That's not sexy. It just has, one has nothing to do with the other. This is a problem. Tennessee got themselves in a problem. It was a real pickle that they had to solve and this is not a good look for anybody involved. It also has nothing to do with any of the other programs, how Nico and his team decide to go about their business. I will tell everyone listening to this that uh... i'm not kidding you when i tell you the last five years of this is disorienting because it's just crazy to

me to be listening to uh... just yet ohio state we talked a lot about the twenty one million or more ohio state roster right like that the going rate for ross i would assume this number would keep going up to that's a ball you'd like i would imagine ohio state will get more and more money if they're able to keep bringing home trophies that the vice president can break. Like I would imagine that everyone's realized that in America's second most popular sport,

the second professional league of football, because we can't have enough football, so this gets rid of the USFL, XFL, any other challenges. Okay, we'll make this professional sports. We'll conceal it less. It's crazy. Mike, sort of getting into the thicket of the business where this stuff, where these deals are made,

it is really interesting to watch local boosters for their community who care about a program see if they can go raise $20 million because rich guys wanna get themselves Carson Beck. Like it's just nuts to see it playing out so overtly. Well, if you care about the program, Miami had to do something about the quarterback position, which is why you take the bet on Carson Beck,

even though he's coming post surgery, because you have a recruiting base head coach that just had a Heisman Trophy finalist and what in all likelihood is going to be the number one overall draft pick go out there and even though everybody wanted to kill Cam Ward for not playing that entire bowl game it allowed you to see what Miami's plan was after Cam Ward and they had to do something. They'll need another quarterback next year though right? Yeah but from that standpoint college sports is really... Jessica, this is where it's also good and I'm sorry about that

Dan but Cam Ward was at best a fifth round draft pick, fourth round draft pick before he came to Miami, entered the portal and he took his game next level. Carson Beck kind of slid last year, had an arm injury, comes over here. So now, say Carson Beck has a great year, fortifies himself in that first round again. If I'm entering the portal next year and I'm looking at destinations, understanding what Miami's plan is in that quarterback room, and understanding what I want my career to turn into, then Miami, as a program that's talked about paying top dollar for quarterbacks, and now as a proof-of-concept program that has done that with Cam Ward and Carson Beck.

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Jessica, twice during that, I wasn't sure whether there was spittle on your face from Mike because of how your eyes fluttered or you were wincing the way the people did behind JD Vance. But it seemed like there were a couple of times in there that you wanted to say something. Did you get some spittle from Mike there? My eye is twitching. It may be unrelated.

But I do want to close the loop on something that was brought up earlier, which is Chris Cody. He often gets sent clips of himself mispronuncification. What do we call it? Mispronuncification. Yes, that's what I call it. Mispronouncing. Yeah.

Yes, mispronouncing. Jared version of that? mispronuncation yes that's what I call it mispronouncing yeah, jaren version of that I think often is putting that a little extreme but you don't play them and we'll never know how often because you won't play them and I just found out about this today and I heard that there's one in your inbox and I would like you to play it

I'll play it right now he could, he would but he that wasn't too bad that was cute that's not too bad yeah I kinda like it I've done worse no one thinks this is funny he could he would buddy the middle sound was a little can you do it he would he can This is me going to the space is this is he good This is your heavy tongue after what did you do with it last night Panthers game?

He could he would okay, so that's what we're getting two months of executive producing Good okay, you know the more we're getting two months of executive producing I do it too. I miss pronounce of Kate everything But it's funny when it's Chris I Can't work under these conditions. I don't think I've ever missed It's a good tool I want it I up that i think it's a good tool i want it i'd like to i want it because he i know i i know it'll get excessive but uh... you guys understand what we've

just under the audience because it so jeremy reads in numbers my me he holy hell mike in a nowhere and this is unfair to mike he's got better information that's good content it's in dispute Ryan clark shouldn't have wanted any of this. I don't think he asked for any it was like a one second comment

Wait a second. It's not like he wrote like an article about it Clark is dealing with the information that is out there. That's all he had also Mario was the one who was like we would never let this happen at Miami Like he stood and pounded his chest about like, this would never happen here. He did do that. So that was, I assume that's why Ryan Clark brought up Mario, it wasn't like out of the blue.

No, he said, he went on to say, Mario Crisabal's to blame for this because he paid Carson Beck $4 million who's not the best quarterback, which is okay. Last part's subjective and I don't disagree. I disagree with the $4 million. I'm making this a Miami story. Look, the market's the market and the market ain't the

market because Carson Beck, who was one of the last quarterbacks to sign, decided to go to Miami. This Niko thing is pretty unprecedented. And yesterday, I called out Mario Cristobal because yeah, that may be the message today, but when Tyler Van Dyke was threatening to do the same thing a couple of years ago, we had to mobilize and get Tyler Van Dyke was threatening to do the same thing a couple of years ago, we had to mobilize and get Tyler Van Dyke signed. At the risk of bothering everyone right now. I just need to say that watching the sides,

the right sides of the faces of Jeremy and Jessica, it feels like they've been lashed for months and Jessica, it feels like they've been lashed for months on wanting to speak for the audience and UCF on behalf of some form of shut up Miami, you don't get to be in the top when you weren't even in the playoffs last year. And Mike, I do not blame you for being fiercely protective of your program, but I don't think I'm misreading the spittle on Jessica's face. And Jeremyeremy i know i'm not misreading the look on

your face cuz you know he's been tased no but but he was not to use that just taste though it seemed to me you tell me if i got this wrong jeremy cuz i was just looking at the right side your face it seemed to me like you felt this entire segment like you've been eating a bag of elephant shit yeah that's about right. I mean, look, when you're talking about UCF, it's the 2017.

I do that! Thank you. Jeremy and I have something in common in that. Well, I guess not really, because your team, well, I guess, neither of our teams won the national championship, but you still think yours did. I won it, I won it.

You think yours did and they didn't, but they can pretend like they did, which is fine. No, we definitely, ah! Mine definitely didn't, and can pretend like they did which is fine. No, we definitely I definitely didn't and it was the only consolation was that they weren't the ones at the White House yesterday with JD Vance So I guess they're actually out. Are you guys ready for top five people in sports that can note taxes? Oh, wow Yes, Stu got Stugat skipped in here today Stu got said His feet said his dance on the way in said,

I've got something good for the people. Top five people in sports that can note taxes. Sports and entertainment, I believe, because he told me one of them. And I'm like, on it. I needed entertainment, I mean, I did. He told me one, he just said, Dan, sports and entertainment. I only know one, I don't know the other four.

He never tells me them. They're carefully guarded secrets, but today, to tickle me on the way in. He just gave me one of them. So top five people in sports and entertainment that can note taxes. This would be their names in an odd world if they were named after something to do with taxes.

That's the game I'm playing right here. I do have some OLI. Okay, but wait a minute. So Jessica, you seem to... It's a different game. He's saying it's not actually... They're not really connoting taxes. If their parents were accountants and they said,

hey, let's name our son, Taxton Lynch. Tony, like singer Tony Taxton. I was thinking like Pete Crow Armstrong, PCA, because it's one away from CPA. Hmm that's a good one. Didn't make the list. Expense Ray HIP. Todd Lightoff.

Frotty Couples. These are all OLA. Evasion Longoria. Dennis Extensionley. And number five, Fraud McGriff. The Crime Dog. What's the heavy tongue doing right now? Evasion Longoria.

That's pretty good. Number four, The Accounting Crows. That's the one that got me before the show. Number four the accounting crows Number three germane die RS Thank you number two Alex Len 99 And number one W poo Richardson Come on W poo. Why poo? Because W2 instead of a W2.

But it's a list that connotes taxes and shit? No, it's a list. You guys are getting the list. You don't get the game. I get W2. W2 Richardson because a 2 is also a poo. Yeah. There you go.

You don't get the game. No, there I go, but you should have went there. Give me your W Poo. And also you went Todd Lightoff. There's plenty of people with a W2. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm No, there I go, but you should have went there.

Give me your W, poo. And also you went Todd Lightoff. There's plenty of people with the last name right. Well, feel free to make your own list. Very true. Yep. Got his ass. David Rightoff.

You don't think I thought of that? Too easy. You know what? I'm going to make my own list. Thank you. OK. It is Todd's day. Why did you say thank you to that?

Well, I like when people, you know, I've inspired him to make my own. Thank you. Yeah, okay. It is time. Why'd you say? Thank you that I like when people you know I've inspired him to make a list Never ever made it was a challenge for me to write my own list from a man who didn't even write his own I wrote this one. Yeah, I mean I'm not gonna say it showed oh Fronty couples come on Well you got me with accounting crows couples. Come on. Well, you got me with accounting crows. That one was good. Yeah, that's really good. No denying it. I gotta say, sometimes the list, sometimes- 199? I feel like the list is built around just,

does he have one? If he's got one, then he knows that he has one. I had the accounting crows. That's the one he came in and tickled me with. That's exactly what happened. Waiting for Mike's list. Well, give him a second. I mean, you craft yours over the course of an evening. I have some leftovers. You spend a lot of hours, you spend many hours

crafting carefully over top five lists that are popular and often sponsored. So you gotta give Mike a second. He can't just do it on the fly. That's a challenge. All right, okay. Right, that's not fair So you gotta give Mike a second. He can't just do it on the fly. That's a challenge. Right? That's not fair. You gotta give him a minute. I guess.

Fernando Tax-tease. That's closer to what I'm looking for. But number one, I think we can all agree, right? Number one was number two, like Poo Richardson. You limped in at the end. And I feel like you also. I also feel like you got mad at the group for not supporting you more. It's okay, I love the group.

Okay, then I'm instigating. That's why I'm right. It just felt like that should have been on a different list. Yeah. Instead of this list. That's all I'm saying. Like Poo Richardson, great comedic name for perhaps a different list.

Well, W Poo though. I get that, I know. Two Poo. Jessica, do you have any kind of sort of emotional sports relationship with Kenny Pickett and his meanderings given that Kenny Pickett was a pretty cool Pittsburgh story and got to a special place that not a lot of people get to which is you play in your college town, you play in your pro town, and you become a bit of a local hero,

and now he's bounce around guy, who may or may not be good, is right on the cusp of being like a backup or not a backup, and Kenny Pickett wants in the quarterback game. Tax for Stappen, first of all. Wow, damn! That's a good one, pretty good.

Second of all, there was some interview with Kenny Pickett where the Browns were like some reporters like are you gonna be the starter and he's like I'm not here to hang out and I thought that was very funny but yes Kenny Pickett's had a weird year Dan because he went from well weird five years I guess. Drafted in the first round many people called it a reach but oh it's Pittsburgh hometown not really hometown he's from Jersey but you know where he played in college college not just that right though But Pittsburgh Pittsburgh is a steel town that identifies with its football

Also loved that once upon a time dad and grandpa had a relationship with Dan Marino and felt like that's when Pitt football mattered They wanted Dan Marino drafted in Pittsburgh. Everybody wanted Dan Marino and he fell in the draft but Pittsburgh identified with pittsburgh everybody wanted dan marino he fell in the draft but pittsburgh identified with it but it's the most regionally i think regional star that pittsburgh had at the position in a minute yes because he was the quarterback of the best pit team in a long time they went to the cc championship game he was fake sluggered exactly they've made a rule change out after him because of the state slide in the game uh... he was prolific but you know was an older quarterback and a lot of his success came in his final

year. That's usually not a recipe for success in the NFL, etc. He had three concussions in his first two seasons. Matt Canada got fired. It was sort of a disaster and has just been one in a long string of disastrous offensive quarterback offense situations since Ben Rotherberg retired and then he was traded to the Eagles, won a Super Bowl, was playing in the Super Bowl. No one saw that coming because that's how big of a blowout it was and then got traded to the Browns and so now he is on the Browns. I guess fighting for the starting position with Joe Flacco? Well that's funny. So that's funny. That's awesome. Come on, that's funny.

It is funny. I can laugh at that. We can finally laugh. And Tommy Reese is the offensive coordinator. Are we finally allowed to laugh again at the quarterback situation of the Cleveland Browns? I mean, Flacco's an upgrade, right? It's great.

He took that team to the playoffs two years ago, did he not? Yes, Joe Flacco, I just love that on the fringes of the league he's still slinging it and and in the same space literally with Kenny Pickett right like I don't know who I want there who cares it's just gonna be a bunch of sideline routes and every once in a while Flacco is gonna throw four interceptions because he's an old man and he's an old statue. It's ridiculous.

He's three years past retirement and of course he'll come out and win you four football games because he's Joe Flacco. We'll do it in his 80s. It's just that it feels like the four, there's four quarterbacks that just keep shuffling around the AFC North and also maybe just the larger AFC at large. Like Mitch Trubisky is one of them.

Kenny Pickett's now one of them. Joe Flacco's definitely one of them. You just keep kind of moving around. Can I celebrate Joe Flacco who I will remind you. It's about time. Yeah, let's do this together, shall we? Beat a dead man for comeback player of the year. Hard to do.

We all sort of laugh at the name Joe Flacco and then, oh, look at that, four touchdowns, excuse me, we'll get to the interceptions. Those come later, the Colts learned. But, woo, slinging it way downfield. There's some bombs, that's the Joe Flacco I know. I can fall in love again, the old gun slinger. But he's a statue and he's gonna throw four interceptions and at this point he's a cultural icon

who might as well play the game the way that Jake Cutler did. But he's a statue and he's gonna throw four interceptions and at this point he's a cultural icon who might as well play the game the way that Jake Cutler did with a cigarette in his mouth. Like I'm coming out here for hire, I'm a mercenary, I'll walk through the saloon doors, who needs four touchdowns? I'll give you four interceptions sometimes but at the beginning I'll give you three touchdowns and I'll spark your offense if you've got a quarterback that is you know accused of all sorts of heinous things. I'm curious what you guys think though about the career Kenny Pickett's had where say he retires in ten years

and plays a backup for the rest of you know his his career in the NFL. A dream. He gets to retire and say he was a first-round draft pick and won a Super Bowl. I don't know is that that bad bad? Maybe a dream come true, some would say. His body's intact. Well, maybe. He did have a lot of concussions. Maybe his body's intact. Okay.

Because that, well, that part can't, it's always there, right? Because whatever Kenny Pickett's career was gonna be, in Pittsburgh, where all they do is win, and they tolerated a lot from a star quarterback in Ben Roethllisberger who was their local champion. Kenny Pickett comes into the sport with the pressure of we never have a losing season and he doesn't have one either. And he gave his brain to that cause three

times that we saw. All of them looking as bad as the 201s Save for the worst of the 201s like three bad concussions where we all identified him as soon as it happened It didn't even need to go to the tent. And so this is a this it's also he is also a damaged player, right? Like I don't know what number we're doing this on. I really don't anymore how we're doing the brain stuff But I associate him with concussions in a way I don't other players because so many happen so fast because he was trying under the pressure of Pittsburgh to get six extra yards because the offense wasn't any good on third and five. Yes I don't know how to evaluate his overall physical health and well-being however if he is a backup in the league for a long time to come and

gets to have that Super Bowl ring and experience, not even just a Super Bowl. He got to say he won a Super Bowl for the state of Pennsylvania. I mean, close enough, right? Wasn't where you got drafted, but you can kind of like in 20 years would be like, yeah, and then I won a Super Bowl with the Eagles and no one's gonna really be like,

wait, what? He won a Super Bowl. Does those count though? Yeah, it counts. What, when you're the backup? You know what I mean though? Like she's doing a thing there. He did, he won a championship, but he's not the reason they won a championship, but she's

saying play it in the Super Bowl and play it on the winning side in the Super Bowl, it's hard to do. There is an achievement in it, but what are stats for the season? It counts. He played in a couple games because Jalen Hurts had a concussion late in the season and he had to come in and play. Ian Book was the third string on that team and he was at Notre Dame Spring Game last week

and the caption said, Super Bowl champion, Ian Book is at the Spring Game. And if I'm Ian Book, I'm like, hell yeah, I'm a Super Bowl champion. He didn't play a snap, but I mean, come on. But I love this question. Do backup quarterbacks deserve a Super Bowl ring? I mean, did they get to gloat about it? You didn't do anything. He's not there to hang out. How many

passes did he throw last season? 42. How many touchdowns? Two touchdowns. How many interceptions? He had one interception. Shock him again. Mike, top five athletes and entertainers who sound or remind you of taxes? OLI. I just have a top five athletes and entertainers who sound or remind you of taxes. O-L-I. I just have a top five. All right, number five. Tax Crosby with two Xs. There you go.

That's good. Tax Crosby, yeah. I love the two Xs, right? Yeah. Should be three, but that's another show. Right. I mean, tax didn't look good. Number four, J.J. Credit.

That's good too. That's good. Number three, 1090 Nile Diggs. Number two, Payrolly Massimino. That's good. That one is good. And number one, tip of the hat to Chris Cody over there, Tarif Abdul Rahim. Folks, listen up.

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