The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 1: Zaslow Cries At John Cena's Final Match

Episode Date: December 15, 2025

"Take my hat! I dare you!" Dan is forced to walk back a take in less than a minute, and, honestly, it's impressive how wrong he was so quickly. Greg Cote, a wrestling agnostic, turns into The Articulator of Disdain™. Also, the crew decides on what qualifies as a first ballot obscene gesture, and Zaslow lies to everyone about his role in a last-place result in a poll for NFL announcers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Jeremy Tashay here with our expert, our superstar, Tony Kalatea. Good to be here, Jeremy. Tony, tell me, Jordan or LeBron? Jordan. Why? Better shoes. It's a great answer. People got to talk about championships.

People talk about points. LeBron's got more points. Jordan's got more championships, defensive, this, that. Who's got a bigger impact on the culture? And LeBron has come out with some nice shoes. I've worn them. I've bought them. I have them.

Right? But the impact globally for the culture that Jordan has made from the shoe perspective I think outweighs anything that LeBron could do on the court, off the court, I think just that cements Jordan is the goat what motivates 10-day tony the next thing the next thing like yeah we're here we're doing this thing you know what motivates me the next thing like what's what are we doing now we're doing this conversation what am i going to do next that's what motivates me to get to that point like we're going to be done with this this will be filmed off somewhere somebody will edit it they'll

put it out on the show they'll do whatever what does that do tell me it's the next challenge it's the next thing it's the next thing i don't even know what the next thing is but that's what motivates me i don't know what it is but i'm gonna find it and i'm gonna do it it was hey i i shoot righty and yeah i'm right handed i've shoot righty all my life okay perfect what if i shoot lefty what if i shoot lefty in the game what if i shoot lefty falling away out of bounds what if people are upset that i'm shooting lefty will i continue will i not i do that's the next challenge so for me what motivates me next needs to be shorter those are insights into mediocrity I want to ask before we get to John Sina and and and Zaslow traveling to go see him submit for

the first time in his career historically gave up 20 years first time nerds loser we'll get to that in a second but I I want to wanted to ask you guys, and I'm going to set this up a certain way, I wanted to ask you something related to Marcus Freeman and ask you if you've heard anyone else say what I'm about to say about Marcus Freeman. But before I do that, I want to play for you guys some sound of Cocho. Cocho is going through the rubble of what's happened at LSU, and Cocho is telling you that Brian Kelly never fit there. I want to hear this sound from Bussing with the boys. And Brian Kelly didn't feel like The personality to handle that Were you, what was your thought process? First of all, we made a mutual decision They fired me.

We made a mutual decision But I wanted to coach his team to them And I'm not leaving this team I was ready to go Because there was enough And when they named him He was a big time hiring stuff like that But I wondered how well

He would relate Like you said Louisiana has a different place man People think different, players are raised different. People are raised different in the South. You've got to be a personal person. You've got to go in there and love them. It ain't so much about the exes and the olds by getting them to play.

And, you know, hey, taking care of them and make them sure they understand that. He didn't do that. He didn't have to do it in Notre Dame. Or if he did it, I don't know. But when he came out and said family, like that. It's a great night to be a tiger. I'm here with my family. Family.

It just won the good thing. Is he a great coach? Yes, he is. He's, I mean, he did it if I had nerding him for a long. So before I get to Marcus Freeman, I want to ask you guys there. Do you guys hear Coach O saying there, I won because I connected with the players. Brian Kelly didn't win because he didn't connect with the players. It sort of ignores that Coach O had Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase.

and that's not exactly what Brian Kelly had. But you hear Coach O's saying there, the way I did it was the right way to do it. The way Brian Kelly did it, he never connected, right? Yeah, but it could be both like it is. Yeah, he had the good players, but also, you know, that's someone who didn't, like, because he's not the only one who's alluded to that. Brian Kelly was never someone who loved LSU. And, you know, Sabin loved LSU, Les Miles loved LSU,

at Oshone clearly loved LSU, and you never got that impression that Brian Kelly loved LSU. You take a look at the 2019 team, Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, Clyde Edwards, O'Lear, who was the first round pick, Grant Delpin, who's been good in the league. Derek St. Lee Jr. was a freshman on that team in 2019, ended up being a top three pick. Patrick Queen, Christian Fulton, Calayvon, Chase, on Jacob Phillips, Lloyd Cushenberry. You're talking about NFL multi-year starters, some pro bowlers, some great players. And it's not like he showed up and these guys were on the roster, to his original point. He developed those relationships. He had to talk of former Mr. Ohio into picking LSU and leaving Ohio. state. He secured that talent. That is the best roster that I've ever seen a college football team

have. And he was gone very quickly after that. Easy. I'd say, I'd say better than the University of Miami. Whoa, that defense, like, I know that there's some NFL names on that defense. That defense was not that good for a champion. Johnny, I need Lerner Chase, Justin Jefferson. Joe Burroughs better than any quarterback Miami's ever had. That's fine. Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson are better than any receiver except Michael Irvin. Oh, okay. I mean, the receivers on that thing were pretty freaking good. Agreed. Ever heard of Andre Johnson, Dan?

He's got a gold jacket. He's got a pretty freaking good. Not Jamar Chase. You know about that, Reggie Wayne? Not Justin Jefferson. Right. Jim and the defense. It's no question.

Who's better? You know about that? Jeremy Shockey? You can make whatever arguments you want debatable. I will go from there, though, to tell you that the reason Marcus Freeman is so coveted right now. now is simply because he surprised us by inheriting what it is that Brian Kelly gave him and keeping it in the same place.

But the thing I wanted to ask all of you in wondering what's presently happening around Marcus Freeman? The LSU 2019 team had seven first round pictures, which is great. Miami of 2001 had 17. What? Those are as followed. Ed Reed, Andre Johnson, Frank Gore, Clinton Portis, Jeremy Shockey, Vince Wilfork, Sean Taylor, Rest in Peace, Reggie Wayne, Jonathan Vilma, Antrol Roel, Philip Buchanan,

and DJ Williams, Mike Ruff, Lewis McGahey, Brian McKinney, Vernon Carey, William Joseph. 17? Look, I'm just going to say it. O'1 Keynes would kick the shit out of it. Dan, you need to apologize. We tell Clyde Edwards-Helair, this isn't a good place for you. You don't fit.

Tell him to walk it back, Jack. It might be. I'm going to have to look at it a second because that LSU offense was better than any I saw Miami ever had, but maybe I'm wrong on the defense. The thing that I wanted to say to you about Marcus Freeman, though, to wonder whether or not anyone is doing what I'm about to say. I know Notre Dame is mad about what just happened,

and I know that Notre Dame has every reason to be mad about what just happened. But if you're Marcus Freeman's agent, it's the best thing that could have possibly happened to your client. Because now you don't actually have to prove that you're better than all these other teams. You can just say you were and you were wronged, and now you can get any job that you want. For Marcus Freeman's agent, there is nothing short of winning the championship

that would have been better than the position that he presently finds himself in, which is all he had to do is the same thing Brian Kelly did. And he did that. And now at a ridiculously young age, he can have any job he wants without it being disproven against the best teams in the sport.

But how much of a factor did getting to the national championship last year play in that? Like you think that if this didn't happen and he got to the playoffs and he lost in the first round, the stock would have taken a dip? No, what I'm saying is, the result of him not having to do anything other than say we were wronged is the best possible move that his agent would have wanted if I gave him all the move short of winning the

championship. That finishing second this year wouldn't have made him as coveted as what this makes him right now. Right now, he can have any job that he wants and what he's coming off of is there are no stains. You didn't beat anybody this year. You lost the two big games you had, but you can have any job in the sport that you presently want. I can't believe that the agent could have much better situations than that. Well, and maybe also because he's available now to go talk to other people about jobs. Like, last year, apparently he was really close to go into the NFL, but he refused to talk to people, and they played until the end of January.

Well, now we're at the beginning of December and, like, he's available. I mean, he's super coveted no matter what. Like, if they make the playoffs and then lose in the first game, he's still a coveted coach. I think so. But less coveted. Is he? Yes. Yes, less coveted than he is right now.

Yes. Right now, right, Mike, you can tell us. been in the thick. I've been a report on this one. So, so he could have any job, correct? Yeah, there's plenty of teams that are presently in the NFL playoff mix that are talking about having Marcus Freeman as their head coach. Jobs. Dolphid should hire jobs. Jobs that are not open. He can literally have his pick. There are entire divisions that want Marcus Freeman to be their next head coach. Named a division. I'm not going to do that. They have coaches. They have jobs. They have family allies. But Marcus Freeman can legitimately call his shot. And by the way, if you're

calling your shot, the one that he's presently most linked to, is a New York Giants job. I'm not going to tell you, you're wrong. This guy has too much. That's a pretty good job. Good looking, can get any job he wants. I mean, too much for Marcus Freeman. Giants, if you were to pick a job with that D-Line, with neighbors, with a quarterback and dart, we'll see where Scataboo is, with ownership, you know, like, that's not a bad job

the market if you were to pick them, but their teams that are closer to Super Bowl ready that want him too. He absolutely, if he returns to Notre Dame, it'll be for both one of the top three salaries in the sport and because he genuinely loves Notre Dame. And he does. He loves something. Does he genuinely love Notre Dame if we're going to do this every year where he may leave for the NFL? He may, dude, his stock will never be higher. I don't think. I know, but if he genuinely loves Notre Dame, you don't leave Notre Dame. Yeah, but you have leverage though. Like, that's the whole game. Like, oh, I may go to the Giants. I may go here. I may go there. Oh, Notre you're going to give me more money? Perfect. Does he you believe he'll

never leave then for an NFL job? If he doesn't leave this year, I don't know if he ever will. He's still a young man, but I don't know if his stock is never going to be higher. I don't see it ever being higher and his agent may say like you know, your quarterback Katara's ACL next year and you won't have these

opportunities. These opportunities don't present themselves that often where every NFL team, we're talking blue blood franchises, want you as their head man. You could always go back to the college game if you flame out in the NFL. You will always be a top candidate in the college ranks if you flame out in the NFL. Does he have any flaws? I mean, someone tell me a flaw

Marcus Freeman has. Haroldine might be received. Oh, does he? Loses to bad teams often. A little bit. Yeah. Northern Illinois is a flaw. Marshall. Northern Illinois. September football. Other than bad losses. No flaws. Hey guys, Tony here. Tomorrow at 830 Eastern, it's the Emirates NBA Cup championship game on Prime. This year's quest for the Cup has delivered incredible moments and jaw-dropping highlights and they've all been building towards this. The final two teams. The Emirates NBA Cup Championship live from Las Vegas Tuesday night at 8.30 Eastern on Prime. And if you're not a Prime member, that's not a problem. Sign up today for a 30-day free trial to get

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It was in no way fake. You can spot a woman faking it. Stugats. Yes, I can, Jess. Expert. I've been married 40 years. This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugats. Let's examine just for a quick second, though, the hypothetical of just how his agent is thinking,

as someone who gets 5 to 10% of everything, as Notre Dame is wronged. He's the one guy who's looking at everything and saying, this is totally good. We have time to interview. He can go and be just model-esque wandering around as spokesman and face for a team. He could look great, and there will be nothing that happens on the field

that will affect this. There's nothing that will affect this the rest of the way. We've got months of Marcus Freeman just being glorious because he's never going to lose. because he doesn't actually have to play in any of the games. Marcus Freeman doesn't even actually say to himself, I'm going to make more money all this. Like just the agent says, okay, good, I'm going to make more money now.

Because Notre Dame and my client were left out of the college of all playoffs. Me, agent guy, I'm going to make money. I know he loves Notre Dame. We've mentioned that already, but I've also heard he wants to be in the pros. If everything was there and laid out in front of him and it was a good situation, he'd leave for that. And now we're finally starting to see it. Adam Schaefter said he's going to be the Ben Johnson of this cycle.

Diana Rusini reported the Giants level of interest. I've been telling you for months this day was coming. And basically all that needs to happen is Marcus Freeman telling his agent exactly where he wants to go. And nobody blames him if he goes to the NFL because that's considered a step up no matter how much you love college football. Whereas if he goes to Notre Dame fans would be upset? He could go to Michigan. No, I think if he, no, I disagree. I think if he goes to the NFL, South Bend goes.

you know what, I see why he made that movie. If he goes to another college, South Bend hates him all. You guys do understand, though, right? That if he played a game and lost by 20 to Lane Kiffin, it wouldn't be what it is now? I disagree. I don't agree.

I disagree. He's got a track record there. He got some national championship last year. I don't think a playoff loss, especially since he made it to, with an injured team, he made it all the way to the championship game last year. I don't think it gets,

if he loses to Miami again in the CFP, I don't see his stock. And you see the way it flows out that shirt? doing degrees though. I'm doing degrees. This is as unblemished as it can be. You never actually have to prove it. No. He's the most coveted and you didn't win a championship and you may not win a championship and you don't have to prove you to win a championship. I know you're like a dog with a bone on this one. Zero percent change in that. They've been talking about Marcus Freeman and these jobs for weeks on end. But it is interesting what you're saying because you go back and consider all the

hullabaloo around Lane Kiffin. Marcus Freeman got to the college football national championship game last year. Lane Kippen has never been in the playoffs. How did it go for you this weekend? You fly out to see John Cena. You fly out to see something that you expected to be what and how close did it come to meeting your expectations? Okay, first of all, we had a great time because we were at the center of what was a pop culture phenomenon over the weekend. And it was a wild scene before the show started outside. They had a whole fan fest kind of deal. They had their live studio. broadcast and right outside Capitol Arena. That was a whole scene

and we were so charged up and so excited. The crowd was so into it. I mean, Sina comes out for his entrance. It's his final entrance ever. The whole crowd is singing his entrance song. It was wild. We were, I was shot, let's go Sina! We were into it.

What was your reaction to the finish? You cried. You cried, didn't you? Spoiler alert. You cried. Don't ever accuse me of crying. You were a suck of crying. I never cry. Look at his face. right here. What's wrong with crying? A lot of people on the internet seem to be a little underwhelmed. Spoiler alert, if you for some reason are going to watch this later. Oh, please. He just kind of is choked out and just gives a smirk and then a tap.

I had my hands on my head like this when he tapped out. I was shook. I was. Even though, even though I knew he was going to lose. I was holding out hope that he was going to win. I really wanted him to win. I wanted the big celebration and the big pop and everybody to be so excited. Dan, the crowd wanted him to win so bad. But that doesn't have. happen in pro wrestling when the great guy retires? You always lose. Okay, I'm a pro wrestling agnostic, so I have the vision.

So that means you don't believe in pro wrestling? I have the... Agnostic means, an atheist means I don't believe in it. Okay. And agnostic means I'm not a huge fan. You know it exists, but you don't care. I don't particularly care. But here's the thing, and only

I can say this. What happens is after an appropriate amount of time retired, four months. five months, John Cena comes back. Yeah. Yeah. It's a big comeback. Right. Not if he wins that. If he wins, he goes out on top. The stage is, the script is he loses, he makes a big comeback, big dramatic comeback. Over the summer, perhaps. Biggest thing in wrestling. Normally when a all-time great wrestler retires, they all say they're retiring or it's their final match, retirement match. And a few years later, they always come back. That is not going to be the case. here. Why do you think not? Because his, a couple reasons. Number one, his whole deal,

all right, is like he's this really super clean cut guy and like honesty and loyalty and respect. That's a really big thing. It would literally be lying to everybody for an entire year because it's been a year long tour. You'd be lying to everyone for an entire year. People spent

a ton of money to come see you on all these dates throughout the year. Not to mention how expensive. The final date was. Zaz, as an alleged adult got on an airplane to go see this. Let's listen to a fan. I'm assuming this is a child. Oh, my God.

This is right after the match, Dan. This is actually Zaz. Zaz is a giant toddler. Let's listen to Zaz crashing out during the match. You tell me? What are you going to do? You tell me? Matthew.

It's so. Love me? No one likes you. That's not true. You don't want. You just came up to no one. Oh, God. Everyone has you.

Take my hat. I dare you. I'm still alive I dare you Take my hat I dare you The crowd was chanting FU

The crowd Heavy booze at the end of the match Crowd was really angry Is that like a John Sina line Take My Hat I dare you Like where'd that come from He was trying to make a moment They did the right thing

For the business They made Gunther like this big huge heel But I thought the show was a laborious watch I can't even imagine having to be there I'm sure you were getting No, no, no, it was great being there.

No, no, no, the drinks are flowing. It was great. It was great being there. Well, you got to see the moment, and Boeing is part of the experience. That's all funny. The people are really upset at Triple H for booking it that way. But for me, on the whole, they made a big deal of this retirement tour. Right.

They botched it. I understand people being upset. I do. I understand people being upset. I'm not saying the ending. The ending is perfect. The way that the match unfolded, like, that's all fine and dandy. The business end of this, the failed heel run at the WrestleMania for his last

WrestleMania. It was too TKO-y for me and it felt like they just botched it. So Greg, part of the reason, or the major part of the reason that the great wrestler loses in the final match because you're supposed to give back. You're supposed to give it to the guy who beats you. And so as a result, Gunther is now a monster heel. Do you know what heel is? Gunther Volkswagen. Do you know what Gunther is? No. He's right about that. That's a bad guy, all right? So now Gunther is a monster heel. So check this out. We have video of this, all right, where Gunther, he has to be escorted to

his bus after the match because look at the people, they're crowding him, they're chanting, fuck you, Gunther. They're so angry. Look, they're following him. Like, they're going to attack him. The people are going to attack Gunther. This is good for Gunther, though, right? This is good for him. Oh, it's amazing for Goethe. I'm looking at Greg Cody, though, and he

is barely concealing his disdain for your enthusiasm for this as an adult. Okay, first of all, people are going like this what are they doing they're marking my words they're marking my words it's only a matter of time before he makes his big comeback and what I imagine

and I'm talking about all those people chasing him to his bus maniacs maniacs do those people not know the whole thing is scripted what is the attitude of a fan blaming Gunther they don't care they want to be happy and they're happy and they're going to win

I feel your disdain and I just would like it articulated because I see you, like, bemused by Zadmo. You think it's strange that I loved it, that I'm so invested in it. Of course. That he would fly to go see it. Yes. Spend actual money to go see something that isn't

actual. Right before the show started, you could have sat ringside $11,000, Greg. Okay. How about I give that money to charity instead of, somebody else can go instead of me because I would pay $11,000 not to be there. Greg. It's like watching a play. I mean, you put on a gala for a family

pickums. That's a good shout, right? It's a real league. I mean, it's a league. It's literally a fantasy. No, it isn't. It's a fantasy league's been in existence since the late 60s. It's real to you, damn it? Look, look, there are millions of people just like you who will frown on me for traveling

and going to this kind of show. But I was at, like I said, what was a pop culture phenomenon on Saturday nights? Only 20,000 people in the world were there. I was one of those 20,000 people. Everyone was talking about it. That shit was fun. Didn't get the ending that I wanted, of course, but that was a fun, fun night. Okay.

Well, good for you. I mean, and your analogy, Mike, about liking it to a play, I get that. You know, it's suspended belief. But is it suspended belief, though, when those people are... Well, those people. Like, was I one of those people? Was I booing at the end of the night? No, because I'm not a man.

You said you had your head on your head. You don't know. You were crying. You were disappointed. I'm not crying. You got to stop saying. You were crying. You got to stop saying I was crying.

That happens with scripted content all the time. When there's a really unpopular death in the walking dead, it almost nukes the show. Red Wending Game of Thrones. You weren't shook watching Red Wedding? The thing that is different about wrestling than anything else in the history of, let's just say, ESPN.com, is the scripted play never ends up as the fourth headline on ESPN.com between Mahomes out with an... She would happen in Hamilton? But Mahomes out with a knee injury.

Micah Parsons out for the season. Sina submits for the first time ever in scripted content that was written by writers. I was singing his theme when he came out. I was charged up, man. I just can't believe when they're like going through all the possible endings to that match. They're like, you know how it's going to end? A smirk and a tap. And why is that, though?

Because they're thinking down the road. Am I the only one here? who knows would bet on Sina coming out of retirement. Let's do it. You would bet on it. I will bet it on that too with you. I'll take the other side. Okay.

Greg Cody is taking both the ignorant and stubborn position of usually these guys do come back. But what he's saying is so, Sina's one of the few in the history of the sport. Even Hulk Hogan had a heel turn. But this guy's entire premise is I'm All-American moral integrity guy. Funny. So I'm... Why is that funny?

Why are you questioning Johnson's integrity? Wait a minute. Let me get this straight. I'm taking the ignorant point of view, whereas the people chasing that guy to the bus, angry that he followed the script, those people aren't ignorant. I'm the ignorant one. There can be multiple ignorant people here, but you're being ignorant because you are not you're just basically using your viewpoint on old rock acts, old acts of all kind.

They all come back. It would be surprising if this one came back because the entire construct, he's Olympic hero guy. He's guy who represents America. That's Kurt Angle. If he comes back, he literally would have scammed paying customers. Oh, wow. Like, that's never happened. Like, Mike Tyson coming back at age 56 is not scamming paying customers.

Got a side with Greg, though. You're saying Tyson and John Cena are same integrity? I got a side with Greg. If he's coming back, it's not like the fans are going to be pissed off. And he'll lie to you, they're going to be thrilled to see him back. Exactly. He put his sneakers on a Riyadh season logo. Let's be real here.

We all thought HBK was done. HBK came back for that Saudi money. So you would bet the way that Greg Cody does, you would bet that he will indeed come back? I'm taking bets over here. Guys, he left his shoes in the ring. Isn't that a thing? Yeah, but people pick him up all the time. Right.

They come back after that? Yeah. Yeah, it has happened. I'm more inclined to believe what Zaz is saying, but him coming back would not surprise me because there have been plenty of people that said they would never do that. Right, of course. He was an ultimate Vince guy, though. So I just don't know how much he fits in this incarnation of WWE.

He ain't going out on the bottom of this guy. He's not going out with a loss. Trust me. They all go out on a loss. Literally what happens in wrestling. Not take her. No. This guy, for reasons you mentioned, pristine reputation,

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If you told me right now, your life depends on it. Go to Santa Fe University and just take a picture. Stugats. I would die. I don't know where it is. This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. A couple of teams in the AFC that I believe are not being talked about enough because we spend so much time talking about the quarterbacks in that sport.

So proud of himself, look at him. Just getting in my way and offering something obvious. Yeah, same thing. Well, yeah, but the joke that the show makes is transition. Yeah, Segway. Fancy a word. Hop on it, right down the sidewalk. In Greg's defense, he is a writer still, and Segway is a stronger word. Thank you.

transition. It really is. It's got a French flair to it. Go on. What were you saying? Some of non-quarterbacks. I want to talk about the NFL, but not talk about quarterbacks. Start with a guard. Start with a backup safety. Who did you have in mind? Go on, Dan. It's your show. The two teams that I was going to talk about that will excite no one when it comes to advancing what are you laughing? Are you sure nobody? I'm excited already. What are you laughing? What are you laughing? You're teasing what you're about to say by saying the two teams I'm about to talk about that no one

will be interested in. The reason I'm saying it is because if they get to the Super Bowl, people are going to be mad that defense is what got to the Super Bowl. It's Houston and the Chargers. Houston and the Chargers getting to the Super Bowl will be unappetizing to everyone

who's listening to this because it's great defense that's getting you there. And at the end of yesterday's Chiefs Chargers game, did you guys see So Tony Jefferson is a lifelong nomad. He's played for 10 years in the league. He's had four interceptions before this year. He's got four interceptions this year.

He's been a healthy scratch three times this season, but still it's just crushing people, like physically, is somebody who is hitting everybody, and he's got four interceptions. And then he gets ejected from yesterday's game late because he's doing obscene gesture. I didn't see the obscene gesture, but there's only one he can be doing, right?

It's only middle fingers. It's Pavia in the club in New York. When I say obscene gesture, is there a second? You guys aren't doing any of the other obscene gestures except for middle finger, right? Because I'm reading the story. I haven't seen the video. And when it says obscene gesture, all I've got is middle finger. There's no other gesture you're getting ejected for.

Dan, the obscene gesture that he did was a balo that he did a Taekwon Thornton because that was a ballo. Yeah, it was a legal hit. And Harbaugh said after the game, all I've seen is good football out there. from that guy because he just crushes people. Chris Cody is doing what who invented this gesture the running the back of your hand against the bottom of your chin as a gesture I thought it was the Italians I thought of that like bleep off right that's how I brandos is more like a scratch than like the full way you know what I mean I wasn't offering up a sincere guess when you say something I think you're doing a thing I like somebody though I like a referee having to make a decision as a guy

does this going off of the field? Is that obscene enough to eject a football player from one of the 17 games? You get the face mask in the way, too, so you can't really go the full way. You're doing it the Italian way. I like to do it with the Michael Jackson way. Plus, what if the obscene gesture isn't a full bird? It's just like a half knuckle. That's not obscene.

It's not a bird. That's not obscene. I got to see a nail or else. Do you ever do it when, like, you have the other fingers bent? How what if I go like this? You know, like this as. Wing. That's how, yes.

We, uh, kickstands. Yeah. I used to do that when I... Why your finger's so weird? What? Yeah. You can't put your fingers all like that in the middle finger? Great fingers.

It looked like you were trying to do it like hard and it wasn't working. You can't do the West Coast? Can you do that again? Of course I could do West Coast. Can you do Vader time? Can you do the Vader time? Can you do the Vader time? Can you do this?

Jeremy, look up for me. Bud Adams, I believe at the time he was the owner of the Oilers. He was wearing a blue leisure suit and he got fined for me. middle fingers that I believe he did old man style, no kickstands, just straight up, two middle fingers to the crowd with no kickstands. I need...

No kickstand. The thumbs were tucked in, huh? It was just two middle fingers trying, they were flying naked. They had no support. He's right. It was just old man shit, and it was a blue leisure suit. And what championship rings

on each ring finger. Ooh, that's boss right there. There is no other obscene gesture, though, right? If I do one hand across... You can grab the package. That's an obscene gesture. We can find a few. Like one of these right here.

The grabbing of the package is an obscene gesture. I don't think that one gets him ejected. Do you think that one gets him ejected? I don't think anybody does that anymore. Do you think that gets someone objected? I think if blood out of us, we're doing this to crowd. So that for the audio audience is just basically slapping below your bicep to kick up the other arm halfway. It's not a middle finger.

It's just basically I'm doing my whole forearm as a middle finger. I mean, it wants to be a middle finger. That's what that's birth from. You can also do the wanker. That's more of an insult in Europe. How you do that? I'm not going to do that. This was 2009.

He was fined $250,000. He was 86 years old when he did this. So 125 a bird. I think Middle Finger is the only obscene gesture first ballot, a Hall of Famer. Nanny, nanny booboo. Yeah, what about a nanny, nanny booboo? You put like the moose antlers. It's the same family of garbage.

There's only one first ballot, obscene gesture, Hall of Famer, right? First ballot. Grabbing the package is not first ballot? No, grabbing the package. That's a good one. First ballot? No. Joe Maurer. Who are you giving obscene gesture first ballot status other than the middle finger? What I grew up

calling the bird. That's it. That's it. That's it. So it's not even a Hall of Fame. It's not really actually an entire museum. It's basically just one exhibit. It's Bud Adams' middle finger, no kickstand. That's the only thing in that Hall of Fame. It's called the Bird Hall of Fame. Okay, the bird is the word.

This is very myopic. You guys have clearly never seen Liam Gallagher enter or exit a room. I want to segue again here to an accusation against Zaslow. I read, awful announcing did a list of the best and worst local NFL announcers. But you laugh. Here's the accusation. You'd be careful because the accusation's headed your way. I believe that Zazlo voted on this

and was quoted in this article disparaging the Miami Dolphins local broadcasting team making them rank last among all NFL broadcasters. How could I have made them rank last? I think that I saw some quotes in there that read like things I've heard you say. Yeah. Okay, so they're ranked last.

Yes, they were ranked 32nd on awful announcing's local broadcasts for the NFL. And you're telling me, whoever, a broadcast that was ranked dead last, I would be the only one who would say certain things. Not, not you're the only one, but they had 93 votes, 16 Ds is a grade, 17 Fs, and I believe you were one of the Fs, and I believe you were quoted in the article. Tell me I'm wrong.

I'm going to tell you, I will, I am not copying to that at all. I am not going to confirm more than I. Awkward denial. I mean, I just, I don't know. There's no proof. It's good. There's no proof for that. It sounded a lot like you.

What sounded like me? I'm dangerously close to going happen to know on that. What did it say? What did it say? What did it say? Yeah, what'd say? What'd say? I want to know the quote.

Probably damning. If you put a vote in front of me right now, vote on the dolphins broadcast, ABC, D, or F, I'm obviously giving it an F. I mean, yeah, obviously. and clearly I was not the only one. It was ranked last. A lot of people gave an F. So you are admitting you gave it an F. Oh, no, I'm not admitting to anything. I'm saying if you asked me right, no, if you asked me right now, what would my vote be?

Yeah, I'd give him an F. Yeah. But you didn't then, but you would know. I want you guys to keep an eye on him and see how incriminating this is. Just look at his face because I've got to read from this article, and you guys just look at him and tell me whether or not it gives you a glimpse of incrimination here, okay? Cephalo is, quote, the worst is. in the business for the last 20 years. He's been doing play-by-play for years and never gets any better.

Cephalo is a horrible play-by-play guy, makes way too many mistakes. I feel bad for Joe Rose. He's good. It's good. Big dog. What do you guys think? Anything? Did you guys see anything there that would suggest that?

Strong poker face right now. That Zaslo has... I have... You read that. to read you one up and see, I feel like I have heard Zaz say this on this show, okay? He's been doing play-by-play for years and never gets any better. He has a horrible play-by-play guy, makes mistakes, and you don't know what he's going to say. But the rest of the product has useless, zero idea what's going on, not a talk show, but they sound like it.

Didn't even move a muscle in this face for the last two minutes. That's a poker face right there. Destroy all you in poker. There were also remarks going after their preceded homerism, including their play-by-play as abysmal. the analysis is 100% homerism, which is fine except they're not very good at it, which is what they're hired to do, excite and inform the fan base. Listen, are

all of those things the way that I feel? Yes, they are. What do you got against Cephalo? It sounds personal. No, it's not personal. He was a terrible broadcaster. Funny. Who said that? I just like how you think that I had control

of like the entire, like I put them last. It's Mike on Mike crime. You're both leaning into a microphone for a living. You're supposed to be publicly not brutal. Really? Yeah. I didn't know that. It wasn't publicly brutal.

That was private, off the record. Well, on the record, but anonymously. Coward. I admit to nothing. But you deny nothing as well. I will not confirm or deny. Zaz, wasn't there a play that Jimmy had the call on that something weird happened in the game and you said you couldn't understand what was going on that there was a pick, but there was a fumble.

Yeah, that's every play. Oh, every play. The Minka Fitzpatrick 2-point conversion. I was in the car listening to that, and I had no idea. I had no idea what happened, what was going on. I was just generally confused. I'm just staring in my radio, and I'm like, what? So last week, a few days ago, was like seven years maybe it was for the miracle in Miami.

Grzowski. Yeah, yeah. Gwokowski doesn't have the angle. you know and Kenyon Drake scores the touchdown and so on one of these videos on Twitter like they attached the Dolphins radio call to it and it's an incredibly exciting play I mean it was a it's called Miracle in Miami all right Cephalode and tell you what was going on until Kenyon Drake was at the 10-yard line