The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: 457 Unopened Text Messsages (feat. Nick Wright)

Episode Date: May 28, 2025

Nick Wright makes a bunch of excuses for why he is a generally rude person and gives us his three ways to fix the NBA. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is the Don LeBattor Show with the Stugats Podcast. Two conversations I want to include Nick Rydon, just based on the craziness of what just happened. Nick, have you ever hated anyone inside or outside of sports and you simply cannot explain and don't have any introspective way to access why you hate that person because Keith Yandle just said that he hated VJ Singh and I don't know that I've ever been more shocked in my life. I'm not even certain Yandle knows why he hates VJ Singh. He doesn't! That's the point I'm making! You should be certain he doesn't know! He doesn't know! No, my any sports hate I've had is long time coming. Like the, it's too God's will like this and people, you know,

may or may not know this about me, but I, as a young child, I was a Knicks fan because I was from Kansas city. We didn't have a team. My mom was from New York. And when I was a little kid, I went to a Knicks game at Madison square garden. So as a little kid, I was kind of an adopted Knicks fan. So I hated PJ Brown, but that kind of an adopted Knicks fan. So I hated

PJ Brown, but that was because he picked up Charlie Ward, body slammed him. Yeah, of course. There's a very bad reason. Yes. Right. And so I hated him. Perfectly reasonable. Totally reasonable. I somewhat, irrationally, but again, because of the Knicks fandom, really didn't like Reggie Miller. Again. And then that was only further

Validated by the fact that he's talked about as an all-time great despite being 18 3 & 3 a couple third team all MBAs And you know look at those playoff numbers. They're not exactly what the NBC on NBA NBA on NBC will have you believe And he's playing he's playing the game Nick.'s playing the game. Nick, I want to help you, Nick, because I like you. OK? I don't know this stuff. What we're playing is say what Dan wants you to say, not what you think. But I don't have that.

I don't have the, I just don't like the cut of your jib. No, like I'm a rational actor. That's who Dan's looking for, though. Also then, all right, well then, let's start over. Ask me, and I'll tell you. No, I'll include you on the well then, let me, let's start over. Ask me and I'll tell you. No, no, I'll include you on the other conversation, which I am certain, by the way, I don't have to tell him what to tell me here. I am certain he will be on this great subject, great on this subject without any warning.

We just had Yandle say that Connor McDavid is the greatest athlete in all of sports right now. Why is he right or why is he wrong? Well, it's just obvious. I mean, the, because Patrick Mahomes exists because if we're talking about guys who are still playing, but not in their prime, LeBron exists. I mean, I hate to go full Stugats with Stugats on the show, but what's Connor McDavid done? Why is Connor McDavid the greatest athlete in all of sports? Like it, listen, it is a rich tapestry, any of these,

you know, the qualifiers we give guys, but at some point, accomplishment needs to at least be included in the equation. It can't, that's a first cousin of Justin Herbert's a top five quarterback. Like, I don't know, maybe in practice, like at some point you need to actually add some pelts on the wall. Not that McDavid hasn't, but in comparison to the other

actual people in contention for greatest living athlete, he's our greatest active athlete. He certainly hasn't like, come on, that's just foolishness. And I don't even know anything about hockey. So you're just saying rings at this point not the fact that Conor McDavid's a heart trophy MVP hold on Roy no no no Roy tell me if I'm wrong Roy the because I know in hockey they get instead of just being like league MVP they give it some silly name the heart heart trophy is the season- MVP, correct? Regular season. How many does he have? Three, I believe.

Okay. So that, so right. So it's not a Gretzky situation where Gretzky won seven in a row to start his career. Where is, so he has, he has three, which is really good, but there's active athletes right now with as many or more who then also have the further accomplishments. I also assumed Conor McDavid had won at least one championship. Am I wrong? Has he not? He's never won it. I assumed he was a one or two ring guy and I still thought it was bad. Is Jokic a better athlete?

Jokic is better at it. A better athlete. Like can he run faster? No, but yeah, I would say Yoke-ich If I am ranking current athletes, how could you not have Joker hire? How could you not? Well, I just think that the difficulty in how you're presenting the argument is when you say I don't know anything about hockey But where are the rings it does it sort of I didn't I didn't say where are the rings? I said I assumed he had some. I guess my point is this. I don't know... there's a lot of things sports wise that I know you know a little bit about and if somebody is superseding the sport I then know a lot about them. Like I know a lot about IndyCar driver Alex Palo.

I know a lot about Kaitlyn Clark. I knew a lot about Katie Ledecky a decade ago. The fact that I know so little about Connor McDavid to me is proof in and of itself. He's a legendary hockey player who is not, he's not yet in the discussion for greatest living athlete. Like you didn't need to know much You could be my level of hockey fan in the 80s and you knew a lot about Wayne Gretzky And so and again, I I didn't think we were gonna talk hockey. We talk hockey

Yandle just put him ahead of Shohei Otani Okay Deal sold because again of Shohei Otani. Okay, deal, sold. Because again, Shohei has a ring. What are you guys doing? I'm talking, I'm not talking about, Shohei Otani has to be the best athlete. Has to be. Why? Because he can pitch, he can hit and pitch. Well then it's a Catholic. Okay, so then I guess by Dan's silly metric, then I guess the silver medalist is already Travis Hunter Right because it's just and I like Travis But it's just he can do an extra thing other people can't like I don't know about that

I think I think that there isn't there a strong argument and by the way show he hasn't pitched in a year There's a very strong argument that show he is not the best player in his sport right now. There's an argument that's been Aaron Judge the last year and a half. Go ahead. Sorry, where would you put Tebow on the list? Cause he played baseball and football. Right.

Neither well, but he played both. Stugats, back to the 90s Knicks. What about this Charlie Ward erasure? Guy won the Heisman. There was a point guard for it in the NBA finals. I guess he's better than Joe Montana, who all he could do was play one sport. It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Like this is, this is a second cousin, Dan, of the greatest athlete in the world, is whatever guy wins the decathlon every four years. Oh, he can jump over the water and throw the jams. I will say there was at one point that I made Alexander Karelin, the undefeated Russian wrestler, the greatest athlete on the globe. You did.

He did that, Nick. Because no one could beat him. But when I think of great athletes, when you you're talking like I can make the argument for Russell Westbrook as physically just physically but sure this is part of what we're talking about though being able to pitch and hit at that level would make somebody have a skill set of athleticism that no other athlete but Nick is saying you can't be considered the greatest current playing athletes in the world and not have won anything. And McKeith doesn't want to think.

Nick, let me defend Keith a little. He's talking skill. The speed of Connor with the hand high, the hand eye puck control. Yeah, but Nick is factoring in winning. I'm just saying that's what Keith was saying. Most skill. Again, it does seem like, and I enjoy this,

that we're having seven different arguments simultaneously. If we are asking like, who is the greatest raw physical specimen athlete alive? Then all like, or, and of our lifetimes, like peak Russell Westbrook is on the list. Obviously LeBron is on the list. It just is Travis Hunter because of the cardiovascular stuff.

Those guys, sure. I will listen to that argument I do think that in a team sport even in a team sport construct when the goal is winning that the the cost of admission is Some level of winning and then you we can all we can all be in the room together. It's why, like again, I'll bring up even older sports but close to Miami in tart, it's why one cannot make the argument Dan Marino is the greatest quarterback of all time even if you watched him you're like he's the best I've ever seen. Now I do not think it then goes so far in the other direction which is well obviously Ben

Rathlasberger is better than Brett Favre because one's got two and one's got one I think that's stupid but I do think that if the goal is winning you have to demonstrate a certain threshold of winning I think that's obvious okay and again for all I know Connor McDavid's won the last four Stanley Cups and you guys are playing a joke on that So that values your entire argument at the end if you're saying I don't know anything about hockey if anything it makes it stronger He thought he was overrated before with the championship and now I'm finding out he has no champion Yeah, zero Nick. I hate to be the bear of bad news

You're even more right than you thought with the bear of bad news the bearer of bad news and you were the bearer of Tim Tebow information. Thank you for nothing there. Nick Wright, I want- It's a wild Billy Wednesday. I understand. There are no rules. There are no- Well, he's the best.

There are a number of things that I want to talk to you about, but just on the television right now, we go to immediately OKC, a dynasty. And I, like what, I mean, just it's- We'll get to the finals. Okay, but- Couple weeks, like what it is. I mean just it's Okay, but a couple weeks that's all we'll have there. They're tonight away from the finals Yeah, I know listen, they're gonna win. So all I I said yesterday that I thought they won the championship in game four So I don't think it's too far to talk about them that they are this year's champion and that's not trying to disrespect the Pacers Or the Knicks if they can come back but okay So he's gonna win the championship the point that I would make and this is something it is amazing to me

How many people want to just make the same mistake that everyone made year after year? Four of the last five NBA champions, we are certainly, let me go three of the last four, we were certain. Well, they're about to win a bunch and none of them have even been to round three. It's the last seven. Isn't it the last seven, seven champions? Oh yes, but I'm not, but yes, correct. But my point is when the, when the Raptors won We didn't then think they were about to reel off a bunch because Kawhi was gonna leave when the Warriors won in 22 I'm not sure we thought they were about to reel off a bunch

We thought that was kind of the end of what was an unbelievable era However, when the Bucks won in 21, we were all like, geez Louise, the honest goat conversation, maybe how many is he going to win? He hasn't seen round three. Certainly when the Nuggets won two years ago, it was, well, they're the huge favorites. They're going to win again. They were the dominant team all year. They get clipped also in round two.

And the Celtics, this is my problem with the OKC conversation a lot of the people who you are going to see arguing OKC could start a dynasty 12 days ago were arguing the Celtics were starting their dynasty they didn't even think they were gonna win this championship now we're giving them four more the other thing about okc is and they are brilliant and they're gonna go 84 and 19 or 84 and 20 and have the rightful league MVP all of that but it is with that people are like man can you imagine Sam Presti with this young talent this good that many assets.

Like, yeah, I saw it 13 years ago and they haven't been back to the finals since because I don't know that that team, that ownership is gonna pay the requisite money. And I also think that it always feels like in the NBA, the team that just won is gonna keep winning. And the last decade has proven that's not the case. So I do think they're the best team

I do think they're gonna be the champions I if people are asking me I argued with Danny Parkins about this yesterday if you set Shays career titles set the line at two the Obvious smart bet is the under and if you set it at one and a half even after he wins this one it's a debate what the smart side is. I mean I wanted to see if you and Nick had any agreement or disagreement on fixing the NBA's rule issues. What happened Nick? I have them all fixed and so I mean the only way we're going to agree is if Amin's got it right as well. Okay. Like I just have it all fixed. And so I mean, the only way we're going to agree is if Amin's got it right as well. OK.

I just have it all fixed. All right. All right. So let's see whether Amin has any before. Look, Nick Wright, I don't know he's had some public issues before with Amin, who's accused him of stealing some things from him. Club superstar, volume four.

That's the initial thing. Guess when that comes out on First Things First. Today at 4 o'clock, one in, one out, Club Superstar, the fourth edition is today. It's great to talk to Amin on that day. How are you, sir? But you wanna hear my fixes? No, no, no, no, no. No, I think Amin needs to give you his fixes

and see if they match up with yours. And I gotta set up your- Because you've already fixed it, Nick. I've gotta set up your feud with Pablo because you feel like you've vanquished Amin already here. You stole his thing, made fun of him, and now you're moving on to feud with Pablo. I didn't steal a means thing.

Two smart people had similar ideas, and they existed in an ecosystem where they were unaware of each other's ideas, and that's all it was. There was no theft done, and the only beef came from the fact that a mean was spreading scurrilous rumors about me that I was an Idea thief that I was who was that terrible comic?

Carlos Mencia you were thinking of the other I'm thinking of the white guy. Um Who was very popular? Quickly Dane Cook. There we go. Absolutely. You think I'd come on this show and insult Carlos Mencia give me a break Dan and so but so I that was the only beef but I mean go ahead no no we're gonna do this the right way this time you're gonna go first I love it all right so none of these address load management or the three-point shot anything it's just stuff people watching the games hate in them right now. First one is challenges. This is the simplest thing ever.

You know how everyone on the court is allowed to do this and the rest like, Oh, okay, time out. You're allowed to do it. Guys, guess what? This is binding. You can do it whenever you want, but that's binding. That's your challenge. And if you're out of challenges, then it's a technical foul. And by game five of next season, you'll never see it again. You will never see a player

hit someone in the arm and then do this silliness or two guys, the ball goes out of bounds. Everyone on the court is doing this good change good This is binding it is simple and you can even be like hey has the added benefit if there's a minute and a half Left in a game. You're a brilliant player You understand the situation the guys on the assistant coaches on the sideline have dropped the tablet. They can't do it You're like, oh man, they're about to inbound the ball we challenge but that's binding this motion is like this motion it's binding I mean tell me why that's not great because it is I like where your head is that we're identifying that we have a problem with people twirling their fingers yes but I

do this is he's just helicoptering his right finger around I think we all agree with that he's arrived at a consensus opinion yeah stop doing that we don't need any of that anymore but I don't think he goes far enough. Wow. Oh. I submit to you, get rid of challenges altogether. Oh, I mean, I agree. I a hundred percent agree. You said it first, Will. It's an agree-off. Well, I've been, no, I'm anti-replay in the NFL.

I'm anti-re replay across the board. The only sport that has it right is tennis and that's because they just make something up. They're like, hey, the robots told us it's here and we're all like, okay, cool, we believe you. And we move on. That's exactly my vision is the only thing that we that get reviewed are those black and white things.

Was the inbounds out of bounds? Was it a two or is it a three? Was the inside the restricted area or not? That kind of stuff. No, not that. Not inside the restricted area or not. No, no, listen. Don't like that.

I mean it in the sense that when I watch tennis, was it in or out? It's instant. We see that animation of the ball going, oh. And there's suspense involved. That's a good sound effect. That's a good sound effect. I love that about tennis.

It's not a whole lot of guys standing under a hood and watching and stuff. We just see the shadow of the ball. Tennis figured it out. Whoa. That's what we need in basketball. Listen, I would love to remove all replay. With replay, I would like to get,

if we're going to have it, back to, people don't remember this. In the NFL, they used to have I think was 45 seconds and they would in the stadium play the final Jeopardy music because it was yes it was if they don't have an answer within 45 seconds call in the field stands because it's not clear and obvious we've gotten miles away from that I've kind of lost hope that we're gonna change that. So, but that would be better,

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Titties this is the down libertar show with a stugats All right rule rule change. How many are there? How many rules? All right, three of them. Okay, sorry. Rule change two. Again, I'm gonna borrow from football.

You know how in football you can decline a penalty? Yes. Okay, to get rid of the hacker strategy, if you are fouled outside of the final two minutes of the game, which are the quarter, which is the only time the hacker strategy exists, you are allowed to simply say, we appreciate the offer for free throws. We will take the ball sideline out of bounds instead. We find the another good rule. Another fine rule. There's a massive flaw in there. Tell me. We can just infinitely foul you.

But here's why that is again, not realistic or accurate. You can't though, because you have limited number of players, you're not going to be able to do it. You're not going to want to have the entirety of your team in foul trouble. And by the way, if you try to execute that strategy, then after eight fouls of my possession, when there's one second on the shot clock, I will then say, okay, we'll take these free throws. I hope it was worth it to you to do that, but that would end it.

And now another fine rule, another fine rule change. Now the best one. Okay. If a team is leading by three or more and the shot clock is turned off, meaning we're in the final 24 seconds and they commit, they do the foul to prevent a three thing. So, but the way to make that very black and white is the circumstances are you are up three plus you, you are in the final 24 seconds teams in

the bonus and you commit a foul outside of the three-point line it is a three-shot foul and now the fouling up three is gone like it what do you mean why not tell me not because guys should make their free throws because it's a strategy this is is the NBA is no more valuable than polar bears skating on ice. It's an entertainment product. And anything that we can do to make the game more entertaining that that makes sense. There's already plenty of rules about when you can and can't foul. This is worth one free throw. This is worth two. This is worth three. Tweaking one of them to say this specific situation results in three free throws instead of two.

It makes it better for the fans, rewards great plays at the end, and is an easy fix. Why is that bad? It's bad for a couple reasons. Number one, this is all coming off the heels of what happened at the end of game four of Wolves vs Thunder. no one, and I mean it's funny, no one has ever talked about how the Wolves executed poor offense in that situation. You know when you're playing against a team that fouls up three, that what you have to do is you've got to draw up your plays so that when your guy catches, catches facing the basket and in a position to shoot immediately.

The walls are thrown up where you're catching on the sideline or thrown into the backcourt. They ran bad offense. That's why that strategy worked. Sorry, I fell asleep here. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He didn't touch it to you. Should have run a better slob in bounds play and then we could have gotten a good Shooting more No, they no they wouldn't shoot any free throws because teams wouldn't do it we would get a natural ending

That's what we would get that's what what what what what what? How do you how do you differentiate between a real foul and an intentional foul in that situation? You know, it's saying any foul outside of the three point line. Any foul outside of the three point line in the final 24 seconds by a team up three plus is three free throws. It's very simple. So basically you're saying, hey, let the offense

do whatever the hell it wants to get a shot off. No, he's saying don't foul him. You're gonna have a guy start his dribble. This is what's saying don't foul him. You're gonna have a guy though start his dribble. This is what I'm gonna tell you guys. You're gonna do this rule and you know what's gonna happen? Shay Gildedge and Alexander is gonna get fouled 50 feet away from the basket and everyone's gonna be like, oh my God, this foul immersion, that's not offense,

that's not basketball, that's not fun. You guys don't see the unintended consequences in all this stuff. By the way, I've thought of the, I think unintended consequences are a very important thing. And I've thought about them quite a bit, which is why I properly manicured it exactly the way I did about inside the final 24 seconds have to be in the bonus and have to be leading by at least three.

But if you're saying the unintended consequences is there's going to be more public shame for Shay Gilgis, Alexander flopping about like a fish on a boat that's a positive. Ain't no shame in winning brother. That's a positive. Ain't no shame in that MVP trophy. This is why Nick Wright is the media giant that he is because whatever your arguments he's already considered them and dismissed them he is a dragon. They're manicured his argument to make it to make sure that whatever your fertilizer is He's he's already thought of it. I would make it for free throws Nick. Okay that way you know that no one will ever foul How was that? Alright, I'm not Nick do not buy supported you I know just do that don't take the you know what's two gods. I'll take another consideration Thank you

The the other things that I wanted to talk to you about here before you get out of here is the nature of your Beef with Pablo Torre. I don't know what is happening with Pablo He's getting a lot of award nominations, but people don't seem to be very happy for him. He didn't win by the way They were announced. Oh were they announced? One the big one the Peabody's were announced won the big one. We won the big one today We lost the big one and the Peabody in the loss the Peabody today No, hold on. Do we think he lost the Peabody because of Billy's theory about the smut peddling? The Bill Belichick reporting that he's doing for clicks? Cheap and dirty? I'm so glad you

said that. Listen, I find it very fascinating and honestly, really, I don't know, maybe in a way that says a bad thing about me, delightful, that Pablo is this, you know, I don't know if you guys have heard, he went to Harvard. He's this erudite guy, shows up on MSNBC, he's doing, he has done some really valuable and important reporting on that podcast. I don't

say that sarcastically. I mean it. I think the stuff he did about trans athletes was like groundbreaking and really good haunted hotel. And the only thing anybody cares about is the Bella checks girlfriends. It's so great. Yesterday, yesterday, he said he was like, I'm willing to take them to court. Yes. If they don't, if they don't fulfill the freedom of information act requirements. And I'm like, you know what, Pablo in this moment in America at this very time, I can think of no better use of a state court's time than a man.

What would do who got copied on whose email? It's just the greatest. And I love that this is where everyone is paying attention because it is objectively a good podcast. But you brought up a beef. I did not think we had a beef. But then he sent a tweet that made it seem like we have a beef. So, let me, so somebody asked if me and Wilds would come on again, he said, I've invited, get Nick right back onto Pablo finds out. So my only available conclusion is that he's been ducking us. Would like to find out why.

The offer stands. And now, okay, so now we have to do some awkward things. That I, listen, nobody wants to do this, but you're gonna publicly tweet that Pablo. Now Pablo might say, Nick, I privately reached out, which may be true, but I'm going to try to show this to the camera because I'm one of these guys. That right there says 457 unopened texts, 390 missed calls and 12,000 emails. Power move.

I'm not great at the like tech, reading my texts, replying, I'm not good at that. And I actually think for those folks out there, the strategy behind that, then I'll get back to Pablo, is this, if you always instantly reply to texts, then when you are trying to duck or avoid someone or a tough conversation or something, and you don't reply, they know something's up.

If you're just generally rude to everyone, then when they, if you're trying to avoid something, it's like, oh shit, I didn't see that. And they're like, well, it might be true. Like he also didn't reply when I said, hey, wanna go to dinner. So like there is that. Here's the other thing.

Cover story. There, I, and I say this, I tried it. Listen, there are three shows that I am a regular recurring guest on. They are three shows that I am a regular recurring guest on. They are three shows hosted by three of my professional idols. The Dan Lebatard show. Thank you. The Howie Cowherd show and the Dan Patrick show.

Those three shows, if they call, I am always available. There are then shows hosted by people I'm friendly with that if they call, I'm like, hey, I will try to make time as I did for the Chris and Greg Cody show. I was just about to say that. Thank you for that. He was like, hey, you wanna come on?

Like no problem. Chris, how long did it take to get back in touch with him? I'd be honest. Quick actually, if I remember. I didn't have the numbers saved. I didn't know who I was talking to. And so that's the if you have the time to your right. But well, there's an important part of that.

Those very often are grand opening, grand closing events. If Chris two weeks later had text me again was like, hey, buddy, everybody loved it. Let's run it back. And it, by the way, Chris's all I had to do was open up my laptop. Pablo's I got to pay for a car, get to a studio, pay for a car bet. Like buddy, this is costing me money and it's a lot of time. And I'll be honest. I mean, I thought it was fine.

I didn't think we were gonna win any Peabody's ourselves with that, hey, Nick, here's your bad takes of the last year Defend'em Pod. So I don't think it's a beef. I just, I didn't know that I was, you know, all of a sudden a recurring guest, like you see certain people on TV shows. So that's all it was.

Why wouldn't you want to work for free for Pablo's benefit? It's not even for free, it's at a cost. Right. It's all about that car service. Free would have been great. I gotta be honest, free, maybe I could have done. But I'm like, wait, this cost me $140. It's not illegal labor, but he's asking you to come and do two hours of his program so

he can benefit. Well, and again, so I don't, this is probably not the proper forum to address this Probably I should have just because I think the last time I was on here While I was on here Pablo texted me I have not I again part of that text thing is also a weird anxiety Which is I saw it and I was like, uh-huh And then I was like all I'll read that later and I've never read it and I've never opened that text thing is also a weird anxiety, which is I saw it and I was like, uh, bah. And then I was like, I'll, I'll read that later. And I've never read it and I've never opened that text again. So I'm,

I'm sure then his public, you know, I feel touched because in the same day, he was basically like, Hey, can anyone, there's two people I need to get a hold of. I'm going to go public. Nick Wright and Sir Mix-a-lot and Sir Mix-A-Lot responded, so I mean, bully for him. Uh. Chris Cody has never identified with anyone more. Everything. This texting, like.

Everything Nick Wright has said about texting, Chris Cody is just like, this is exactly how I feel. It's how you play the game. This is, you are soul mates when it comes to texting. I've never seen. I do it all the time of, I see this text, oh man, I don't know exactly, I'm gonna get back to this one in like an hour. He plays that one. It's the feeling this text. Oh man, I don't know exactly. I'm going to get back to this one in like

an hour. He plays that one with me. No, it's just, that's the game he plays with me. You can imagine my frustration when he plays that one with me. Yes. Yeah. No, I have a listen. You and I, Dan, one of the very first times I ever came on, I don't know, it was this show But it was you were really just doing you know what I call the lebatard fastball Which is let's just try to really peel back the layers of this guy's soul and see what makes him it and you got into My family, but whether or not I was gonna burn my entire life to the ground gambling all of it I was the old number one. we were talking about LeBron.

And so this is kind of a first cousin of that. I have really weird, like it's a similar feeling that I think people get watching that Nathan Fielder show. Oh, it's so good. That's like secondhand embarrassment. But a cousin of that is like, ooh, I don't know that I want to just see this text and I'll just not open it. And it's so that happens to me sometimes. And so am I making excuses for just being a generally rude person? Maybe. But it is true. And you've also buried Pablo yet again,

publicly, your rivalry. You seem to be undefeated so far as it comes to this. Do you have any other media beefs going on right now at present? You didn't want any part of the state of the problems last week. No, it's no media. You know what?

Let me be gracious. Because for the eighth straight year, first things first was not nominated for best studio show weekly at the Sports Emmys. And that's fine, we need to do better. I get it. When I saw the list of nominations, PTI was on there. I'm like, okay, that should probably just win every year. Or the best daily. I said weekly, best daily studio show, sorry. And that made me happy. And then there were a few other ones on there

I don't remember all of them, but one of them was in fl live hosted by uh one of my media rivals Mina kimes And when I saw they won I was very happy Because I think that they do a really good job and I mean is excellent that they do a really good job and I mean as excellent obviously I don't think she's as good as me at anything but I do think she is excellent and I was happy she was chicken wing. It's just a chicken wing. It's on the way out right here.

It's just chirped there. Take one of these to the boards. That's not true. I have to amend that. Don't put that on social. She's better than me at being like this is why the cover three works in this spot again, stuff that I, yeah sure. I'm happy. Let's give them the big one.

Yes, information, nutrients, Nick's like, yeah, but show me the entertainment. You're like, show me the entertainment. What do we do? Like, are we on TV or are we in a dirty film room with tobacco in our mouth and being like, this is how we're gonna shut down Jaden Daniels this week, I don't know.

Kind of sounds exciting though. Regardless, so did you finish your point though? That's it? Like that's the end of the point? No, that's it. No, that was it. Congrats to NFL Live and all of them, but specifically my friend and me, Mina Kemp.

All right, so two minutes or less before we let you go, I am, it's harder and harder for me to keep up with all of the sports and information that I need to, so my WNBA coverage tends to be pretty glancing and... Oh, nothing like, got 90 seconds, let's dive into this WNBA topic. Thanks for that, we'll go ahead. It's down to 60. No, you know what?

You know what? I'm going to pull the parachute on it. No! Come on, don't do that. We'll go ahead. It's down to 60. No, you know what? I'm going to pull the parachute on it. No! Come on, don't do that. This is why we don't get the coverage we need. You got to cradle your neck back, by the way. Zero seconds for the W. All right, go Nick. Go Nick.

Well, listen. I think that there needs to be, we need to have an ability to be like, hey, I would like to talk about the basketball portions of the WNBA and rivalries and teams and all of that, this, and then also be like, Hey, and we can also talk about all of the other things, but we don't have to try to always do them simultaneously. And the basketball portion of the WNBA story early this year was to me a very simple one, which is there is nothing better for the league than if Kaitlyn Clark and Angel Reese have

a decade-long rivalry. And in order for that to happen, Angel Reese needs to do more Mike and drills because for the time being, she is right now a wildly famous rebounder defender and the person that everyone wants her to have a rivalry with is while injured, one of the five or six best players in the league. That's not going to gel and so or Caitlin needs to you know graduate past that and have a rivalry with Collier or Asia Wilson or Paige or Juju when she gets up there, but in the meantime, it's gotta be Peers as far as quality of players and right now that's not the case

That's the basketball point. That's just the basketball. Did you ask a question? I didn't really answer. I didn't ask a question. Or answer. Yeah, I didn't do much of anything there other than get out of the way. Nick, thank you for being on with us. Good seeing you and thank you for the kind words. And Cody, I'll come back on the pod in about two and a half years. Gotcha.