The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: America's Fascination With Luigi Mangione (Feat. Dylan Scott)

Episode Date: December 10, 2024

We kick off Hour 2 by celebrating Billy's epic recent run of form in his Billy's Big Board Bets Brought To You By. Plus, our beloved Mina Kimes killed it on The Simpsons broadcast of Monday Night Football last night and we revel in her achievement. What would Dan look like if he were Simpsonized? Then, Tony joins us from the pool for this week's Top 5. Who does Dan think should win Coach of the Year? Is there trouble in paradise in Philadelphia? Then, Dylan Scott of Vox has been covering healthcare in America for more than a decade and joins us to discuss the reaction to Luigi Mangione allegedly shooting and killed United CEO Brian Thompson. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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tuesday so when we a thursday thunder would be against the spirit of excuse me different game contract uh... contract here did any of you see meaner uh... and anything simpson's related last night because I didn't see anything. We have managed to blissfully avoid talking about two teams that have a great deal of relevance but aren't very good. And I was just watching the idea of people talking about,

oh, the Cowboys playoff chances. And I'm like, what are you talking about? They've lost every home game they've played this year. Like, what are you talking about? I don't wanna talk about that game, but what was Mina doing with the Simpsons? I saw that she said it was a career highlight, but I didn't see any of it

and don't know what she was doing. It was an alternate broadcast. So you have like the regular broadcast with Joe Buck, and then you have the Manning cast, and then last year they did a Toy Story broadcast, and this year there was a Simpsons broadcast, and Mina was on the call for the Simpsons broadcast. So she was in a booth and Mina was on the call for the Simpsons broadcast. So she was in a booth and she was calling the game

as the Simpsons character. Sometimes, this is the way the game would work. So everybody was connected to the players that were going on. If you're looking at the screen watching us on video, you can see she was Simpsonized. So that's what Mina Kimes would look like as a Simpsons character.

Dan Orlovsky was there as well. And then occasionally, while the plays were going on, they would drop in a Simpsons character. So like Bart would become the quarterback, who one time, a touchdown, spoiler alert, if you're gonna go back and watch the game as the Simpsons version of the game for some reason, Ralph scored a touchdown at one point in time.

Lisa had a nice run where fire was coming out of her. So it was a fun time had by all, and they checked in with, you know, Mina and Dan Orlowski weren't the only ones that became Simpsons characters. They checked in with, you know, Mina and Dan Orlovsky weren't the only ones that became Simpsons characters. They checked in with Stephen A. Smith, who was there as well as a Simpsons character at one point in time.

Did they get the look right on Mina? Because I felt like they scrubbed all of the ethnicity out of Mina. All of a sudden you've got, to be fair, none of them look, like I looked at the three people on the screen right there, it's supposed to be Mina, Dan, Orlovsky, and I don't even know who the third person is. None of them look like I looked at the three people on the screen right there It's supposed to be Mina then or Lasky And I don't even know who the third person is none of them look like any of the people they're supposed to be so awful

All right, let's counter since it's not awful. It was good. It did great. Okay, Greg looks like the Simpsons character I feel like you Simson izing you would be pretty easy. Do you yeah, cuz you got a look about you. Yeah. Yeah All right, whatever. I didn't think Mina looked Simpson eyes did not flatter Mina. I didn't think But I could be wrong. I mean it wasn't like a beauty pageant. It was you know football game I know, you know, I was once made into a ducktail character Greg, how do you feel about the last 30 seconds of content? You've given this show the last 30 seconds Yeah, you just sort of whimsically parasoled into the conversation and offered nothing. Well, whimsy apparently I offered since I whimsically parasoled in.

I mean, I don't know what I'm going to offer. You're talking about caricature. Nobody looks good as a Simpson character. Is this Stephen A. Smith? That can't be Stephen A. Smith. Oh, that's Stephen A. Smith. That's Prince. You got nothing but the forehead right. You got nothing else right. Let's counter Simpson's programming with our own beefcake. Let's go out to Tony Poolside. It is time for Tony's top five. Tony coming off a very successful weekend. MMA

Hangout is becoming more and more popular. He is crushing it on Saturday nights around the fights. What do you have for us today for our top five list on your football observations, Tony? Dan O'Noel, as you can see this is kind of a chill day today. We've had a long weekend. We had the amazing Sunday service brought to you by the boys at God Bless. We've had a long weekend. We had the amazing Sunday service brought to you by the boys at God Bless Football. We had an MA Hangout.

We had Sunday Night Live last night. So a plethora of things that we got into this weekend. So today, chilling by the pool. No OLI, we're gonna go straight top five. Dan, are you ready? I am in just a second. I can say what I'm about to say and be accurate, right? There is no place in the United States

where the temperatures is good as where Tony is right now correct California is cold in the morning California can get cold there is nothing like what there is nothing in December like what Tony is doing right now for winter which is it is lovely out there it's beautiful out there and Tony's ready to give you his football top five well to be honest with you Dan it's not just Miami and Arizona right now it's about 75 degrees during the daytime. At night it gets cold, but right now I can sit by my pool. That's fine.

It does. In the morning and night it gets cold in California and Arizona. Virgin Islands are great now too. I said United States. US Virgin Islands. It's in British. Key West is pretty nice. Contiguous, contiguous.

South Florida, yes, thank you. Go ahead, number five, Tony. Number five, Dan, oh, I'm actually gonna kick it out to you for a dealer's choice. Okay, Dan, you're my dealer. Here's the dealer's choice. Coach of the Year update. I'm gonna give you three names.

Dan Campbell, Kevin O'Connell, Mike Tomlin. Dealer's choice, who do you pick? Oh, I guess I'd have to take Dan Campbell just because they're a historic laughing stock. I got a different one Jim Harbaugh, ooh, okay, Greg Observation is asking Dan who he thinks the coach of the year is Yeah, yeah, that's what I hate that is Number four Number four Number four

Eagles keep winning but there's trouble in paradise between number one and number 11 Dan I don't know if you saw Brandon Graham yesterday said that there was a little bit of a Situation going on in the relationship with QB one and wide receiver one. I don't like that He said more than that. He said that Jaylen is trying and that AJ has to adjust parts of how he receives things. Like that was an unbelievable bit of dirty laundry to have. Is he, is the guy who said that even playing or is he injured?

I think he's injured. I mean, you're coming off IR just to create a controversy for your team during an interview. That is not good work by that guy. You're not even in the building. Number three. Number three, como coño. OK, Dan Lee, you can translate for the audience.

Como carajo. Tu puedes tocar la pelota on that punt. The punt got blocked. And you touch it, trying to pick it up. What are you doing? Not only did you cost me money, you You can touch the ball on that punt. How would you translate Billy Como Coño? How? Coño is an all purpose Spanish. Yeah. Like Como Coño. Como Carajo is easier. I mean, literally there's multiple ways to translate Como Coño because Como could be how and it can also be eat.

Coño can be a number of things. Spanish a confusing language. Greg, what can you tell us about last night's game and the stupidity that you saw at the end of it that conjured memories of leon let on thanksgiving it was awful mainly because i had big Dallas to win outright i picked them from a upset of the week in the Miami herald i had it i had it Dallas should have won that game how do you blow that on a on a punt i do not wind up with a ball after a block punt? I hadn't seen that in years. I don't know when's the last time I saw that. It was outrageous. Jerry Jones should have fired that guy right on the spot. Whoever touched that ball, I don't

recall his name, Jerry Jones should have run down from his suite onto the sideline, onto the field and fired that man who caused that. Number two, Tony. Number two, Dan, he's not top 10 in passing yards. He's not top five in touchdowns thrown. But if you took Josh Allen off the Bills, they'd be four and 13. That tells me one thing, Dan-o. You're gonna make him the MVP.

It starts with three letters. Sorry, exactly right, thank you Dan. MVP for Josh Allen. I think this is a record. I've named somebody the MVP in five straight weeks on Tony's Top Five. Put it on the poll please. Each one being different.

At LeBittar's show, does MVP start with three letters at LeBittar's show? What does it end with? Wow. Number one. Number one, Dan. Jags, Titans. I didn't think you would have this to lead off to be the number one. But Jags, Titans, 10 to 6, the game being played in every TV, in every sports bar, in hell.

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It's going fantastic my wife and I are staying home tonight we're watching the the debate on TV we're gonna want to do something special for dinner. It's a it's a nice day for me so far. Stugats! That sounds like a not a super nice night. The debate? Old people love that shit. Yeah. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. Old people do love that shit. And I'm old now.

I can't deny it anymore. This is the Don LeBattar Show with the Stugats! with us two guys. ["The Star-Spangled Banner"] America has been consumed by this story. I have told you, Greg, that I'm darkly fascinated by America's fascination with documentaries about murder, podcasts about murder, and video here of what has been a story that everybody's been talking about, where a man named Luigi Mangione, an Ivy League student, murdered in cold blood like an assassin's strike with a gun, allegedly.

The CEO of UnitedHealthcare, Brian Thompson. And a lot of people are viewing him as a bit of a vigilante on behalf of American outcries around the health industry. So we've got Dylan Scott on with us. He's a senior correspondent and editor for Vox. He's been covering global health for more than a decade and his latest article is called The Deep Roots of Americans' Hatred

of Their Health Care System. Thank you, Dylan, for joining us. And I guess give us an overview from your vantage point of how it is that you've experienced this story that has grabbed America's interest. Sure, Dan. Thanks for having me. And it has been a surreal few days. I've covered health care for more than more than 10 years. And this still feels kind of like the biggest moment on the beat in a lot of ways. And because largely of that public reaction that you described. You know, it's been like yesterday,

it has been sort of darkly humorous in a way. Like yesterday, when we learned his name was Luigi, I saw the anti-Italian memes and are those using Italian stereotypes. And I thought those, you know, my wife's maiden name is Campanella and they felt kind of absurd, and so it felt safe to laugh. But there's been this other tweet that I have been thinking about ever since I saw it over the weekend that kind of captures this, the, like, weird headspace that I find myself in.

And this was after the backpack was found in Central Park with the Monopoly money in it, and it was before he was identified, obviously, and he was sort of at the height of his mystery and public appeal, if we want to call it that. And this tweet said, it's like, this guy is like cigarette smoking. He's not going to be good for us in the long term. But in the short term, he is he's making this look cool.

And I feel like that kind of summed up the contradictory feelings that I've been both like picking up in the public response, but also been feeling myself. Because on the one hand, you know, not to be a scold, but you know, human life, I do believe human life is precious. And callousness about murder does make me uncomfortable. But on the other hand, as somebody who's covered healthcare for more than 10 years, I understand why people are so angry. I know the many ways that the healthcare system

screws people over. And I know that the stakes are really high for people when they go through those experiences. Like if you're in a serious medical situation, that's one of the most fraught moments of your life. So I've been trying to hold both of those ideas and doing so uneasily in my head at the same time over the past few days. What do you make though of the idea that people seem to be rooting for this suspect pretty

publicly? It's not okay, but is it understandable based on the reporting that you've been doing for a decade? Yeah, I mean, it's it's not okay But it is I do understand it You know, I do think it's like this is in a way is connected to trends that are sort of beyond health care You know in terms of like the crassness that we see in public life and in our society these days And I do think like the internet makes us more comfortable Maybe saying things that we want to want to want to say and like polite conversation but in terms of the healthcare system itself like you know people have been screwed over by health insurers and especially when you think back to the the days

before the Affordable Care Act you know there were people were denied coverage just because they were sick or they'd have medical, you know, claims for serious medical services and they would just be denied. And even today after the the ACA has been law, you know, now for more than 10 years and there are more protections, for example, for people with peer existing conditions. Health care, health insurers are are still up to other high jinx. People just in general feel like the costs of health care are too high. And the thing that I think sit here thinking about is, in a way, I'm not surprised that it was a health insurance executive that was targeted.

Because I feel like health insurers are the easy villain and are very screwed up health care system. Because it's like, what do they do? But at the same time, I know because I have been covering this for so long, that like everybody bears some of the blame, you know, the pharmaceutical companies, even the hospitals, even physicians, you know, and certainly health insurers.

And so like it's it's really complicated to untangle. And I don't know what we do with all this anger that people are feeling and sort of feel it freely expressing after the shooting last week but I I do understand where it comes from even if it makes me a little bit uncomfortable. I'm curious we've it seemed like we crossed the threshold here where I don't know if it was a CEO of any other type of fortune 500 company that could have been murdered and would have the same kind of response that came out here.

What impact do you think is going to happen on the health insurance industry as far as any changes because of their fear of, hey look the people are pissed. How pissed are they? Well one of them murdered one of our guys and the rest of them are like yeah. Yeah and that's what's so like paradoxical about this moment is it feels like, yes, there's like something is happening, this sort of live nerve has been exposed, and we're having to kind of stare the damage that the broken healthcare system has done to our society in the face. But I don't know like what we do with that.

You know, we've got a new in terms of like policy, you know, we've got a new administration, new Congress coming in next year. I'm sure they're going to look at things to do on health care policy. Are they going to propose big crackdowns on private health insurers, which Republicans in general have generally been more favorable towards? I don't know. The conversations about how to change things in pharma and the hospital system are even more difficult. Part of the reason I think health insurers, to your point, kind of get so much attention and so much vitriol

is like I said before, it's like, what do you guys really do? You're just like, you're moving money around. You're not taking care of anybody. You're not creating new cures that are gonna save people's lives. It's a mafia. You've heard Bill Byrd talk about this. It's a mafia.

Like this is, it's business corruption. You know, Pharma Bro is a symptom. Pharma Bro is a feature, not a bug, when he becomes the most hated man on the internet for charging $750 for a pill that should be $5. Like, you can tell us all the appalling stories. What's the thing that scares you the most? What do you view as the worst of what these mafiosos do?

Great, and I mean, you know, the one I've been fixated on lately is there has been recent reporting on health insurers using like AI-driven algorithms to figure out like how to deny people claims, basically, you know, using all of the tools that are at their disposal that apparently this guy was familiar with if you've seen the reporting about the words written on the bullets. And so yeah, it is like, you know, every one thing that's really interesting if you look at like the polling data about people's experience with health

insurance in the US is like by and large actually, and this does surprise me, Dan, I'll admit it, but it's, it's true. Most people will basically say like they're, they're mostly happy with their healthcare plan. But the, the catch is you have to remember a lot of those people are probably not using their healthcare that much. They're going to the doctor once a year. Maybe they have like one or two prescriptions, but they're not, they're not really using healthcare that much. So, for them, it's fine.

Oh, but Gallup found that the percentage of Americans who approve of their available healthcare is at an all time low. Totally, and people think the system is broken, they think the quality of healthcare is getting worse. But let me just follow, the catch I think is really interesting, and it's really to your point.

It's that the more people use their healthcare, the higher health insurance, the higher, I think, is really interesting. And it's really to your point. It's that the more people use their health insurance, the higher their medical bills, the less satisfied that they are. So it's almost like there's a lot of us living in a delusion that we have good health insurance until we try to use it. And then we see, we experience all of the problems with it, and it gets really frustrating.

And it makes us angry. And I think that has created these attitudes where people think the health it and it's really frustrating. And it makes us angry. And I think that has created these attitudes where like people think the healthcare, it's only like 30% of the American public think the healthcare system overall is doing a good job. And yes, as you said, the number of people who think they're getting quality healthcare here in the United States is on an all time low,

which is a really shocking thing because for all of its problems, like if you can get good health care in the United States you can get the best health care in the United States and that has always been true and it does continue to be true but that caveat is sort of the whole problem if you can get it and too many people can't and it's so expensive and that's why we're seeing the reaction that we have it's up to the government to fix a broken health care system but in the

meantime how about we don't commit cold-blooded murder against the guy heading a health care system i hate any attempt to justify this murder on any level okay even if you hate big pharma even if you you're being charged five hundred bucks for a pill that should

cost ten it doesn't justify this murder. And I hate any implication that it does. I guarantee you this, when the alleged murderer is up on trial, there's going to be no mitigating factor here. The jury's not going to say, well, he killed someone who was head of United Healthcare, so let's be light on him. That's not going to happen happen and it shouldn't.

And I apologize, that's not a question. It really isn't, but it's a hell of a diatribe. I salute you. You have rarely had this kind of righteous indignation at the end of a show. Well, because I'm hearing so much justification for this heinous, cold-blooded murder. No matter who the victim is,

let's not justify it on any level. And I totally agree with you. And that's been, you know, if you read the piece I wrote last week, that was sort of my point. Like, there's not one person, there's not even one industry to blame for all of our problems. I'll read it for you. I'll read it right now.

There is not one man nor even one industry responsible for the failures of U.S. health care. The finger pointing is a distraction. Every party bears responsibility. The only way forward is to reckon with that collective failure. We need to begin working toward a more rational and just system if we are to have any hope of creating a world in which Thompson's shooting would be truly unimaginable. That's from your story on Vox.com. And I don't know what you find to be the most interesting details that

uh... people are finding shocking obviously the cold-blooded mafia miss of this but it's also these are not the identifying traits of someone who murdered you in the street uh... that it's whether you want to tell you in stereotype jokes or soprano memes or not louise you man gioni doesn't have the background that would suggest that he would do something like this.

This was, this seems like a person who is moral about who he's murdering. So I ask you, is he crazy? What are the details here worth examining? That's a great question, Dan. And that is something I think, you know, journalists struggle with anytime there's a shooting like this.

And I'll confess, you know, the where I'm at right now is, yes, he's clearly like, you know, he doesn't have the sort of typical profile exactly that you would expect of a shooter. But if I'm honest with myself, I try to remember like, his mindset is always gonna be a bit indecipherable to the rest of us. Like even if we can sort of understand

sort of his frustrations with the healthcare system, you're not having a normal day when you go out and shoot somebody in the middle of New York City. And so I, there is a point where I'm like, I don't know how much I care about his individual mindset. What is interesting to me is this public reaction and what it reveals about the failures of the healthcare system, about our frustrations with it. And yeah, I know we will piece, I'm sure there may be a manifesto, people will obsess over that.

And it'll be interesting to hear the details if there was sort of like a specific situation that sort of sent him down this path. But I do try to step back and yeah, remember like, you're never gonna totally get inside the head of somebody who did this. And so at a certain point, it's futile to even try and it's better to sort of like reflect on on what this is saying about us collectively as a whole. Now, Dylan, one of the things I want to reflect on is that calves hoodie that you have on

the calves are off to a historic start this season. But they had a bad loss the other night in Miami and I know, and Evan Mobley sprained an ankle it looks like. What are your thoughts on where the Cavs are gonna go this season? I mean, I came into the season apprehensive, like last year was it like, you basically just checked the boxes.

We got to the second round, looked okay against Boston considering we were injured, but like that was it. So I was, you know, the win streak to the second round, looked OK against Boston, considering we were injured, but that was it. So I was the win streak to start the season. I was thrilled. It was awesome. I do think Mobley has made a mini leap, at least, on the offensive end. It's not like he's going to be an offensive engine.

But if he's more competent, if he can hit those threes at a decent clip and playmake a little bit, that unlocks a whole new level for the team. And I will say, you guys will appreciate this I think, like I know everybody's praising Kenny Atkinson. I am thrilled with Kenny Atkinson. But I do think like the fact that the defense has held up

is a little bit of a credit to JB Bickerstaff. And has Mobley taken a mini leap or is it a step or has he taken or has he turned the corner? Just a step I think. Is it a hop? Is it a hop? No, there's no hop. It's not a mini leap or is it a step? Or has he turned a corner? It's just a step I think. Is it a hop? Is it a hop? No, there's no hop. It's not a mini leap.

Dylan, you sound ridiculous. Is it a jump? Come on, he's up a couple points per day. Is it a jump, is it a leap, is it a step? He's turned a corner. He has not taken a leap. He has turned a corner? Dylan, this is my point about the Cavs.

When everyone's going crazy about the starter, I said, I think they can be better. And everyone said, how? They're already amazing. I said, because Evan Mobey still hasn't taken that leap to be in the bonafide. He said he's taken a mini leap. A mini leap is just a step. It's just a step.

It's just a step. Turn the page. It's a step in disguise. Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Is a mini leap just a step in disguise? Dylan, thank you for being on with us. We appreciate the time. we appreciate the information. I am just, I want to cede the floor right now for the promotion of Greg Cody's podcast

featuring Greg Cody where he talks among other things about things he has blamed his pet for. He has blamed his pet for an assortment of things and I don't want to spoil it for you but you can get it on the Greg Cody Show featuring Greg Cody. But I want to celebrate for a moment what I believe to be, at an advanced age, the greatest close of Greg Cody's career to a show when he has lacked some stamina at the end of these shows

because back in his day, murder was wrong. Yeah. Back in his day, it wasn't okay. Murder. To just celebrate somebody in the street killing somebody because you're down with the healthcare cause. And Greg Cody was indignant about it and he's not here for your normalization of it. He was yelling at Dylan about the jokes being made at the internet. This guy's done 10 years of healthcare reporting, Greg Cody hasn't

lifted a finger before this righteous indignation was yelling at dylan about the controversial take up murders not okay he goes on this long spill and then at the end he says and i know that's not a question like what it was unbelievable it was it was a it was ice i was watching a great lawyer undefeated in trial cases prowl over a closing argument because he knows he's in the right with the controversial take. Thank you. Murder is wrong. Yeah well that's not what I'm hearing from from America right now I'm hearing justification. Rationalization. A lot of people talking about well on this hand I see this. On one hand's a gun that murdered somebody. On the other hand on one hand is gone that murdered somebody

Fuck up. That's why we have two hands. Oh True that is not why we have two hands the for balance. Why do we have to? Not to have another hand it's not for equilibrium the equilibrium of one-handed people is just fine. They don't need the second hand The fugitive only had one arm. Oh, that was not the fugitive. That was the few that was who the fugitive was framed by It wasn't me. I was the one-armed man. I Can't believe the strength with which Cody got out the controversial opinion of murder is bad That That's right. I don't want that was Hulk Hogan a little bit I'm not even sure I look man. We have normalized this whether you're watching documentaries like the jinx or just there's just been a proliferation of cult and murder documentaries and and

Murder as a business right now is booming. It's a content play, like go look at the Top 100 podcast. It's all sports, comedy, a little bit of self-help, and murder, just murder sprayed all over the place. People can't get enough in and out of their cars of consuming this, and this one captivated everybody, at least in part, because there are murders in cold blood every day on the street.

This one because of the story behind it, because of what Cody's talking about, the rationalizations around, well, health care's bad, so let me shoot this dude in the street. Right. Also, he's beautiful. There's that, too. He is a good looking guy, no doubt.

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