The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: And The Chicken Tastes Like Wood

Episode Date: March 10, 2026

"Tupac is big band music." Dan Marino missed out on a big payday, Luke Kornet is the winner of the Magic City debacle, and the UFC's card for their White House event is surprising, but not as surprising as what now makes up the "oldies" music category. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stucats podcast. I remember many years ago. I obviously didn't know who these people would become, but almost one of the first times I'd ever seen stand-up. I was in Los Angeles, and the performers were Louis Anderson and Jim Carrey. And it was before, obviously, they were what they would end up becoming. Jim Carrey to me is one of the most talented people in the history of Hollywood. And there's a great story involving how it is that Dan Marino came to be on a Sventura Pet Detective,

which is obviously the role that made Jim Carrey a movie star. He was on In Living Color before that, right? And then he goes on, for those of you do not remember, in Living Color at one point, stole the halftime audience from the Super Bowl. and it's when the NFL stopped doing small things as their halftime show because in Living Color legitimately ended up revolutionizing what Fox would become by existing as a television show. Added that in Living Color halftime show to immediately get Michael Jackson.

That's how you do it. That show was must-see every week in Living Color. Incredible show. So funny. Well, I know Jim Carrey's been in the news lately. He's not a clone. I think he just is an aging actor in Hollywood. I don't understand that whole thing. Like, people were, that doesn't, it looks exactly like Jim Carrey.

Now, the eyes didn't look like him if you want to be real. The eyes didn't look like him. I don't think so either. I was talking to a friend yesterday, and he reminded me of a story that is out there on the internet of the first time Dan Marino met Jim Carrey. Are you guys aware of this story? How Damarino got talked into appearing in Ace Ventura Pet Detective. Morgan Creek produced it.

It was a small independent movie, basically, because of all the reasons that we just listed, Jim Carrey not a proven leading man. And Dame Marino at the time, height of his popularity, he wasn't so sure this was something that he wanted to do. So he's like, I'm going to be in L.A. for a couple of days. Sure, I'll meet with Jim. Because the producers are like, you've got to meet this guy.

Dan Marino gets frustrated because he's at this restaurant waiting for Jim Carrey. Jim Carrey is like 20 minutes late and he's about to leave. And Jim Carrey shows up to the meeting as Ace Ventura. Like doing rules. Like, he's just entertaining Dan Marino in character as Ace Ventura. Dan Marino is so impressed that he decides

I'm going to take a little risk here and I'm going to join this little independent movie. But here's the thing. Dan Marino had options. He either got percentage points on what ended up being a huge successful box office smash hit movie that launched Jim Carrey

to being the biggest movie star or he could get a salary. And he's like, I like Jim. I believe in this project. Pay me up front. Do we know how much it was? I'm sure he won't, in retrospect, wishes he had the points. Ace Ventura was not supposed to succeed in any way.

There were a number of people who thought Jim Carrey was making a terrible decision by choosing to lift that as a project. And Courtney Cox was nobody at the time. There was a couple moments in cinematic history in the buildup to a movie being produced that I wish I was a fly on the wall for. That's one of them. The other ones, the famous cabin that John Travolta and Nicholas Cage both rented out together to spend a weekend picking up each other's manorisms as they prepared for face off. I want to take his face off. Yeah. I think it's mannerisms.

This makes me the asshole because everyone knew what you were trying to say and I'm correcting. But you made it manuisms, which made it sound a little closer to manure than manner. So I just, yeah, I'm the jerk for you. Are they not both right? I don't think it's manure... Is it a tomato tomato situation? I've never heard it. Manorisms? It's not maniorisms?

I've never heard manorisms. All right. I'm sorry. I apologize. I got that wrong. You see how refreshing that is, Tony? I'm really glad we got bogged down in it, though, Dan. I just admit that you're wrong about something. But the what? The Wizards? Speaking...

I don't like the way Zaz is looking at me, by the way. Speaking of changing course, it's funnier if we never mention it, the Atlanta Hawks and the NBA have had to cancel Magic City Night. They tried to disguise it as a night about chicken wings and lemon pepper chicken wings and iconic establishment culture in Atlanta, but instead they just run away from the whole thing.

I don't suppose that I can blame them and in the statement that Adam Silver made about it, he did go out of his way to mention sponsors. He said fans as well. well, but I'm guessing they got enough blowback from people who pay money to make it not worth it. These promotions aren't that big a deal, and this has gotten too much attention. And because I'm guessing other sponsors are not happy with the idea of a strip club being tied to the NBA, it's easier to move away from it than it is to continue down this path.

And Luke Cornett should feel pretty good about using his voice to get his beliefs to change something. Oh, but Dan, the next time the Spurs play at the Hawks, they're going to boo him out the building. I mean, like, public enemy, number one, Luke Cornet. But the benefit for him is that when fans cheer for him, it sounds the same way because they just go, Luke. So he's just going to be encouraged by it. The thing that Luke Cornett should feel good about is he had a. an opinion. He voiced it. It wasn't, I would say, a popular opinion, but he made the, he was the

change that he saw it. Luke Cornett ended up getting that night canceled. That's what happened there. But it's not any kind of leadership from Adam Silver in the NBA. Like, you would have figured when this came across your desk that the league, that one of your teams was doing this, you would have thought to stop for a moment and be like, probably not a good idea. And you got the predicted results. which was people didn't like it. And like you said, probably sponsors didn't like it. And that Adam Stowe's like, oh, I guess this wasn't a good deal. And they end up canceling it.

And now it ends up being like this huge thing because, oh, what do you cancel it for? We love it. It's part of our culture. And it's again, it's just Adam Silver not showing any kind of leadership. It's a reaction to the reaction. It's not action. It's not proactive. But Luke Cornett got this change.

That's what happened. he gave his opinion on this it was an opinion that money could get behind i believe that america is super repressed in a lot of places i believe that uh porn is wildly popular at least in part because these repressions keep these things in hiding obviously the adult entertainment industry is something that is always flourishing and it flourishes more and better in very few places than it does at Magic City, which I will say again is more of an Atlanta iconic institution than the Atlanta Hawks. They tried to make the night about chicken wings, though. What are you making faces?

What are you doing there? Come on, the human highlight real Dominie Wilkins were like a word. I mean, that's 40 years ago. 40 years ago The human highlight film was back when highlight film was a thing I mean in spite of web

What are we doing? Kyle Concakech Kyle Corver would like a word I so Joe Tabocephalosha John Concage Jeff Teague I think

Tony just made him Kyle Concaque I didn't say at all I didn't say anything I said John Concake I thought John Concax Kyle Corver got fused to make it

Kyle Concake I'll get because that wasn't me. Boy, that'd be a shitty player. What? It'd be down in the post, it would be giant, and then he would also have range from three. I wanted to talk about a little bit what's going on in UFC. I've told you that that sport is about as vulnerable to fixing and corruption as anything in sports,

college basketball included, because the pay is so bad. and all you have to do is get one fighter. And something happened during the UFC card that Tony was broadcasting on Saturday that looked awfully suspicious. But before we get to that, I just wanted to ask you guys if you had any opinions about this White House UFC fight. Dana White is putting on the lawn of the White House, UFC Freedom 250. What kind of crowd does, like, can you pull?

They'll be 100,000 person stadium built. A lot of it is for military families and veterans and stuff like that. It's not going to be a huge event. They're not going to make a ton of money. They're going to lose a lot of money on it from the production standpoint and what they're going to put on the lawn. So there's not like a huge ticket. Like we can't buy tickets to it. The seating will be somewhere between 3,000 and 100,000 seats, depending on who you're listening to.

John Jones doesn't appear to be partaking. Connor McGregor doesn't appear to be partaking. The card isn't as good as the Miami. It's an okay card. Some people, you think it's as good as Miami? I saw Halwani rated it very high of a card. Yeah, I think anytime you have Iliu, it's a pour on a card, it's going to go over. I think there's a lot of good stuff there.

Alex Pereira is looking to be the first time three-division champion in the UFC started at middleweight at 185, then won the 205 belt, and is now going up to heavyweight trying to fight Cyril Al-Gonto. You can't have this. It's not going to be a bad card. You can't do this kind of event. What they're trying to do, those of you who do not like politics with your sports, I suspect, aren't objecting to this being on the White House lawn, even though it's a bit of a desecration of everything that is at the center of Washington. But John Jones specifically is saying, hey, cut me.

If you're not going to pay me, if you're low-balling me, just let me go because all of a sudden it would be, John Jones is 38. John Jones has not fought in two years since he beats Steepay in the heavyweight division. John Jones is the best fighter in the history of the sport, in my opinion. You can quibble with it. If you think it's Anderson Silver or someone else, you can quibble. But I love John Jones as a fighter. The fact that he has dominated that sport while appearing to have a drug problem makes his domination all the more. Don't count them out.

He's had other problems, too. Impressive. but him being low-balled on this fight and not being on this card, I mean, it would have been the easiest thing in the world to put him on this card. You would think, Dan, and again, I'm not going to stand up here for UFC brass and make excuses, but John is also not the easiest to deal with when it comes to getting a contract, agreeing to a fight at a certain weight, a certain time, and with money. So they've been trying to set up after he won the heavyweight title and then basically retired,

They wanted to set up Tom Aspinall versus John Jones. That would have been the biggest fight on the planet. It would have been incredible. John really tested for the first time with an elite heavyweight. That didn't happen. Why? The contract. No, it's not enough money.

No, it was the money, but I don't want to do it anymore. So there's been this back and forth with John Jones. I don't think John Jones wanted to fight at this age, Aspinon. He didn't want to fight Tom Aspinall prior to the iPokes because now he's had multiple surgeries and we don't know if Tom Aspinon's ever going to be Tom Aspinall. Again, that's a side point. But when you don't even know if he's going to fight again, do we? Correct.

We don't know if he's going to fight again. We hope he will, but he may be completely done. He signed with a new management team. There's a lot of stuff there. So with the White House card, they've already had this two years back and forth with John negotiating, just trying to get on a regular UFC card. Now, John wants to be on the White House card. Cool.

Now what are we going to do? We tried to give you $40 million to fight Tom Aspinall. We're not going to give you that now, right? You want to be on this card. Do we have any idea what the number is? We do not, but he got lowballed, he said. And of course, it's a he said-he-said situation. But when you look at it's like, you don't have the,

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Oh, I didn't realize we had a substitute complicated legacy. Brought to by headquarters Toyota, huh? 441, Powerline Road. Second out of nine. This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. What did you guys make? I didn't care to look.

Of the fixing allegations from this weekend. It was the same fighter who, previously had been pulled off a card for suspicious gambling activity. Yeah, so Michael Johnson is the guy in question. He had his fight pulled earlier this year from a bout with Anthony Hernandez, I want to say it was. So he fought Drew Dober this weekend. Should we be careful here on the front end? 100%.

This is a legend. All this is alleged. It came from a gambling account. However, the way that it played out seems to give the initial tweet some credence. go ahead, tell him. So I was on my way over to Dead Flamingle on Saturday getting ready for the fights, and I see this tweet pop up on my timeline. Michael Johnson has been paid to lose by round two TKO today.

The gang called Gangsters Disciples coming out of St. Louis, Missouri, are holding his nephew hostage. So I see that tweet, and I'm like, huh, okay, could be BS, could be something. Like, I don't know. I don't know who this guy is. I don't know this account. I've later been informed that it was a big whale gambler. who's accounted it is.

And for context, Johnson was on a fight that months prior was pulled because of suspicious line activity. Right. So as the night is progressing, there's a lot of people, Ariel Hwani, Connor Berg's guys that are plugged into the sport are like, hey, there's a lot of line shifting on the Michael Johnson drew Dober fight. Something is happening. Draft Kings pulled it.

A bunch of other books pulled it. And it was like, we're not going to pull the fight, but something is happening here. And then wouldn't you know it? As they said, in the second round, T-Colver. KO, like, again, it's easy to say he had his hand down, but he got hit with a counter punch that knocked

his lights out, and he was over, and then this came out afterwards and I'll read it for you verbatim. Wifebeater White said I was lying, and all I know is Malcolm is back home alive and well, and he can focus on becoming a D1 basketball player. I don't know if this is true. I don't know if this is a great fantastical

story that was able to have the thread point of the actual knockout being in the second round like it was called. I think Pablo needs to do some investigating on it because I think there's an interesting story there, if that is true. The NCAA is going to be using tech to monitor tournament officials for betting because all of this stuff has to be looked at more carefully because you have the integrity of sports at risk and, more importantly, to sports, you have money at risk with these things. And again, allegedly, if you have your nephew being taken by a gang in the city that you're living in, you'd figure you'd throw the fight, right? Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. But you would kind of think twice and be like, all right, let me find an out here, no?

Josh Childress would like a word. I think that we find ourselves in some territory here that is really difficult to navigate. But UFC has a specific problem on its hands because, of all the major sports that we have, it's the one that climbed right out of the gutter, and it's the one that has the... Oh, yeah, we love that line. The best or the most terrible history

that you could possibly have with paying people. Like, you have, throughout sports, you have a bunch of stuff that's collectively bargained, so if players are underpaid, they have themselves to blame because they're negotiating something. But in UFC, you prepare, have the fighters complaining about how much they're paid and you have a lot of professionals

who have had a lot of professional fights having second jobs or you have the stories of some of them living out of their cars because they don't get enough money this is super susceptible to all of this stuff it's human cockfighting tamari carroll would like a word were you guys uh excited that the panthers were able to uh or decided to keep Bobrovsky? Because he's been bad this year and he's a two-time defending champion goaltender and he say what you will about whoever you think is the Panthers best or most important player, but they've won the last two seasons because they have a hot goaltender who was bad this season. Were you surprised that they didn't trade him?

No. I'm not surprised they didn't trade him. I think there is a sense of loyalty to this player, and I think that they also believe that this season has a better chance of being a blip on the radar than him completely falling off a cliff as long as they're healthy next year and get Sasha Barkov back. I think they're probably right, or at the very least, I'm willing to see if they're right, but I'm also very emotional when it comes to stuff like this. Like, I'm bad at trading away players who I love, and I would much rather see Sergey Barbarowski never play for another team again. As a Panther fan, I kind of needed to pick me up.

The gold medal was nice and all that, but then you come right back and you have devastating losses to your playoff chances. And it's getting to that point in the calendar where the schedule is congested and their big games every night and you're starting to feel sad that you're going to miss out on the playoffs. Playoff hockey is incredible. And right around the trade deadline, Panthers were playing some of their worst hockey and just vibes were down. And what I appreciated was almost a defiant message from Bill. Zito at the deadline saying like, no, we're only not in this conversation because of the injuries, because everyone around the league was pumping their fists when they saw Barcov go down in a heap. It was essentially like the same thing when you add a player to the room and it's like,

hey, this means that we're really good. We believe in you. I feel like by not trading away Bobrovsky, Mike, that was Zito also saying we believe in you. Bobby. I love the message. And that, yeah, champs. You're two-time champs.

You get to puff your chest out a little bit. You got lucky. You got one over. We're going to be back. And you're going to hate when we come back. Josh Smith would like a word. And just the way that they talk about him, those guys in that dressing room, I think they would have been really upset if Bobrovsky was not the goalie next year.

Yeah, I think it's also, it gets a tough contract to move. I'm not sure how much interest there was. This could also be a convenient defiant. a little bit, rally around the guy, but it's not like Spencer Knight is in the system. But they may extend him. Yeah, there is no logical person to kind of take the reins from Sergei Bavrovsky, and you want to be able to have that kind of buttoned up before you make a move like that, because he is a legend.

72 is going to be hung up in the rafters, no doubt. Marvin Williams would like a word. Where are you guys with the idea that his age, would suggest that this season is a harbinger of things to come, especially given that the three years that he just had were a surprise to me because I haven't forgotten the way you guys were crushing Bobrovsky and that contract before the last three years when he was as important a piece as a championship contender has ever had down here in any sport.

because of his value, where are you on his age and the season that he just had? It can be the end because this year's Bobrovsky reminded me of the guy you guys were complaining about for several years before the last three years. Yeah, and it was warranted, by the way. It's not like, oh, we got you. Like the Panthers themselves didn't believe in Bobrovsky. Alex Lyon got them into the playoffs. Alex Lyon was goalie number one. And then Spencer Knight, too.

Yeah, yeah. Like they kept trying out other goalies because this was. believed to be a bad contract, but Bob is only 37 years old. And at that position, you can play well into your 40s. I think it is completely reasonable that this is the start of the drop-off and that he's not going to bounce back. But based on his history and what he's done for the franchise and based on everybody playing in front of him and how good we know the team in front of him is when they are healthy, I'm willing to find out for sure next year. Mike's point earlier about having somebody in the pipeline to possibly replace Sergey

Vibrosky. The Panthers have a protected top 10 pick this year. So if they win the lottery or wherever place they end up in the lottery, they can draft possibly a goaltender in the place. Jeremy, would you do me the favor, please, of looking at pro football focus for what it is that I'm about to ask because in the NFL, when I do some of the analysis with my eyes, I think most people listening to this would just simply concede that Miles Garrett and Micah Parsons are the two best pass rushers that exist in that league. But if I was doing this with just my eyes and not looking at any of the metrics, I would say Max Crosby would be third for me on most unblockable edge rushing thing that there is in the league. Edge, I was going to say Chris Jones up the middle is pretty unstoppable also. Yes, that's a different skill set, and I'm always amazed when anybody can get pressure up the middle like Aaron Donald.

But when I'm doing all of this with my eyes, okay? I would make the argument that Miles Garrett is as unblockable as anything that's ever existed in that league. And I think of Micah Parsons as second on that list. The Raiders are smart in getting rid of him at 28 years old because of how much they were able to get back for him and because they have so many holes to fill and they're not likely to fill them all before he's done playing there. So they are selling high on Max Crosby. But are you guys with me? We've talked before.

We've made the poll before. Should Max have three Xs in his name because his pass rushing is pornographic? Are you guys in agreement with me? that he is the third best pass rusher in the league? Last year was kind of a complicated year. That's a franchise in transition, and his numbers don't actually stack up there. Hutchinson is viewed as better than him.

I mean, it's a real off year for Crosby, but I'm with you. I believe in the player. I mean, who scares you on that defense? It's Max Crosby. And Max Crosby is an incredible player. And that's a big time year for Baltimore, because that's pushing your chips into the table with a quarterback that relies heavily on his physical traits.

It's already shown signs of decline. So I love Max Crosby. I'm glad that he's going to be playing an important games in that division. It should be fun. There are going to be games where you're just glued to the TV and you watch Miles Garrett take his turn and then Max Crosby the next. But I don't know about the franchise direction over there. Sucks if you're Joe Burrough, right?

I mean, every year, like your offensive line stinks. They sack you a lot. And it's like here we're also going to throw in Max Crosby. who should have three Xs in his name instead of two. I think the two live at the top and there's like a third tier of a lot of those guys, the Hutchinson's, the Max Crosby's. Let's not forget Watt, who's also in that division.

J.J. Watt, the DeNeil Hunter's, Trey Hendrickson, who hasn't really had an ability to go out and do stuff because of the contract situation and he got hurt. It's like there's a good hodgepodge of guys in that mix that are in that Max Crosby tier. Where are my gloves? Come on, heat

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at westjet.com slash 30 years. Don Lebatard. What is the worst part of the life? Stugats. The worst part of the life of what? This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. Speaking of X ratings, I saw the other day and I was not aware of this, that Scarface came very, very close to being X-rated. They were going to make Scarface X-rated and not until an assortment of people went before the ratings board and said, hey, this chainsaw scene doesn't actually have the chainsaw.

touching flesh at any point. That's the way that they got Scarface to be off of an X rating because it wasn't something that was seen. It was imagined more than seen. Do you believe Zaz? I know you're of a certain age, but Scarface, because it's something from Miami, because for many people, it begins Al Pacino's ascent, even though it started long before then, do you believe? that younger audiences still have an appreciation for a movie that is now, I'm guessing, more than, is it more than 40 years old? It's probably right at 40 years, maybe a little more. Maybe a little more. Do you think that there are a couple of generations that don't have any appreciation whatsoever for Scarface?

And it's lost on today's 20-year-old because it's too old of a movie. I was actually having this conversation with Dominique Foxworth the other day. I'm because I'm like 90s can't be 90s music can't already be considered oldies can it? And he's like yes absolutely And so I'm like so you're telling me that now

Jay Z is an oldie? Like hip hop is 50 years old You're telling me that And I know that Jay Z and Snoop Dogg are in their 50s And that hip hop is 50 But you're telling me that Jay Z's music Classifies as oldies now. celebrating two album releases this year, the 25th anniversary of one and the 30th anniversary of another.

Yeah, when I was a little kid, I was always wondering, how does this genre age? Because it's always at the cutting edge of hipness, right? Are we really going to see 60-plus-year-old rappers touring? What does that look like? And the answer is yes. And it looks pretty awesome. They get live bands behind them, and the energy is good, and they focus more on performance. And it's actually much better than a lot of the contemporary rap concerts. My older son is way into rap music, today's rap music. And, you know, the rap that I was listening to in the 90s, Tupac, Biggie, Wu-Tang, like, it does not register.

I would have thought you listen to rap that way like this. It does not register to him. And I feel like movies like Scarface are the same thing. When that generation around that age, when they see, you know, the film looks a little bit grainy. They're not sitting in watching that movie. Hans, Zad, so you're telling me your kid listens to Cream, and the first couple melodies, he does, nothing? It's too slow for him. Too slow?

Yeah. I've wondered what it is that Mike is talking about there because you've heard me say a ton of times that comedians in comedy doesn't tend to age well. Hip-hop aging. There are not a lot of rappers. Two Chains was able to do it late in his career, but generally speaking, the 50-year-old rapper does look ridiculous. I don't know. Can I take it behind the curtain? When the Miami Heat were going on

and I had all these like heat characters, there was one character that I was working really, really hard on. That was a Miami Heat expert, but would only deliver the lines as a early 90s hip hop artist. And it was just, I had to freestyle a lot and it was going to be that delivery and I could never get it off the ground. If you listen to hip hop back then,

everybody had the same cadence. Yeah, it's 80s. Like rappers delight is why you're at the Hill Gang. And the chicken tastes like wood. Yeah. Dump it. out of a damn. And I just, I'm like, is this racist?

It might be, Amin would call me racist if I did this. It didn't seem like you had confidence when you delivered that. You did it with shoulders. Well, because I have to move. Like the body, it goes with a, you know, that's why I decided that one's on the shelf. That's a character that never happened. No, vanilla ice. That's your reference.

You can go off of that. Oh, I appreciate it. You're more of an ally to me than Amin is. Zaza Pechulia would like a word. I should have said Yokic is also miserable. man, what I'm giving me the one white. Jay-Z is going to end up touring and is going to try and advance the entertainment of it.

Do you think? Because I don't know. He's got these anniversaries, and there's all sorts of internet sleuthing on some dates, potentially in Brooklyn that line up with these anniversaries, and he just re-released dead presidents, and it sounds good. Yeah, it was remastered and all that.

But that's the only evidence that we have. And, you know, the timing may not be super right for Jay-Z right now. It runs risks, right? It runs. It can look cartoonishly ridiculous to have somebody in their 50s preening as cutting-edge hip-hop. I just, I've got to think there are some people listening to this right now who would be saying, just reflexively the way that I would, J-Z can't be oldies? Oldies is like Sinatra.

I understand he's in his 50s, but you can't tell me that the music of Jay-Z is classified as oldies. Yes, it is. It is. Yeah, we sound washed. How can it not be? Yeah, I mean, you guys are old. So your oldies is different than the old-down.

You hear Jay-Z, and it's like you might as well be talking about the Beatles. But I think oldies as cruners. Like, I think oldies as, yeah, the- Big Bang. The Beatles? Well, but I mean... Because, like, right now, this generation is further removed from Jay-Z than I was from the Beatles when I was growing up, which is crazy to say.

Yeah, I'm that freaking old man. Yeah. 40. I got a ton of bricks. I'm a bad shoulder guy. My shoulder got better, by the way. Really? What'd you do?

Nothing. I slept on the side and I was like, cooked again. Like, for me, born in the USA by Bruce Springsteen when I was 10 years old, is basically, what like how to save a life by the fray is to a 10 year old now okay that's the age all right but let's so where what's the line on this though so early 2000s like where how far do I go back before it becomes oldies like how where where is the line on both pop culture and give me a date on what it is in hip hop it's it's even more extreme than that because like fetiwap is considered oldies now so Tupac is oldies now.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Tupac is like big band. Yeah, like no, most of the people listen. Yeah, it is. I'm sorry. Uh-huh. Picture me rolling in my 500 bends. Might as well be like,

bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Oh, that's a banger. Did you just did whatever? I don't know what it is. You just did a marching band while also, though, doing an accordion of some sort. The big crashing. But you were playing the symbols like an accordion. and you were doing marching band.

You know, I didn't take band in high school. Mookie Blaylock would like a word. Answer my question. That was the original name for Pearl Jam, wasn't it? Yes. Did you know that, Jeremy? That the original name, put it on the poll at Lebitard show. Did you know that the original name for Pearl Jam,

band name was Mukie Blaylock? I did not know that. I did know that Detleft Shremf was the name of a band of horses song. So now Pearl Jam is oldies as well. Yeah, I mean, they're on, They're on 106 FM here in South Florida. Like that's that's classic rock. What is the date?

Can you guys help me with the date? Is it 2005? Like two thousand and five? Yeah, I think 20 years. I think once you cross the 20 year, you think 30 is oldies. So what is what is 20 years? Like I don't think anything in this century, in the 2000s is oldies. I got to go 30 years.

Really? Yeah. Man, early 2000s hip hop. Those are throwback jams. You guys are basically making Britney Spears oldies. You're making in sync oldies. Yep. That's right.

If they played in sync at a bar mitzvah right now, that would be for the parents, not for the kids. Backstreet boys, oldies. Yes. So give me, where's the line? What's the name I can give you that's right on the line where you guys are, well, I'm just going to pick a year and say it with conviction. No, I'm trying. If it happened before the Marlins won their last world series, it's an oldie. It's not, it's not about conviction here.

It's, I want the spot that would be. the tipping point on our argument where it is that you guys would put a name and you would say that's a bridge too far. I'm not willing to call that oldies. Is American Idiot the album by Green Day Oldies? 2004 album. Yeah, it's an oldie. That's a, that's a, that's a, that's on classic rock stations. Yeah. No, that's why it's, I'm trying to figure out the line. That is what we're doing as an exercise and I'm trying to think of something that would create an argument between us, where it is that all of you would object to, you're saying, no, I'm not going to, I'm not willing to go.

Because you're doing it differently than they're doing it. They're saying at the 20-year mark, that 2005. Yeah, but you're old. We don't get to decide what's an oldie. It's my point. The original point in hip-hop is like the core audience is so much younger that their relationship with older music is totally skewed. You remember being a kid watching.

those videos on MTV, they weren't alive and wouldn't be alive for another 15 years. So it might as well be prehistoric to them. Don't you by the pussycat dolls? Oldies? No, a couple years up. 2005. Put it on the poll, please, Juju, at Lebitard Show. Is any song sung before 2005 now an oldie?

What are you guys doing with 2005? I guess you're doing with 2006. I feel like 03. I feel like 03 is my number. I'm sticking with 03. So it's 23 years for you. 23 years for you is where for the Marlin, for some reason, the Marlin championship is the landmark for you. Jesus walks.

I don't think Jesus walks is right fringe. That was 04, I think. Yeah, no, not quite old enough. I'm doing the 97.3, the coast kind of math. Narlie, Charlie. 80s and today. So we're looking at 2000s being the todays. So now we're like the 20s, 20s, 2000s, 2010s and 2020s.

I wonder what he's up to. Norley, Charlie. Gold Digger is an oldie. No. No. Maybe. It might be. Kanye and Jamie Fox? No, we're getting right to the point.

No, we're getting right to the point where Kanye had the guest feature and that's oldie. It's 2005. We're getting to it. It's 03. And I feel pretty good about it. Put it on the poll, Juju as well. Juju got it. It is not Gotti anymore.

Is Gold Digger by Kanye and Jamie Fox and Oldie? That's what I was looking for, Tony. That face where you're like, what's the line? What's the tipping point? Thank you.