The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: As A Former Journalist

Episode Date: May 14, 2024

Greg Cote believes the U-Turn is a selfish act, but once he gets done explaining why, Dan sets him up for failure by revealing a pre-show campaign to #FreeGreggDoyel. Greg does his best to explain why he's on THIS particular mission on Day 1 of the WNBA season... Then, has there been a plotting of retirement? Is Dan apologizing to Roger Goodell? And should NBA coaches get back to wearing suits? Plus, as Dan brings things back to the Doyel conversation, Greg Cote gets incensed over the way Dan has characterized his position. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. This is the Don Leventor Show with the Stugats Podcast. Roy, what did the audience say? I'm assuming I'm in the minority and being someone who will not finish a movie once I've gotten 70 minutes in. After 4,180 votes, the answer is yes at 70.1%. What is the question? The question is if you get halfway through a movie, do you feel obligated to finish it?

And the answer is yes at 1%. Yes at 70.1%. I thought the yes was I leave a movie, so it's the opposite of that. Good follow up, Dan. A very odd way for Roy to do all of that. I would say to just give us the yes and not the question So like Jeopardy. Yes Jeopardy or Yoda What is yes I'd like to put up on the screen here real quick for people so that we can devour it a recent

up on the screen here real quick for people so that we can devour it. A recent photograph of Pablo Torre. I wanna ask the group here what they think of what Pablo is trying to achieve here with bowling shoes and what can only be described as Mr. Rogers fashion gear. Is he preparing for a role? I don't know what he is doing there.

Is he bowling? Is he on Broadway? What the hell's going on here? It does feel, it feels a little Broadway, it feels a little bowling. The hand on the hip, it feels theatrical. Little people's eyebrow. I'm not gonna have a go at someone else's style.

I just couldn't do that. Pablo Torre Finds Out is the name of the podcast. He is doing excellent work. I ask the group here, and I ask the audience, to take some inventory about what Greg Cote came in complaining about today that I was not expecting. It's something that caught me off guard, even though Greg Cote, I would say,

is a Hall of Fame complainer. Greg Cote came out publicly in indignance against the U-turn. Yeah. You know, I think it's because the U-turn caused me to miss a light a couple of days ago when the line was very long and it like three I'm like 12 cars behind you know so I'm already praying for a long-turn signal to make my light and there's four or five cars ahead of me all taking the u-turn which is very slow when you're taking a u-turn people slow down too much they don't take it on two wheels they slow down slows down. They don't take it on two wheels, they slow down.

Slows down traffic. I miss my light because so many people are taking a U-turn. A U-turn is selfish. Look, I understand- I used to live somewhere where I had to make a U-turn to get to my house. I understand that. I remember. But here's what else you could have done.

Move. Here's what else- That means your dad had to as well, right? Oh, he did. No, here's what else you could have done. Instead of taking that U-turn, you could have taken a left into that development and then turned around in there and taken a right. Wait, what? You didn't have to take a U-turn.

You're wrong right now. I don't know what you're talking about. No, no, no. Can we just stay on point, please? Let's not get caught in the weeds on what's happening around your son's house. You take the long way is what you're saying. You didn't have to take a U-turn.

It's a shortcut. Yeah, yeah. Put in a shortcut. Put in the effort. Quit taking shortcuts. You know, people take U-turns willy-nilly. You know, it's a bad thing to do. It's dangerous. 40% of pedestrian deaths in America are directly attributable to U-turns. You're just making that up. You're sort just laughing at that just estimating but yeah I'm not making it up do you know what making it up means time to throw away the journalistic credibility and get reckless don't you read something we like to call reckless speculation you're good Greg thank you mm-hmm I mean look it up so what do you, how do you make?

So you just want a three point turn in its place or no turns whatsoever? You exit. No, take the long way. His thing is you don't make a U-turn. You're not allowed to do that. Just take the long way. Even if all you have is U-turns.

They often encourage U-turns. Sometimes this sign says, hey, you want it banned. Take a U-turn. Greg, you want it banned. I would ban U-turns. Sometimes this sign says, hey, take a U-turn. Greg, you want it banned. I would ban U-turns. Because a U-turn is never necessary. It's a convenience. It's a shortcut.

But it's rarely, if ever, absolutely necessary. Practice what you preach. Because normally, I don't take U-turns. You don't take U-turns. Come on, Greg. Oh, shut up. You don't take them. You don't take them.

You're an abstainer. I will tell you what Greg does, because every once in a while, when I'm driving down on a Tuesday, I see Greg Cody in that beautiful Corvette that he has, and what Greg loves to do, he shoots the gap better than anyone I've ever seen. But what he really loves to do is tailgate.

He loves to tailgate. He is right on people's bumpers. He's drafting. I watched him today do it. He doesn't want people, bumpers. He's drafting. I watched him today do it. He doesn't want people, he doesn't want anyone getting in front of him. Never. He's the guy that will get up on the person in front to not let somebody in. Cheaters never prosper! Exactly. If you go out of your way to get in front of Greg Cody, meaning you do something dangerous, there's an expectation that comes with that. Don't get in his lane

and then drive slow Right drive fast because Greg wants to drive fast Yeah I tooted my horn on the way to the studio today because the person of head ahead of me was not tailgating Sufficiently right so people were cutting in front of him and everybody's trying to cut in here You don't let them you know it's not being mean not to do that It keeps the traffic flow going. If everyone tailgated like me, the traffic flow would go much better. If nobody U-turned,

the traffic flow would go much better. You spend an hour and a half driving 20 miles in South Florida. It's ridiculous. So you got to keep the flow going. I'm trying to do my part. Others aren't. That's all I'm saying. Fair. I'm trying to do my part, others aren't. That's all I'm saying. Fair. Put it on the poll, have you ever considered banning the U-turn?

Billy, you seemed worried when this segment first began. You had the look of concern on your face, and then you started roaring with laughter afterward, because I think you thought Greg Cody was headed somewhere else. Well, you know, I was worried where that may be going. Anytime he opens his trap, I'm worried. Yeah, you never know.

Where that's going. And you were kind of setting him up and I was worried where you may be setting, because you know, sometimes you're the guy that likes to put the leaves over the hole and hope that Greg steps in the hole. Yeah, isn't that the truth? It's a very vivid picture that is also accurate.

Leaving a manhole uncovered, hoping it'll all fall down it. Well, in- Drug up by woodpeckers. Thank you. In the spirit of all of that, I would say that the look on your face, I'm doing Billy translations here, suggested to me that you were concerned with the general take that

Greg Cody walked into the room today with as the WNBA season starts. I don't recall the take. The take was free Greg Doyle. The rare. The rare free Greg Doyle. There's the hole. Wow. There is the hole with the leaves. That is correct.

I still have to get to this Bunker story. I've got to read the story. I've seen a couple of tweets. What is going on with their special teams unit over there in Kansas City? I have to read this story. I need to get to this story. Was this during a commencement speech?

Yeah. All right, so. Oh, awful. I mean, it's. Was this during a commencement speech? Yeah. All right, so. Oh, awful. I mean, it's not that. You know you're right, let's stay there. It is awful. It's like Andrew Tate did a commencement speech. There was a commencement speech last week

that we played on Friday that it was a guy trying to sell Bitcoin. Oh, Ohio State. Yeah. Yeah, I bought in. By the way, GameStop's back. Halted. Video, do me the favor of getting, we didn't get to this story a couple of weeks ago

But Greg Doyle who I think is the biggest newspaper columnist in Indianapolis. He handled the Press conference of Caitlin Clark being introduced to the fever and her debut is tonight pretty terribly in a way that made a whole lot of people recoil and there's going to be some stumbling around here from men as we try to figure out how to catch up with the times and all of us correct behaviors and inequities from a long time ago that aren't acceptable anymore, even though Butger is at a commencement speech saying evidently that women should stay

in the kitchen. But Greg Doyle handled a press conference with Caitlin Clark in a way that made a lot of people cringe, a lot of people uncomfortable, and he was punished by his newspaper. He was suspended. He wrote a column that made it worse saying he was sorry. He was suspended from his newspaper and evidently, and I don't know if this is indefinite, if this is forever, but he's not allowed to cover Indiana Fever Games, which is a hell of a penalty to start Caitlin Clark's career if you are the local columnist and she's gonna be the biggest star in your market and a phenomenon and holy hell what a mistake when that's the punishment. Greg Cody is not saying free

Greg Doyle in general but he wants something between those penalties not both of those penalties. He wants that to be softer and i thought that there would be better days to do that than a day when there are no women here but i suppose there leaves over the whole go-ahead great uh... okay uh... first of all i'm i'm barely a casual acquaintance of greg doyles so i'm not this isn't me sticking up for a buddy he worked at our newspaper a long time though he started his career at the miami harold right

uh... as many did now that i think about it he what he did was cringe-worthy it was sexist it was creepy it was juvenile he deserved to be suspended for a couple of weeks he deserved that uh... but i don't believe what he did was a journalistic felony i believe it was a dumb misdemeanor but it's a felonious penalty when you tell the lead columnist in a city welcoming its new big star that he can't write

about her indefinitely. I wouldn't stand for that. If the Miami Herald tried to tell me that and the role was reversed, I would use whatever leverage I have to say that's not standing with me. You need to threaten to quit You need to make a mess of this if you need to you think that's a good idea. Are you crazy? No You would threaten to quit the newspaper Yes, they can't tell me what I can cover and what I can't cover because I misspoke at an introductory Greg that was not your judge that was not you or. That was not miss, Greg, that was not miss. It was poor judgment. That was not miss. It was poor judgment. That was not miss speaking.

Let's listen, this is not. Can't they as the employer too? This is not miss speaking, Greg. Hi. Kaitlyn, Greg Doyle, Indy Star. Real quick, let me do this. Doing the heart signal. You like that?

The heart signal. I like that you're here. I like that you're here here I do that at my family after every game so okay well we'll start doing it to me and we'll be able to get along just fine so question is terrible I'm not defending any of that don't don't put me in the category of defending that I'm not what I'm saying is it didn't merit telling him you can't write about Caitlin Clark ever again and I'm just saying that wouldn't fly with me. In your mind what should the penalty be? You're saying it should be something just not a full season. Okay he's been suspended a couple of weeks without pay

I understand I think that's perfectly fair. He's written the Mia Culpa column which to me seemed reasonably sincere. I think there's contrition there. I think if it were me, I would make sure that I had a private meeting with Caitlin and apologize to her directly. And from that point— And the shame. The shame is also punishment. The shame is punishment indeed. And from that point on, unless Caitlin Clark is so upset that she backs what's happening, if she's in a forgiving mood, I think the rest of us should be and there should be a clean slate in Indianapolis.

Woof, woof! And you would threaten to quit? Yeah. Threaten, and would you quit? I think I would. Keep in mind, I'm at a point in my career when I'm already plotting retirement anyway, so me quitting This is the new and unimproved Dan Leventhal Show with the Stugats. Gumbel on by DraftKings. Howdy folks, it's Mike Ryan and as you know, you're probably a sports fan, you know it's playoff time.

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been reluctant about admitting it for a long time. I do not hear that word come out of his mouth. He is probably the most long-standing member of the Miami Herald, not just the sports department, just no one's had more years presently working at the Miami Herald, I don't think, than you have. Currently, I think you may be right. Are there people at other papers that have been there? I feel like you could be in the top five, like, of all papers in the United States.

I know, well, he's top 5%. Top, I don't know, sports writers. I don't know. Well, I just think that- Is Bornheiser still writing? No, he is not. Okay. I think that, well, maybe you are you've been how many how many years? I never know how to answer that because I worked like seven years part-time as I 16 you were hired. No, yeah Well, you should count just since when you should count the part-time. Yeah, just say I've been with the Herald since

Well, my first violent was 1972. Yeah, I I was full-time in 1978 or 9. I can't recall. I don't know why you're making a distinction between part-time and full-time. They paid you beginning in 72. That means that you have been there for 28 years plus 24, so that is 52 years. Jesus. Man. You got 22 to go if you want to catch Sid Hartman.

Okay. He's still writing in Minneapolis? There's no way he's still writing. Well no, he just has the record. He may not be with us anymore. I was going to ask, but I was afraid of the $50 fine. I said May. I said May. I want you, Hartman. You're saying Hartman was with his paper longer than anyone's been with their paper in the history of papers? Yes, that's what a quick Google search told me, but I could be wrong.

He died in 2020. I think Edwin Pope was with Harold longer than I have. Edwin Pope, I thought of him just last night, the former sports editor of the Miami Herald, because he had a great move. And the reason I thought about it is LeBron getting those seats last minute notice. Those seats know, those seats are hard to come by and he gets the best seats and of course he would get the best seats, but Edwin Pope would show up at a hotel and if it was sold out he would get mad and he says, you mean to tell me that if the President of the United States shows up here you guys don't have a room for him?

And then the answer would be no no, of course, sir. Well, then give me his, he's not coming. Would be the move that an old Edwin Pope would fire at the front desk. Perfect. You're saying it's hard to get those seats. It's not hard if you're LeBron James. If LeBron just walks up to the Mecca tonight, right?

Sit where everyone's. He'll sit court side, he'll sit center court. I understand, Stu Gotts. I'm just saying that those tickets are hard to come Mecca tonight, right? Sit wherever he wants. He'll sit courtside, he'll sit center court. I understand, Stu Gotts. I'm just saying that those tickets are hard to come by last minute, and I would be interested in what scurrying takes place back behind the scenes when people who aren't quite as famous as LeBron,

but also Bruce Springsteen, want seats at the last minute, and what do you do? Like where is the line on where you don't have seats because other people want seats? I don't know the answer to that question. I'd be interested in finding out how people get turned away in those situations. You have to think it was not a spontaneous arrival.

You know, that LeBron's people called the Cavs people a week ago and said he's's going to be in for this. But what if it weren't? Do you guys have Josh Cabernet from 2021? What if it weren't is the interesting hypothetical in my mind, whether somebody like LeBron could just show up that day and expect to walk over to public relations. They're saying they only have J-Lor.

It would have been hilarious if he was like in section 128, row seven. Yeah. No, like we got an end seat for you, LeBron. I have told you guys over the last couple of years that all the public stuff about Tyreek Hill makes me think that there's no way that he's so unlucky that every bad thing or wrong thing that he's doing

we are learning about that it suggests the amount of incidents suggests a general recklessness in your life that is uncommon if that much of it is spilling into public and I bring it up because of the last couple of years of Rashid Rice Super Bowl champion if you want to see some of the things that have become public that would suggest to you that there is a bit of messiness around him that is problematic and has largely and quietly been eradicated from this sport. I came down hard on how Roger Goodell made himself emperor of rules to clean up all

of the arrests in the bad behavior in his sport when he had a public relations nightmare of pac-man jones getting in trouble everywhere he cleaned that up with such firm discipline on the employees and unprecedented penalties that you don't think this way about football anymore you may do so athletes in general but you don't think anymore that the nfl has an arrest problem that the nfl has a crime problem there might be an occasional ray rice or something here and there the grabs your attention but this is not a blanket over the sport the way it was when we looked at the bangles and it was chris henry and pac-manMan Jones and we're like what the hell's the matter with that

team? How is it that nobody can stay out of jail? Well the penalties are so stiff because of Roger Goodell that players aren't doing it obviously nearly as much. Are you apologizing to Roger Goodell? I got it wrong. Okay. I got it wrong that that was so heavy-handed and so unprecedented that it violated the rules I thought of the collective bargaining agreement that he should be with his partners not fighting his partners on that but he wanted to clean up the image and it did work it didn't work immediately but it did work but in spite of that

i bring you the last couple of years of rishi writes this is from m l football reportedly involved in a shooting over a girl with friends. Fired five agents since his last game in college, according to sources. Negotiated his own rookie contract, per source. Set the NFL rookie record for playoff receptions in January. Won the Super Bowl. Hit and run. major accident in March, faces eight felonies that was with a bunch of luxury cars all under his name that apparently were racing and it's after the rugs stuff where the lesson is very recent on how

you can throw away everything driving fast because you're a young person who thinks he's bulletproof. Arrest warrant issued in April and then allegedly punches a photographer in May. That's a good amount of stuff to be public and I'm guessing that we don't know just of all the bad in his life. There's just a recklessness there that seems a bit unsafe. Teams knew, teams knew because as he was starting to come online last season

when Kansas City needed a receiver to step up, I was wondering aloud, why did this guy go so low? Personnel guys knew all these things that were around him. That's when I found out about the the car incident that happened in college. Yeah, no, they it's impossible to keep secrets these days from these folks. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the Chiefs are taking all sorts of chances. This might be the opportunity to talk about Harrison Butker, but their special teams unit just shows you like at these These guys don't even see the field really all that much anyway, so they took a chance with Tariq Hill But but when you credit goodell The reason it's working is that the players union went along with

These penalties which a lot of people didn't agree with. Well they fought a lot of them. They fought a lot of them in court. They didn't they didn't collectively bargain what the penalties were. They were fighting them case by case basis because they were trying to keep the precedents from being set. He still finds himself in a bit of a pickle in that everything is open to to his POV on things. There's no real textbook. What does a rule book say about, is it 25 allegations? Is it 32?

And that's where he seems to be making up the rules as he goes along. But I think as Dan pointed out, that's a better option than what we had before. There's no question that it got fixed. Like this league had a legitimate problem where we were spending off seasons Talking about the NFL's image problem. I read the other day that Basketball was bringing back the dress code for coaches. Is that an accurate report? I hope so in the NBA

Do you like this is where I find myself with Chris Whittingham here? There's just I like the coaches in suits I just like the coaches in suits. I just like the coaches in suits. I agree. And I won't apologize for it. There, man, that's a relief. Put it on the poll, Juju. Do you like the coaches in suits at Leviticus?

Everyone looks like Bob Huggins out there. Let's have some pride. I like Spoh in the polo. No. No? Well, guess what? You're gonna love Spoh back in a suit. Just basketball coaches, right?

Just basketball coaches. I don't know if it's because I grew up around Pat Riley looking like a million dollars The reason million bucks Armani. Yeah, put the baseball managers in suits. That's where you get my attention Really? Yes, that would be funny. Yep. I'm serious And then they walk out they walk out to the home plate for the meeting and they get like clay in their shoes. Yeah, well, you know, you're wearing a wingtip. I just can't, where it bothers me the most, this is going to sound stupid, but where it bothers me the most is I can't tell the assistants apart from the trainers. I don't follow the sport that closely enough, and I'd like to. I'd like to know if someone's whispering something in a player's ear, whether or not that's an assistant

or just like a towel guy. Dan, another question that's coming. Connie Mack was born in 1862. Yeah. I mean, let's reel it back. He died in 56. Can we isolate, please, Greg Cody's, you're wearing wing tips. Like a car.

It sounded like a car trying to start. You're wearing wing tips. Okay. What do you guys feel about the, let me know in the comments below. What do you guys feel about the coaches wearing suits? Because I died. I agree with you.

It bothers me. It bothers me. And I understand why, you know, you want to go comfort in COVID and just like, it was a Pandora's box If I were a coach I'd prefer to be able to throw seven sets of sweats in the luggage and just go and not have to worry about Ironing or dry cleaning or any or dress shoes or anything like that?

You're not doing that. I'd rather have a whole team of people that handle all that for them I want the coaches in uniform the NBA coaches. That would be good with a number and everything. Yep I want the coaches in uniform, the NBA coaches. That would be funny. That would be good. With a number and everything. Yep. I think if I wore a suit and I was a coach, like in the NBA with the wooden flooring,

I'd wear tap shoes. Yes. To make sure you get your players attention. I like that. Because then you don't even have to scream that much, you just do, tap, tap, tap. You can call a play with it. That's great idea.

Exactly right. That's inspired. You can almost, like Morse code, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. What's going on? What's going on, yeah. That's a great idea. It'd be like, the sideline report would be like, holy shit, Popovich, you really tapped the hell

out of that sequence. Like, clapping his elbow while tap dancing. Michael Flatley would be one of my assistant coaches. So just a Morse code, though, that's unique to your team, right, because you can't have them be expert and fluent in tapping as well. So just a Morse code though that's unique to your team, right? Because you can't have them be expert and fluent in tapping as well. And they know how to defend you. Well, they're the tap class as well.

Yeah, they know. Because you want to have, well, now it's complicated because how do you have tap sneakers when you change the play on the court? Look, that's for the league partners to figure out why Savion Clever is calling the two. Connie Mack lost nearly 4,000 games as a manager. Spring is the best time to add new challenges to your training. Just in time for summer and warmer days, spring is the best time of the year to take a new look at your fitness routine, dial it up a notch, and continue powering on.

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table as we started, right? Spike did it. Greg has been loud today, away from the microphone, loud when I didn't need him to be, quiet when I do need him to be loud. It is a Greg Cody Tuesday in full force and we need to clip and send to the masses Greg Cote getting out there with one of the hotter takes I have seen which is if the Greg Doyle situation happened to him, he would send the flames roaring into the sky and create a giant political division between the genders in America today by being a freedom fighter

on behalf of I don't know what because he would quit if the newspaper told him that he couldn't cover the fever games and he would become he would become somebody who would become weaponized by the right wing as somebody who's fighting for the America of yesterday, the correct America, the America that men deserve to have, one of free speech, and what are you getting mad about? I mean, you're, you're, he's saying you would be weaponized. Well said, I get it, I've been there. Okay, I'm on the right side of this, I'm on the side of sanity. I'm not trying to it's not a backward opinion

I'm throwing out here. Greg, I do see your argument absent context, but Greg Doyle, there was a history there. I think you seek your reputation against Greg's reputation. It goes differently for you. Okay. You make your public apology and I think you've bought enough in the court of public opinion that people would give you a pass on that one. Greg Doyle's got assorted history. I mean even Dave Portnoy had a go at Greg Doyle. I mean...

It's a body of work thing. Yeah, the unlikeliest people came out against Greg Doyle's body of work. I believe I prefaced it by saying what he said was juvenile and sexist and a bunch of other words I used. No, Greg, but I just like... And he deserved the suspension. Yes, you did say all of that, and I'm just laughing at the idea of the whole thing getting so much worse because Greg Cody is someone who can be stubbornly right,

but also takes a minute to give up on stubbornly wrong. And so because he'd be fighting his newspaper, he would get caught up in the whirlwind of threatening to end his career at the end over a principle, and he would absolutely be turned into a political talking point. He would become a symbol for an assortment of things that we argue about today. In fairness to Greg and shocking to no one because he didn't think his take all the way through,

he said I would quit, pause, I think. No, but we pressed him on it and I am just enjoying the way arguing goes with Greg Cody and me over, I don't know, 40 years is, even if he's wrong, he's going to try and argue for a long time that he's not and then he'll come around days later. Now I want you to imagine Greg Cody's career going up in flames over this because he's quit at the end, he's 50 years of service at over this because he's quit at the end. He's 50 years of service at the paper. He's fighting for free speech, I guess, but he's he seems to be against women.

You know what he's saying? It's great. Wait, wait, time out. Time out. This is just what people are saying hypothetically. Right. Greg, I'm not saying it about you. I'm saying you care about women.

You've just had what happened with Greg Doyle. I'm putting I'm not saying you actually don't care about women. I'm saying you've just had the By the way, I I do think body of work matters. You have a back in my day. But let's just say this happened to you. I think you'd lay your shield down the second you got a phone call from Armando Salguero. As an ally. Greg, I agree with you.

You get so many allies. Greg, let me. I don't know what Armando Salguero has to do with this. You don't get this. Okay, Shitst stain has a website that has an assortment of shit stains doing the political work you'd be in sports and you would turn into a freedom fighter for those people let me go back because I know I hurt your feelings we have long established you've

misrepresented me just let me finish please because you have said on the show and we've heard you here before that you are a lover of women and advocate for women and your woman is the great your wife is the greatest person in the world and we all know what you believe here i'm saying hypothetically you have exactly the controversy that greg dole finds himself in which whether you believe it's against women or not Greg Doyle is now Buried under this guy doesn't know how to deal with women this he's getting buried under a controversy

That's no longer about him It's about the symbol that he becomes as we argue about this shit during the gender wars the culture wars The race wars everything that's going on and so the idea of you stubbornly ending your career That way with that as the hill that you die on at the end. Hey, this is a journalistic misdemeanor It shouldn't be a felony. I want my God-given First Amendment free speech right to speak freely about the WNBA. WNBA. I want to cover it. I want to cover the WNBA. That's a funny mountain for you to die on. I have no idea why you're saying that with a

shit-eating grin. And I'm surprised, as a former journalist, that you don't respect what I'm talking about in the point I'm trying to make, which is that I have never in 50 years been told, not that, as long as I've been a columnist since the early 90s, I have never been told what I can and cannot write. I have never been banned from writing about a particular subject. In this case, I think Greg Doyle is totally guilty. I think he deserves to serve the suspension he's serving. But I don't think what he did deserves to have a lifetime ban from doing his job properly in Indianapolis. And if my newspaper's not gonna let me do my job properly,

I'm not gonna work for that newspaper anymore. That's all I'm saying. If I were Greg Doyle, I would threaten to quit, and I would quit with my head held high. But Greg, consider the body of work that we're talking about. I don't wanna argue that part. I just wanna-

Thank you for taking all the fun out of this. I wanna find the humor in what it is that- Well, he's not finding the humor. The way that Greg laid it out, I side with you. And I do think that fentanyl is a huge issue that we should do something about as well. Yeah. Greg, your argument on behalf of what it is,

and that was a nice cut there as a former journalist. It was a, I have clearly, I have hurt Greg Cody. It was a bar. It was, as a former journalist. I would think you, most people would have heard shit eating grin and moved on. But the one, the bar there was former journalists. That was with intent.

No, I know, it was, no, and it was funny that you got this way about this subject matter The thing that I'm trying to accentuate is your career ending that way Head held high and then are lean coming over to you four days later. Hey Because Greg Cody would absolutely enjoy the general attention, applause and everything of, yeah, and at the very end I just threw it all up in the sky because I didn't know how I was going to end it. And that'll do. Like, just the glorious, like flames in the sky I'm a

national figure I'm a sports columnist who matters I've entered the gender wars I'm for free speech men women everybody and you cannot censor me follow me everyone I insist on covering the Indiana fever it's just him and Doyle you must must give me my right, my constitutional right to cover the fever. He did in the 1800s. That was a pandemic that swept the middle of the country. He was there, docking at first hand. But okay, Greg.

Not a single smirk from my dad. Oh, he's not happy. He's enraged. He's enraged right now. I'm not enraged, I'm disappointed. You once had a go at Dan for being to look at me for the Hall of Fame vote. He's not he's enraged. He's enraged. I'm not enraged. I'm disappointed you You once had a go at Dan for being to look at me for the the Hall of Fame vote This was when he was an active journalist not a former one

Don't you think that that would be a little look at me and this this is all understanding that this is all a hypothetical I can only speak for myself and Greg Doyle don't do the whole spiel again if what is happening to Greg Doyle had Was happening to me, right? You would stubbornly fought it. I would not sit quietly You would serve my suspension and come back under the rules that I am banned from covering This team and this woman because of what I did which I don't think well I think it was a journalistic misdemeanor. And what I said before is very important. You have a personal conversation with Caitlin Clark, and how she feels about it matters. Okay? If she's so upset that she doesn't want to deal with Greg Doyle, that's a different matter.

If she's forgiving— But are you okay then, if you're getting banned in this hypothetical? Now— Then I would understand. Then I would understand. For what it's worth, like jokes aside, I side with Greg, Cody, in that, you know, if Greg Doyle, I would actually enjoy

to hear Greg Doyle's perspective going forward after going through this and seeing how he can evolve with it. I don't think that we should close him off from it. This goes back to the Pacers series of yesteryear. I don't like Greg Doyle one bit, but I understand though that it's a different thing. I want to make clear to the audience that the part of this that I'm focusing on is not whether I agree or disagree with Greg. Punishments are subjective. All

punishments are subjective. Again, Greg Cody again Greg Cody one g or a mohawk it's a Greg with two G's it's Greg Cody is poking out again which he looks down yeah and isn't the why like in the middle of it yes that's very confusing that is weird Doyle you're defending a double G Greg I am in this Wow I challenged Dan Lebatard to tell the audience whether or not he agrees with me that the punishment of Greg Doyle should stop at the suspension and should not bar him from continuing to work on the power of the turntables.

Someone's about to be weaponized by the right. Let's go ahead and play the sound of Greg Cody stammering Classic former journalist Put it on the side put it on the side because you've caught me toward the end of a break here you have Maneuvered me into a position where you're unlikely to be aggregated and I'm very likely to be aggregated And so I wanted to keep it on the hypothetical I'm very likely to be aggregated. And so I wanted to keep it on the hypothetical Greg Doyle that you were, when you asked me, who do I agree with? Greg, it's the Greg Cody that's acting

as the hypothetical Greg Doyle who's trying to avert punishment. He pulled a U-turn. He really did. I should ban those around here. I should ban the U-turn around here because you have positioned this now in a place where I have to maneuver and gather my thoughts on this and and bunker which i've

promised for several segments to talk about so if i'm going to get aggregated i'm gonna do it next you know you you're you're wearing a wing