The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Avoiding The Paperwork

Episode Date: February 15, 2024

Are you surprised the streakers at the Super Bowl were from Miami? Would you go to jail to avoid doing paperwork? Do you believe Dana White REALLY walked out on Howie Mandel? Then, Mina Kimes is here. First, Mina shares her thoughts on yesterday's shooting at the Super Bowl parade in Kansas City and her reaction as a mother, in the workplace, and as a human being. Then, we get to football with her takes on Kyle Shanahan's OT strategy, Christian McCaffrey, the Chiefs defense, Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift after the Andy Reid moment, and Steve Wilks' firing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe Kings Network. This is the Don Lebatore Show with the Strikers in the Super Bowl who were caught including Mike Ryan that both of them were from Miami? Both Strikers in the Super Bowl went to Las Vegas. You're surprised by that? I'm just finding out for the first time. Yes That there were two of them there were two Strikers including one who looked like a shirtless Mike Ryan not surprising I'd be surprised if they weren't from Miami. Yeah, okay, because both of them somehow. And that seems like a really unpleasant night that's not worth it. It seems like an assortment of bad judgments that result in your life being,

you know, not just your freedom taken away for the evening, but I'm guessing it ruins that night and several other days and paperwork and everything else. It doesn't seem, the cry for attention doesn't seem in any way worth it, especially since most people don't televised this anymore. Television has figured out a way not to reward this behavior. But I ask you guys not understanding what it is that young people do in exchange for attention. Because all the time on social media,

I'm mortified by somebody who's standing at the edge of a cliff for a photograph when they can fall off that cliff and many people do get the photo that they want to show everybody doesn't seem worth it well but this that you tell me if it's worth it in the modern economy of attention is the only currency that matters a shirtless Mike Ryan has forever the photos of him being handcuffed and dragged off the field. Is it worth it? Whatever the inconvenience is, because there's a cost that costs thousands of dollars, whatever

it is, the penalties, the lawyers, the bond, all of that stuff is very expensive. Plus, as you pointed out, the paperwork, all of it. Oh, just all of it. You have to go. Yeah, you say the you say the paperwork, you can make fun of me, but there's a bureaucracy involved with what you're going to be inconvenienced by doing that that I don't think a streaker considers before doing that.

I understand that. Just the detail I'm not concerned about is the paperwork. It's annoying. I don't- You asked Mike how annoying was the paperwork. One of my greatest fears is having to do a bunch of paperwork. Totally got me by surprise.

Yeah, I did not know that when I was being processed, it took paperwork. Stu gots mocks this and yet I know Stu gots is the first one complaining anytime he makes a doctor's appointment that he has to fill out a form. I hate it, but I'm just saying I'm drunk, I'm at the Super Bowl, I'm thinking about streaking, I'm weighing the positives and the negatives. Never will paperwork come into my mind. It's always the same form too, right? You go back to the same doctor's office every time

and they make you fill out the, my pharmacy hasn't changed. It's still that same Walgreens. Please stop asking me to fill this out and look up their address every freaking time I come in here. My God. I know, Stugach, you're mocking the idea that I'm thinking about paperwork

with nude streaking at a Super Bowl, but I'm telling you, it's one of the greatest inconveniences I consider. I get it. When I'm like, I don't wanna get arrested in this situation, what is worse? I'm gonna lose my freedom for a while, but I'm not gonna have to fill out paperwork,

or as part of the loss of my freedom, you're gonna make me fill out paperwork, because if you wanna jail me to avoid The paperwork I might choose that as an option. Okay, that's how badly. I don't want to partake in paperwork. All right I got it. Don't do your taxes then. This is very simple. I don't see your what I have others do them Stu Gatz doesn't even have others do them Paperwork let me ask everybody here a question because this is something that happened a couple of days ago and I immediately thought it was staged.

I don't know if it is actually staged or not, but on Howie Mandel's podcast, I love that I'm saying that. I love that everyone has a podcast. I love that his podcast has a cat behind him wearing a hat for some reason. Howie Mandel, famed germaphobe, has a podcast that evidently is very popular and Dana White came on it and Howie Mandel was effusive in his praise and then Dana White did something that was strange. Not only an amazing businessman, you are an inspiration, you are a philosopher, the way you do business, the way you conduct your business and your friendships and media is, I'm jealous. And but Dana, I can't thank you enough for being here.

Thank you for all the kind words, I appreciate it. I am so tired of doing podcasts. It's, I'm literally done with them. I'm not doing any more podcasts. Dan walks out. Comedically perfect. Don't know if it was intentional or not. Think it's funny the way that it is. Don't understand it. Think it's staged. But the awkwardness at the end is so well executed by the actors involved that it makes me wonder if this is just them confused as we are by

why you would walk away from what is a fusive praise when you are just a promoter who's a carnival barker who is soaked in compliments at all times and somehow got away with slapping his wife in public without any consequences. So burdened by compliments that he walks off. Tell me, is it stage or is it real? Somebody. So he, I saw this pop up on my timeline, a couple days removed from him appearing on Pat McAfee,

where he said, this is the only type of show like this that I do, I only do podcasts. I love podcasts because I don't like to deal with media because they try to getcha, which I think in Dana's speak is hold you accountable. He doesn't like that about media, prying and holding them accountable. So he appears on podcasts and he was putting over

the notion of podcasts and this lines up in direct opposition of a take that I heard last week on Pat McAfee's show, which leads me to believe possibly staged, but the performances are so good in this that you know what, you got me if you're acting. Including Dana by the way, because I've seen Dana try to act before, and you could see as Howie Mandela is complimenting him, this notion of him not wanting

to be there is washing over his face. He's conveying that, that is great acting if it is indeed acting. I don't know what's real and what's not real anymore. And I'm tired of trying to figure it out. I really am. I have no idea if that stage or not. It appears to me to be staged. Why would you walk out then? He's not criticizing you. He is promoting you. One of the best television shows I have seen recently, it's on what used to be Showtime. It's The Curse. And Christopher Nolan has says it's unlike any television

he's ever seen before and he's right. It's all awkward and it's wonderfully awkward and it's funny awkward. Can you guys play that for me again just so that we can get the last 10 seconds? Because the last 10 seconds of awkward visually is where the gold is because awkward is wildly funny. I'm recommending to all of you the curse, okay?

It's Nathan Fielder and it's unlike anything I've seen on television. It just sinks into all the awkward. Watch this at the end. Not only an amazing businessman, you are an inspiration, you are a philosopher. The way you do business, the way you conduct your business and your friendships and media is,

I'm jealous. And, but Dana, I can't thank you enough for being here. Thank you for all the kind words I appreciate it. I am so tired of doing podcasts. It's, I'm literally done with them. I'm not doing any more podcasts. podcast. Look, it's comedy. It can't get funnier than that.

I think that's real. If they if they if this was a put on like you got me, it's really good. The performance is if this is a fake. What level of power and privilege have you arrived at when someone is calling you an inspiration, a philosopher? They're jealous of you. They love you as a businessman, as a friend, and it makes you storm off. If you feel like it's disingenuous,

which I don't think it is from Howie. If you've had a week, I don't know when he recorded this. It could have been Super Bowl week in Las Vegas. And he's just genuinely tired of doing anything. He's just tired of overwhelming praise. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Stugazia, when you love someone, you protect them in the best ways you can.

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My God, look at him now. Just Jack White doing Elvis and Dewey Cox. Stugats. She hits it out of the park. Harry Carey is who that is? It's Will Ferrell doing Harry. And Elvis occasionally. Look out now! This is the Dunlopatar Show with the Stugats.

You ready to talk some foosball? We're talking foosball? Yeah. Yeah, do you like foosball? I'm I love foosball me too very true Love it rated game. I'd rather a foosball table. I think growing up My brother and I did and we used to play all the time V2 or one per side We would do one one on one for the most part, but sometimes our parents would play. I would maintain that there's no greater feeling in sports, all sports, than when you are playing foosball and you know you got an open shot at the goal and you spin, you know, you do the pull on spin.

It's kind of like the equivalent of like a like a forehand slam You'll so an inch across a rocket across the table. Oh, it's been too long I do love the the foosball the just whipping it as fast as you can right? Yes, you got a straight shot when you see that opening and and you just go But I'm also someone who misses a lot with that and so it's like the golfer who misses with this swing that he thinks the ball is going to go 300 yards. Yeah, you can bet that like back them though. I mean, I cannot. The worst is when you do it and it backfires and it comes right back into your own goal.

I hate that one in air hockey. You bris. That happens to me all the time in air hockey where I score on myself because I'm sending a rocket. It comes back too fast. Yes, come back too fast. Yes, it comes back too fast. And then that sound haunts me, the sound of it clacking in your own goal. Yeah.

I mean, it's nice to see you. It is always nice to see you. We have a lot of football to discuss with you, but before we discuss the football portion of this, I did see that you, it's awkward. It's always awkward when you have a celebration marred by a shooting. How do you navigate in this America as someone who's societally conscious,

how do you navigate your love of football, your love of the celebration, your love of the chiefs winning with, oh, we have to stop the celebration here to have the football players console kids who are dealing with the kind of tragedy that kids should never have to deal with at a time like this in this country and yet they face it in this country more

than they face it in any country that was the the note from this shooting and and all the everything that happened around it that really like took my breath away is that i saw a report is from albert Beer about how the players were comforting the kids and he was saying you know they were great and he was complimenting that and you know it's um you you you want to praise them and it's wonderful but oh my god right just the revelation just thinking about the kids being there having to see it it. Now the rest of their life, who knows how old they are, but having that trauma and carrying

it with you and obviously so many instances of that. You asked me how I navigate. I always wonder what is worth saying and what is worth commenting on because it not only feels futile and I think a lot of us wrestle with that as public figures or just people, but it feels so repetitive and redundant to just keep saying, it's the guns, it's the guns, it's the guns. Although some people won't even say that, won't use the word guns. We see all these statements that don't reference guns. I never know what, whenever I face like a real story intersecting with football that

goes outside the field, I always ask myself, what can I actually add to this? And as I was thinking through, I was like, I don't feel like I have a lot to add beyond not being an expert. I question always, what can I say that's even additive or helpful? The only thing I felt was worth my time was just sharing the same information that I've shared before about the guns, about the fact that America has, you know, 26 times more gun homicides in other high income countries. I shared an article that examines the connection between the prevalence of guns in this country and gun violence.

But at this point, you can't help but feel like, well, you're kind of banging your head into a wall, right? Because if you're ignoring the facts at this point, the facts have been out there, the facts get repeated every time this happens. So I guess you just have to keep doing that. You have to keep, even though it feels like you're banging your head into a wall, you have to keep sharing that information. You have to keep saying the word guns. You

have to keep calling out public figures because what else can we do at this point? I will tell the audience like we did earlier in the show, theshotline.org, if you want to feel slightly less helpless today, theshotline.org is a couple of easy steps to have AI voices of victims and demand action as well to see if this can be slightly more moving to places in – to people in places where maybe it doesn't reach them. But I ask you this question before we move on to the silliness, Mina, does any of you feel differently today experiencing this now that you're a mother than you did two or three or four years ago? Because I do think the horror that can reach anyone listening to this, whether you have

kids or not, is that everyone can be united in the consensus of we shouldn't be slaughtering children hard stop. But these are sacred places. So I'm certain Mina has changed her viewpoint on this because Dan, we're talking about parades, we're talking about schools, we're talking about movie theaters, we're talking about all the places Mina that you would send your kids. Yeah, absolutely changes how I take this story, which doesn't mean that it can't hit you just as hard if you don't, you know, have a child or you don't have that. Someone in your life who is vulnerable and you want to protect them and your whole life is specking you how to protect them now.

And what a story like this drives home that it didn't for me before is that because of the circumstances of where we live, the fact that we live in a place where so many people have accepted those circumstances, where our public officials accept those circumstances and are supported by people in our country, you can't. And that's like a breathtaking thing to realize. And it's so scary. And my kid, you know, he's home, he's five months old. He's in my house. I see him most the day. But thinking about my first thought was like, wow,

will I feel comfortable taking him to public places? But then there also is the thought of, well, but then there's going to be half of the day at some point, he's going to be separated from me. And we do all of these things to protect him. I spent so much time agonizing, am I feeding him the right food? Am I giving him the right toys? I don't know, educational toys or whatever. And that realization that you not only don't have control, and of course that's true of

anywhere, but that lack of control, that risk is exacerbated because of where we live. It's just shocking. I hadn't thought of it before. And you hold that in your heart now every time you say goodbye, every time they walk out the door, Stu's not, I mean, Stu, you know, I just can't believe that we're all so accepting of that right now. We are all, but that as a country, we've accepted that level of risk when it comes to, you know, the people who are the most vulnerable. So this is an awkward flailing transition into football topics of the day.

I haven't figured out how to do this one yet. Bro. Uh, no, I have not figured out how to do this one yet because I don't know. I know I was talking to Nick Wright. Nick Wright, this is a pretty fun time for Nick Wright, but this is his city. It's the city he cares about and, and he has kids and he's running away from a celebration where he's hugging Travis Kelsey He's in the middle of the celebration And he feels the need to nail the moment right now in terms of social commentary

On behalf of being a person with a microphone talking about the important things that need to be talked about I don't know how this next year is going to play out, Mina, but I also don't know how you jump back and forth between, let me talk about Kelsey bumping Andy Reid, let me talk about what a fool Shanahan is, and also let me talk about gun violence in America because it's out of control in a way that's no longer acceptable to anybody. But isn't that the tension that everyone is living with now in our country? It's one thing for us to say, okay, professionally we're having to make these transitions, you're going to be about to ask me about Ghazi Hanan, Steve Wilkes or whatever, and I have to hold

multiple thoughts in my head at once. But again, everybody, regardless of whether you have a microphone in your face, had to hold those thoughts at once yesterday when they went about their days, when they saw the news, absorb the news, probably hit up the friends and said, wow, this sucks. Nothing's happening. And then went back to work. It's just we're constantly now living in this state where we have to constantly live with that fear, that risk, and then go about our lives. It's not just us. Don't you become numb though? Isn't the danger that the helplessness and the inactivity, and no matter what you do, nothing changes, isn't the danger that you become numb to the lack

of humanity in all of it? That you just, if it's happening one and a half times a day somewhere, and if it's happening more here than it's happening everywhere else, and we keep yelling about it and nothing changes, I don't know how you don't become numb to your helplessness. I think that's the choice you have to make is, for us, people who have platforms is,

okay, do I really want to share this same article and say the same things when it feels like nothing's changing? It feels like it's not reaching anyone. And you have to make that tiny bet that maybe 2% of the people who see this, it didn't know the facts. They weren't aware of the disparity between this country and other high-income countries. Perhaps didn't know about the connection between the very demonstrable, proven connections statistically between the prevalence of guns and gun violence. Or maybe they already did...

It's somebody who was concerned about control but wasn't armed with those sorts of statistics when they have that conversation with other people in their lives, you have to just keep doing it even though it does feel futile and repetitive. And I think there's also something about the normalization of continuing to speak out, you know, even if it doesn't feel like it changes anything, the more people who just do it every time and continue to do it and continue to point to the statistics and continue to decry the inaction of public officials, that's ultimately how change comes about even though it feels like it's never gonna happen and it's taking forever. I will tell the audience again, theshotline.org. Mina will come back with you after this.

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This is the Don Lebatar show with the Stugas. Alright, Mina, let's transition into the playground silliness of what was most theatrically interesting to you? What was the football stuff that was most interesting to you? What of Stugats' classification of Kyle Shanahan? That's a fireable offense. You got to know the rules. Get out of here, Kyle Shanahan.

You should be fired. People can Get outta here, Kyle Shanahan. You should be fired. You can't, people can't let up on Kyle Shanahan. He deserves to be buried for costing his team the Super Bowl. He gets rid of Steve Wilkes today. Oh, Wilkesy, I mean, what is going on? I accept some responsibility for what happened in that game. You didn't know the rules. You think he did?

No, I don't think he knew the overtime rules. I mean, I think he's a smart coach. If he knew the rules, he would have known to go for it on 4th down because you don't get Patrick Mahomes a chance to march down the field and beat you. Did he know the rules or did he understand the rules? There might be a difference there. Stu, you seem to have, you kind of, I don't know if you backed into it or if you, you're actually, this was intentional, but you actually, that to me is a more nuanced criticism than the one that I've been hearing more, which is, how dare he not take the ball second so you have the opportunity to, you have the information. You mentioned that he didn't

go for it. And I haven't seen that criticism that much. I actually think that is a perhaps a better and more interesting critique that they kick the field goal there on fourth down when they had the ball. Because if you go for it there, yes, it's possible that you don't convert, but you also if you don't convert, you pin the chief. They were all the way near the goal line. And I actually thought that that's something I haven't seen many people suggesting that Shanahan should have done that. I was actually surprised when Shanahan went for it on fourth down during regulation because he's a very conservative coach.

This is long been my frustration with him. I think he's an absolutely brilliant play caller. I think he makes a lot of mistakes as a game manager. And ultimately, I think, you know, you could argue that that that came to haunt him not just in overtime with his approach, but at the end of the first half didn't take a time out, cost a team an extra possession. I've seen him do that a million times. It's crazy. Like he's the most creative, smart, best at sequencing play caller in the NFL. And yet seems to have like an

inability in his own playcalling when it comes to offensive aggression and it drives me nuts. More over the reason to actually kick there and not receive because it takes some of the guesswork out of it. You know exactly what the scenario is if you have the ball second, which is another shocking reason and you're saying wholeheartedly he knew the rules. Understanding is something different. The players very clearly didn't. And there was a difference there outside of the guy

who caught the game winning touchdown, who said he didn't know who if he won. The important players on that Kansas City offense said that this was something that was drilled into them. We have not, I think, given enough attention to the fact that we were robbed of what could have been one of the funniest moments in the history of Super Bowls, which is if the 49ers had scored and they all thought they would have won. What have we got? Walk off. Yes. We saw that

the players didn't know if they had scored, they would have gone ballistic. We might have had guys like running onto the field celebrating. Getting penalties. Getting penalty. Giving my homes 15 yards because they had the ball the one. I have a feeling you would have seen Kyle Shanahan celebrate two. I see a lot of it. Gatorade bags. No other values, interesting guys. You know when they changed the rules after the chief's bills gave, I talked to a lot of rules after the the chief's bills gave I Talked to a lot of folks around the NFL because I was curious like my initial thought was you take the ball second So you have information I by the way, this you gots is not strong in me

I tweeted that at the beginning you can go look at the timestamp at the beginning of overtime So it wasn't Monday Monday morning morning quarterbacking on my part But I was surprised by a lot a lot of folks around the NFL It wasn't Monday, Monday, Monday morning quarterbacking on my part. But I was surprised by a lot of folks around the NFL were like, you can actually make a case for it either way because as Shanahan alluded to the advantage you get if you have the third possession when it goes to sudden death. And then you give your defense a break as well. I suspect though moving forward we'll probably see more teams take the ball second.

We had so little, there's so little, this is the first time it ever happened. Nobody really had the information to work off of. And you can say, well, how do you do that when Kyle, or when Patrick Mahomes is on the other side, totally get that. But you could also argue that, you know, he had a lot of faith in his own offense to score. Now, the Chiefs players said that they would have kicked gone for two. I tend to believe them. So that to me might have been Shanhan's biggest miscalculation is not believing the other team would be more aggressive than him and go for two. Mina, you got an awful lot right. You told us, you warned us that Kansas City would be some semblance of fine. You also told us that everyone you talked to told you that McCaffrey would have that

game. What I hadn't accounted for is that Kansas City would allow McCaffrey to have that game in exchange for, Debo's not going to get anything. Kittle's not going to get anything. And IUke's not going to get anything. I didn't think that was possible. I'm used to every time I look up, Pertie's getting 300 yards because Debo and IUke have 110 of them. Yeah. The week of the Super Bowl

I at in radio row I had Mavs Garrett and Denzel Ward on my YouTube channel and I asked them like what'd you guys do because the Browns gave the Niners a really hard time and I think that was a bad way that was about it definitely was about other game but both of them said we just were like you know what we're gonna go down fighting and play man coverage. And we're going to win with the pass rush and bat balls because a smaller quarterback that the man we're going to, we're going to play sticky man coverage because we have the personnel to do so. And I think I underestimated the ability of the chiefs secondary to do that as well. I mean, rewatching the coverage was outstanding.

Trent McDuffie, Legerius Neid, I mean, they had Debo in an absolute chokehold in this game, just so physical at the light of scrimmage, and it really disrupted the Niners' offense to their credit. That and the fact that, like, you know, with the Blitzes, obviously tons and tons of unblocked pressures. That was interesting to rewatch too, because every time it wasn't like one thing, like, oh, Brock Purdy is screwing up with the Niners offensive line is screwing up,

or George Kittle's screwing up in past protection, which is how you get Trent McDuffie. It was always a different thing, but it felt like Steve Svagnolo was a step ahead when it come to his pressures versus what the 49ers were doing in past protection. How are we to regard the Kansas City Chief's defense historically? Because I was saying yesterday that if you have Mahomes, you're not allowed to ever

be remembered as one of the best defenses ever. But what they just did to four elite offenses is unlike anything I've seen a defense do, especially in the second hand. It's so unfair. I mean. I don't think this will be regarded as a historically great Defense and the only reason it won't be is because my homes is their quarterback. I Disagree I think people will remember this as a defensive Super Bowl

You know, I think back to the 13 to 3 Patriots Rams Super Bowl I think most of us remember that as being like Tom Brady, like Patrick Mahomes, he had that incredible final drive with Rob Gronkowski, remember to win the game. But when we look back at that Super Bowl, like when I do the Brady Belichick chart, that one goes under Belichick for me. And I think with Mahomes, we're at a point now where there have been so many Super Bowls, I suspect there will be so many Super Bowls that we will be able to do that as well. And we will look back at this year

as very much being about the defense. We will also look at it as though, as the year that Patrick Mahome dragged potentially the worst group of skill players he'll ever have to the Super Bowl. But, you know, I think both things can be true. I'm just looking at that game that's going to be remembered as the Mahomes game.

And I'm going to ask you how many touchdown, long touchdown drives did he have in that game? Only the one that matters, right? Right. Yeah. It was what it mattered most. Yeah. It really is like the Patriots Rams Super Bowl in that way. It should have been longer if Shana had knew the rules.

What did you think of the Kelsey bumping read situation? Because I'm maintaining that if Andy Reed had gone down and had trouble getting up, America would show a great deal of concern for how violent a gesture that was. Travis Kelsey were just black. I think Taylor Swift Internet did show some concern in the moment. I don't know. Maybe I'm just getting served some of the like deep Taylor Swift accounts by the algorithms, but they're like is YouTube violent like Taylor Swift like there because they are very much worried at all times about whether or not he's right for her or

any partner is right for her and I did see a lot of breakdowns of that moment saying whoa whoa whoa whoa we got to watch out for Travis Kelsey here. But yeah I think that's a moment Dan where if the Chiefs had lost it would have been run back a lot more and this is always the case with football right winning a race is everything. Mina I want to know what your thoughts are on Steve Wilkes being fired because it seemed like there was going to be a drop off with the defense no matter what this year after D'Amico Ryan's left and he feels like he's getting a bit of a scapegoat treatment even though I know there were struggles

throughout the season and at the same time Shaneahan did want him to run like the system that they had in place last year so how much do you really blame him? I think this is really, this is really interesting. It's really complicated because if the Niners had not gone to the Super Bowl, I don't think a soul on earth would have been surprised if Steve Wilkes was fired after the performance we saw from that defense against the Packers and the Lions, right? But then they played so well in the Super Bowl that if it and that's our last memory of this defense and this football team, it feels like scapegoating. It's like what the heck the offense didn't come up the defense did their part in the Super Bowl. And I think that's the problems. We're kind of looking at it through the lens of the Super Bowl. My take on sort of his role in that

defense, which was still good during the regular season, but they weren't as good, struggled and run defense, is it all for a while. We've been talking about the Niners losing all these coaches, right? Yeah, like, Kyle Shanahan didn't want to lose to me. Go Ryan, go Ryan's became a head coach, obviously. But there's kind of a brain drain with that. And the sense I got from this team, and they've lost a ton of coaches

on both offense and defense, the sense I got with this team is that they had a very specific identity on defense. D'Amico Ryan's was a brilliant coordinator who executed that identity. And they brought in Wilks who had a specific system, a little bit more aggressive, a little bit more blitzing for a lot more blitzing,

actually, for example. And Shanahan said, okay, keep this thing going. We know what we do on defense. We have the players. And that there was some conflict throughout the season between Hib's vision, D'Amigo Ryan's vision, and Steve Wilkes vision. And I think what we're seeing now

is the result of that conflict, the result of some of the performances during the regular season. But it feels wrong because the last time we saw the defense, they played so well. We've got less than 90 seconds left. I will remind people it's an extraordinary podcast. The Meena Kym Show featuring Lenny is something you should find on YouTube and in just its audio form. But Mike Ryan has a multiple choice question for you and you're only allowed to pick one answer here, one of three. Wow.

Okay. Most important reason the Kansas city chiefs are Super Bowl champions, aside from Patrick Mahomes is possibly the greatest. Drake Greenlauteres is Achilles running on to the field earlier in that game. Leo Channal grades out to be pro football focus as most impactful player in that game, or Kyle Shaneahan decides to get the ball first. I choose D, government sigh up.

I'm sorry, D was actually Trent McDuffie. Oh. Greenlaw's injury was kind of important, though. They were all, yeah, they went after his replacement. I mean, I would probably go with, Chris Jones had some pretty impactful moments. They don't win without Chris Jones. So I'll go with Chris Jones.

Including Mina on the third, if they would have never come down to the fourth down if Perti had made the correct read on third and fourth. Wasn't an option either Mina. That wasn't an option. Pick one of the three. That wasn't one of the options. You went off the board. You went off the board That wasn't an option either, Mina. That wasn't an option. Pick one of the three. That wasn't one of the options. You went off the board.

You went off the board. Now we're out of time, Mina. The answer is Cal, Shanahan very clearly should have kicked the ball. We glossed over something that Mina said earlier. I'm very excited about this. She has a Brady Belichick chart where she assigns who was the reason they won specific Super Bowls.

I want to see that chart next week, okay? The entire chart. I'll show it to you. It's more Brady, but Bell chicks right behind him. It's not. I mean, I'm excited to do this. The off season to talk less football with you and more life, we'll talk to you next week.

The deal expired, so no, you won't. See you later. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Hey, it's Mike Ryan. Recently got back from Las Vegas, Nevada. Was there with some good friends, some co-workers, and it was a good time. Good time had by all. But it was made better thanks to Miller Time. That's right. Looking at my friends, taking that first sip of beer, knowing that I made the right decision, there are a few wonderful moments that I value more than Miller Time on this planet.

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