The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Bad Rabbit

Episode Date: July 21, 2025

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Proximo, Cuervo.com, please drink responsibly. Cuervo. This is the Dan Lebatard Show with the StuGuts Podcast. Juju, put it on the poll, please. Should there be a national chicken finger day at Levitard show did you guys see the story Dan huge news this will make you feel good I can't see you though can you put some lights on in there can you put your phone pretty good here you played so much Chris Paul has signed a deal with the Los Angeles Clippers the team he's probably most associated with, and that will be where he ends his career.

So it's a feel-good story there. And Clippers, I like what they're doing outside of trading us on pal for nothing. I like them. They're going to be prominent in that West. What is the better feel-good story, Chris Paul to the Clippers or Damien Lillard back to the Portland Trailblazers? Chris Paul. Dan, I'm sorry, the news never stops.

It seems as though, and this is big, it seems as though the president has turned the temperature down on the discourse, tweeting, the president should not be telling the Washington football team to change their name. Our country is for bigger problems. Focus on them, not nonsense. Wow. Big news. That's big news.

I'm sorry, that tweet was from October 8th, 2013 from Donald Trump's Twitter account. Sorry, the new algorithm makes it difficult to tell when these things were published, but that was indeed a real tweet from October 8th, 2013. 22 years, yeah. Inconsistent, hypocritical, you don't say. The Oakmont Country Club banned Wyndham Clark.

I'd like to see what the damage is. And an exclusive report, Cavender Twins got new boobs. Hey! Hey! Hey! Chasing this story for a very long time. I stand by my reporting, verified with multiple sources. Thank God for that.

Same size? Ballot question. You know, I gotta know. Greg Cody, you should have heard Greg Cody during the break talking about strip clubs. This story confused him so much. The story with Lloyd Howell. It felt like Greg Cody spent the entire break telling me, hey man, I don't have any moral objections to strip clubs. This person would not have been fired

if he had gone just to a strip club. And you're right about that. But I would say to you, if he was unfortunate enough to get caught on the car service the one time that he did it, I imagine the players would be really upset to see that he was spending the union's money that way. And Greg was saying, well, they go to strip clubs. Yeah, but they don't use the union's

money to do it. They would if they could, though. Probably. And he could. He could, and he couldn't. And he shouldn't. I just think you're imagining outrage from players who go to strip clubs and spend $2,000 on a bottle and don't even think about it. Yes, ideally the guy running their union shouldn't do that, but as I said before, the strip club

controversy alone doesn't matter unless it's preceded by what Pablo reported, unless it's about to be followed by a bombshell. I don't think it doesn't matter at all it probably wouldn't get him fired but I do think again I'm gonna go back to Demora Smith the role is not look at me the role is not you get to spend all the money and have all the fun with the Union's money like I agree with that it's it You're representing a body of labor that wants you to use that money to protect and work on behalf of that body of labor in a way

that is streamlined and efficient and responsible. But I mean, if he's going to a meeting there, he's not gonna show up in his Kia Carnival, you know? Like he has to look the part for the meeting he's attending. But it wasn't a limo, it was a sedan. Like it was there for eight hours. It was $700 because he was there all night. Someone had to watch the part for the meeting he's attending. But it wasn't a limo, it was a sedan. Like it was there for eight hours. It was $700 because he was there all night. Someone had to watch the bags, Dan.

Yeah. Straight from the airport. I would think that the players probably spend that on car services regularly and don't really bat an eye at that being like a crazy expense. Again. Do they get to submit an expense report? Again, again.

You guys are like, I'm not objecting to the strip clubs. I'm objecting to this person's position and how he was spending money that's not his, money that's not earned by him. Yeah, but have you ever been? I have not. To this one? I have not.

I have not been to Tootsies. I see the billboard every day, looks pretty tempting. A billboard I see all the time every day around here is that Theranos's Elizabeth Holmes is making a comeback. How is it that she got the kind of money to make her way back into the game with billboards all over Miami? And you know who I'm talking about, right? Elizabeth Holmes, the fraudster who said she could do something with a droplet of blood. A fraudster finding success in this climate. I

Refuse nobody a return. I don't I just don't really I don't understand how much money she's spending locally or why? I don't understand how that's how that's come about but the story I was mentioning Oakmont Country Club has banned Wyndham Clark because During the US opener he came back to the clubhouse and he destroyed the locker room I do not know the extension the extent of the damages but what they have said lifts the band and I'm curious what you guys think about this and what questions you have about this that if he ever wants to play Oakmont again he has to pay damages he has to make a sizable, charitable contribution, and he has to go to counseling and anger management.

What questions do you have on this story, and what do you think about Oakmont, a country club that is exclusive, banning a professional golfer who's gonna wanna play the US Open there? I will offer you one detail that's interesting here. The US Open isn't back there until 2033, so the band is for eight, he's got to do all of these things within eight years, but if the band holds, then he can't play in the US Open, and so what does he do?

I wouldn't do any of that stuff. I would stand on principal and just go like this to Oakmont. Look, he's Wyndham Clark Okay, he's a nice you tell him he's nobody special If this is Scottie Scheffler today or Tiger Woods back in the day Oakman is saying gee We hope you didn't hurt your hand ruining our locker room. Those those lockers were very very old I mean there were a piece of history Can you guys look up for me? See if you can find any details on how bad the damages were. Like how would you feel about a country club telling you you got to do all these things if you're an emotional athlete who just wrecked

like you should obviously you should pay for the damages. But the idea that you need psychological cloud counseling is aggressive for you guys to tell me that right. So you want me to pay the sizeable donation. Okay. That's just money. You want me to refix the locker room or whatever, but you want me to go to counseling. You want me to tell you where I want you to go? Straight to hell. You want me to go to counseling? You guys go to hell. Charitable donation, too. I'm familiar with this grift off of local private schools down here. We'll consider your child for a small donation. I don't need, thank you, public schools are fine

where I'm at. They weren't saying a small donation. They, I might have that quote wrong. Look, fine for me what the quote is. It's a word like sizable. It's not allowed to be a small donation. Hopefully it's not to a presidential library. That's going around.

How do you see that? The renderings of that, it looks like it's gonna replace this building. The presidential library? Yeah, like when I see it, it's like right across from the Freedom Tower, like they're knocking down this building and building a presidential library here, because that would kind of be funny, Dan,

if they knocked down your studio to build the Trump library here. May every day be another wonderful secret. What does that mean, what do you know? No, what it means is that's what Trump wrote on the alleged letter. That last word is just such a damning crazy word. That's not an expression any of you have ever said in your life.

Put on the poll at LeBotard Show, have you ever written to anyone, anyone in your life, may every day be another wonderful secret? To use the word secret on Epstein is such a damning word. I mean, that actually galvanized his base a little bit because they're like, he doesn't speak like this at all. Which I have to remind people, this was like 20 years ago. You've watched videos of him from 2016. But it does sound like a dumb person trying to sound smart.

I see that, I'm like, yeah, that actually sounds exactly like him Dan meaningful was the word that they used so a meaningful contribution to a charity of the board's choosing What does that mean? What do you guys think of a number when you think of meaningful? I thought it I thought sizable is is What's worse sizable or meaningful? I think sizeable sizable is different than meaningful, but I don't know what meaningful means. I can donate my time. Meaningful? Meaningful donation?

Well, here's my time. It's pretty sanctimonious of a country club, though, to say you need anger management for what didn't. They just showed us the damages. I saw the pictures. I was like, come on. They are Oakmont. There's nothing to sneeze at.

It's so ridiculous, the whole thing. Wyndham Hall, Wyndham Clark should take the offensive here. He should say, this is absurd, I'll write a couple of checks, I did the damage, but you're telling me I got to go to counseling? That's over the top. You don't have the right to do that. You don't have the right to tell anyone they have to go to counseling because I had one bad day in frustration and threw a fist at a locker. Instead of paying to fix these lockers, I'll do a little DIY. Bring my buddy. We take a Matiaso and we get the other side. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Close it up. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Close it up. We're done. Come on. You guys look at this. This is $229 that he's got to write a check for.

That's a Matiaso in the back. Not even $229, Dan. That's it. That looks like wicker though, right? Is that wicker? $229 that he's got to my deal in the back not even $229 Dan. That's that's it. I'm at the house I like bunker though, right is that wicker? Yeah, let's do it a softer like a rubber mallet instead. Is that rattan? Rattan yeah, is rattan shank still around there can't be a rattan shank those had a high sentimental value though Because they're very old lockers. I think part of the original build which is why you don't break Yeah, you don't just get your deal over. You can't find the new parts. There are no new parts.

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Yeah, but the infrastructure is still there. It left half of that crap still on that roof. I was up like higher up on the building. Yeah, but this the like infrastructure is still there. They left half of the crap still on that roof. They're taking that off. Yeah. That's why you got to get under that apron. Howdy folks, it's Mike Ryan. If you were listening to the show just a couple days ago, you know that Jeremy came up with the top five. Breath of fresh air type of list. A really refreshing feeling. And on that list, Jeremy, help me out. I mean, that first sip of a Miller Lite at the barbecue on a hot day, crack it open. Not a lot of feelings better. That sound ultra satisfying. And then that first sip, it hits. And yes, while it's hot

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It's time to own it. Shop now at IKEA.ca. Don LeBretard. A woman who was out swimming with her friends is believed to have been swallowed whole by a 13-foot shark without any of her friends noticing. That's the weirdest part about that story. You're swimming with friends, you're having a good time, and then all of a sudden people are looking around and go, where's Shelley?

Like, nobody screamed? Every friend group has a Shelley though, that if they go missing because a shark ate them whole, you wouldn't notice. Classic Shelley. Exactly right. Stugats! She went quietly apparently. If I'm swallowed whole by a shark, you're gonna know it. This is the Don LeBattarard Show with the Stugats. Rattan Shack is still open in Hylia. There's just one? Is there one in the United States? A single Rattan Shack? There can't be very many. Rattan is backjack.

A single rattan shack? There can't be very many. Rattan is backjack. The Put It On The Pole At LeBattard show is rattan backjack. At the arena though, I don't know if you guys have ever seen this, when you have these penthouses in South Florida. I think South Florida is still, even though there's been a housing collapse, I think we're still the least affordable housing market in the United States but the penthouses around South Florida are Obviously super expensive and you will occasionally see a helicopter coming in and bringing in

furniture like pianos or whatever because you can't get it up through the elevator, and so you have to fly in the furniture and put it from on top. The things that you're talking about that were on the Kasiah Center were so heavy that I would have liked to have seen how they got it out of there because- Easy peasy, bro. You cut that into little bits,

you put one of those things on the side of the building that's like a garbage sheet- How much did they pay? How much did they pay, Billy? Dude, millions. Remember, we talked about it. We'd do it for like half. I'm still saying I can fix the roof of the truck I'm still in business for that. I don't think they've fixed that yet. That's right. What are they here? What do they do with the letters? Can I buy a giant F? I'm serious. What do they do with those letters? What would you do with that letter? Just out of curiosity the giant F

Yeah, I might buy an X. I don't know. Yeah, and do what with it though? What would you do with that letter, just out of curiosity? The F? The giant F, yeah. I might buy an X, I don't know. Yeah? And what with it though? Put it in my backyard. You know, I was- You know, I call it sculpture. So I was talking yesterday, we were at the Marlins again, I told you that earlier, and

I was talking to my wife and my family and I saw the pitch clock. We were right by the section with the pitch clock and it looks tiny on TV but it was massive. And I was like, if I took this pitch clock and put it in my living room it would probably take up nearly the entire wall. And then for some reason I started thinking, and I don this pitch clock and put it in my living room, it would probably take up nearly the entire wall. And then for some reason I started thinking, and I don't know if you guys have done this, and it was inspired by Bad Bunny. Have you ever guys thought,

I don't know if you've seen his concert layout, Bad Bunny, it's like his house, and then he's singing on the patio or whatever. Have you ever guys gone to a game and considered, if my house was in the middle of this field, what would it look like? Because I think my house would fit in the middle of the infield what would it look like? Because I think my house would fit in the middle of the infield,

and then I'd just have a massive yard. I'd see how tiny my house actually is if I just dropped it in the middle of the field. Imagine, it'd be funny if you're just playing and all of a sudden, hey, who put my house there? Game goes on, like MTV Rockin' Chalk back in the day. It doesn't appear to me that anyone has had that thought. They will now.

No, I haven't either. Yeah, put it in the outfield Here's another thought mustn't bad bunnies dad bad rabbit be extremely proud of that man He is. Fart said that his house is missing Put it on the pole at LeBotard show is bad bunnies dad bad rabbit really proud of him at LeBotard show I want that X. I thought you wanted the F. You wanted the F. I'm coming around on the X.

Not the T though. What about the letters in arena? You don't want any of those, the letters in arena? No. No, just the X. Rattan Shack has merged with Allwetter Patio and they have two locations, one in Hialeah, the other one in Sunrise.

Wow, what about rival Rattan Depot? Are they worried about that? Good question. I'll look it up. Okay. You don't need to, Roy. He's making that up because he's toward the end of the show and that's when we get a high amount of bad jokes is later in the show when he's a little tired.

He's locked in though because we haven't mentioned the Greg Cody show yet. Yeah, well, you know, I keep waiting. The Greg Cody show featuring Greg Cody has something special in it this week, does it not? Yeah, we always do, but this week we have a new occasional segment called Get to Know Your Greg and we we took a handful of listener questions and and they were more serious and and better questions than I would have imagined and and some of my answers were surprisingly personal and, dare I say, poignant.

So that's a segment of the episode that I'm pretty proud of. Book news, I mentioned what I broke the news on this show, but I mentioned that in my podcast as well about the Pride of the Lion. And then we have Chris Cody exclusively from a Las Vegas restroom So that's a good segment as well a restroom. Yeah. Yeah, I saw the social club. He had sunglasses on so I wonder Yeah The state of it could be a hangover and now that you mentioned it on the way up. Where'd he learn that from? Hereditary

Hereditary. I don't wear sunglasses. I was just going to say, I don't really wear sunglasses. The hangover is what I was saying. Oh, that. Okay. Greg accepts his hangover, though. He doesn't try to mask it. Right.

It's like, hey, I paid for this right here. I mean, I haven't had any alcohol to drink in four or five hours. Wow. Don't worry about me. Your other arm is bleeding. No, it isn't. No. Liar.

What a liar. You, it isn't. No. No. Liar, what are you? What a liar. You got me worried now. For the balms. I don't understand why. You got us worried, pal. I don't know why your first arm was bleeding. Well, I would lower my sleeves, but it's like 140 degrees in here.

Did you guys, I saw a story this weekend that I didn't think was possible, and I don't know if you guys saw it or if anyone listening to this thought what I'm about to say is possible. What happened to a 61 year old man who was wearing a thick chain at an MRI? Yeah, yeah, I saw the story.

Oh, yeah, I did too, yeah. He died, he died. He got sucked in. It's a giant magnet and he must have been asphyxiated, I guess, but I had no idea that you could die in an MRI. I know they tell you to take your jewelry off and everything else for a reason, but that your chain would be so big and thick that a 61-year-old man could die that I can't even imagine how horrific a death that has to be because nobody can break the chain and you can't get out from under I had no idea that was a

thing that could be possible. Agreed, bad way to go. But did you guys know that was possible? I mean I mean I it's powerful. Was that in a final destination? That are a hundred a thousand one ways to die on it. It felt like Saw heard this. No one could kick out the plug from a wall? I was gonna say, if you unplug it, then it just turns into fall down. Yeah, that whole industry, I don't trust it. Like, oh no, it's totally safe. And then they just run out of the room.

Yeah. Then they put that little vest on you and you're like, what is this supposed to do? And they're like, no, you're good. You're all good. All good. Put it over my balls and you're like, no, you're cool. Don't worry.

You're good. I'm just gonna go hop across this aisle over there and close three doors. Juju, put it on the poll please. We got a lot of polls today. Do you do an MRI comfortably ever? Have you been in one Dan? I have been.

Extremely tight. I'm the entire time, I'm like don't get a boner. Don't get a boner, don't get a boner, don't get a boner. Wait, why? I tell you not to get a boner. They do? Is that just me? That's never come up in pre. Don't get a boner. Don't get a boner. Wait, why? I tell you not to get a boner. They do? Is that just me? That's never come up in...

They do not. Well, never with me either. Why do they tell you that? Not because it could destroy your dick. They have you tighten that thing. But it's made of metal? I don't know. It's not that tight and it's not that big.

Could be made out of metal. Gotta go for an open MRI. Yeah. If you can. Those are fine. I think you're free to get a boner there. No, they're about the same except towards your head they're a little more open, but they're not real open.

Like I asked for one of those and it was still like, obviously claustrophobia is something that a lot of people feel, but my particular MRI, the last one, they make it very comfortable because you can watch something on television right above you and so it makes it easier. But even in an open, open toward the head MRI, which is the only kind I'm willing to do,

it requires some work from me to not feel so uncomfortable that I want out. Like I have to, I have to control my breathing and sort of be regimented about, look, a lot of people come here, nobody ever dies with a chain, nobody ever dies, but the fear is such that I don't open my eyes.

I didn't even watch the television because I didn't want to know how tight it actually is because I'm not small and that opening is. But even with though what I'm saying when you say you got to do an open one I go into the open one like I require I went months later than I needed to because everybody wants the open one and I get to the open one I'm like this is the open one. Yeah look at the opening right there. This does not feel like the open one. Hop in and don't get a boner.

But none of you knew that someone could die like that. There have got to be some other factors here, the age probably being one. I don't know if he's out there with a Cuban link, but I got to see how this happens. There are very clearly a systematic breakdown. Number one, he was able to wear the jewelry in the first place.

I'm sure someone was within earshot. How quick did this happen? I've got questions. Please do some of the first place. I'm sure someone was within earshot. How quick did this happen? I've got questions. Please do some of the reporting because I'm busy doing a show and I can't do it right now. I'm on the Cavender beat. I'm sorry, this is Pablo's. I can tell you that the guy reportedly was not a patient there, did not have an appointment,

and sort of just walked in and snuck in and no one was even allowed to say, hey, take off that big chain, watch out. You know, he just literally walked in and snuck in and no one was even allowed to say, hey, take off that big chain, watch out. You know, he just, he just literally walked in. So you know, I hate to say it, but he, it sounds as if he might've brought on his own demise. You didn't hate to say it because you didn't have to say it. I regretted saying it.

It's a sad story. It is a sad story. You didn't have to say it. You could have stopped it. I hate to say it. Well, you know, the first thing I did was imagine how many 61 year olds are wearing gigantic gold chains Probably not many but after that I did hate to say it because I you know I don't like the untimely death of anyone except my mortal enemies, right?

Who are your mortal enemies, you know Hitler? I wouldn't have mind seeing his demise Might have spit on his grave But it mind seeing his demise might have spit on his grave um it's about it that's gonna say Charles Bricker Armando Salguero just kidding love your monda don libertard Billy somebody has written in here. I need way more Just said in his headset haven't you been to all of them too. It sounds like you were speaking aloud my bed 100% on me Stugats! But that goes without saying. That it couldn't have happened without that. Well, he didn't say it off the air again. Greg, why?

My apology is sincere. Why, Greg? He apologized. Sincerely. This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats! Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. on that I wanted to talk about. One of the things though before that was I was really rooting for Pacquiao this weekend. He was winning after 10 rounds and what happened is age at the end of that fight. He just got tired. Of all the fight cards to lead off with Pacquiao. I mean it was a great weekend in the fight game. He would have been World Champion again at 46 and he was up after 10 rounds.

But no, of course Jake Paul announcing and i'd like to see what some of the reports are on this now did greg i don't know if you're familiar with anthony joshua but i i'm not uh... joking when i said that before tyson fury made his appearance at anthony joshua i thought was going to be the future of the sport. I thought that him and Wilder was going to be a heavyweight fight for the ages and and now it appears that Usyk is an all-timer instead but when I hear that

Jake Paul is fighting Anthony Joshua I'm like that's crazy he's got no chance in that fight like he he's gonna get knocked out he's gonna get, that's crazy. He's got no chance in that fight. Like he's gonna get knocked out, he's gonna get hurt. That's a legitimate heavyweight. He's not even in that weight class. Do we know that this is true or is this something that Jake Paul is hoping is true? Because it seems to me like that would be foolhardy that his money train will end right there

because that is a real professional fighter and he is not. Look I'm not here to speak on whether or not Jake Paul is trolling folks. There were a lot of reports suggesting that Jake Paul and Anthony Joshua were negotiating a fight and then I ordered the USIC fight. Jake Paul was there in attendance and he said no no hearsay this is happening. He confirmed it himself to the cameras. Now it could all be a put on. He's done things like this in the past to promote an HBO Max show with his brother. Remember for a day they had some people fooled saying the Paul brothers would fight one another. I mean, Jake Paul is

not a small dude and he could very certainly get up bulk up to the point that he's a heavyweight but he is not the size of Anthony Joshua and I think more importantly he's not of the skill set. There's a guy who the most recent heavyweight he fought was Mike Tyson at his age. Anthony Joshua, I think they're talking about Wembley, it would be a massive fight. People would be tuning in to see someone that they know is a boxer of repute go up against Jake Paul and not some waterlogged version of that heavyweight fighter. I'm with you. This seems to be the end of things for Jake Paul, but I am more than back in because

I want to see it happen. That is nuts, okay? To fight that person. If you're not familiar with Anthony Joshua, look, he had a couple of setbacks. They've been disappointing. It's beyond him looking the part though. He's an exceptional fighter, and I really did think that a super fight between him and Wilder, for people who love boxing, would have felt like old time heavyweight boxing matters, and then Joshua lost and was exposed, but, and lost to a fat guy, which hurts, right?

It just hurts the reputation when you lose to somebody who's a little sloppy. And you lose. When you're a little guy, which hurts, right? It just hurts the reputation when you lose to somebody who's a little sloppy. And you lose. Yeah. When you're a little sloppy, it hurts. The other thing, too, is you have Jake Paul, and every time that we've seen him fight, it's been against somebody who's not a boxer, right?

Then he graduated from that into water log boxers, as Mike was saying. And then you get to the Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. fight, and you're like, OK, this is a guy that's been dealing with drug and alcohol problems, and he's not at the top of his profession. He's a good name, but like not it got deported days after also. But then you look at Anthony Joshua, right?

Who is a legitimate, probably one of the best boxers on the planet. If we start, you know, divvying up good, really good boxers at the, he's one of the best heavy weights for sure. Yeah. In a sneaky, pretty good era for heavyweights. And what we see, what he did to Francis and Ganu, which was knocked him out in boxing, not MMA, knocked Francis and Ganu out in boxing. And then you see Jake Paul and you're like,

I know Jake Paul is not Francis and Ganu going back to math, right? 10% is more than 9%. I know. I look at Francis and Ganu and then I look at Jake Paul and I'm like, those two guys are not the same. They're not built the same. And Anthony Joshua knocked in Ganu out. So I look at Jake Paul and I'm like, those two guys are not the same. They're not built the same and Anthony Joshua knocked Ingunu out. So I look at Jake Paul and I'm like, does he really have a chance? But he's proven us all wrong the entire way. I'm waiting to see what the catch is for this. I mean, there has to be a catch.

I don't believe it. I mean, okay, Jake Paul said himself, but he says a lot of things. Jake Paul is not a small guy. I know he's ranked at a smaller weight class. I've sat next to the guy. The dude is big, and he can certainly get to heavyweight weight class. He had a faceoff with Usyk, which is kind of ridiculous. I don't know why they're doing that.

You have a guy that's beaten Tyson Fury twice and a guy that lost to his brother. I don't know why we're doing that faceoff, but maybe just for the moment. I'm surprised to hear you say that Jake Paul's career would be over with a loss. I don't think that's the case at all. I think maybe I'm being too cynical. Everybody wants Jake Paul to lose. Everybody's going to be rooting against him. If Joshua wins as expected, immediately Jake Paul's granted a rematch, then it becomes

a best out of three, and then it's just a moneymaker for everybody This is this is a great quote Tyson Fury says Jake Paul is gonna knock out Anthony Joshua I don't know what's going on here. Something's going on here. I Don't think that his career would be over I I think that the money train like the the giant fights would be over if he gets knocked out in the first couple of rounds by Anthony Joshua. Just the giant money train. That's curious because I think that he's finally picking

an opponent where like, yeah, we understand why you lost here. Yeah. And he actually earns something by taking the fight. Oh, but I think- Everyone thinks like- Stepping into the ring is a win. Anthony Joshua, like it's going to make, it's going to be a massive fight, number one.

They're going to clear a lot of money. You're going to have morbid curiosity. You're going to go in there thinking this guy may get pummeled in ways that we've never seen him. And I think everybody would tip their hat, saying, OK, he may be past his prime, but not in the way that Mike Tyson is far from it. This guy is a god-bone of feedings.

No, he's not past his prime. Anthony Joshua, Anthony Joshua is an exceptional fighter and I believe he would embarrass Jake Paul, but I also thought Mike Tyson would hurt Jake Paul. So, and I got that one spectacularly wrong. The things that I don't know about all of this is boxing's a sewer, there's a lot of money to be made. I saw Floyd Mayweather hold up Conor McGregor for a bunch of rounds because he could,

and Anthony Joshua will realize quickly that Jake Paul does not have the skillset so he can let him hang around for a while and just milk the fight to what Tony is saying so that they can have a second one sometime because I think there's very little chance that Jake Paul can actually harm Anthony Joshua even with a surprise punch, even with one surprise punch.

I saw the Logan Paul Mayweather fight and Logan actually performed admirably there. Jake reputed to be the better fighter of the two but also was a pretty good shining example as to why they have weight classes. Not that Floyd was ever this knockout power type of artist better fighter of the two, but also was a pretty good shining example as to why they have weight classes. Not that Floyd was ever this knockout power type of artist, but dude tried and he couldn't put down Logan Paul.

And Logan actually earned a lot by surviving and going in there with a guy that was close to his prime and not getting knocked down. And I think Jake Paul, if he survives it or puts in an admirable showing, gets a few shots in, Money Train keeps going no matter how bad his face looks by the end of it. I also think Jake Paul in that case gets a little credit for fighting a real opponent, the best opponent he's fought, even if he gets his ass kicked frankly. Because then Jake Paul is in a position that he hasn't been in before. He gets to be the underdog, he gets to be the comeback kid, whether he's humbled or

not by losing to Joshua, he gets to be in a position that he hasn't been in before give me another chance. I'm still Jake Paul I want this next one and this segment is exactly why boxing is in a Unique place because we led with Pacquiao at 46 years old We're talking about what admittedly is a very interesting Jake Paul fight with Anthony Joshua But now we're circling back at the end of the segment to a guy that's being called as one of the greatest heavyweights of all time in USIC. A guy that's taken on what I've mentioned is a pretty good generation of heavyweight fighters. Certainly better than the Klitschko era when Klitschko was dominating. You have the Ukraine tie. You

have a guy that if you fight him in a rematch he knows all your tendencies and he's going to make you look absolutely silly. He should be a bigger star. He should be what we lead off with. This is not me. I'm just a casual boxing fan that'll order the occasional big heavyweight fight or other fights that people that know boxing tell me to order. But he is being talked about by guys that know what they're talking about as one of the all-time great pugilists. You say though he should be a bigger star and you'll have a hard time finding foreigners in boxing who are big stars.

The Klichko's dominated the division and have no fame standing in the United States even though Vladimir Klichko was the dominant undefeated heavyweight for like 10 years. The run, go look, you're right that it wasn't a great heavyweight class and he wasn't a fun fighter to watch, but go look at what his record is and how he just plowed through that division and that's the problem. If Yusek was the baddest man in America as the heavyweight,

he would be a bigger star. No doubt. I mean, for someone that does have a language barrier, his English isn't great. He is a charismatic fighter and he is fun to watch. He does have a star quality about him. He does take on all comers. He does take the biggest fights of the generation

and there is always one name standing at the end of it. I'm telling you, he should be in that conversation, not according to me, although every time I watch him, I'm blown away by his talent. Fury seemed like an impossible thing to crack. And he's done it second time, there's rumors that he's gonna do it a third time. This dude is unbelievable,

and it's gonna be really interesting to see where people put him when you get a tree top view on his career. Last six fights, Anthony Joshua twice, Dubois twice, Tyson Fury twice. So it's like you're fighting the best of the best every single year. Go ahead and look up for me though, the stats.

In fact, just I wrote it one time in the Miami Herald, just I don't remember them off the top of my head, but the the glitch goes, don't get enough credit for what they did, even if you think it's a diluted division. But let's just show everybody some B-roll here of Jelly Roll throwing Logan Paul into a desk, please. Let's watch that together.

Slightly fake. Oh, God. Took that bump pretty hard. Yeah, he did. That's a rough-looking bump, actually, there for Logan Paul because, yeah, the table's fake as all hell, but it didn't help him at all cushion that fall. Jelly Roll apparently working really, really hard in the ring with guys like Kevin Owens and the trainers

really embracing this thing. And it's curious because Travis Scott was associated with some of the bigger storylines in WWE, and Triple H kind of took the opportunity to highlight Jelly Roll's commitment and take a shot at Ari's main client, Scott and his level of buy-in. How do you guys have no enthusiasm for Manny Pacquiao at 46 being ahead on all the cards after ten rounds like it's nothing. Then what happened? Yeah that felt like the side

show of all the combat Sport cards this weekend. And PFL, I think, also had a really good one. You had the BMF title on the line, and what many people are saying is the UFC card of the year, one of the greatest UFC cards ever. We said goodbye to a legend. You had that UFC card, plenty of big time favorites, lose, lot of parlay's RIP because of that UFC card.

And you had the heavyweight of his generation put in the work, I guess Manny Pacquiao. I thought got lost in the shuffle, but you were locked in, Dan. I'm guessing that Pacquiao has bigger name than Jusic, even though Pacquiao at this point in his career is fated. Who's Pacquiao for? Like in terms of like boxing, because I feel like trotting Manny Pacquiao out there for a fight is no different than trotting

Jake Paul out there for a fight just on different age Yes Asians to a large degree Filipinos, but I'm saying many Pacquiao then and there it's a it's a huge base It's but it's a nostalgia play right like you're getting in because like look, we have Manny Pacquiao, but that's not that different than Jake Paul. I mean, I guess he's more legitimate because he obviously has the career and he's done it, but it's as real a fight as a Jake Paul fight is.

No. I mean, he's still, he's Manny Pacquiao. At his prime, he was, you know him to be great. We don't know how good Jake Paul is. We don't have, the only frame of references he lost to Tyson Fury's brother. But it's the same trick. It is to a degree. No, it is that. It's just a famous fighter. It's the only reason he's getting a title fight. It's not because he deserves a title fight. It's because he brings pay-per-view money and he brings fans because he has that name, but he also has a boxing record that before that one knockout, he's the opponent that most people in boxing thought could beat Floyd Mayweather.

He was the only one. There was only one that was the one that everyone thought has a chance against Floyd Mayweather. And Floyd, as smart as he is, as you've talked about him, Dan, like the original pay-per-view guy that understood if I sell this fight I'm gonna make more money on the back end and I'm never gonna take damage because I'm such a good defensive fighter He knew Pacquiao may have given him trouble Which is why he dragged on so long to fight him and then all of a sudden when Pacquiao finally fought Floyd Mayweather The shell of what he was and it's like, okay cool. I'll just sit back here. Jack. That's so boring

I fight it was I watched that fight and I spilled. Everybody did, that's why. I want Conor McGregor to fight him again. That fight was more exciting. Put on the poll, which was more fighting, Conor versus Floyd or Manny Pacquiao versus Floyd? It was Conor. Dan, I know you were locked in on Pacquiao, I know you were locked in on Usyk.

Dustin Poirier bringing the UFC to Louisiana. I don't know if they've ever done a card there. Imagine the cache, imagine the love that you have worldwide company wide for you to bring a pay-per-view numbered pay-per-view card to Louisiana for your last dance fought max Holloway in the trilogy and It got to me it got me a second when when he went out there and put the gloves on they played the video tribute I was just like damn one of the good guys I think I do you have anything bad to say about Dustin Pory like he's a guy that is Community driven family driven like great fighter has fought

I'm gonna read you some of the names in his generation that he's fought max Holloway three times McGregor three times three times Justin Gachey Eddie Alvarez Islam Akasha Korean zombie Charles Oliva Michael Chandler like he's fought the best of the best in his generation and now he calls it quits puts the gloves on the canvas An emotional time for me on the MMA hangout Daniel. He'll be back. No, he won't they're always back. No I thought I knew you were gonna say that when I was walking He'll be back preparing something for Justin poor, you know, he'll be back. He's not gonna be back. Yeah, this is this is one That's forever. There's always a price always Tyson fought fights at 58 back. He'll yo fights at 46 nobody ever retires in that sport he'll be back they really undercut you there Tony you're your expert you're the one who's drawing big

numbers on all these MMA hangouts I think I would have trouble getting Greg Cody to name three mixed martial artists all time? I think that might be hard for him. I think Greg's got it. No, you got it. You think you can do three, five? What's the most you could do? If I ask you to just name MMA fighters? All time, I could do 10 or 12. Easy. MMA fighters? Okay. I'm not going to take a quiz. He's not here for a quiz. We've got 10 seconds. We've got 10 seconds left. You can name three instead of 10 if you want. Five seconds. I will say Dustin, whatever his last name was, we'll come back Jack

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