The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Biiiiiiiiiiiiig Joe Harper

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

After going through a series of events Dan and the crew needed to promote, we take a look "Behind the Bit" at Stugotz's first lie detector test with Big Joe Harper. Then, does every team in the NFL besides the Panthers and Patriots have a chance to win? And after DeAndre Hopkins was dealt, could Cooper Kupp be next? Plus Sarah Spain is here to dish out some rulings as the commish as we go through this week's Bucket of Death, but first, she chats with Dan about her interview with Christine Brennan and the current male backlash against women masking support for Donald Trump. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The Smyrnof Company, New York, New York. Stugatz wants to make Belichick a physical prop in these games where you just put him in a hermetically sealed cage on the sidelines. Oh, I'm in on this. Loser gets Bella Check. Oh, wow. That wouldn't be this weekend, because I don't think Kyle Shanahan is going

to be fired by anybody except God bless football. He should be. Billy and Stugat, I believe they are leading what is not a very crowded national train on thinking Kyle Shanahan isn't very good at his job. I'm not even certain Billy thinks that. I don't know what I'm getting lumped into. I'm sorry about that Billy. He has no business. Like if he loses this game to Dallas, he should be fired and they should consider Bill Belichick. Dan, you are amazed. Eight times Super Bowl

champion, six as a head coach, two times as a coordinator for the Giants. They should change the name. I was thinking about this, seriously, on the golf course, on a gummy. I was thinking about this. They should change the name from the Lombardi Trophy to the

Belichick Trophy. How about that? Seriously. Right? What hole were you on? Four. And how many milligrams? Bahala.

Forty. Oh, no. Good God. Oh, good God is right. Yeah. How about that? You're still alive. That's a game you try to lose, right? If you get Belichick, if that's the prize, right?

You try to lose that game. You can have him right now and win the game. And not go through with the stuff about losing the game. That's an observation only Sugats can make. and not go through with the stuff about losing the game. That's an observation only Sugats can make. If you're a fan of his observations, guess what? We have a cool little contest going on with our partners over at DraftKings and Miller Lite. Go to DraftKings.com and you can make guesses

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Get out of here. Yes, so make sure you guys enter because the pool closes Tuesday morning at 9 a.m. for the observation segment on October 29th. Since we're promoting things Mike just give people all of the information that they... I don't know if Supergots will be in on that day. I just asked Mike if I am in on that day. I have no idea. He was just learning about it now. I just learned that I have a watch party I've got to put in the calendar at Flanagan's because you're informing me of this for the first time.

But because these are valuable things, when we were doing things like this at ESPN, people were paying $30,000 and $35,000 that went to the Jimmy V Foundation. Tell the people again, because Miller Lite has been a very good sponsor here. All of the information that they need to have about winning something that people would like that includes a bit of a gambling element on the show and weekend observations. Why is Billy making faces as if his face hurt? I'm just learning things, it's fine. Not for rare. You're learning, well can you tell me if Sugatsa's gonna be

in that too? I don't, I don't. Observations that I need him. I set the schedule, I did. I mean, give me some credit. I am looking at this for the first time. Mike, any more information on how people can sign up for this?

Yeah, go to DraftKings.com and look out for it. And on my social channels and Leptard Show social channels will put out more information. It's really cool, Dan, because I was asked some questions about how to do this. And so the people will be able to guess on a weekly basis who was back this week. You know? OK. So so if it started this week the obvious choice would have been you you're back you were gone for 10 days and I had you as being back you know so you

should make these harder you should make you should be a little unpredictable here to see how interesting you can make the betting never know who's gonna be back and you not get his brain going there because this can be a rigged competition if you are inherently evil or sinister or looking for an angle. And Sugatsa is at least two of those three. Thank you, Mike. So I was thinking because, Dan, there are always multiple people who could be back this week.

It could have been Russell Wilson. It could have been the NBA. I want you. I mean, so I mean, I want you. I don't think a lot of people would have guessed that, to be honest. But what Mike Ryan is saying, saying though is that we might have a situation like the one in the NBA where Porter gets gonged for betting his own prop bet. What Mike is saying is that Stu Gutz can make this so obscure that

he's winning the watch party so gee he just doesn't have to come to it. I would say if I were to handicap it, right now the odds on favorite to win this is Taylor. Yeah, that's probably not right. At that point, the contest is over because I don't want to hang out with Taylor at a Flanagan's. Right, but Dan's got me thinking, can I bet on this? Since you were mentioning though,

things that we're promoting, we have another documentary coming out now on Netflix today, The Comeback. It's getting very good reviews, the 2004 Boston Red Sox. So that's on Netflix tonight if you'd like to enjoy. It's a three-part docu-series if you'd like to enjoy reliving Boston's best sports moment, which I just view as one of New York's worst. That's the reason we made the documentary as a company. Let's celebrate one of the worst moments in New York sports history.

Since we're doing 20 years of nostalgia around here, let's go behind the bit here. It's something that we're doing every week around here and every other week around here. Mike Ryan is working hard on an oral history that releases on Fridays. But this bit right here is the lie detector bit. Big Joe Harper made his first appearance on the show. We decided it'll be self-explanatory, but to finally pin, this

was a surprise to Stugatz as I recall, we're going to pin him down on some of his lies. This is behind the bit. This is behind the bit. This is behind the bit. We take you back to a better time in the show's history, a time, at least for me, where I was happiest because we were at ESPN. ["Spring Day"] Joe Harper is here. He's got a bullet in his neck.

Dugatsi is strapped up to, he's got things around his chest. He's got a blood pressure machine around his arm. He's got sensors on his fingers. Joe's got a blood pressure machine around his arm. He's got sensors on his fingers. Joe, give us an update on what it is, all this stuff that is on Stugatz. What's it measuring? Attachments on the chest.

Those are to measure respiration. Okay. While you're breathing and when someone lies, all the smooth muscles around the lungs and the heart contract. Big Joe Harper! What has he ever done? Stu Gott's thought he could outsmart the lie detector. Not Joe Harper, the machine. And his lies ended up getting worse. Why were you bald? Had you been Paul Feinbaum like the day before?

I had lost some sort of bet that you got me kind of entangled in that had nothing to do with me. It was like a bet with like you and Golick, I think. Oh no, that was Golick when he massaged my ass. Anyway, I'm sorry. No, it didn't have anything to do with me. It was another bet. I was bald.

I think it was the Finebomb. I look better bald. I look younger. I sound better. I look healthier. It is weird. You look so much healthier there. God, I mean, that guy is hot.

Yes, no less repugnant, but healthier. Thank you, Dan. What was the worst lie detector test result that Joe Harper ever saw and was too worse? Well, first off, for the record, okay, that lie detector machine is faulty. I will tell you that right now. Because I did drink that shot in college and I did not fart that day in the studio It was him. Okay. There we go. And so there we go. So years after the lie detection You didn't answer her question. No, she asked what do you remember from the lies that he doesn't remember his lies

the one that hurts the most is Joe Harper recently asked me if I was okay with Pablo Tore being hired by metal art media So you got to you happy Pablo works here? Excellent question Holy shit what a grenade you threw into the room. It's a good one though Hmm No into the room. It's a good one though. No. Well, he kind of. He's truthful on it. I didn't realize it until I was asked. I mean, I didn't really thought about it. Now that I'm thinking about it. No, I mean, this is chairs around here. I don't know when to come in, when not to come in.

And I am OK with Pablo being well, I'm not, but he's not. You know what? Forget it. Forget it. It was I'm lying. I'm about to lie. We're talking about the lie detector test. I mean, he did not like that Joe Harper cornered him. I'm not liking it. Pablo Torre was like, put me in a bad spot. I mean,

dad, what's the best lie Stu ever told you? Oh, so many. I mean, the best lie. Good God, it's a library. It's a labyrinth. Where help me out here. Is there a best lie? I mean, they're probably the one he doesn't know about. The one that Mike Ryan is perpetually saying that the most honest relationship he has is to God's because he knows he's always lying to ask me, which is the best of his lies asks me to recall everything he's ever said the better question is has there been in that mountain of bullshit ever a truth told I did

fart in the studio a better question I did not fart it was was silent but deadly. He didn't realize it. Oh, look at that. Joe Harper says that it was silent but deadly. I did not fart. Lie? Lie? Oh, come on, Stugatz. I farted in the studio. Big lie. You seemed more surprised what he told the truth.

Is that- I'm usually expecting that most of what he says, you have to understand this about Stugatz. It is an absolute truth, one of the few about Stugatz, that he's not feeling truly alive unless he's pulling off some sort of scam. He knows me. Some sort of, he's less alive.

It's a duller state of existence to not be trying to get over on somebody. If I could explain myself for a second, I lie because I don't like to be left out of things, okay? So, if people are talking about a movie, I want to be involved in that conversation and I could fake my way through any single movie. So, I just tell people I've seen the movie because who wants to be left out of conversations? That's the reason he lies.

Yes, yes. Not for great gain, not general greed, not to have more things come his way. I just want to be involved in conversations. Just to talk about movies with you. Ha ha ha ha ha. Stu, was it really stressful being hooked up to that lie detector? Well, he seemed pretty confident.

I gotta be honest, this made me learn something about just general, dishonest criminal behavior. No, he's totally comfortable sitting in the weight of that. So comfortable. I'm fighting with Joe Harper and the lie detector. Yeah. Because they're lying. Still thinks they're wrong. Would you ask me that again with my hand on the table, Joe?

Because my hand, my full hand is on the table. And you told me it was important before we started. Oh, God. To have all fingers on the table and now they are. Dan, do you ever lie and would you pass the lie detector down? I mean, I'm not going to say that I'm an absolute truth teller, but I think in our general environment, I'm less likely to lie than the average person.

Is that fair? Less likely? I mean, I don't think you've ever told me a lie. I mean, I try not to. I feel like you've never told me. One of our many weirdnesses that we have in this lovable relationship that has a lot of conflict in it is that we are very different in a couple of different places,

and this is one of them. Telling the truth? Yes, I try to tell the truth, yes, and he does not. Well, I try. No, he doesn't, that's the thing. He has resigned himself to the failure. He's ceased trying. Stu, who's the second best liar in the container after you?

Oh, that's a great question, Mike Ryan. Really? I didn't have to think long about that. Really? That's not such a great question. I just think, listen, everyone lies, OK? Even Dan, even that lie detector, even Joe Harper. Everyone tells, you know, a little fib every now and again.

I would say Chris Cody falls more into my category where they're kind of benign lies, they're just lies because he wants to be involved in the conversation. Mike has more serious issues to deal with. He's corporate now. Wow. And I feel like corporate doesn't always tell the truth. You know?

Wow, so you've got Mike lying about more meaningful things than the things you lie about. You just lie to fit in about movies. I lie about both Durham. Mike's telling giant corporate lies. Yeah, well, he's a giant corporate executive. Wow. And what do executives do?

Lies. Shocking accusation. I was one, I lied. I miss ESPN. I miss it so much. I don't think I miss it at all. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know. They caught him off mic. It's like that Robert Dyrsk character in the Jinx who gives away spoiler alert the entire movie at the end by forgetting he's got his audio still on. I was really torn on who to choose there. It's not Roy. Roy doesn't lie. Billy doesn't lie to me.

I had to go Mike. I didn't know where else to go. I had to choose somebody. And so I went with Mike. I would have gone Jeremy. Well, it's the 20th anniversary. I was trying to do core crew here. I had to make a choice.

My choice was Mike. I'm certain he's not happy about it So I'm sorry Mike It's Chris Hey, you're not sorry. It's Chris and and it's like not painful lies It's like hey Chris did you did you get that thing that I sent you? Yeah, and he doesn't know what I'm talking about But he'll just nod his head. Yes. Yes. Hey, did you edit that thing? Definitely? And then you have to like follow up a couple of times,

so a little white lies. Taught him well. Lies to fit in? Lies. Just trying to fit with the crew? It's lies not just to fit in, but to get the questions to go away. I mean, that's...

Yeah, he tries to hold you at bay, but he's gotta tell. His face kinda changes, and he just does kinda like, his brows get like, yeah, I did that. And he knows for a tell his face kind of changes and he just like does kind of like his brows get like yeah I did that and he knows for a fact. He didn't do that. You walk away saying there's no way he did it. I know I Want I would rather him tell me like if he said no, I didn't do that. I'd be like, oh, there's a chance Hey everyone, it's Mike Ryan you hear that that is That is the sound of me cracking open an ice cold Miller Lite.

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That's not bad, man. Finally. Not terrible. Pretty good. Stu Gatz. Yours is terrible. just got to get a little redder little pinker right there man yours is not that you're biting what do you mean that's not terrible come together little there. A little George Bush in that one. This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats. I would like to talk some NFL transactions with you guys because I've told you that the Chiefs Statistically if you didn't know any better would have a quarterback problem as the undefeated team in the league

They've got a quarterback who statistically is in the mid-20s and is losing the football like on just throwing the ball downfield Their offense is terrible. So they trade for Deandre Hopkins because they don't want to Pay part of Cooper Cup salary or the cost of going with higher draft picks. I don't know, I mean Deandre Hopkins it seemed to me a couple of years ago was having a hard time finding anyone who wanted to still take him in the league. He had a good year last year. He had over a thousand yards, he had 75 catches, he had seven or eight touchdowns and that was on the Titans. I agree. I was surprised to hear those numbers. I was not because they were a very bad offense that needed to target somebody and somehow after nobody wanting him in the offseason

he was the most targeted guy and he was getting open enough because he never drops the ball. But I don't think that that solves much of anything in Kansas City and more interesting to me was the idea of Cooper Cup being available as Diana Rusini reported pretty casually that the Chiefs had an interest there as well yesterday. She broke that news and I don't know what state of health Cooper Cup is,

but there is one Cooper Cup season that I look at that looks like about as good a season as a wide receiver has ever had. Like the Brady Anderson season. And so what is Cooper Cup worth in a market where Devontae Adams goes for a second round pick? You guys think he had like a season like that that was an outlier?

I think you can make a pretty solid argument he's all-famer. Oh, well, he had three seasons where they were amazing seasons that helped make McBey who he is but there's there's one season above all else where they're throwing no look passes to him and he's a champion in the Super Bowl and they've got no other healthy receivers and everyone knows the balls coming to him and you can't double cover him you can't do anything you're talking about the season he had a hundred and forty five catches he's

never had more than a hundred in any other season that's the season he had 145 catches. He's never had more than 100 in any other season. That's the season you're talking about. He had 1,900 yards, he had 16 touchdowns. He was great, he was great, he is great. The Super Bowl that they won was unbelievable on that final drive because everybody on the planet knew where those passes were going. It didn't matter, he would make the plays.

He's pretty unstoppable when healthy, from precise route running to ball winning to just a complete game, being able to block in that system. pretty unstoppable when healthy from precise route running to ball winning to just a complete game being able to block in that system he is just an unbelievable player it's kind of heartbreaking to see how many injuries that he's run into he's been pretty vocal in blaming artificial turf about his injuries so at the very least if he does get moved I hope he goes to a natural crash stadium I don't know how you guys feel about football generally half a

season in a whole lot of injuries and when I saw Higbee I told you guys this last season being folded over as their tight end working in tight spaces and seams and taking these monster hits what that offense has done to the bodies of Pukinokua and Cooper Cup from afar I'm like oh my god that usage rate is going to burn up whatever their prime is faster than the average human beings because their bodies are all gonna start falling apart. Sean McVeigh receivers have to play a physical style of football and I don't know how much their downfield blocking has to do with some of their injuries, how active they are in some of the outside runs.

Maybe that has something to do with it. A lot of people hold Pukka Nakua's production against Cooper Cup. But we have to remember, Cooper Cup has gone out of that lineup several times, one time completely undoing their season. You have to remember, he also had plenty of great moments. We mentioned the Super Bowl. How about the NFC playoff game

against Tom Brady where Tom Brady does not have a good team that should be hanging with them and he starts making all the plays and then we all know where the ball is going. Matthew Stafford, Downfield, Cooper Cup ends that story for Tom Brady. I have all the respect in the world for Cooper Cup and I really am am bummed that he's run into so many injuries and I hope he has an opportunity to show that he's not a product of that system, that he can go to another team, preferably a team with a really good system because man, Kansas City would have been awesome if you were a Cooper Cup fan.

Are you guys surprised that the Rams were unwilling to pay that salary? The Rams are in a tricky spot because they still have a chance, they do, that division is lousy and they still have a chance. Oh, but it's not a real chance. Yeah, but they get Puka back and now they're talking about trading Stafford. They're in a weird spot, especially with their head coach. But Diana said that the Rams were willing to take on some of Cubs' salary. The Chiefs were difficult to deal with in that they don't really have a lot of flexibility on the roster because of their all-world quarterback

and the contracts that they dished out there. I would have loved them to go to Kansas City. It's a shame they couldn't make it work. I'm skeptical, but I kind of feel like they have the quarterback that can make anybody good. I'm being made crazy, though, by Stugatz's ability, not incorrect, to say everybody but the Panthers have a chance. Everybody but the Panthers and the Patriots have a chance because it's just bodies stacked up all over each other at Everywhere between two and five and four and three but the Niners in that division are not as dominant as everyone thought they were going To be so they're sitting at three and four the Seahawks are four and three. Stugats, Stugats, Stugats

Just for a second. Okay The Rams have a chance of winning the Super Bowl this year? Yeah, just yes or no question. No. Okay, but Sean McVay doesn't think that way. There is more than just winning the Super Bowl. If you make it to a conference championship game, like that's a good season for everyone. I'm simply saying that whatever it is that you view as the playoff standard is also something that I will very easily use against Mike McDaniel and the Dolphins when they get to the playoffs and then immediately lose by 20 points and the season wasn't much better than not even getting to the playoffs.

I took a Rams preseason NFC ticket. Ah, little flyer. Because I thought if they hung around Aaron Donald might realize, all right, I'll come back for one final run here somehow. But if you would recall, Sunday Night Football, week one, Rams at Lions. Lions, I think everybody would concede one of the favorites inside that conference. Rams went toe to toe with them.

That was when they were at their healthiest. They had Pukkin Cup for that game. Stafford made one bad mistake in that game. Lions ended up winning, but it kind of played out. Like, I think the Rams Rams because of their coaching, because of the talent they saw on the roster can hang and they've just been totally undone by injury. They beat San Francisco when San Francisco was healthy. I mean,

don't you guys do though, just when, when Mike Ryan says totally undone by injuries, like, isn't that everybody every season? Did you, are you guys not noticing already that Patrick Mahomes moves a lot slower than he did three years ago? Not that he's ever seemed terribly fast, but are you not noticing that whatever happened to his toe there, Patrick Mahomes can't move? He's not that old.

He cannot move already the way that he used to move. It's not him. The game has slowed down for him. He's mastered it. I mean,'s you see that run last week it was incredible. I mean he's bailing them out. He bailed them out with that athleticism. I'm most curious to see how any quarterback ages in the NFL because of the impossible standard that Brady had. Mahomes is always going to be compared to Brady but is Mahomes going to do the things to his body that Brady put

it through. Brady wasn't this physical specimen, but pliability and nutrition. He really cared. Mahomes isn't a body guy. Mahomes is like, yeah, let me chug this beer and throw it downfield 80 yards and try to stop me if I roll out of the pocket. How is that going to look like when he gets to your mid-30s? Billy, I was surprised earlier in the show that when Mike Ryan went hard on the idea that get Tampa some weapons so that Baker Mayfield's season can be salvaged in Tampa with his receivers all hurt because everybody is injured. I thought for sure you were

gonna take that window to ransack Baker Mayfield. Why? I mean he's been good this year. He just he's lost all his weapons. Like he didn't I mean Monday he didn't look good like don't let the stats fool you he looked pretty bad for the first half He was making bad passes He was overthrowing people's throwing interceptions like he didn't look like the MVP Candidate that we thought he looked like earlier in the season at the end the numbers were there because it was you know garbage time yards They got an onside kick, and he was just chucking it away But like he was making bad decisions early on but like he I I think they're in trouble like depending on how serious the injuries are the Bucks are in

trouble I would have argued that that was one of the good teams in the league two games ago but you take away two of their receivers and all of a sudden all of that is gonna get constipated in a league where every Sunday I tune in and there's somebody out there being CJ Stroud 10 for 21 84 yards. Baker's got some ferv to him he made a terrible interception in the end zone that you just can't make but what I will say is he made that interception after Mike Evans simply dropped a touchdown pass in which also was especially devastating to not just their chances of winning that game, but to their season, because Evans re-aggravates a hamstring

injury and goes out. There was a 14-point swing on one pass that hit Mike Evans on the hands. They were up 10-7. They could have been up 17-7. The good thing and bad thing about Baker, and this is going to sound worse than I intended to, is he doesn't learn. He has a short memory, and he'll make mistakes and that's not gonna scare him away from Trying to make the same place again, which is what's good about it

By the way the Godwin injury is worse than the Mike edward one thousand No, not in terms of severity, but in terms of value to the Bucks like that's their number one He does so many things for them. Godwin's a brilliant player. That stinks. The only way to replace him is Cooper Cup, which is why he needs to go to Tampa sideways ankle. Ladies and gentlemen, the NBA is finally back and a new season means new ways to get into the action at DraftKings Sportsbook. An official sports betting partner of the NBA who's draining threes from beyond

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I don't know. I don't know. I don't love what's happening right now with me and Sarah Spain. I'm doing sort of a mental association where I'm generally happy to see her. But now when she's here, I know that she brings that bucket with her. She brings pain. I see her and I'm like, oh no, this this damn thing again. So we'll get to it in a second. I will remind the people good game with Sarah Spain is the name of the podcast. It's a one-stop shop for the biggest stories in women's sports. What are you burning on right now?

I thought you did both some good journalism and some important stuff with Christine Brennan the other day, a real pioneer in our industry, both of you really, but Christine sounded outdated to me in ways that bummed me out because things have just sort of modernized and she's become somebody who's done it her way

and done it very well for a long time and wasn't hearing the ways that she has aged out on some stuff that has changed just societally that you've been covering very well over the last 15 years. And welcome, by the way, Kamish. Thank you, thank you. I do recognize the look in your eye. It's like my husband when he sees me coming.

It's like, oh, I should feel different things, but pain is on the horizon. Yeah, I actually was bummed out by Christine too. I've had her on my shows on ESPN for years, and she is usually so righteous in her fights against things like the NFL's handling of domestic violence or sexual assault or things like that. And I think, unfortunately, when you have too many decades of being on the righteous side of things, you might start to hear all

criticism as coming from the same place where I'm just going to push through and do the work and ask the hard questions. And in this case, it wasn't necessarily about the question so much as about the context in which she was asking them and needing to really understand the space of the W to do the work well. And that's why it's so important to have shows and folks that are covering it all the time and are really deeply invested in it because it is a different space.

And it is dangerous actually for players to come in and parachute in without having done the work to understand how what you're covering and how you're talking about things might affect them. For the record, Christine Brennan, a very accomplished journalist, is writing a book on Caitlin Clark and the division and the controversy and the thing that you learned from all of this was what as she walked into a locker room and the black women didn't like her line of questioning and with good reason. Yeah, I mean I essentially think it's the same thing that's

plagued the W for years, but writ large because of the arrival of Caitlin Clark. There's a lot of misogyny, misogynoir. There's a lot of homophobia. There's a lot of sponsorships that have always gone to these like aesthetically palatable white girls, as opposed to the masculine leaning players or the women of color or the women who are out lesbians.

And there's been a sort of safety in the space that's grown over the years of the league really being so pulled together that they pushed back on that and created something very special. And when Caitlin Clark arrived, it was like, oh, some more eyeballs, more people, more attendance, all the great things.

But people were using Caitlin Clark as an avatar to further social issues that she wasn't even speaking on. They were assigning her the space of white savior, and then they were aligning all of the black players, particularly physical players, as sort of like taking it out on her, being jealous, creating cat fights, and they created a division that has resulted

in actual death threats for players, that has resulted in black players in the league feeling unsafe, which is such a bummer because it's like everyone forgot everything they knew about sports in order to talk about the W this year. There were actual former NBA players saying that the current player should take it easy on Caitlin Clark and let her be successful at the beginning because it would be good for the league.

It's like in what universe has that ever been how sports are played? Or they would hear Diana Taurasi saying like, oh, she's gonna have a wake up call when she gets to the pros. And say that was her mistreating Caitlin Clark. As if we haven't heard every single veteran ever say, you know, a rookie's gonna get what's coming to them. It was so strange. It was genuinely, if it weren't so infuriating,

it would be funny how people just forgot that this was sports. It's a weirdly infantilizing thing that I don't totally understand, but I've always found you to be super astute on the heavier societal stuff. So I will ask you just as we head into these next three weeks here that are gonna be pretty awful,

you have anything for me on helping me understand what is happening in this country with men against women or just the division that uh that makes it so that there's some real uh woman hating going on and still makes this election somehow plausibly close? Uh the best thing I read during the last um first Trump run for president was about the idea that when there's major progressive and social issues that move forward, there is an inevitable backlash, a two steps forward, one step backlash is what they described it as. And it's happened over the time, over the course of history in major ways in a result

to civil rights activism and in a result to women gaining the vote, all these different things. And I think when you are in power and have always been in power, as men have in a patriarchy, you fear women getting any sort of agency or voice as something that will require you to change your behaviors and or give up some of your power. And so the response to women going to college more, making more money, handling more of the household income, all of these different things, and wanting more for themselves, sometimes by not choosing to marry men or signing up for

partnerships that aren't equal, has made a lot of men afraid of what the future might look like for them, especially in terms of the way their behaviors might have to change. There's this constant storyline about the male epidemic of loneliness, but all of the numbers and research actually point to a pretty equal idea of loneliness between men and women, sometimes women even more. But men complain about it more because they are not used to not being taken care of. And they are not used to having to address the way that they behave with women as something that we will react to and care about, right?

It's always when we couldn't get our own credit cards or pay our own bills or get our own jobs, we were sort of reliant on men. And as that continues to progress in the other direction, there's a shift in power. And I think there's an inevitable response to that, which is we hate women as opposed to, hey, cool cool let's see what this looks like when we're all just human beings operating together. I love Sarah as a woman and a human being not as the Commissioner of the Bucket of Death, however, go ahead and play the music. Different person. Yes, totally different person. We begin with Mike Ryan. Mike Ryan is picking from the bucket. Do we have any

controversies to present the commission and think only Billy has? I haven't seen a whole lot of people dressing up around here. That's correct, Commission. I don't know if you heard, but I paid off a punishment this week. No controversies, but an interesting note, no buys this week. 20 out of 21 years there have been straight weeks with buys. Last year, week 8, there was no buy this year The NFL is following student keeping the no buys we gate also no buys week 13 because it's Thanksgiving week What do you have there Carolina Panthers that's going back Plus nine at the Broncos

Got the swap helmet so let me pick another That's a bad bet. That and the Patriots, the worst things in that. Got the swap helmet, so let me pick another helmet to establish what I might be swapping. I have the golden helmet of life. Are you allowed to take that from me? No. You got a last wig. I have the Bengals. Take them. Hosting the Steelers. The Bengals are a three point favorite at home against the Eagles.

That was week 13. Why are you on week 13, man? I was confirming my week 13 stat of no bias. I wouldn't be bummed out if I pulled the Bengals initially, but let's see how this plays out, because I might swap. Okay. Is it a special time for the Reaper? I wonder, are you extra busy right now,

heading into Halloween? The Reaper's awfully small today, physically small. I know, very small. Also huge. Yes, and the commission knows the Reaper cannot respond. Right, right, right. I was wondering if you noticed that he was booked and busy. I have the Raiders who are hosting the Chiefs.

Oh, wow. 10-point dog at home. Yeah, I'm gonna put that one back. Yep. Boy, we are pulling some garbage out of there. I think I like the points on that one perfect. John Poynting, who's now a brunette, says he still follows the Raiders. I

Got the Eagles. Oh wow Bengals allegedly if I've got the right skin you have it right? Yeah, we gave those two going down three-point underdog at the Bengals The Bengals lost to the Patriots this year. I want you to think about that for a second Roy. What do you got? Fine bucket no this year at home, I want you to think about that for a second. Roy, what do you got? Uh, fine bucket. No. Ooh! No.

No. Isn't that instant death? I think that's instant death. It is instant death. No, I'll be choosing. I think it's instant death. If he doesn't put it back. If he... yeah, you can put it back.

Yeah, I'm putting it back. Yeah, that's not happening. That's smart. How much money's in there? I don't know. Oh, God. There's a few dollars right here. What'd you get? What'd you get? The rams.

I got the rams. Hey, they're still alive in there. Yeah, they are a few dollars right here. What'd you get? They're at home against the Vikings there two and a half Could be Sam Dornel that quarterback Basically it was instant death Billy's gonna look in the see how much Roy just passed up on it could be Stafford playing quarterback for the Vikings And Darno playing for the Rams. We don't know if that report is true or not. That was just a rumor. The Big Apple. We talked about it for 10 minutes. You can get the Yankees, Chris. No, I'll go, actually, right here. I'll go Jets against the Patriots, minus 7.

Couldn't you go Bills there if it's in New York? Yup. Yeah, because everyone calls Buffalo the Big Apple. Jets are minus 7. I'll take the Jets. You can take Army. Who's at Seattle? I've got Titans at Bills. Do I have the wrong... Buffalo the Big Apple You can take army Who's at Seattle? I've got Titans at bills. Do I have the wrong? I've got Titans I've got a list here that has the Titans playing the Lions and the bills. It's gonna be tough for them the rare

They have a doubleheader How is this such a bad point spreadsheet possible Fashion typo Dan Oh Are the type playing the Lions minus 11 or are they playing the bills minus nine and a half the bills are at Seattle You just print out a sheet I'm now too confused to know who I can potentially swap for. The Titans are playing the Lions. At Detroit. They're playing the commanders week 13. Someone play the John Kelly clip. Oh my god this is truly a mess. Play the fascism clip. Play the fascism clip. Golden

Helmet of Life why is it in there? I thought it was... Swabbing it! I'm putting it back. I thought it wasn't supposed to be in there. Putting it back, that's the strategy. The Golden Helmet of Life. The uh... The Golden Helmet of Life. The Golden Helmet of Life. So guys, who can trust me?

Putting it back. I'm not a liar. The fine bucket had $30 plus a $10 IOU from Jeremy God I got the Carolina Panthers. Oh, no Oh, no, I put it back The golden helmet rule you put it back twice you get an extra back your plus nine Not true. Well, you just screwed yourself You could have had the bangles But you were so intent to screw over Mike Ryan that you put back the golden helmet of life and you got what you deserve

Who does Carolina play? Does not matter the Broncos they're also playing the Titans. How about week 13? I like having Sarah here to make instant rulings that makes Dugan stop slippery. He stops all of slithering when Sarah's here. I'm gonna keep the Bengals. Good Game is the name of the podcast. Again, like I said, she's covering it's a one-stop shop. Biggest stories in women's sports. Nice seeing you, sort of, Sarah. Thank you for being on with us. Always nice seeing you guys. Ha ha ha. This is just ridiculous. What do you mean? Just a mess.

Just a mess. A total mess. The whole show. I asked for the fascism clip, and they put Mad Dog on the screen. I asked for the fascism clip, and they put that guy who was fighting for Otani's ball at the bottom of the stadium. Ha ha ha. I don't want to say drought. That's not fair. Hey, everyone. It's Mike Ryan. and clip and they put that guy who was fighting for Otani's ball at the bottom of the stadium.

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