The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Can We Talk About Succession?

Episode Date: May 31, 2023

Anthony Duclair of the Florida Panthers joins the show ahead of the Stanley Cup to discuss his physical and emotional journey to this moment, the best moments of the season and postseason, and to critique Jessica's French. Then, Dan (with minimal spoilers) wants to know the spoiler rules of what he is and isn't allowed to discuss regarding the Succession finale. And in our final segment, Dan and the crew (with maximum spoilers) discuss the Succession finale. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. This is the Don Levertor Show with the Stugat's Podcast. Damn, we'll start the interview. It's Anthony Duclair. The interview has already started. Well, okay. The interview Duc, I love you. Yes, just so you know, I love you. Is that a question? Yeah, Duke first question. I love you. Every Too, man. Yeah Just like Lambert great answer. Yeah

These are my guys game one is Saturday night 8 p.m. He's a cool story. They're a cool story. I don't understand how any of this is happening. I'm confused because it is super strange to have the most exciting offense in the history of the league during the regular season and then say, you know what, never mind about that. Let's play totally differently. Don't want to play that exciting way anymore. When we're down three to nothing, then we win seven to three. Not going to do that anymore. Gonna grind it out. Gonna do it with people who are coming off of Killie's tears and who are just going to tough and dirty and annoy you to death. Gonna do it with guts and grit dance. And a hot keeper. That always helps. It always helps to have a guy who is stopping anything. So thank you for joining us Anthony. Can you

do? I was like the only person to do that. You're the only person to do that. Can you tell us some of the more emotional snapshots that you have in your mind as you remember the run of a lifetime here because I maybe you guys expected this, but they have to have a bunch of stuff in it that stands out for you because of how hard it is to climb in this sport during this time of year. Yeah, I mean, for me, it's, you know, it goes to a start, you know, Boston series, you know, just being the best team ever. I think that's where our confidence came, you know, throughout the whole playoffs. I mean, I think you look back at the save Bob made. They was game five there with Mark Shops coming up, you know, a couple

seconds left and then he saves them and Chuck he ends it in OT and I think from there, boys really, you know, just believed in ourselves that we're gonna win there. That game at home and then game sevens as a history from there and then, you know, just being that team and then moving on to the second round I think there was no doubt in that locker room that we were gonna get it done and I would say the same thing with Carolina So we're just a really confident team right now and it's just been a joy and it's been unbelievable right? Did you expect this though? Did you guys expect this? I mean you go in there every season, you know, expecting the win.

So, you know, I would say, you know, back in December, January, I think our minds were kind of like everybody where, you know, we didn't really know what was going to happen. But, you know, I think, you know, even, you know, our playoffs started, I would say, a month before, playoffs even started. Just the way we were playing, the way we were confident, we knew we were a good team. I mean, we're only one year removed from Presence Cup trophy.

So for us, we knew we were a good team and we don't really view ourselves as a eight seed. So I think anything is possible at that point. But if I come to you, you say no doubt and whatnot. But if I come to you seven you say no doubt and whatnot. But if I come to you seven games before the regular season is over when you're changing goalies because they don't seem to trust Bobrabski. And I say to you, where's this going to end up? Your response to me is not going to have any doubt in it. Honestly, I wouldn't say that. I would just say that we're a confident group

and we can achieve a lot of things, even back then, to be honest. When you were a good team, even when I came back, like, I look at our lineup, like, we got a really good team, so I can't tell you what a told you would be in the finals against Vegas, but at the same time, I can definitely tell you anything that could happen, that's for sure. What felt better to you but at the same time, I can definitely tell you anything can happen. That's for sure.

What felt better to you winning at the end of four over times, winning with three seconds left or ending Boston season in Boston? And there are all special moments, different excitements, but I mean, Chuck, he's goal, I would say a couple of seconds left to win it, to go to the finals. That's a dream come true, to be honest. You know, you kind of envisioned that moment growing up about a million times, you know, I headed to a stand-up finals and for that to actually happen, right in front of our eyes, it's just been unbelievable. But you know, all those moments you described there

was just really exciting moments. And you know, everybody was just so happy for each other and just just excited. Wrong, the correct answer is ending Boston season in Boston is the correct answer. If you're telling him how to answer your question, that is a walk-up to send you to the Stanley Cup finals. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no postseason. I do want to talk to you a little bit more. I know we had some pre-interviewed chat about the injury that you suffered. Number one, Taringin and Achilles sounds excruciating

and has been described as such. What about your game has had to change? The hockey skate does allow for some coverage there. You still got the straight line speed, but is it cutting a little bit different? To me, it kind of seems like you're looking to be a little bit more of a facilitator that year. And I don't know if it's just because maybe you have some physical limitations. Can you describe to me the rehab and how it might have changed your game some? Yeah. I mean, uh, Terry Achilles, I mean, for people that have done it before, it's

a excruciating pain, especially right after surgery, when, um, you know, everything wears off, um, you know, it's not fun. And, uh, you know, your couch potato for two weeks, you can't really move. And, um, you know, there was a potato for two weeks, you can't really move. And, you know, there was a time there where I just didn't always get up. And obviously my goal and my mentality was to come back even stronger than I did before, but at the same time, I am human. And I do read into, you know, what's going on. And I do read into what's what's happened with other athletes in the past. And, you know, obviously a lot of them haven't come back

like they have before. And that kind of creeps in your head. But for myself, just trusting the process, trusting my trainers, I had my trainer from back home, live with me full time throughout the whole process. And so I had a guy there just in my home, working my QE every single day, didn't really take any days off.

Mentally it was very tiring, but it's the everyday thing. Come to the rank, first one there, last guy out, type thing. And it wasn't fun. I won't say I came to the rank with a smile on my face every day, but I just ran and it was just just remember why you do it for. And here I am, very blessed to be in this position. It was a long process, but I was happy to come back and get my skates on. It is a little different than you know, we see basketball and football where're just you know impacting your Achilles right away I do have my hockey skate where it's covered in a boot, but you know, it was it was it was a battle

You know, I do have to change my preparation before games You know, I do have a little longer warm up now and making sure that you know not just the side that I that I tore But both sides are already to go and lose because you you know, now you kind of favor the other side and then, you know, I've heard some guys, you know, favorite the other side so much and not even take care of it and up tearing the other side. So I want to make sure that I didn't have the obviously I didn't happen and, you know, you just learn so much about the body, you learn so much about, you know, how to prepare yourself. And I think I took that time to just just watch, watch the games from up top and just learn from the top players, from the other teams and kind of, you know, take notes off, you know, superstar players around the league. And then whenever I would come back to the game, you know, take, take those things and kind

of add it to my style of game. And I think I've understood. Is everyone on the team trying to be the first person in and last person to leave? Does that create a log jam with the park in line? How does that work? Are we all fighting to be the last person to leave the facility? I think everyone's got the other thing. Everyone's got their routine. You know, we're all grown men now. You know, we don't want to switch too much. What's been work and has been working. So, you know, that's all grown men now. You know, we don't want to switch too much. What's been working, it's been working.

So, you know, that's just kind of how things work. And now I'm just now in that headspace where I'm just happy to be, you know, one of those first guys out to come to the ring and last guys out. Lost Vegas and Florida, not exactly the original six. Do you think the entire country of Canada hates this? Well, I'm sure least fans are too happy with Florida, but you know, that's just how sports works. You know, you just never know what's going to happen. And about diving for us, we don't really care. Oh, but you're Canadian. That part had to feel good. No, like that,

it's ridiculous.'s a synonym I am Canadian but I play for South Florida so I'm all South Florida now Can you can you take us through your family's backstory on how unusual it is for someone Haitian Canadian to end up doing some of the things that you're doing how improbable it is to arrive with your family's backstory to where it is you are here now. Yeah, I mean, both my parents were born in Haiti and both moved to Montreal, their early age, five, six years

of old. And, you know, I actually come from a football background. My uncle played in the CFL. My dad had a play college football. And, you know, you grow up in Canada, you're putting the skates no matter what. And for myself, I was putting the skates at two years old. And I was already skating by the age of three, four, you know, pretty regularly. So, you know, obviously the Montreal Canadians, you know, the hockey team there was a team I looked up to. And obviously took a couple of players that I looked up to,

obviously Sakukoi who is a long time captain there. And I just knew that's something I wanted to do at a really age. And I just took over from there. And my dad, my parents pushed me extremely hard. And so many sacrifices they've done and, you know, didn't have, you know, always the best equipment, but it always made it happen and always sacrifice their time. And for me to get out there on the ice as much as possible, obviously extremely grateful for them.

Anthony, just real quick, can you explain to me, and I know this is an ignorant question, but in the best of seven series against Carolina, you guys played how many times and won how many times? We played four and one four. Okay, so I'd like to get your commentary to what Rod Brindamore had to say after that series to this sound. That's the unfortunate part of this is that it's going to look back and everyone's going to say you got swept and that's not what happened.

I lost the game. I'm there. I'm cutting the game. We're in the game. We've been losing four games. We got beat, but we were right there and I just wanted to go the other way and just look at it in four games the other way. And tonight, the way it ended is tough getting a penalty like that. That's tough, you know,

especially what was let go and then you go that's gonna, that's gonna, that's gonna sting. But not to take anything away from the other team is they played hard, but, you know, I think we take, took a huge steps this year, you know, coming this far, like I said, what we were missing is pretty, pretty impressive. Your thoughts, Anthony? Honestly, I get what he means. I mean, you take consideration every game was one by one goal. And games were tight. That was probably the most grand we had on all the series. They're a really good hockey team.

They play tight and stuff to get in the offense going. They play man-to-man in the zone and very tough to infiltrate their d's. But, you know, we did win four games in a row, but I do kind of understand what he's saying. But, you know, at the end, it is a sweep and we're very proud of it. And I'm just really get rolling here in the finals. Longberg argued that it's actually the rare five game sweep because he played two one time in the same night. Yeah, very true. Very true. That's that first one was I'll just

hope in somebody who was gonna finish it there at the end there. I didn't want to go in the fifth or four time. The legs were a little gas there. Listen, I don't want to get ahead of ourselves. I know there are four wins remaining for you guys, but have you taken a moment to allow yourself to imagine what a parade down sunrise Boulevard would feel like? Honestly, I don't want to get my head space in there. It's still so much work to be done at the same time. We're just living in the moment, living day by day

and taking game by day game. And if we get to that point, you know, we'll have a good time, but you know, we'll be like you said, we still have four wins to get to and that's where we're focused on right now. Un ent, no? Les chevaliers d'eau. They had to say a one more time. Yeah. Les chevaliers d'eau sont une ent. Les chevaliers. The golden nights are an embarrassment now.

Sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, your friend. She was trying to trap you. I thought you were going to stop me, but you were really sorry. That accent was a little too heavy for me, right? I thought you was tobacco, I'm not going to have you for me. I'm not going to have you for me. I'm not going to have you for me. I'm not going to have you for me. I'm not going to have you for me.

I'm not going to have you for me. I'm not going to have you for me. I'm not going to have you for me. I'm not going to have you for me. I'm not going to have you for me. I'm not going to have you for me. I'm not going to have you for me. I'm not going to have you for me. I'm not going to have you for me. I'm not going to have you for me. I'm not going to have you for me. aggregated by anybody if you do it in French. Can you say nasty things about Vegas in French?

What just to do it? I mean, he knows, you know, it's a hot color right now, he won't understand. So they have one French guy, William Carrier. So he might get him in French a little bit. He bests you. So he might get him in French a little bit. He bests you. Thank you, sir. Congratulations. It's been a lot of fun.

And now you've got to finish it or your bum. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Be sure. We're going on French there. You work on your French. Oh.

Oh. Not tall. Two minutes for slashing. You were gone, you're right! Oh! On tall. Two minutes for slashing. Thanks so much, ma'am. Thank you, guys. partes. A raíz, blu, cadáiz. Escuchéis lo que escuchéis, tapados los ojos. La calle vamos todos a cieras, pero lo más aterradores no saberán que confiar. Uide las personas que 14th of July, Skid Goddamn. Old blue eyes. Congratulations on your suing on your shirt.

This is the Don Limita Show with Estugaat. I don't want to say publicly without knowing for sure that Jessica is really right now. But there have been an inordinate number of aggressive sneezes today. There was the back and forth here that I didn't know because I don't know French. I wasn't sure if she was made to feel insecure by that exchange because I don't know how strong her French is or isn't and she warned Mike Ryan she said there's going to be a translation issue but we burrowed

ahead anyway and he asked again and again what are you saying to me and now because I don't believe we're feeding people very well around here she's also not unlike a pelican just shoved some half of a sandwich into her face very quickly is everything okay no no I'm so rattled right now there's a lot like a pelican, just shoved some half of a sandwich into her face very quickly. Is everything okay? No, no, I'm so rattled right now. There's a lot going on. First of all, it's my fault because I should have trusted my gut.

Mike said, can you ask him a question in French? And I said, he's from Quebec. He's from Quebec. Oh, okay. I said, he speaks Kebacquois. I grew up learning French from the country of France. For the uninitiated, mainly me. What is the difference?

Kebacua is like a different, I die like to French. I'm not even really sure, because I've never been to Quebec. I've never tried to speak it. I've never been to... Is it like Argentinian Spanish where I can't understand the French? I'm not really.

I'm freaking worth their say. Actually, ask me seven years ago when I was in college, I probably would have given you a really good answer. I don't know. All you knew was different. All you knew was different. You knew it was different. But you knew it was different. But you knew it was different. And I knew it was different.

And I didn't know exactly how they say Golden Knights in French because the literal translation was Chevalier d'Or, but I don't know what they say. Sometimes they have cheeky little nicknames for things. I don't even know if the French have the Golden Knights on their radar. But I kept pushing you to do this because I thought I would have thought it would have been a cool moment to flash one of your great skills. And then I took a bite of my rap and a chickpea fell out and now it's lodged in the back of my throat. Well, we're going to gather ourselves as a show. I don't know what that sound was.

A chickpea. A sound of a $5 fine. We are going to gather ourselves and we are going to talk about something that I've wanted to talk about for two days. However, before I talk about it, I want to understand what are in the modern age, the spoiler rules for streaming things that are immensely popular. There are a handful of... No, I see. I got mad at you yesterday because you made a little line there and I'm pretty sure it was a clear reference to the succession season finale and you can't be doing that. A friend of mine was very upset. You can't be doing that. Very upset. He's like, you know, you know that after you shouldn't be doing that.

Get out of here, Tony. I don't watch success. I love success. I love success. But also I love the Florida Panthers and I love the Miami Heat. You understand what I'm saying? I'm the father of a three-year-old. There's not a lot of time for succession. Let me again ask the question because you are Revin Hyman. Let me ask the question. Spoiler rules foreshows that are appointment viewing that everyone seems to be talking about at the same time on social media. There are classifications to this stuff. Game of Thrones, there aren't very many places and times in the modern age where you have old school, appointment television, where people don't want to watch it

and hour and a half later. They want to talk about it immediately after it happened on social media and react to it. They don't want to hide from social media for two days because you're not going to be able to avoid. It's not going to be possible to avoid succession spoilers. Honestly, I think when it comes to a major series finale like Game of Thrones or succession, which didn't have quite as many viewers as Game of Thrones, probably like a percentage of that, but still very highly anticipated series finale. If you don't watch

it live, tough titties. People are watching it it live they want to talk about it it's a television viewing experience i think when it comes to a regular episode of the show wait a few days or put a spoiler tag but when it's the next day and it's a hugely anticipated series finale tough titties i didn't get to watch a lot of titties not of titties not titties no i finally got a day off from sports and I watch succession because that's how it goes. I'm sorry that my teams are presently in a championship round.

Both of them right now. No, I'm not. I will not apologize. I'm sorry, but I will not apologize. But Dan, the urge that you're trying to fight is you're just natural insistence on being a leaky faucet. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. No, I would have never pieced together that someone in the Roy family would have betrayed someone in the Roy family. That goes against the entire history of the show. There was a back stabbing and a betrayal and you can't trust anyone in this family. There's a board meeting.

How could I figure that part out without you? I want to understand what I'm supposed to do once Kendall Roy has become an internet meme and him walking haunted down a hallway. But that's every episode. I've seen Kendall Roy haunted on my timeline. And I can't distinguish what episode that's from. Do I just saw episode three of succession

it's called Conner's wedding I was so happy that what happened in that episode wasn't spoiled for you. You're not even going to say what happened there. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I am not going to say what happened there. That was well, it's a key. It's a key. It's a key. It's not very twist.

It's called Conner's wedding. But how do you avoid? I'm not, I was stunned and so proud of my teammates for not spoiling it today. That character was upset that that was the ending for that character and I don't want to speak about this two months after the plot twist that... No, you'd rather spoil the finale that happened three days ago.

I'm just wondering what the rules are! The rules are don't ruin it for me. So I'm talking three hours a day. How am I supposed to talk about success? No, it's fine. We'll just wait and talk about it in August. We'll just wait a few more months. Thank you.

Literally no one's talking about the cultural moment that was the series finale of succession on Sunday night. We'll wait until it's the least amount relevant to talk about it on our hugely popular daily sports show. We'll just wait until then, Mike. Dan, you had your chance with that, man. What happened there? You guys can talk about it.

Just like put a bunch of alarms and bells on the front end and say, all right, we're gonna talk about something that just happened in the finale. If you don't wanna listen to this, don't listen to this episode. Get out of the room, cover your ears, do whatever. You gotta give appropriate things. You can't do what you did yesterday,

which is mention one of the characters by name, and like what you did yesterday, what if cheeky pun at that? If there is something with that cheeky pun involved in the succession finale, I am slapping you across your face. Kevin was very upset. Just across your face.

I personally thought that Bill Simmons was just doing a Kendall Roy impression during his meme, just looking disheveled and looking shocked. Yeah, again, you guys think that that's a spoiler. I follow an IG account and have for several years, which is just called sad Kendall Roy. So sad Kendall Roy showing up on my IG timeline does nothing for me. Here's the thing. I, here's the thing. Here's the thing. I was busy on Sunday night. I was at yet another wedding, avoided all of the major sporting events.

However, the succession finale was in the middle of the wedding. So I didn't get to watch it. I avoided social media. I know, tough for me to do. Tough titties. Tough, but not tough titties. Because it didn't get spoiled for me.

I watched it as soon as I could on Monday night and nothing got spoiled, and here I am today having thoroughly enjoyed the series finale of the show. If you really like the show, and you care about the show, watch the show. Make time for the show. It's not that hard.

I understand, and it's incumbent upon me to avoid spoilers, and I've successfully done so, and I want to shout out one special person that made it possible for me to not know what happened in episode three of this most recent season. Elon Musk, thank you for ruining Twitter so much that I could successfully avoid this major because Twitter sucks now. And I miss out on all these memes and stuff because you're putting things on my timeline that I didn't follow.

By your spoiler rules, Jessica missed game 7. I wasn't allowed to talk about it the next day. Don Lebertard! Lou Holt's number one... Thank you, Kelly. Trooping my balls off. I can't play a little tit-a-create. You cannot give me enough fake Lou Holt saying any number.

Trooping my balls off. We're... You can't give me enough fake Lou Holt saying any number. I'm tripping my pal's cell phone. Hahaha, we're... You can't give me enough. Stugats. The jewel on the microphone. I'm not sure what you're talking about. The patch of fire. To avoid the eating mind when fixed.

This is the Don Lebertar show with the Stugats. Didn't actually get to talk about the succession finale because I was being yelled at by Mike Ryan about spoilers and how it is that you talk about these things. So I am now going to discuss this more generically than I would have liked and I am warning you on the front end, Just skip the segment. If you don't want to hear anything about the day, that's all I asked for. No, just go sit in the penalty box. Just go to two titties.

Just get out of very rough. Go ahead and tough, tough, rough, same paper titties. Just get out of here. The way that it ended, the way that succession ended is the way that it had to end for it to be the comedy that it is. I know it's a drama and I know that it's a tragedy, but it's also a comedy.

You've heard me say while talking about this show that I really can't figure out what's better, whether it's the writing or the acting in that show heard me say while talking about this show that I really can't figure out what's better, whether it's the writing or the acting in that show, because the actors were able to summon something that I really enjoyed about it, and it's beyond the siblings their ability to look as adults and act as adults like children, to reduce themselves in a way where they were on the screen, stealing the screen, and you can see beyond all the family dysfunction that was being celebrated on the show

and laughed at, that they were able to summon something that looked like childishness. Everybody was awful in the show. The most honest relationship was between Connor Roy honest relationship was between Conor Roy and a sex worker. The sex worker was the most normal one of anyone there because she was not in disguise as someone who would give it all up in exchange for money. And the way that it ended as an indictment of wealth and selfishness and greed in America on HBO. And I haven't seen this in a lot of the critical acclaim in the commentary and the think pieces

that get born when America is gathered around its television watching something. What's happening at HBO, killing that kind of content because corporate greed rules overall is inescapable as HBO Max gets disassembled because of corporate greed. Brad, what did you like best about succession? I don't hear a whole lot of people saying anything bad about it it's one of these rare things we can be divided on anything we can argue about anything and i do not see a whole lot of criticism that i'm and in general i don't see a lot of criticism and i also don't see a lot of valid criticism like people seem to be sitting out the idea that this was just an artful artfully done well done show and by consensus one of the best television shows ever made i think that uh... with

the performances that were amazing as you said karen kalkin being my favorite one uh... that celebrity siblings unexpected celebrity siblings are having a moment right now between karen kalkin not the kalkin that was on our radar for so many years and now arguably the most respected kalkin which is a trophy i'm sure anyone would want but now remember the ulson twins

the ulcered twins were mill millionaires that rich beyond their wildest dreams and we thought nothing could ever touch the ulcered twins and then that it rich beyond their wildest dreams and we thought nothing could ever touch the Olsen twins. And then a scarlet witch arises, and now there's a new Olsen. I have another one for you, L-Fanning. Remember when Dakota Fanning was like the it actress,

and now L-Fanning is this? Yes! Exactly. I couldn't have said it better myself. You're right, this is the year of celebrity siblings. It's a good take, I like it. Yeah, so all I'm saying is that if you're a lost sheen or maybe a weigh-ins that we're unaware of,

you can have a future. You still have a chance. You still have a chance. Is there another hem's worth that we don't know about? I think there's, aren't there already a couple? Do we need more? Oh my God, it would suck if you were like the Cooper Manning of the hem's worth. I think there is one. There is a, there's a aren't there already a couple do we need more oh my god It would suck if you were like the Cooper Manning of the Hemsworth I think there is a there is a there is a third one there's a third unknown how Hemsworth is is he hideous to look at as opposed to the other I

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes He's an a real life, but then next to those guys He's a ten in real life, but next to those guys. And those guys. Four. It's a sad four. Not as muscular, either. One of the things I liked about the finale

and this won't spoil anything, but there were a lot of great sibling moments. It was like the pitfalls and the peaks and valleys of sibling behavior, right? Like one minute you're laughing, you're like daring each other to eat something gross, and then the next minute you're physically assaulting each other in a conference room. Like I absolutely love that because I have a lot of friends

that are only children, and it's hard to describe sibling relationships to them, because from an outsider's perspective sometimes it seems like I hate my sister, right? But then like my sister is the only one who understands the things I understand about my parents. So we have like a connection with each other that no one else and I will ever have, right? And I just find that aspect of it to be so hilarious. I think they depicted it and obviously to an extreme, right? Because these siblings are fighting over wealth and power to a degree that no regular person will ever encounter or compete

with their siblings for. But I just thought that it was at their worst moment in their lives. They're all again, they're mid to late 40s. They're still doing dumb sibling shit together. They've tried to conceal, and again, I don't want to ruin any of this, but they tried to conceal the seminal moments in this show in a number of different ways publicly. They, in front of camera people, they taped multiple endings

on the board, the signature moment that Mike was talking about from the third episode of this season. They didn't describe it as blank happens. They just put it on the whiteboard as Larry David, the, which doesn't have anything to do with anything. But what was your favorite part, Jessica, of everything it is that you were watching with succession when it's so artfully done?

And for whatever reason, money is something that people are hugely fascinated by. The idea that this seemed to resemble at this time in America, what is happening with the entire Murdoch family and the fights for money and power? The thing that you liked best about succession was? I think that it was so restrained because a lot of these HBO shows get fan theories on reddit and everyone thinks some like crazy things

Gonna happen in the finale and a lot of these shows there is something crazy that happens I think game of thrones and like Westworld like those types of shows It's like this insane things gonna happen in the fan theories are this and that but succession It was like the ending was so mundane because the world was so mundane like Like the big drama was a conference, a meeting in a conference room. And I love that the writers didn't try to make it. There was no explosion, there was no murder scene, there was nothing.

It was just as boring as episode one to a lot of people was. The finale was because the biggest drama was just stuff going on between the characters. There wasn't a lot of action sequences or anything like that. It was just phenomenal writing. And I think the other thing that I loved was that the writers knew who the characters were from the first episode. And the audience was the, we were the ones who learned more about them each time.

But they were so true to those characters, they were fully realized in the pilot. And you don't really fully get a grasp of what's really going on until the finale when there's a couple things that are revealed and you really understand like oh my god like this writing was just absolutely knocked knocked it out of the park support the writer's track amen