The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Chris Hayes and His Brass Chain (feat. Chris Hayes)

Episode Date: January 21, 2025

MSNBC's Chris Hayes is here after yesterday's inauguration, and he's promised to be completely unbiased. Hayes chats with us about how the most powerful billionaires in the world ended up cozying up with the President, memcoins, the total uncertainty of the next 4 years, the pardons issued yesterday, and deep dish pizza. Plus, Jessica is here after her Notre Dame Fighting Irish came up just short in the National Championship, and she explains what it felt like to watch her team lose after such a memorable season. You will NOT get her tears. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And for more heartburn relief fun, be sure to follow Tums at Tums official on Instagram and Tik TOK. This is the Dan LeBattor Show with the StuGuts Podcast. Joining us now from MetalArk Media's New York studio where he's hobnobbing around with another one of those obnoxious liberal elites Pablo Torre. Chris Hayes is with us. He's the host of All In Weeknights on MSNBC, that propaganda outlet for the woke. He's the author of a new book called The Sirens Call. It's not about Trump or politics, it's about attention. And I want to get into some of the inauguration with him

because he's written a think piece for the New York Times about how content is king, how, of course, Musk buys talking and Trump rules the world. That content is king now, attention is the currency of the day. So, Chris, thank you for joining us. And you wrote this because what? Because you realized you too are a content merchant, an addict.

I'm both an addict. I'm both a seller and a user. I don't know if you feel the same way, but yes. I am, my livelihood is keeping people's attention. I'm also just compulsively online. And even if those are personal dispositions, I feel like we live in an age in which attention is the most important resource, it's the most valuable,

and we're watching it play out before our eyes. I mean, yesterday was a spectacle that perfectly illustrated this point. Elon Musk, Donald Trump, like these guys are where they are for a reason, and a lot of it has to do with how they manipulate attention. Well, tell me about how you experienced Elon Musk and Bezos and Zuckerberg at the inauguration

with better seats than the incoming cabinet, a cabinet that is not unlike the cabinets in many white households, all white. Well, it was, I mean, it was almost too on the nose. There's so many things that Trump does that are on it was almost too on the nose. There's so many things that Trump does that are on the nose, passed on the nose. It was a really striking image. I don't think I've ever seen anything like that before.

You had, you know, the head of Google, the head of Apple, the head of Amazon, the head of Facebook, the head of Tesla X, I mean, all standing in a line. They're all shot there. And it was pretty funny. I saw someone, I forget who it was, but someone was like, well, it standing in a line, they're all shot there. And it was pretty funny, I saw someone, I forget who it was, but someone was like, well, it's interesting that when we did his rallies,

like the people behind him were like coal miners, and like first responders and construction workers. And suddenly he gets elected president, like they can't really find any coal miners up there on the dais. You can't really find any first responders, but the most powerful billionaires are up there. And I thought, you know, it was an intentional bit of symbolism. It was not,

it wasn't like a mistake. It wasn't like they were like, oh, where do we seat these guys? Oh, just give them the front row. They were saying something. They're both the people attending, Bezos at all, and Trump and his crew. But when you examine it from that angle, right? Like, of course it can be dark humor but the idea of a party running on uh... against elite and big tech and then to see bezos who owns a newspaper is a side toy not give uh... any kind of endorsement sit out waiting for this moment and zuckerberg also

fights for attention and must rise to out by them all while following the president around like a lap dog as if he, you know, wants to buy America while he's at it. Like when you're watching all of that, you're experiencing that how as an American. As an American, I feel anger, but I also feel a kind of cold sense of clarity. In some ways, I've actually thought that the last few weeks have been usefully clarifying. You know, the interests of these folks are aligned with the interests of Donald Trump. And that they were working very hard to obscure that before. But I think that it's useful for everyone to see it for what it is. It reminds me a little bit of, you know, there's a moment after 9-11 and particularly that first, you know,

2002, 2003, and the run up to the 2004 election with Bush, where all of these powerful forces in American life aligned with George W. Bush. You know, the Dixie chicks were blacklisted because they said something disparaging about George W. Bush. And it was clarifying then in that moment, um, to understand the forces are rated against you. And in the end, no matter how much the people who dissented against George W. Bush were berated, they were proven right in the end. And I don't think that image of those guys standing there in line at that

inauguration is gonna age very well. In fact, I feel almost certain it won't. You write in your book, The Sirens Call, we have a country full of megaphones, a crushing wall of sound, the swirling lights of 24-7 Casino blinking at us, all part of a system,

minutely engineered to take our attention away from us for profit. Under these conditions, anything resembling the democratic deliberation seems not only impossible, but increasingly absurd, like trying to meditate in a strip club. The next four years are bringing what? Oh, I don't know. I mean, I find the total uncertainty liberating. You know, I I remember so clearly is a really important lesson. I remember first impeachment of Donald Trump, which happens in January and February of 2020. And when it ends in him being acquitted by the United States Senate,

there were all these stories about what this year was going to be and how Trump was resurgent. And I remember thinking to myself, I was stressing about travel because it was an election year and I was going to have to go to these primary states. I was thinking about childcare. And of course, COVID hit two weeks later, three weeks later. Everything I'd stressed about, everything I thought about, all the think pieces, all the stuff about Trump, completely washed away. None of it. None of it mattered. And I've just taken that lesson to heart that we do not know what's coming. You can prepare, you can stick to your principles, you can think about your craft, you can think about what you want to do as a citizen. But I have no idea what these next four years are going to be like, and neither is anyone else. And the degree to

which I have no idea, I actually find like, personally liberated. But you're assuming that the government is going to get ransacked, correct? You're yours? Are you not? Oh,, I don't think it's going to be good, I guess, if that's your question. No, I mean, I think this thing, the meme coin, the crypto meme coin, he launched it, you know, a day before becoming president, that people who are hardcore crypto heads, like partisans of crypto, love crypto, think it's the future, they were disparaging it as a blatant, you know, a blatant grift. This is gonna be a ransacking, a pillaging, a plundering.

It's gonna be corrupt. I think the first day and the executors he signed confirmed all the worst fears and also made the people who are extending some sense of good faith look a little silly. It's going to be bad. Just the question to me is like how bad and what it implicates for all of us. But yes, it is not going to be good. The government is not going to be run well. That's one thing I feel confident predicting. The whole changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America just felt like a

complete distraction because of those executive orders. What do you think the worst executive order was signed into law yesterday? That's a really good question. I'm still, first of all, let me be honest, I'm still sorting through them. I think there's a few. The worst in terms of its intent is the revocation of birthright citizenship, which is a foundational American right. It's plainly in the text of the 14th Amendment. It was put in the text of the 14th Amendment by the second founding generation of this country who came together to write the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments after the bloody Civil War to try to found a multiracial pluralistic democracy.

The naturalized- To attack that. I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, no, no, I don't wanna stop your train of thought. I thought you were done, please continue. To attack that is the cornerstone of, is to attack the foundation of the project of the nation's second founding after the civil war, which is a multiracial democracy.

It is a distinguishing characteristic birthright citizenship in the US. It's one of our finest attributes. He cannot undo it through a piece of paper. It's in the Constitution. But in terms of what that represented, not in terms of its effect, which I hope will be essentially nothing,

that was the most insidious. It was certainly symbolic, but it does face several legal challenges. I don't know how you actually go about enforcing this. One of the reasons, as you mentioned, constitutional. What does this look like? It's going to get it's a great question. It's it should again.

Who knows with this with the Supreme Court? It should get blocked immediately and then challenged and then thrown out. Blatantly unconstitutional. The plain text of the constitution means what the plain text of the constitution means. And so in that respect, in terms of the effect it's going to have, I don't think necessarily that was the worst because I hope to your point that it gets, it basically gets thrown out and doesn't go into effect. The pardons and commutations for the January 6th folks, including people that, like, assaulted

cops, people getting out of prison who had 22 years for seditious conspiracy, I mean, that just says something. It's not just that granting them this clemency itself is bad, though it is it's the message it communicates about the about political violence about his support for political violence about his encouraging future political violence that that is pretty dangerous stuff that he's playing with all right Chris objectively though okay objectively explain objectively i'm always objective to explain to me the difference between Joe Biden pardoning his son and Donald Trump pardoning all of the January 6th people because a proud boy here in Miami who got 20 plus years through our legal system is now at home ready for the next time the violence might be needed. Can you explain objectively the difference

between those two pardons? Because both pardons seem wrong. Yeah, I don't think I support, I don't support the Hunter Biden pardon. I think it was the wrong thing to do. I think the difference is in the details of the cases. I mean, it should be really clear. Hunter Biden was prosecuted

for what's called felon in possession, which is extremely rare case. I mean, we're talking about a handful of cases, despite the fact there are tens, hundreds of thousands, millions of addicts across the country. Basically, he had a gun and he said he wasn't a drug addict when he got it, but he was a drug addict. There are former federal prosecutors, including former Republican congressmen,

who say this thing is never ever, ever charged. The only reason that he was charged was because his name was Hunter Biden. He was on the wrong side of essentially presidential privilege. And that would be the justification for that pardon. I still think because he's your son and you're the president, you shouldn't do it. But on the merits, it was just as an empirical matter, an extremely, extremely, extremely rare form of prosecution that was brought to bear on him. And I think it's inarguably,

it's because of what his last name was. Now that said, look, if they had gone through and they had taken a class of three or 400 of those folks convicted for January 6th, who never assaulted a cop, never celebrated what they did, walked into the building and walked out. Possibly that's more defensible. They did not do that.

This was a full jailbreak. And in fact, JD Vance, just days before they did it said, obviously you shouldn't give clemency to people that assaulted police officers. People that assaulted police officers got sprung yesterday. I mean, we've got the tape. You could look at them bashing in the heads of cops and now they're walking the streets.

That is on a completely different level than anything that happened in terms of Biden pardons. I want your attention, I need your attention. Here is how I mastered my own. It's the opinion guest essay He has written for the New York Times. Why did you write it? Are you you're being introspective during dark times about being complicit to feeding this machine you whore? Well, I think that I look I think like all of us in this age I wrestle with being inside my own head

You know, I mean, I think I don't know if you guys are this way We walk around all day with podcasts in your ears, if you leave your phone in the car and you stop and double park and you run to a Starbucks and you're getting a cup of coffee and you reach for the phone and it's not there, then you have this moment of panic. Like, oh, what's that moment of panic?

Like, why has it become harder and harder to live with our own thoughts, to be alone with ourselves? And the reason is we are being conditioned away from it. And the more we're conditioned away from it, the more difficult it is to be with our own thoughts. But being with our own thoughts is the stuff of life. It's all we got, we don't get to outrun our own head. So for me, the project of this book

and the project I'm trying to work through is, what are we running from? How do we get back to being okay with our own thoughts? How can I go for a 20-minute walk and just be in my brain and not need some escape? Dan, where was the comma in your question? Was it comma you whore? You called them a whore. Or is it like you're whoring this?

Also, it was a great deflection because I believe you called an essay an essay. I just ignored it. CJ Stroud. I did call it an essay, yes. Brown Wave. But what happened to the comma? You called him a whore. I did call him a whore.

He knows what I'm talking about. Put it on the poll at Levitard Show, Juju. Being with your own thoughts. Is it the stuff of life? No, I think he's... He's... He's... He's... I think the reason...

Put it on the pole. Dangerous game, Dan-o. I think the reason that he's written this think piece is because he understands that in some ways, the liberal media elite was outplayed by a group of people who realized earlier than the mainstream media did that they were buying up people right and left and this is where not just he gets turned around, I get turned around as well and I'm on the losing side of a fight

where that particular oaf took out journalism. That particular, that thing ended up just wandering around yelling fake news, fake news and because he's a reality TV contest, and he now gets immunity, he gets immunity all over the place and all of our judges, so that this guy, a journalist is on here saying, yeah, it's unconstitutional, but who knows what the Supreme Court is going to do? To take a hatchet to America like that? Like how the hell is this the first day? It's pretty tough. I mean, look, you know, yesterday was, I was watching it as a professional.

So there's certain amount of like regulation that one undertakes, but it was tough to watch. I'm not gonna joke. I mean, I'm not gonna deny it or joke about it. And look, this is, I can't offer any comforting words about like who wins in the end, you know? I think that, I don't know who wins in the end. It's always Mahomes. Look, I wish we had Mahomes. You know, I don't know who our Mahomes is.

We're biding our time the regular season and just waiting to bust it out in the playoffs. But I don't know. I hope we have our own homes. How do you feel about deep dish pizza? It's a great question. I love it. I think it's one of those things that, you know, that's maybe a once or twice a year thing. Like I feel about it the way I feel about turkey. Like when it in the right context, in the right place and time, it's delicious. Do I want a deep dish pizza, you know, multiple nights a week? You know, it's, no.

It's a commitment. Deep dish pizza. It's a commitment and it is a great thing to savor when you're doing it. But like, you're not, that's not gonna, you're not gonna run up on a deep dish pizza a few times a week. No, but once a week.

No, no, no, no, no. Once a week is really pushing. That's a bad idea. It's aggressive. Would you go once a week? You would go once a week, deep dish? Look, I would be 600 pounds if I lived in Chicago. 600 pounds.

Because of the deep dish. This show would be my 600 pound life if I lived, yes. Because yes, it's like three pizzas on top of each other. Like why wouldn't I want three pizzas on top of each other? Why wouldn't I want more? What's happening here with this gold chain? It's brass, it's $60. That's a fine.

Okay, is it a fine that I didn't know that it was? My wife got it for me. You know, I was born in the Bronx in 1979, so as I age, I'm just aging back into my roots Alfredo Hayes does my wife love me She does love me So I got a $60 brass chain that is a killer one question to ask in an interview Billy Thank you for your tower. You said that you hear from her. Thank you for getting a brass chain

We appreciate you being on maiden voyage. Good talking to you Chris. Thank you for your- I'm gonna tell her you said that, you're gonna hear from her. Thank you for- You're not getting a brass chain. We appreciate you being on Maiden Voyage. Good talking to you, Chris. Thank you, sir. Thank you, fellas. The Dan Lobatore Show with Stugatz is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. Stugatz, there are a couple of things

that I wanted to talk to you about that we did not get to earlier in the show because we were just wandering around and Xavier Lucas has entered the transfer portal or he has come to the University of Miami through a portal that his attorney is arguing does not exist. So I can get this right. A secret portal? I love a secret portal. Here's how the appeal went. Wisconsin's like, well, we're not

going to let you into the transfer portal. And guess what? The transfer portal is closed up now, so you can't go. And Xavier Lucas and his representatives were like, the transfer portal doesn't actually exist. And the NCAA was like, you got us there, pal. We didn't actually know. That is how that happened.

Anyone would figure this thing out. That it's not actually my bad. Yes, well, what I loved about it, it bypassed all of the other ways that these are announced. And once I got involved and read, his attorney said, and then I just saw the NCAA backpedaling from, we don't have any actual power here. We like to complain about things and pretend

like we're making the rules, but we're not allowed. We don't have any jurisdiction here. And look, the Big Ten, especially in its statement We don't have any jurisdiction here. You know and and look the Big Ten especially in its statement and Wisconsin have used a lot of big words but it's all flash paper because they've already lost in all the meaningful places. Essentially what they're only doing with these statements very strongly strongly worded is begging the NCAA to get safe harbor status from Congress. It's basically a press release that says, Congress save us so our illegal cartel

can continue going with impunity because we just lose case after case after case. The argument is he signed a document committing to us for two years, not a full contract, but we get to keep him here. They're arguing we get to keep him here and play for us. We get to force him, but we get to keep them here. They're arguing we get to keep them here and play for us. We get to force him because we're going to pay him to that. Quite honestly, is a step away from slavery. Like what they were trying to

actually execute in the arguments that they were making, which again, they lost everywhere. And they're trying to win this in the court of public opinion. But you have to pay attention to what these statements don't actually say. What it is is it's a sad, pathetic attempt for a conference and several programs within that conference that have gotten away with skirting the rules all the time and are once again upset that they just can't poach local kids like they used to. So they lost already and now they're sore losers just begging for Congress to pay them back. Well let me stop you for a second because we just got done, Stugatz, this is a reason for

celebration and we can also speak honestly at the the greed and the churning of bodies that is making profit out of football on the professionalization of what we watched last night, which is Ohio State beats Notre Dame. Everyone's riveted, and the last Chiefs game is the biggest number in the history of ESPN. Goodell comes out and says, 18 games, and we're now playing 15, and we're playing 16. Those records up there when Notre Dame

and Ohio State are playing are 14 and one, and 13 and two. That's a lot of games being played. And we just keep throwing more and more into it. A Saban makes a lot of money while saying X, Y, and Z on NIL while being a paid lobbyist on behalf of I Will Protect St. Lee football. I'm St. Nick from Alabama. And the business of it is such that cam ward is now worth about six or seven times what he was just paid in one season and lennard hamilton has his players boycotting games and and a lawsuit because they want their one point

five million dollars and mike ryan is saying and this is when a discussion like this goes flammable when when you turn this amateurism, this promptly into just greed capitalism, it's gonna get crazy, the left tackle's about to cost 10 million dollars, and if he's protecting Kam Ward, you're gonna get crazy. Mike Ryan says a step away from slavery, and once you say slavery, you lose just about everybody.

A step away from slavery. I own your rights. I tell you where to work even though you don't want to actually work there. You tell me what it's a step away from. It's what's happening with business and of course they're gonna try and get the shackles on the freedom. It's been the problem that you don't understand

what a great quiet secret this was that we all kept together on the idea of like yeah just churn through their bodies for profit and everyone will make the money it'll eventually be the ACC and all the guys in the media are all the guys in the press box in their orange jackets but then the television executives will steal it from the bowl executives because the bowl executives had this grift on the download quiet for 25 years running a straight-up crime organization a step away from slavery like they've been doing it it was just all agreed upon the terms we all agreed yeah I'll do rah rah on Saturdays and

it'll feel good and I won't pay attention that they're paying Ricky Williams with a briefcase full of watches like the watch some ones making the most noise are the ones I got away with it before and they don't like it and that includes Nick Saban who said one roster spending 30 million dollars and the other one spending three that's not sustainable isn't Nick is it because I guess you were one of those rosters that were just paying three back when everybody was paying zero also what's unsustainable is you being the highest paid employee in the state of Alabama that's what's

unsustainable. But you never hear him complain about the money that the coaches are making. Why are we surprised that the old school coaches don't like the new system? Of course they don't like it. They've been stripped of all their power. Yeah, they got unprecedented power.

They got to abuse the system, and they used to turn their nose at people and think and get to fool their fan bases and people nationwide that they were doing it the right clean way. It's a lot of loser talk too because there used to be an honor amongst thieves but when you got Nick Saban out there and the Big Ten doing what it did it's kind of pathetic. Hey friends, Jeremy here and like a lot of you I imagine, I'm someone who has multiple jobs wearing multiple hats, working all sorts of different hours throughout the week, and it can be kind

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Yeah, and there's a wall to veteran pitching into another white guy and he avoids another white guy! Oh my god, Notre Dame, the fighting Irish have done it again for the eighth time! Only playing white people! Chubby Checker... I'm sorry. He's black! I was really going, what's a white name? Chubby Checker. I picked it mic. I'm sorry, man.

I'm improv in here. I thought I didn't hear you correctly. A white Chubby Chucker running down the sidewalk. He smells it differently. All right. His name is Chubby. Maybe you didn't hear me correctly. His name is Chubby Chuckas.

There's an S at the end. I feel like that should be the largest of funds. Yeah, Chubby. Yeah, it's Chubby Chucka. It sounds like a college football name. This is the Dan LeVatar Show with the Stugats. Jessica has popped into the call here, Stugats. I was looking forward to her being here today.

She was at the game. I was looking forward to crowning her the queen of all of college football as a very ardent Notre Dame supporter. And then they come out last night and the first drive, exactly how you want Notre Dame to play and start that game. And then Ohio State just sort of happened. The next three methodical drives down the field, no real pressure on the quarterback,

converting every third down. And then the game gets away from Notre Dame. How was it Jessica? I'm sorry I am sorry for your pain it was a great Notre Dame football season and I wanted that game to be closer earlier because once Ohio State got carried away they proved over the last month that they were better than everyone else in college football. Yeah but we'll always have that opening drive Dan Dan. What a beautiful drive it was. I've never seen a drive like that. I mean, Pacific Coast Highway, I don't know.

The other scenic American drives, nothing like an 18-place, 75-yard drive, nine and a half minutes. Your quarterbacks puking and rallying, I loved it. It was exactly the way the game needed to start. It needed to start. It just had to stay there way the game needed to start. It needed to start. It just had to stay there the entire rest of the game. Herb Street said, for them to have a chance in this game,

they need to run them about like 15, 20 times in this game. And the first drive he runs nine times and is puking afterwards. The only way that- It was like the Raven Steelers wild card game, but like Lamar Jackson was on the team that I was rooting for for once. I'm like, Oh, they're going to keep running him. Okay. Sure. It's working.

Were you okay with possibly hospitalizing Riley Leonard if it meant you got more drives like that? He was okay with it. I mean, I think he would have, he would have definitely taken, he was so sad after the, that, that made me sad seeing him and Jack Kaiser, who's been at Notre Dame for six seasons after the game was sad. But yeah, like you said, Dan, like Ohio State, they were the best team in college football all season, even though they lost some games and had some really bad moments and some bad games.

Like, you know, they were better than Notre Dame. So I think Notre Dame really lost this game in the second quarter. Ohio State really won this game in the second quarter. Oh, but there's no shame, though, in the fact that over the last month of the season, since December 21st, Ohio State beat two of the three best SEC teams, beat Oregon, the number one team in the country, and then beat a one-loss Notre Dame team.

And I think all of the wins were by double digits. Like, I don't know how you argue with, that is a steamrolling we haven't seen over four games at the end of the season since LSU did it. Yeah, it's like very different than what college football fans are used to too. I mean, I've seen all these arguments about like devaluing the regular season. I'm not saying like the 12 team playoff is better or worse, but it is just different than what fans are used to like to have a team, you know, that lost twice in in the regular season go on a run like this and win the national championship

is different, but you can't say that they didn't deserve it. You can't say they're not the best team in college football. They've beaten like four of the top 10 teams in the final AP poll just like in the last month. Like they're obviously stand out amongst a crowd of really good teams. And unfortunately I'm a Notre Dame fan and Notre Dame was a really good team this year.

They just weren't as good as Ohio State and I think you know it's a bummer and obviously it got close late in the game so there's like a little bit of hope but at the end of the day Ohio State was just you know played a better full game of a better more complete game and so yeah they came away with the win much deserved though I think. Jess I know I'm playing the result a little bit because the field goal was doinked and the miss actually did loom large there as it was potentially a 10 point game.

That could have still been a one score game, but I was surprised that Notre Dame decided to kick it at that moment, were you? Yeah, I was very surprised. That was the sort of in gamegame decision-making that went, you know, I kind of at this point in like the three years of Marcus Freeman, I kind of know when he's gonna go for it, when he's not gonna go for it. I was surprised and I saw that, you know, the math said it was a toss-up. It's basically your four or

nine from like, you know, the nine-yard line. The chances of scoring a touchdown on fourth and nine, very slim. The chance of making the field goal much higher, but you're only cutting it from a two possession game to a two possession game. So it is a toss up at that point. I understand his explanation of it. I think that, you know, obviously that that's a kick that Mitch Jeter makes most of the time. Like he was hurt during the season and so he wasn't a very accurate kicker, but in the postseason he's been very, very good. He's made much longer field goals than that. So definitely the doink looms large. However, I understand

the decision. Either way, it's a really tough spot. It's probably not what I would have wanted them to decide to do. But ultimately, yeah, it looks a lot worse because you missed a chip shot field goal there. Juju, put it on the poll, please. Does the doink loom large? It always does. Am I wrong to not care about Riley Leonard's disappointment after the game last night? I understand the other guys, they

poured five or six years into Notre Dame. He poured one. He was lucky to have that opportunity. I don't care what Riley Leonard felt like after the game. Sorry. It's OK if you don't care about it. No one's making you care about Riley Leonard. You can care about whatever you want to care about. That's fine. Put it't care about, no one's making you care about Riley Leonard.

You can care about whatever you wanna care about, that's fine. Put it on the poll. I think Notre Dame fans care about it, but you don't have to care about it. Put it on the poll. Does Dugats have to care about Riley Leonard? Why would you have to care?

You were close to getting me there. You really were, the tears, he was upset. Then you told me the other guy put in six years, he put in one. But Jess, I do think, Jess, I think people wanna know how you felt. Do you immediately go to perspective, great season, oh my God, Ohio State is overwhelming or does it,

I mean, certainly after that first drive, you must've been like, oh, maybe. I mean, yeah, like the first drive was great and I was like, this is a good start, but going into the game, I think I was pretty realistic about it. Like it had to be a low scoring game for Notre Dame to win. a good start, but going into the game, I think I was pretty realistic about it. Like it had to be a low scoring game for Notre Dame to win.

I think it was a difficult test for Notre Dame. I predicted Ohio State would win. So I wasn't like expecting Notre Dame to pull one off. I hoped that they would, but yeah, I mean, honestly, to be honest, I know you guys want my tears. I understand this isn't fun for anyone to have perspective the day after losing a national championship game. But I had a really fun weekend. I got some, the media gift was this nice Nike fleece

crew neck, I got a Perry the pylon stuffed animal. I got to see like a lot of my friends. I got to be on the field before a national championship game and see the end of this amazing season come to its conclusion. It's been a really fun run and I hope Notre Dame is back next year. I think there's so much young talent on this team. Obviously, Riley Leonard's gone and CJ Carr will probably start a quarterback next year.

And he, you know, hasn't hasn't played before. He's a underclassman right now. But there's a lot to look forward to if you're Notre Dame fan. And it's I mean, the last three games that they won were some of the most fun games Notre Dame's won in, you know, 30 years. So it's hard not to have that perspective, right? I didn't expect this team going into the season. We all had high expectations for Ohio State. This roster cost a ton of money. They did so well in the transfer portal and they're, you know, always a great team. They're always in the hunt for the playoff. They're always in the hunt

for the Big Ten Championship. That wasn't how I really felt about Notre Dame going into the season. I thought this would be a really good Notre Dame team. And then some attrition started happening. They obviously lost to NIU. And I thought, OK, this is a above average Notre Dame team, but I don't expect them to play in the national championship game. Obviously, I was wrong. This is a well above average Notre Dame team, and they're the second best team in the country when all is said and done. So, you know, I don't feel like this is like team of destiny stuff missing out on a championship. We're out of time. I need to know the name of that thing. What is that toy that you got there? It makes it all right. It makes

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