The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Close Friends

Episode Date: October 23, 2023

Andrew Hawkins joins the show to discuss important topics like Instagram’s Close Friends feature and what defines a close friend. Also, Hawk tells Billy that he is an idiot for calling Kirk Cousins a first ballot Hall of Famer while the show takes off recapping the NFL weekend that was and who is on the hot seat in the NFL. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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of times, maybe on a microphone or two. Yeah. We're just rolling here. Where are you standing? How did you feel about and how important? You have how important was the maddening rating in like when um in your life and in the locker room. It wasn't I mean, I was just happy to be in the game. I was one of those guys.

I was like, I was happy to be you weren't dissecting your awareness. I wasn't. I was strongly worried in email. Like I'm very aware. There was two that I was I always wanted to make sure it was on point was agility and speed. And they pretty much had those right

for the majority of my career. Even in college, they had it up there. I think at my height, I might have been like a 90-AID agility, which is about right. It is. They shorted me a little bit, but that was about right.

I was wonder when I see like some random right guard with like a 42 awareness. I'm like, what are the, what math are they doing? Yeah, you're just basically calling them stupid. Like I just think you're a dumb guy. We had the mat and radar on though. He takes it very seriously. What are you doing? Of course he's going to say he takes it seriously, but that doesn't mean he, they're not just, you're not, I mean, it's just it, how can you possibly know every single full players awareness? I understand. Oh, hawk, how do you feel about fans that blame the referees for a loss? I like it.

I'm with it. Thank you. I appreciate it. I think it's a easy way out. You keep you in the fight. It's about hope, man. All right. There has to, you every situation in life

that you want to get through. You have to find a way to put it on somebody else. Right. Otherwise, if it's on us, it's like eventually you'd be like, I'm out on this. Anything that you eventually realize is your fault or the doing of yourself, you move on from.

You know what I'm saying? My mate, I do know what you're saying. You feel it? No one knows better. It's like if you're in media, it's like I just haven't gotten my chance. Right. People aren't giving me a fair shot. The moment you decide I suck at media, your career is over. So you got to blame the rest. You were in 98 overall agility in Matt in 2016.

You were 80 overall in general. Smartest players not on there. That's crazy. That's graduating from Columbia with a 4.0 masters. Well, so. Were you Carl Louis-Dansby because he was a 94. Smartest player. You know what?

You're insulted. I am insulted. Carl Louis is a smart player. He played like a hundred years because he was so smart. But. 4-0. I feel like I should have been up there. Paul Kruger. Paul Kruger was smart. And he's 87.

Yeah, the smartest Randy Stark, 89. That's crazy. I just don't talk to me. I didn't. I think I think it's, I have a, now that you're saying it, I feel like the longer you play in the league, the higher they put your, basically your smarts.

Because you know everything at that point. Right. You know, your physical goes down and now you're away in a scary cagey vet. Exactly. Exactly. When you're watching Eagles dolphins last night, like, do you, you're not an emotional fan. I'm sitting there saying we're getting screwed by the ref. So you're just saying, you know, like that might be a small factor, but they got outplayed. I didn't, watching that game, there wasn't a single time where I felt like, oh, man, my am is getting screwed by these. What about when they put the graphic up that said, 10 penalties to none?

Yeah, no, I stood in fill it. I think that's just how the cookie crumbles, man. That's, that's, you're on the right side of that sometimes and you're on the wrong side. Eventually, it balances out. Right. But fans blame me the refs. It's fine. You're fine with that.

I'm good with that. You should, you should do that. But dolphin fans have no right to blame the refs. But dolphins, you have zero right. What is your problem? Grow up. You know what I mean? It's a balance. We got to keep it balanced.

I got it. What surprised you the most from the NFL this past week? But what surprised me the most was finding out that Chris thought that close friends just came out on Instagram. He was doing streams. He was doing streams. He was like one of those things where it's like you know, it kind of told him yourself like it's been out for like four years.

Isn't that long? Yeah. It's been out for a while. Wow. So it's good that you're finally and people are told in yourself, like it's been out for like four years. Is it that long? Yeah. It's been out for a while. So it's good that you're finally and people post it for like a year. Yeah, no, it's been out. I might have been in high school when that came out. Are you a close friend's poster?

Like do you post things just because you're still like a bigger celebrity than us? Yeah, sometimes you got to close friends it because I have a lot of followers that may not, I went out on a show of certain personal things too, but also you switch your close friends up. So it's like a thing where it's like, you want certain people to see one thing

and then you change it to this demographic might wanna see this thing. So it's not really a close friends. I mean, people's close friends that I've literally never met in person. That's weird every time. I'm like, wow. Sid Coulson, who is on our show,

friend of Metal Lark, on here all the time. We were close friends with each other That's weird every time I'm like, wow. Sid Coulson, who is on our show, Friend of Metal Lark, on here all the time. We were close friends with each other before we actually met face to face. It's like, it's more of a like, oh, this is a no judgment. Is that possible? When you get that energy that you're a person

that doesn't judge, you feel like you're a part of my tribe. You might put them in the clothes. I don't feel like I, now we're just looking. But can you be close friends? You've never met, let's be close. We're way from looking. But can you be close friends if you've never met person? Let's move away from Instagram. You got to be literal. Are you really a follower of somebody?

If you follow them on social media? I feel like it's hard for me to consider someone a really close friend if I've never met them in person. Really? We can get away from the close friends on Instagram, but just like, But if they're willing to pay $4.99, you're fine, right? Well, that's family.

That's their sale. It's beyond close friends. That's family. That's feeding his family. Yeah, that's like, come on. So someone can buy their way into your family. You can obviously buy your way. There's not a single family. You can't buy your way. Billy's giving a look right now. You could be good friends with someone and then they move away and you remain good friends. But I feel like if you're connection with someone is always been over zoom or just phone calls, I feel like there's

just something missing there. That I have, I don't see someone like closest friends ever. Yeah. Like very rarely. And some of my That I have, I don't see someone like closest friend ever. Yeah, like very rarely. And some of my closest closest friends, I don't even talk to. And that's how you know it's low. I'll just check in like once or twice a year and there's no hello. Yeah, but you know, just like, just send a meme send whatever.

If I have to see you all the time, we're probably not close. We're not close friends. Or we won't be for very long. Yeah, but here's the other key. You can pick up the conversation right where you left off. Exactly. That's a close friend. It doesn't feel like you've missed any left. Exactly. That's a close friend.

It doesn't feel like you missed anytime. The worst is the needy friend. The one that makes you feel guilty if you haven't checked in on them in like a month or two. Yeah, you're not a close friend. That person. Right? It's like, we're all living our lives here. Yeah.

Can you be close friends with somebody and forget their birthday? Yes. Yes. Does it happen to me? Yes. My birthday radar went off for me this month and I was like, oh wait, my buddy Tyler. It sounded like, it was like, and I was like, hmm. Wait, that was a silent radar.

I was like, you silent radar, we'll have a silent radar. Oh, it was a vibrator. It was like a thermal. It was like a thermal. It was happening here. It was that work. It was a thermal one. That required a sound, but that's fine.

No, no, it was silent. It was just me. Want a alarm makes a sound. A silent radar does it. Exactly. It was more like pins. Have you discussed, or were you here Yeah, it was like more like pins. Have you discussed,

or were you here the day that Chris was talking about, how he wants people on texts to say goodbye? Yeah, I think we were like stations. Yeah, no, it's, I mean, I'm okay with it because I like the fact that we can close it out. I would think it's the necessity. You like it? But I don't want a continual conversation.

I want to, I want to move on. I want not to think about that I text you back. I just love a TTYL. It just really hits home. This is a little bit of thumbs up. Yeah, that's it. Once I start responding with Apple Tapback, you know I'm done. I'm not talking anymore. See, that's the thing.

There's people in my life that put so much weight behind that. It's like, what do you mean? I did respond. I liked your text. It's like, that's not a response. That's kind of like that. You're not a real friend. You're also not a close friend.

If you judge me for tapping back, you're not a close friend. If I forget your birthplace, I'm not a close I did respond. I liked your text. It's like, that's not a response. That's kind of like that. It's not a response. You're not a real friend. You're also not a close friend. Hey, if you judge me for tapping back, you're not a close friend. If I forget your birthday and you hold it against me, we're not a close friend. I have kids.

I can't remember everybody else's birthday. I got shit to do. I got, I have 13 jobs. Come on, man. Have you missed a kid's birthday ever? I've been, you just forgot about it, yeah. That's a lot. Oh, he come on.

I can't say it's not, I haven't done it. I have, you know, my wife helps out. So it's like, hey, I forget my own birthday. Every birthday of mine, I wake up and I'm scared to death because I look at my phone and I have 50 text messages. And I get scared what happens is I feel like something bad happened in my family because that's what happens. It's like when something bad happens, everyone starts blowing your phone up and I get nervous

and my heart starts racing I opened it up and it's like happy birthday and I'm like oh shit it is my birthday. That's a power move is when you screenshot some sort of conversation and you can see how many texts they have at the top left and it's like I've done I think I've seen dance before it's like 490. It doesn't respond to any of you. Like you know he's never gonna see it. But it's just like it's a power move to set someone that, to set someone a screenshot

where you can see how many of my texts I have. Is it a power move to not respond to someone or is it just rude? I've learned that a lot of these, when the numbers get big, it's usually just a group text that you've muted. I'm in a few Mike Ryan group texts that are just. The worst. There are a lot. There are lots of people up there.

There is a lot. So are lots of people up there. So it's like, I sometimes you'll look at my phone and you'll see 78, 79 and I feel like an important person, but it's really just one stupid group chat that I click on it and they're all gone. You know, the worst part about one of the group texts that he's talking about is that I was included in it. It's his baseball group text that he started and Mike just invited a bunch of people in it.

And he doesn't participate. He doesn't care. He pretends to be annoyed by this baseball chat that he forced on absolutely everyone else. And he's like, I don't follow this anymore. It's like, why did you make this? Why don't you force all of us together? Right, leave the chat. Politics.

That's your leave. I can't leave. That's rude. Yeah, it's not rude not to answer. It's not rude. But wait a second. I can't help you. You got to leave if you're sending a message.

No, but what if you're blown up my phone at the time? Where I don't want to blow it up? It's literally a middle finger to everybody. It's a really hot, too good for this. You can't Irish goodbye a text. It literally says Billy Gill has left his country. That's why you got to do it in a point where there's a lot of text happening.

That's the worst time to do it. No, no, a lot of text can filter through. So all of a sudden, they don't feel less a chat. They're not missing. In the closet. A hundred texts up, we're just going to go bite everyone's active and paying attention. And everyone's going to go back and redo the conversation and like right in the closet. 100 techs up. No, I'm just gonna go bite everyone's active and paying attention. And everyone's gonna go back and redo the conversation

like right in the climax of everyone's chat and you say, Hawk has left the chat. It's like, oh wow, when you're having a good time and that's what you think of us. Are you guys saying that I could not leave a group text without everyone else knowing that I've left. Correct. Really?

Absolutely. Oh man. But here's the worst part is I don't have so many groups. I don't know half the people. At least half the people in this group think so. I wouldn't even be offending people that I know. Yeah, that's what is I don't have so many groups. I don't know half the people Well at least half the people in this group thing So I wouldn't even be offending people that I know yeah, that's what I still don't want to do it You can offense strangers. I have honestly considered buying another phone and just telling like the close people in my life Like this is my new number now like so

How are you know what you should call it? You should start. I'm gonna act right you should call it close friends I think you just made it something there So you mean you want a channel just for people you actually talk to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that you actually like and know and want to show and communicate back and forth with. Right. That's smart. But what if strangers want to pay $4.99?

And then what do you do? You get, you get the phone number. They're close friends. It has to be secretive though so that people don't know you're on the app. You know what I mean? Because then people will try to request. It's called a finstein problem. Probably that's what it's called, to fence that.

I don't want that. Yeah, I've been kicked out of close friends. Really? Yeah, yeah, I was like, there's people that I know, I've been in their close friends and after a while they just, why? I don't know, it happens. You know, you got me to know.

Well, you just stop seeing the green bubble. I actually only probably look at stories with green bubbles. So I'm like a close friend, snob. I don't want to see what everyone else is saying. Have you ever hit up a friend? Let me see your kids at their bar mitzvah. Have you ever hit up a friend that you haven't seen the green?

So you're like, are you posting greens? What do you have to be a great person to do that? I just say it's like a real close friend. It's like, you must not be posting greens because I know you'd be on your, I know I'd be on your greens. No, a lot of times I feel spared. I feel spared most of the time,

like take me out to green. Right, huh? I'm good. Hawk, I want to thank you for not answering my question. Yeah, once I've lodged the most of the NFL this weekend, because you took us away very delightful place. That might have been worse than my question for Spencer. Out of boy.

I tried to out there. You got there. It's been a long day. I loved, see, this is the worst thing about working here, is I saw the delight go around the room there when there was that three seconds of like wait What's his name again and then it was more like literally it might not even be there wasn't a team it was there's no one there ready to help me it was just let's let I'm sick let's see how long it's been a long I did anything I was out But what was the most interesting thing about you just starting again

You're fast about. Are you just starting again? I'm throwing in your back. You're fast. Chris is the seeder. No, I have a question. If you want to ask a real question, is Billy right when he says Jalen Hurts is a one trick, Paul? You keep, you just, I don't know.

He's not a one. You said it, Billy, not me. That's one of the one trick. The touch push. Yeah, the touch push. That's the trick. I told, I got paid 270 million to do the touch put. When I told him last week was I go,

I have this crazy thing that I want to run with. And he has positioned this to everyone as this is my actual opinion, just trying to put me in a bad spot. What I do now, what you do, we were talking before the show today saying, they should do a drive that's just a push, like see how far they can go with that.

Because it's unstoppable for three to four. that would be, I would like that. I would be for you. They get four yards every time they do it. That's where it's every time they burn 10 minutes off the clock. That's the quickest way to get it banned though. Yeah, oh yeah, like a percent. And the way they're doing it now, you can debate the moment you start eating up clock and not scoring points.

And making it a horrible way. It's a wrap. Yeah, it's done so. Yeah. All right, we'll come back with Andrew Hawkins right after this. stream now. Don Lebatard. Risk reward of going into the woods by yourself. You die or you see some trees. I'm not going to die to go see some trees. Stugats. Listen to me. You've seen one tree. You've seen them all. Okay. There's no special tree. That is how true. That is how I feel like it's true. I'm a good boy on the

tree. That is how we are. Let me just break this is nonsense. This is the Don Lebatard show with this two gods. We continue with Andrew Hawkins here, kind enough to sit in for the hour with us. It's interesting with the Philadelphia Eagles. Really, the NFL is interesting, because last week I said the dolphins might be the best team in the NFL and the Lions might be the best team in the NFC. And a week later, everything had shifted the other way.

I said the same thing, and I don't know if I was influenced by the fact that you were saying it, but I got to make sure for my own sports media career, I don't want that happen again. Don't. Okay, thank you. Thank you. It's so bad. But how surprised, like the Lions, we talked about it last week.

Maybe the best you could make an argument, best team in the NFC, And they go to Baltimore, who's been good, has it been great? And they were great yesterday. I feel like it says more about Baltimore than it did the Lions, right? Because even even the best teams are going to have their week. We've seen it across the NFL and Dan Campbell loved it. He loved it. Yeah. Yes.

You know, good teaching moment. Yeah. He's probably putting out everything. Get over yourself. Yeah. Like you got to hurt it every week in this Yeah, he's giving it to him this week. And rightfully so, they learn that, if you're going to go to the playoffs,

you got to be a teen that's resilient. But for the Baltimore Ravens, they've been pretty consistent. Even in their losses, they should have probably been wins, right? Because they've made mistakes, but like their offense, it actually looked the way that had been promised, right? Monk've made mistakes, but like their offense, it actually looked the way

that it's been promised, right? Monk and comes in and it's like, oh, the past game is gonna look different. Lamar looked like he was in complete control and we've seen him do that from time to time but he just seems poised. He was throwing the ball down the field. He was on schedule.

He had pocket presents. He looks like he's playing a different version of himself which is what has been promised. And if they can sustain that, I mean, that's a scary team, bro. Yeah. That's a very scary team. He's a scary player. He's a scary player. He's so good, man.

It's ridiculous. How about Buffalo? What's going on there, man? I think they're frauds. Really? Yeah, I can't. I can't go that way. I'm like this.

This is like a social media hot take. I'm sure they'll clip this and put it out. And they all have bills. And by that, Chris will. Yeah, he's already right down. He's looking at the time soon. But the reality is my issue with the bills is they played to the level of their opponent.

So yes, they're a good team. But if you, oh, if you play down every time you play a bad team, are you really a good team? And my, my thing is no, like it's gonna take a lot for you to overcome that. And we've seen it just way too much in these early weeks of the season. How about the Patriots?

Why are they able to turn it on sometimes and other time not? They're not a good team. They're not very talented. But they played well and their defense is good. And they really got up for that game. It's a division game and all the things and Mac Jones played probably his best game of the year.

But I mean, like there are certain, like with the Ravens when they've struggled, it's like, oh, I can see where you need to improve. You have the players, it's you're getting used to the system. You've made small improvements. You've worked this one week and the other. When you watch the Patriots, I mean, they're not protecting the quarterback. The receivers weren't really getting open. And the quarterback, when he did have a clean pocket wasn't playing well. He wasn't throwing, making the throws. He wasn't going through his progressions.

And it's like, well, I don't know which way is up for you guys. So every NFL team will have a week with a play well. We'll have a couple of weeks because you're NFL players and you're on scholarship too, as all the coaches would always tell us. But just ultimately, it's not like, oh, they beat the bills. This is the team because honestly, the giant should have beat the bills. Right. Right.

We know the jets beat the bills. Is that Wilson jets? Not the new Zach Wilson jets. They've lost his exact, old Mac Jones, right? Exactly. That's more indicative of, I feel like the bills team. But the Patriots don't seem to have like an easy fix. Like this is going to be them for a little bit.

Yeah. Yeah, or at least until they get Caleb Williams. Yeah. Yeah. That was a bad win though. If you want Caleb, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When you had to lose, that was the easy one. Hawk, it looks like going to the Eagles dolphins game again. It looked like two of struggling against front four from the Eagles. Like that, that pressure was something that they really hadn't seen.

If you look through their wins, they haven't really faced a stout defense of line like they have in Buffalo, which they lost 48-20. And against the Eagles, three starting out, Lyman out. Again, yes, agreed, but still, that's the NFL, right? You're gonna have Lyman out every single week. But Hassan Rettig looked like a man possessed.

He was everywhere, like Miles Garrett out there. He did. But it looked like McDaniel's offense, even though great in pre-stamp movement and amazing where Tyree Hill's always open, if you can't get to a protected against these elite tiered defensive lines, it's going to be the same story where they're going to get to the playoffs, get a team that's red hot on the defensive line and they're not going to be able to really do what they want to do schematically.

I would say it's less of the D line as much as as it is the probably the back half of the defense. And I say that because the office is designed to get the ball out of two his hands. It helps him because it protects him injury-wise from taking hits. But also he's an elite processor. If you give him the option and it's there and won the two progressions, he's firing it. Give him the quick, you know, this linebacker does this, do this. If he does that, do that, right? It's when you get to the third though, right? It's the third one. He starts the panic.

He starts to have happy feet. And that's where it looks like the D line is putting pressure, but the actuality is they did a great job of taking away his first progression and his second progression to the same side of the field. Anytime he had to start to look and scan the field and get, he just gets nervous, right? And, you know, I think that is, I don't wanna say a coaching thing because there's quarterbacks who can do that,

but the way the offense is set up and that's why I love it because Shanahan, McDaniel, if you're going to build an offense, where you're saying, hey, it's on me, I'm going to give you the right answers to the test, then when it doesn't work, it's on them too. And I know McDaniel thinks that way. And so in that game, the Eagles did just a really good job of taking those first couple

away because they know at that moment, too, it can get rattled. And, you know, he won't be as poised trying to find the next answer. I wonder if we're going to get Zany Mike McDaniel after they got their ass kicked. Yeah. There were picks six wins from scoring 10 points. Wait, you don't seem to like Zany Mike McDaniel. No, I love him. It's just I love him after you're winning when you say 70 points. You love him.

I am interested to see what he looked because like it when it's going good, there's no one better on like, I like like on like the mic up stuff where it's like, Hey, I wanted to wear that vest a little ball boy like he does all the stuff when they're five and one. I'm just interested. Well, I don't think you'll get a different version of Mike McDaniel. They had a stretch last year where they lost like five straight. Was he still Zany?

But even his last night's sound, he was still had his vibe to him, but he was definitely like, you know, we got to learn. He started hitting the notes of like, we got to learn from this. And I was just like, oh, which obviously it'd be weird and we thought they're cracking too. It'd be funny for us if he was just the exact same way. Hey guys, well, that's up. Hey, nice shoes.

Next question. Nice shoes. Hey, those new weights so hot. What do you say to dolphin fans who say, Hey, we haven't beaten anyone. We're a different team at home than we are on the road. They're much better at all. Eat the chargers on the road. Yeah, but they'll be the charger. Chargers two and four. Be the Patriot. We'll get to the charges in a second. But dolphin fans are like, Hey, we need a big win against a big team. A big time team. We haven't had it yet. I mean, be patient. I don't know. I mean, he lots of some really big kids. Yeah, exactly. You have, you'll have chances. We'll see.

Part of schedule the rest of the year. Yeah. That's exactly. I feel like the Vikings are about to take off once. I do. I'm looking at their schedule without Justin Jefferson. Well, so they play the 49ers tonight. They're probably not going to win that one. Okay. Right. But the packer, the packers, Pack packers, Falcon Saints, Broncos, Bears, Raiders, they can get high. Bears, a lot about teams in there. There's a lot of bad teams in there. Yeah, the likes are bad team.

Right. I think you get you get you want to know my other take that you love. Please tell them I told that I've said in the past Kirk cousins is a is a first battle hall of famer. That is an idiot takes. It's worse than Jalen. He's not a, he's not a first ballot, uh, pro bowler.

And that's, you know, I, it caught me out. That's the bike. They're taking off. Oh, that was, that was Tony sonar going off. That's what I was waiting for the last time. He did do it. They went through my guy in the bus. You guys met your mentioned Miles Garrett.

Is he the best defensive player in the NFL? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. He's the prototype. He is like, I mean, if you, have you seen Miles Garrett in person? Yeah, he's a good guy. I knew he was a good guy.

He's a good guy. He's really under shoulder. Oh, yeah, it's, it's taking off. He's ridiculous. Even by NFL standards, he's ridiculous's he's as wide as he is tall He doesn't have an ounce of fat on him. He's strong. He's fast like just literally nothing He can't do on a football field the fact that he's able to just jump over a line without touching anyone So you see this workout Billy. It's insane when you have like two 90 pound dumbbells

I drunk like 60 inches on a box We get it. I thought they took off already. What are they? Well, no, now you can take your seatbelt off. Okay, they're at 10,000 feet. You control around the cabin. Oh my God. So the bills, if the bills, all off the thing. Well, do you think that you got things that jets are still in this? He's asking you all these AFC East questions, just trying to get to the Jets, trying to ease massaging you to get to like talking you into saying that the Jets are still in this.

The Jets are taking off, right? No. No. I don't know what's going on with the Jets. I was going to ask you about, no, I was going to ask you about the bills. If you're calling them a fraud, because they haven't done enough with Josh Allen, right? And you're saying Sean McDermott probably is gonna get fired after this season.

I think it's worth the conversation. Really? Okay, because a lot of people don't wanna have that conversation. I don't know when Sean McDermott arrived in the place. I'm down. I'm down. We're gonna have the conversation. We're gonna leave on his own terms.

Get that out of here. I mean, if Bill Belitech can have a bad couple of seasons and we're gonna fire him, right, because he's under achieved, yes, I'll be damned if we don't put Sean McDermott in the conversation. If they continue on like they're playing in this first quarter half, close to half of the season,

yeah, it's worth that. If Josh Allen is who we think he is. If Josh Allen is who we say he is and his defense is what we say they are and Stefan digs is who we say he is. What is the variable here that needs to change the coach. Hey, you said it, brother. Yeah, but but because they've been bad for so long, people don't want to go down that row because they're in Buffalo.

Like I know some bills fans, right? Of course, they're happy. They're happy with McDermott because he's been better than any coach. They've had since more of Levy. I get it, but at every point, it's like, is it McDermott or is it Josh Allen? Right. Eventually, you got to show progress. That's what I tell everyone when they get a job.

You are either... I can give you one of those. Everybody who gets a job. Everybody who gets a job. No, everyone who gets a job. I told you. I told you. I told you.

I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told them this advice as a subscriber to my channel. When you have a job, you are either getting a promotion or you are losing the job. There is no in-between, right? So you are either getting better at your job and climbing the ladder or you are losing

it. Or you're finding a new job by worse and somehow still climb. Like me. Yeah, I'm right there with you. Chris, I don't know. I don't tell people that. You didn I'm right there with you. Chris. I don't know. I don't tell people that Chris. You didn't pay the $4.99 clearly. What do you? You guys are wondering what a hot seat sounds like. Where did you get these sounds? I was trying to find like

fire fire sound. Right. You just have a bank of like fire sounds. The Germans in the hot seat. Man. is Daniel Jones in the hot seat? Is that a cute cubic controversy asking you Chris? You know, yeah, it's quite Ty ride Taylor or is Daniel just taking off that is yeah, what's happening? The Was that up? It's down. Hello! What happened? I just didn't know whether the plan was going up or down there.

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But what? Ketchup? You're on American. VCC Don Lebertar Show with a Stugats. So you asked me if Daniel Jones is on the hot seat and I would say definitely no because wow, okay, kind of like the same reasons Sean Peyton isn't they they've given him too much money. Yeah, right? I mean, they have so much money committed to him that they just can't financially put him on the hot seat yet.

Although he probably should be. Yeah. Who would you rather have as you're starting quarterback Daniel Jones or Ty Rod Taylor? Ty Rod Taylor. Ty Rod Taylor always gets hurt though. That's the thing. That's it.

You'll give you a few games. A lot of times not his fault. The doctor's fucked your fingers long. Ty Rod Taylor is, he is like one of the most peculiar quarterbacks in the league because when you think of them you don't think of how how old he actually is he's been in the league for how many years in a while I don't know that I've tough my head look at up 12 I will 12 years I made that up I

just read out an answer is probably 12 or 13 because he was the backup in Baltimore when I played in for the bangles which was like 10 years ago right so when he's one of those players who you're like, he was drafted in 11. He's a good option. That was my rookie year. Nailed it, Billy.

You know, and it's like, he's a good op, but he's old as hell. He's a great option. Yeah, but he's also old. No, I mean, he's probably better than Daniel Jones. Really? I would, yeah. You're a fire today.

I'm just being honest, man. When you watch that game, I did. They did not seem like he was the better option No, he seems like the better option. Yes, but Daniel Jones They were one of the final eight teams of the playoffs last year like Daniel Jones had some good games down the stretch It was a playoff year, man You know, right? It's like when you need that contract like football have you dig deep? You take off did you dig deeper in a contract you got in a contract. You the focus is next level in a contract. You're oh, that's so great. I like the hot seat sound Chris.

Keep it going because I'm about to ask one about Brandon Stanley. Oh, you cannot like you cannot have that kind of talent. Herbert. Keenan Allen Austin Eckler. Mike Williams when he's healthy. Yeah, he's hurt right now. Yep. You have the guys on defense. You have a Bosa, you have Khalil Mack. You can't be two and four with that kind of talent. Yeah, it's bad. It's bad because they made Dac Prescott look like Patrick Mahomes last week. And Dac Prescott is a good quarterback.

But it wasn't so much about like his stat line where he looked good. If you look at the confidence that Dak Prescott played with, that's always my question with Dak. He's so talented, but it's like he goes into games and does it, he's like the last person to believe and realize how talented he is, but versus the chargers. My man was slicing and diceing,

and every quarterback that plays against the chargers does that, and that's an issue. Beyond what you talk about with Justin Herbert and getting the most out of him, defensively, people are feasting on this defense. And that's supposed to be your thing, you know, so that's my issues. I predicted he'd be fired today. Has he been fired yet? Not yet. Nothing that early.

Nothing. It feels like a day ago. It's early. It was yesterday in Japan. It's a good point. Thank you, Billy. Or it's tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow. Well, it was in Japan.

How, what do you think about the Germany game? Big game between the dolphins and the chiefs. Can we inconvenience the Germans and have the game in prime time here? Fair point. No. Because you're in convenience, the players. And that's that's about to take off. Yeah, that's not going to take off. That take isn't taking off. Wow. Because the players are playing a time. I want to play. Yeah, right. Do you remember years ago we had a segment called the takeoff? Yeah, that has to be where those sounds are from, right? Yeah, 100%.

Who was it? It was you against someone else and you were just trying to get more and more ridiculous hot takes after another one. I think it was me versus Dan. Yeah. And then you would just give a spicy take and then someone else would have to come and out take you. Yes.

That has to be where that sound is from, right? Billy, me and you, the takeoff. Mm. That's on that app though. We'll get to that. Can you do it live on this show? No, no, do it every day. Yeah, I mean, yeah, this is how we interact.

Is there something going on with the Sean Watson? That seems weird, right? Which part that he's not playing well? He's not playing well. He has these injuries and you're kind of wondering like, how severe is this? Could he be playing through this? Could he not like so fansky yesterday just decided like we're pressured to come back when he goes out from the fans.

There is a weird pressure. Yeah. Oh yesterday's fansky just said like, yeah, he was cleared, but I just decided he's our franchise guy. I need to protect him. So he's not coming out. And PJ Walker was doing just fine. Yeah.

No, I mean, that's a, that's a, that's a weird situation. Absolutely. That they can't get out of that they, who is that? They're the brown. I can't get out of it. I mean, you can't. It's very expensive. It's expensive to get out of it.

But even to you know, I'm not sure what they wanted though. It's like you've invested so heavily into this quarterback that you, you know, you got to start reaping the benefits of that sooner or later. So I'm curious of what's the fan's keys kind of strategy is around it because if he's clear to play It should be that this guy gives you the best chance to win right even under whatever the scenarios are and if his shoulder Is so messed up that he doesn't give you the best chance to win then he's not healthy and he shouldn't have been starting in the first place

So it is it is peculiar. I don't know what the answer is but I'll be honest I don't know you guys talked about his shoulder and it just not looking like he's the same quarterback. I don't know if he's in it. He was a top five quarterback in Houston. Like he was. Yes. Yes. Right.

And it just doesn't look the same. Some of those throws, it's like you would rather have PJ Walker out there. So. He's time to find out who has the hot mistake. Please make sure your seats are in the upright position. Jesus. As we prepare for the takeoff. I missed that game.

Thank you. Thank you. Don't be worried. They paid $290 million guaranteed or whatever the contract was for the guy that he was in Houston. Yeah. We haven't seen that guy. Not once.

Not an A game where he throws for 400 yards and four touchdowns. I haven't seen it. Like he used to do routine in Houston. Yeah. We haven't seen that guy. Not once. Not an A game where he throws for 400 yards and four touchdowns. Like he used to do routine in Houston. With a good offense, obviously Nick Chubb before he got hurt. A good offensive line of what's happening to be a great defense. Like this should be set up for the Browns

to make a D playoff run. And DeShon is just not that guy. And that would happen when you just don't play for a couple of years. But it can't be because he missed what a year and a half. Essentially, if you have a serious injury, ACL reconstruction of your Achilles, anything like that, you're gonna be out

for a year and some change. He had like a psychological injury. He had more than that. That's what I mean, he went through a ton, so it's like, it's not surprising. I mean, he's not the victim. No, I'm not saying he's the victim. I'm just saying, it was a wild couple of years form,

so you're seeing the layoff and just everything, it's just not the same. The weird thing about his situation though, is like not just the financials, like they sold their soul for him. They did. Essentially. I would say there probably is some psychological

things going on there to Chris' point, right? Because you play your entire career, right? There are certain players that I've played with. And I would say I was like this a little bit. Like I was always the underdog for obvious reasons. It was a place I was comfortable. I was always, you liked it. I liked it.

People counted me out, zero expectation. I was your champ on your shoulder. I would have hated it. I liked that bar because I'm gonna blow through that shit every time, right? And then I get my contract and now there's expectation. And you handle it and you figure it out, but it is an uncomfortable place to be for people that aren't used to that. Now I would say you think a player is like Baker.

He's very much the same way. The Baker ship. That's what he used to be in the walk on. He used to be in Canada out. So now that you place expectation to have to live up to it, it's hard. The Sean Watson up to that point, he was the saint. He was the guy everybody loved. He was giving his paycheck to the people in the facility.

He was building homes for single mothers, right? And so now, you have to learn to be that guy as the villain when everyone hates you. And even in success, people are going to tell you how terrible you are. There is absolutely a psychological effect to that that I thought so from the beginning. That is going to take a while for him to understand how to operate from that lane.

Interesting. Kobe was the same way. When Kobe's stuff went down, he turned into the mom, That is gonna take a while for him to understand how to operate from that lane. Kobe was the same way. When Kobe's stuff went down, he turned into the mom, but he had to change because it was like, I don't have a choice. So now I just don't give it damn. And that was how he was able to get over the hump. Most players aren't able to click that switch

and go straight up villain, right? Like I'm just gonna be the person you say I am. Psychological situation or not, the psychological part of it doesn't have him throwing lame duck interceptions to defenders. It does though. Yeah, pretty sad.

The game is, I'm saying, the game is more mental than you, it's not just, oh, you're out here. I don't say sports, you're general hawker, more mental than you guys really, you're really good. Oh, yes. Players who were scared to make mistakes

are the worst players. I would always get jealous of the guys in the locker room. And this is a bad way to say this, but they were too dumb to understand the stakes of what was going on. Low awareness. Yeah, because I'm like, yo, if I don't have a good practice, I'm like, it's over for me.

So I got to over prepare. And then there was the guys who, and they're playing so loose that they're falling. They play the best. And I'm like, man, I wish I was so clueless not to understand what was at stake. Like, I gotta feed my family, right? So if you're playing not to make a mistake

or you're playing to be like, if I don't do well, they're gonna say that I'm not worth the contract. Or people are gonna do this and what happens there. And you might act like it's all good and cool. You start to be a little gun shy. It's like, you start to put a little on it. If I think about dropping the pass,

I'm gonna drop the pass. You're gonna drop the pass. If I think that what happens if I don't get open, I'm not gonna get open, right? And so literally in the NFL, it is more psychological than I think even the fans realize. So it's really like, you know,

don't be afraid to fail kind of in braced adversity. It's okay to fail. It's, you gotta be okay. It's actually good to fail. What would help me is I would focus on effort. Right. I'm like the only bar that I have for myself is did I go as hard as I can,

did I prepare as hard as I could? Controlable. Because that's all I can control. If I drop a pass, it is what it is. If I don't get open, it is what it is. If I'm too slow, I can't do nothing about that. Right. You know what I'm saying?

That's hard for people to do because you want to go and you want to be successful and you want to be the guy and you want to show everyone how talented you are. It's just crazy to say, like you were wired in a way that you would think once you're set you're good, you lose all the stress, you can play free and you're the opposite. You needed the stress to thrive and succeed. And it was what I was used to. It's like the chaos of it.

That's what it is. Because there is a lot on your shoulders. You know what I'm saying? Either on the field, off the field, everything. And I would say a lot of NFL players, most are like that. You know, and it was like, you gotta come up with your process and your equation to try to get the best output in your play.

Cause it's not just physical. That's actually such a small portion of it because everyone in the league is so good. You know what I'm saying? Everybody is super fast. Everyone is quick. Everyone is strong. Everyone is elite.

So what is the thing that separates you? You know? So yeah, I would say for DeShon Watson, I knew it was going to be an adjustment for him to try to figure out this new version of where he's coming from. And you see a lot of players that struggle with that like it's it's pressure that that pressure is real It's not just fans yelling. It's like you read the articles and not only you your parents are reading the articles your kids are reading the articles I wouldn't see stuff because I was like, you know, try to tune it out, but I got cousins texting me. Hey, they're saying you might get cut this year So I got a text my cousin back and say hey, don't never text me again. Mm-hmm

Right not a close friend anymore. You're out the close friends. I literally can show you a screen shot from seven years ago that say that, like, hey, don't come to me with this. I have a process because there's a lot of people dependent on me psychologically, get out of my equation.

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