The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: D-R-A-M-A (feat. Jessica Smetana)

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

"We passed Tati's llamas." Jess is here to discuss some huge news in the WNBA regarding Napheesa Collier and Commissioner Cathy Engelbert AND to touch on some key College Football storylines including her September Heisman on October 1. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We have a lot of show to get through here to stuff into the next hour. Greg Cody's show featuring Greg Cody has a great guest this week, one of the best he's ever had. Do you remember what Stugats' ranking was in the top 100 guests of all time of the Greg Cody show featuring Greg Cody? He was a top 10 guest, was he not? Did he not finish in the top 10? Stop looking at your son as if it's his podcast instead of yours. He's the bookkeeper. Like, he knows the top 100 better than I do.

Off the top of my head, I just know it. You have a ranking of guests? Yeah, we, what was it, for our 250th? We have our top 100 guests of all time. It's awesome. I like that. And I think Stugas did rank number eight or something. I think Tony Kornheiser was number one.

Yes, Tony the K, finally got him. Dan, you were in the top 10, too. Don't worry. No, he wasn't. He was 11th. Oh, we did that. That was a bit. Yeah, he was 11th.

I'm sorry, Dan. But, yeah, Sue Goss is on this week. He's always great. I love Stugas. Reviewing Dolphins Jets. What do you say? The number, if you want to give the boost mobile hot take line a little bit better of a hot take than it presently has, it has the name Gots in it, the number. 305-486-486-4689.

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We had the last supper. Good for you, Da Vinci. All right. It's done now. Supper's lame. It's dinner. I want to let you guys know. that if you have a longer name than your nickname, you're doing it wrong.

Games, you can't be Jimmy. George, you can't be Gio. That's more syllables than the original name. Long snappers are the unsung heroes of football teams. I mean, you see kickers miss kicks all the time, but how often do you actually see them on a bad snap? Pay the long snappers. Just water, if they're whatever, name their dog after a athlete that had changed the name,

like OJ or Fav. The term pop blowing, is it a verb, an ad, our adjective. It's a Sean calling from inside my car to hide for my kids. If you are a college, a rank college team, whose fans stolen the field more than once during the season, it should count against your college football ranking. Dan is an elitist.

I think that only one and four o'clock games should end in ties. If it is a primetime game, they play till it ends, like old baseball games, play until the next day for all I care. The quad box is the most overrated thing in sports television. I bought a 60-inch TV. I don't want four 15-inch TVs. Screw you, Scott Hansen. 305-486, Gatz is the number.

Not a good batch, Zaslo. I couldn't agree more, though, with the quad-box take. Like, you can't tell me that you're watching the quad box, and you're actually able to focus on anything that's happening. You're getting snippets of four different games, which means you don't know anything that's happening in any games. We're currently on a quad box right now if you're looking at us. But I actually disagree.

I like the quad box because at least I'm getting four games. The double box, they don't make it bigger. It's like still the size of the quad box, so I'm getting two games smaller. Like at least the four box I feel like I'm watching a lot. The two box, there's so much empty space on my TV. Why can we make these fit on my screen fully? It's annoying.

Give me one show on my TV, please. My wife is the Red Zone Queen. We've got to watch Red Zone around her, and it's just like it's mind-numbing. There's just too much going on at once. No, Red So it's fine because it's just one thing that's happened. Then they take you to another thing. They're not all on your screen. Sometimes there's multiple things on the screen.

They're talking about plays that I don't care about. Who cares about a touchdown on a game I'm not betting on? I don't have any fantasy players in it. You predict every game. I know I do, but I'll find out the score eventually. How are you doing this year, by the way? On my predictions? Yeah.

You know, it's been a little bit of a slow start. Yeah? Yeah, a little bit of a slow start. And PFPI? PFPI, I had a good week. I was 11 and 5 last week. Wow. We vaulted up.

We passed Tatiana's llamas. I think it's just Tati's llamas. You're right. It is Tati's llamas. So we're moving on up like the Jefferson, and we're getting there. Got a bigger issue with Red Zone. Resolution. sucks.

It's 2025 and we're doing this thing in 480P. It looks bad. It doesn't look good. Do you know five years ago in Europe every soccer games in 4K? Every, like, you tune in, you got your 4K packages, you get like two games a weekend. That's 4K. It's ridiculous. I don't know what any of that stuff means.

Do you think Emerson from Draft Kings is hated because everyone was like, I'm going to hate the commercials? And then we were like waiting to see what the commercials are. and then all of a sudden, Emerson pops up on the screen. Like, hey, draft kings, use this code. Hey, go nights, though. Emerson, UCF Knight. You want me to go? I'll go again.

Minor penalty, two minutes, asshole. Silence. He didn't sleep yesterday. How would you put two, Chris? Would you have them, like, be broadcast sideways so that it's... Make it work, TV. Look, that's not for me to figure out. Does the games are...

You know what TV's... lighter than it is tall. They need to make the boxes fit to every TV. There. We will get to Jessica in just a second. We're also going to get to the useless sound montage before the end of the show. It's loaded this week. Before we get to Jessica, though, we've got an active revolt in the WNBA, and it is unusual for a player of the caliber of the excellence of Nefisa Collier to just, scorch management this way in a way that is super eloquent, and we've talked before about the general officiating problem throughout sports. We've talked specifically of the officiating problem in the WNBA, but to go after leadership this way, it is really rare, and she is

speaking. There are a whole lot of players who have spoken up right behind her saying, man, this is just a mess at the top of the WNBA. I want to be clear, this conversation is not about winning or losing. It's about something much bigger. The real threat to our league isn't money. It isn't ratings or even missed calls or even physical play. It's the lack of accountability from the league office. Since I've been in the league, you've heard the constant concerns about officiating, and it has now reached levels of inconsistency that plague our sport and undermine the integrity in which it operates. Whether the league cares about the health of the players is one thing, but to also not care about the product we put on the

floor is truly self-sabotage. The league has a buzzword that they've rolled out as talking points for the CBA as to why they can't pay the players what we're worth. That word is sustainability. But what's truly unsustainable is keeping a good product on the floor while allowing officials to lose control of games. Fans see it every night. Coaches, both winning and losing, pointed out every night in pre-game and post-game media. Yet leadership just issues fines and looks the other way. They ignore the issues that everyone inside the game is begging to be fixed. That is negligence. At unrivaled this past February, I sat across from

Kathy and asked how she planned to address the officiating issues in our league. Her response was, will only the losers complain about the refs? I also asked how she plan to fix the fact that players like Caitlin, Angel, and Paige, who are clearly driving massive revenue for the league are making so little for their first four years. Her response was, Caitlin should be grateful

she makes $16 million off the court, because without the platform that the WMBA gives her, she wouldn't make anything. And in that same conversation, she told me, players should be on their knees thanking their lucky stars for the media rights deal that I got them. That's mentality driving our league from the top. The league believes it succeeds despite its players, not because of them. There's more to that. She said more.

You can hear her a little breathy, a little nervous. This has to be something that is nerve-wracking. She was on South Beach sessions and was excellent, far more relaxed than this. But she's doing something here to Kathy Engelbert, who a lot of people have a complaint about, the commissioner of the league and you can you can hear the nerves in her voice a little bit i have the privilege of watching my husband run a league where he has to balance a hundred different things at once i won't pretend the job is easy but even with all of that on his plate he always takes the time to reach out to players when he sees an injury whether it's unarrivaled or even during the

wmba season that is what leadership looks like it's the human element it's basic integrity and it's the bare minimum any leader should embody this year alone i've gotten calls text and well wishes from so many players across the league. But do you know who I haven't heard from? Kathy. Not one call, not one text. Instead, the only outreach has come from her number two telling my agent that she doesn't believe physical play is contributing to injuries.

That is infuriating. And it's the perfect example of the tone-deaf, dismissive approach that our leaders always seem to take. I've finally grown tired. For too long, I have tried to have these conversations in private, but it's clear there is no intention of accepting there's a problem. The league has made it clear. It isn't about innovation.

it isn't about collaboration, it's about control and power. I've earned this platform and I've paid the price to get here, and now I have a responsibility to speak on behalf of the fans and everyone in this league that deserves better. Our leadership's answer to being held accountable is to suppress everyone's voices by handing out fines. I'm not concerned about a fine. I'm concerned about the future of our sport.

At some point, everyone deserves to hear the truth from someone who I hope has earned the benefit of the doubt to fight for what is right and fair for our athletes and our fans. We have the best players in the world We have the best fans in the world But right now we have the worst leadership in the world If I didn't know exactly what the job entailed Maybe I wouldn't feel this way

But unfortunately for them I do We serve a league that has shown They think championship coaches and Hall of Fame players Are dispensable and that's fine It's professional sports But I will not stand quietly by And allow different standards to be applied at the league level Wow, that's monumental to me

I mean she is leading With the support of the players she is leading a mutiny against the commissioner of a major league, and she's doing it at a time when the league is on its biggest stage in the playoffs, about to go into the finals. This would be the equivalent of Patrick Mahomes openly leading a mutiny against Roger Goodell. This cannot be understated how important it is. Okay, so first of all, this league is wild.

In general, it is a wild league. I don't know any other league in professional sports in North Carolina. America, it's nonstop drama with this league. It's, it's pretty crazy. And we've never, at least I don't think we've ever seen something like this where a player, certainly as high profiles in the Fisa Collier, is calling essentially for the removal of the commissioner. Now, I do think it's important to point out they're in the middle of a labor dispute. And, you know, essentially the players here are saying, we don't want to deal with her anymore, you know, who is the negotiating head of the owners here. But some of the quotes that she put out or some of the

things that she says there that Kathy Engelbert told her one time are pretty nuts. Like the idea that Caitlin Clark should be grateful for the WMBA because otherwise she wouldn't be able to make all of the money elsewhere sounds like a really terrible thing for Kathy Engelbert to go around saying to people. I don't want to hear that it's, she was having a private conversation. Kathy Engelbert's not friends with the players. Like she's the commission. She's the commissioner. So anytime she's speaking to a player, you're speaking as a representative of the WMBA and as commissioner. So I don't care about that part. It's not like she's out there snitching on Kathy Engelbert, okay? I do want to point out, though, she mentions, you know, she knows what

it's like to run a league because my husband runs a league and I see all this. Her husband runs unrivaled. All right. Like, I think it's important to point that out as well, which is, hey, you know, she's a terrible leader, but my husband who runs the league, that you know we're doing over here I do think it's important to point out the possible conflict of interest when it comes to that but man like that was

a hit she put out on Kathy Engelbert I've never heard anything like that yeah I think the drama in the NBA is good I think Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark having this big rivalry is great for the league but it's all up and they can

the officiating is what's current right now but the under I think it's been the biggest story in the league this year. Yes, but the underpinning of the whole thing continues continues to be the salaries and the disparity. And it's what got Brittany Griner arrested in Russia a few years ago. And the disparity continues. Even though the wages are going up, it's still terrible. And the NBA, which is involved financially in the WNBA, needs to do appreciably more, appreciably more than it is doing.

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Certainly not from your lovely grandfather, God. May a soul rest in peace. This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. I do think we're going to bring in Jess here. She hosts the Echoes podcast with Mike Golick. And this week they have Jeremiah Love on because this is not, not an echo chamber. They celebrate all things Notre Dame football. One of the reasons that the officiating is the big story is because it's easy for us to talk about the officiating and not necessarily ACE's fever game five.

or Phoenix Mercury. I know Zaz is watching the WNBA very closely. You and I, Greg, are not. It's easier for us to talk about macro topics. But Jessica, what did you make of what it is that Nefisa Collier did and said there? I thought that it was obviously like the officiating angle is what has been a big part of the conversation this season.

But I really think that was only a way, an entry point for her because of what happened at the end of the links game on Sunday night. I think that obviously the bigger takeaway here is that the players in the league are in this labor dispute and they feel like Kathy Engelbert has been a truly terrible leader at a time in which, like Greg mentioned, the WMBA is on its biggest stage, has the most viewers in history and needs a leader who's able to actually work with the players and get them the things that they need.

And instead, Kathy Engelbert has done a lot of things that the players feel like have been wrong by them. So, I mean, there are all the examples that you heard that she gave, but there's also just been like these silly faux paws that she's made like last year wearing the New York skyline dress to the end of the finals game where the Liberty won in another controversial, uh, end of game officiating situation and pronouncing names wrong of coaches that she's giving awards to, things like that. So I really think that this is a bigger thing. And to talk about unrivaled for a second, like, yeah, she's saying her husband. He's, I believe the president of unrivaled. Obviously, she's biased towards that, but Nefisa Collier is one of the founders of Unrivaled. So she herself knows how to run a league. She's been in meetings with brands and with television networks. And she knows that when you want to get things done, if you actually want to get something done, it's a little bit easier than maybe the WMBA leadership has led on to.

Like, I think private jets is a great example of that. Apparently, there are these huge setbacks, huge hurdles to flying charter flights to games, games until all of a sudden there wasn't because eventually the WMBA decided that was something they actually wanted to do. I'm sure that there's other examples of that too, right? But Nefisa Collier in her experience has found that actually the, you know, some of these things when you actually want to get them done and do them for the players are a little bit easier than they may be letting on to. And of course, the uniqueness of all of this is because of the ownership structure in the WMBA. I mean, Kathy Engelbert is appointed by, at

I believe she is sort of a scapegoat here. I don't think she's doing anything that the NBA doesn't want her to do. So I do believe that this is a problem that's bigger than she is. But as this ongoing labor negotiation is it's going to stretch on and the players believe that they are very far ways away from having any sort of agreement with management, I think that this is a very calculated move to, especially to get all of the fans on board together against management, against a common opponent and to explain that, hey, we want to give you guys high-level basketball. We want an entertaining product. We want all of the fans to understand that this isn't because the players are stuck in their ways.

This is because there's a lot of forces against us right now trying to prevent those things from happening. Jess, is it slightly bad form, though, for the timing of this statement from her? Because I'm sure the league and what's best for the league would be all eyes on. We now have a matchup in the WMBA finals. But the biggest story by far is what Nefisa Collier said yesterday. No, I don't think so because I think that, if anything, I think this will get people interested in the WMBA in general because this is such a, I mean, I think this could legitimately be like a paradigm shifting moment in the WMBA,

especially there was reporting that came out last night in Sports Business Journal that Kathy Engelbert was not going to proceed after the negotiation and she was going to step down anyway. So, I mean, for there to be a leadership change at this point, I think is a pretty big story. but I don't think that this takes away from, I'm curious, I'm sure the ratings were huge because the fever have gotten huge ratings all season long, even without Caitlin Clark. But I'm sure the ACE's fever game probably still had a ton of viewers, even though it was on too late. And I might have dozed off a little bit because it ended after midnight. It went into overtime.

But it was still really exciting games as. And now the finals go to seven games if, you know, if needed. So I don't think that this really takes away from that. If anything, I think it's getting people, especially fans, like really interesting. invested in what is going to come here what did you take away from aces fever game five and just in general the weird route that the aces took back to the finals it was it was a it was a lot dan i mean and also another game where a lot of people are going to talk about the officiating because alia boston filed out um and some people thought that it was a little tickey tack a little

ticketack considering what you know the physicality level has been in some of these other series so especially even in that series. So yeah, it was awesome. I thought to see the fever make it that far because they've had so many injuries this season. Like player after player after player season ending injury, I thought they fought really hard. And the fact that they took it to overtime was crazy. I mean, it would have been really cool to see them make it to a final given the just insanity of the season that they've had. I'm sure their fans are exhausted right now. But it was just a really exciting game. I mean, high-level play from Jackie Young and Asia Wilson, who's obviously the MVP of the league. She just is so good and just awesome.

And the Aces, despite not having a front court that can really score a lot and contribute a lot, has somehow made it back to the finals after a season in which they lost in a historic blowout fashion midway through the summer. Like, every, I saw like Asia Wilson, I think said last night that people counted us out. And a lot of people rolled their eyes at that and were like, no one counted you out. You're the Aces. counted them out. I didn't think they were going to be back in the finals. I thought that this season, like, nothing was going their way. So, yeah, they were able to dig deep and pull it off

there. And, you know, it's going to be an exciting finals between them and the Mercury. They're kind of two completely different teams, but it's going to be, I think it's going to be good basketball. I want to talk some college football here with Jess. I want, Greg, did you have any opinions on what happened with Colorado and Dion Sanders and just the general crassness that we're seeing from crowds that range from the Ryder Cup to the Colorado stadium crowd. Yeah, I mean, Colorado's been fined $50,000 because a number of their fans were chanting F. The Mormons when they played BYU. And it's just, it's crude, it's crass, it's embarrassing. And what happened at the Ryder Cup at Bethpage in New York was worse. They were chanting the F word directly at Rory McElroy. And it seems to be,

I don't know whether it's political climate or what. I don't want to get too macro on this, but there's just a degradation of civility and sportsmanship at sports events. And I really, really think it's sad. And I like that they're fining teams because their fans chant all this, and there have been repercussions from what happened at the Ryder Cup. But it really needs to stop. It's just so crude and rude.

Let's hear Dion Sanders apologizing for the behavior of Colorado students. Let me mention this. and Rick might not want me to mention. I know it was an incident at the conclusion of the game or whatsoever. On behalf of CU, on behalf of our athletic department, we would like to apologize to our opponents from a week ago for whatever derogatory statements were made by our fans. That's not indicative of who we are.

Our student body, our kids are phenomenal. So don't indict us just based on a group of young kids that probably was intoxicated in high simultaneously. maybe I shouldn't have said that as well but the truth will make you free but BYU we love you we appreciate you and we support you I mean Colorado they probably

Colorado you can smoke as much as you want wherever you want I've heard him talk about it like every second quarter I don't know what's going on in this stadium Jessica what were your thoughts of Dion and everything that happened there you know my thoughts are that the best apologies are honest ones and maybe he was

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Speaking of crassness, what about the pit players jumping the Louisville ball ball ball ball. boy. What happened there? Dude, that was so bad. Yeah, it was it was crazy. I don't know if you saw the video, Dan, but yeah, the pit players were trying to get, well, so this is the Louisville ball person. I don't know. Do we call them ball boys when they're adults? Probably not. But he was trying to recover the football because in college football, and David Ubin wrote a story about this for the athletic. So you are responsible for the footballs that your offense uses throughout a game. And when you're away, you want to make sure you get all your footballs back. So he was trying to make sure he got his football back after a pit interception there and the pit player was trying to

like do like a crossover thing with it and I don't know what he was going to do it maybe try to keep it or something so the ball person was doing his job there trying to make sure he got his football back and there's been other instances in the past where ball people have tried to get their footballs back while the offense or whoever you know the away team is trying to get it back from them but this this one got particularly uh spicy dan so I encourage people to look to read that article because it was very interesting. And this guy from Louisville, I think his name is Zephian Wade. He takes his job very seriously.

And I have to commend him for this effort here. I don't like what they did to him. No, me neither. That was a bad scene. And everybody was like wondering what was going on there. Jess, you're familiar with the market. And I am a veteran of a lot of bad crowds at a pro football stadium for an ACC football game. That crowd for Pitt versus Louisville was as bad as I've ever seen for an.

ACC conference game. I don't know if it's a bright yellow seats, but that was pitiful. What's going on over there? I don't know. I'm going to a game at Pitt later this year, and I am scared. One of the probably worst experience, that wasn't my phone, by the way, one of the worst experiences I've had as a college football fan was leaving Hinesfield, now Acresher Stadium after Notre Dame lost to Pitt in, I believe, 2013. And it was just a terrible and humiliating experience, Dan. And it was made worse by the fact that all of the people heckling me were also Steelers fans. And I was going back to Hinesfield the next day for a Steelers game.

And I was trying to be like, hey, guys, I'm on your team, sort of. Like, be nice. I'm a Steelers fan, but everyone was very angry and it was very upsetting. I don't know what's going on. I mean, people have general theories about fans being worse now post-COVID and people not knowing how to behave in public and things like that. I think that maybe we just shouldn't have sporting events in Long Island. There's a lot of things contributing here.

I was talking in terms of attendance. That crowd was real thin. I know Pitt, you know, it's never great when you're playing in a pro stadium for a college football program. But that was bad. Yeah, I mean, they should have never torn down Pitt Stadium, Mike. What can I say? Actually, speaking of Pittsburgh, I have a little Forbes Field, another forgotten stadium up in the corner of my bedroom right there. put it on the poll please at lebitard show should we stop having sporting events in long island i watched your fighting irish your beloved fighting irish against arkansas they toyed with them

double reverses with a pass off of a punt from their own 20 yard line just fooling around because arkansas is terrible so terrible that they're thinking about bringing bringing bobby petrino back which seems truly insane put up the pictures there i want to know who it is that jessica thought won this particular contest between the Patrino outfits of me and Lucy Rodin here where we impersonated Bobby Petrino after he wrecked his motorcycle her red face

seems a little bit better. Hers was scarier. Someone after the show actually texted me and was like, is Lucy okay? I saw she got in an accident. So I'm going to have to go with Lucy there. Yeah, so Bobby Petrino was hired as the offensive coordinator, or last year, I

want to say, and now he's the interim head coach because Sam Pitman was fired after the Notre Dame game. Some people were saying, Dan, that maybe Bobby Petrino was sabotaging Arkansas's offense during the game knowing that he would be named interim if Sam Pittman was fired. I don't think that was the case. I think Notre Dame just played better on defense than they have all season. But I do think it's crazy because this is like one of the first sports, like college football scandals that I really remember. Like it was at an age where I could actually process how bad of a situation. this was like there was lying involved there was obfuscation involved there was just cheating involved like

it was so nasty and the fact that they even brought him back as a coordinator was pretty shocking to me but i was like okay i mean i guess you know second chances question mark it just felt like it was so embarrassing for the university that i'm just still sort of surprised that this all happened but i guess you know maybe i shouldn't be it's 2025 no one has shame anymore i hate when obfuscation happens too. Are you someone who feels like she knows what Alabama is? I think we'll find out against Vanderbilt, Dan. I think if we watch them defensively hold up against these type of offense Vanderbilt runs, I think that that will bode well for Alabama as a team. I will also say, I was listening to your conversation about quad boxes.

the Oregon Penn State game in one box and the Alabama-Georgia game in the other box first time in a while I've been like I feel like I'm missing a lot from this Alabama-Georgia game and I feel like I should have gone full-screen with that one at least in the first half because that first half of that Oregon Penn State game was so freaking boring. Actually I was watching with Taylor

we watched the first half at a bar, didn't really miss much but we were watching the Alabama-Georgia game on our phone and yeah felt like that would have been that would have been the first half to watch full screen how did that poll come back asking earlier this week has Penn State 17 to 3 deficit felt insurmountable since 1986 because once they got that it really was surprising to me that Penn State got back into that game not that they lost it obviously but that they even tied it it was how they got back too like that very quick drive a couple nice passes like it was very surprising to me too Dan. And it kind of makes you wonder, like, was the game plan too conservative from the jump? And is that, I mean, I guess that is sort of the criticism of James Franklin, is that like he is just too conservative sometimes, even when his team is good and it doesn't put them in a position to win these games, especially when you're going against a very aggressive head coach like Dan Lanning. I wish I sent you guys the video of Dan Lanning that I posted over the weekend because he was unhinged. It was a video from an Oregon beat reporter who ran onto the field after the game ended. And Dan Lannning is screaming like into the sky. And it is terrifying.

But yes, Dan, it was not just that they came back. It was the way they came back I thought was impressive. And then overtime happened. Man. Diego Pavia was your September Heisman winner. What's your Heisman looking like right now? Who do you have? I mean, this is obviously huge for Diego Pazen.

Why wouldn't it still be Diego? No, no, October frontrunner. Who's getting the invite to New York as of right now in your rankings? Okay, first of all, it's like 11 a.m. on October 1st. So you've given me 11 hours, and there hasn't even been a game yet. By the way, wearing my first sweater of fall, happy fall, y'all. It's soup season, Mike. Second of all, I really like JKS if we're going the quarterback route, Cal's quarterback.

He had an electric fourth quarter performance against Boston. in college last week. There's been a lot of talk and chatter about how the first round hopeful quarterbacks in college football this year have been disappointing. Drew Allar, Garrett Nussmeyer, Arch Manning. Kate Klubnick. I'm forgetting. Kate Klobnik, yes, that's who I was forgetting. Now, do I think that there's any correlation between the four of them? I'm not sure. I think they all have been bad for different reasons, possibly. In Drew Alar's case, I don't think he's ever been that great in big games. In Arch Manning's case, maybe he's just not the guy.

I mean, you know, he's how old, 21 now? He's waited a couple of years to play. It's not like he's a true freshman or anything like that. Garrett Nussmeyer also could be injured. So like I'm willing to, I'm willing to wait on that one. K. K. Klubnick, I feel like there's too much going wrong with Clemson's offense that I can't diagnose it. He doesn't seem like he can read a defense. They don't seem like they're putting him in a good position.

It's just been a terrible season for Clemson. But have fun at that game, Zaz. Now, my larger point is, as disappointing as I think those four quarterbacks have been, there have been so many surprises, Ty Simpson being one of them this past weekend. CJ Carr, of course, I am a Notre Dame fan, so I have to mention him, has been way better and way better than anyone expected, frankly. Really good player. And, of course, the Cal freshman has been great.

Dante Moore, who's not a young player, but has now gotten a second chance playing with some experience under his belt, I thought was really good in that Penn State game too. So I would not let that the big name disappointment sort of cloud your judgment of what the quarterback situation is currently like in college football. I think, you know, there's a lot of players that are really exciting. And so that being said, October Heisman field is wide open right now. Don't think she mentioned Trinidad Chambliss. Yes, Trinidad Chambliss. My father pronounces Ole Miss when he reads it.

Love that. Who is better? Ole Miss or Texas Tech? Oh, give the edge to Ole Miss right now, but Trinidad Chambliss, another player, Dan, didn't, where did he come from? Ferris State? He was not on my radar before the season started. Him, between him, Dante Moore, C.J. Carr, Bryce Underwood, something's going on in Michigan. These Michigan quarterbacks, they have over, perhaps not overperformed, but they have met expectations this year. do you have any bad news for mike ryan u mfsu this weekend no but reuben bain could be on the on the heisman october heisman watch list mike i know uh you are 100% right about virginia and florida state that was a a massive upset on friday night and it had monster friday night ratings

unfortunately the thursday and friday night slate this week it's not it's not what you want dan It's underwhelming, but there is baseball, and there is basketball, and there is NFL football, of course. But I don't think we're going to see any crazy Friday night upsets, unfortunately. We've got to get Bain and your Heisman category just for you to dust off your impression. What impression? There hasn't been a more dominant player in college football, but that's not what the award goes out to usually. And it also doesn't go to anyone other than quarterbacks like ever, so don't get your hopes up. Aiden Hutchinson is probably the best comp.

He finished second, and Miami needs to have that kind of season that Michigan had for Ruben Bay to make it. And the women in the WMBA are very dramatic. Unlike the NBA, which has an entire meme called This League dedicated to it. It's only the W that's dramatic. She hosts the Echoes podcast. I knew when you said dramatic. We were all feeling. We were like a finger-ey-eyed.

There it is. I didn't do it. As soon as you said it. They also love money. This league loves drama. She hosts the Echoes. podcast and Jeremiah Love, he's pretty good. He needs to stop jumping over people who's going to hurt himself.

Dan, if you're watching that Arkansas game, you saw, he's hitting the spin move now. All right? Whatever the button that is on the controller, he's not hitting jump. He's hitting spin now. He needs to do spin. Jumping up and down is going to get him really hurt, and I like to watch him run. Thank you, Jessica. Nice seeing you.

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