The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Dave Doesn't Know Any Mariah Carey Songs (feat. Sara Civian)

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

"I think people struggle with the fundamental element of hockey being played on ice." Sara Civian of Bleacher Report and the Too Many Men podcast joins the show to discuss everything that has happened since the US men's hockey team took home the gold medal in Milan, and the restart of the NHL season. Will the Stanley Cup Champions have an asterisk if they don't have to go through the Florida Panthers? Was Jeremy Swayman's apology to the women's team sufficient? Then our discussion of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees devolves into signing Dave Mariah Carey songs because he somehow didn't know any Mariah Carey songs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is the Dan Levatore show with the Stucats podcast. You read her on Bleacher Report. She is one of the hosts of the Too Many Men podcast. She is Sarah Sivian. Sarah, hello. How are you today? Oh, I'm fabulous now. How are you guys?

So help us out here with a conversation we were having earlier. You know, you got putting the politics part aside with Team USA winning. But USA, Canada, massive rock. No matter what. Is there a scenario, like, could Connor Hallibuck, who was amazing and won the gold medal, is there a scenario where the home crowd could wind up booing him when he's introduced? I think so, and it's not just because of the politics, right? It's because the amount of times he wasn't able to do exactly what he did in the playoffs,

whether it's his fault or not. I do have problems with the way the Winnipeg Jets are structured. But beyond that, I think Jets fans are really full. frustrated the way this season has gone and they're kind of frustrated with the opportunities lost when they had a heart trophy winning goalie. What about Austin Matthews? Like same situation, right, where not winning big in the playoffs wins a gold medal as the captain. Could they boo him? Yeah, they boo their own quite often. So I'd say they're more likely to do. And they already got the headlines coming out that he's a traitor. So it is what it is in Toronto as always. The conversation is going

to be whether Connor McDavid likes it or not, whether or not he can make a Stanley Cup run with his pals up there in Edmonton this springtime, and especially coming off of losing the gold medal game, what sort of odds do you put on their ability in what feels like a top-heavy Campbell conference? I'm not going to call it the West. It seems like there are a couple real heavy ways. But you know, by saying that Campbell and then saying you're not going to call it the West, you are calling it. You're right. I'm being cute. I'm being self-aware. But nevertheless. Sarah, how say you? Nevertheless, that's going to, the current playoff format is going to sting them there because

you look at how hard it is to get out of the West, right, with the central division, the top three there. But then again, they might eat each other alive in the first round. So I think that actually might give the Oilers in the Pacific a better shot, but they have to get past, of course, the Golden Knights. Then there's a few younger teams coming up. I don't know. The Kings are kind of flailing in there without Fiala now.

So I think McDavid, I mean, he's so motivated to get it done. He has that bridge deal. I could see it happening at the same time. The goaltending, it's improved since Skinner's gone, but can you really say that? Has it, though? Has it done better with Tristan Jari, with whom I'm quite familiar? Yeah, right. I think it was a decent change of scenery, but I don't have a lot of confidence in him getting to a Stanley Cup and winning it, right?

So with the season starting back up last night following the Olympic break, you got some of the Team USA players have spoken, have been talked, have talked about the whole, you know, the controversy surrounding the joke about the women's national team and Trump on the phone when they're celebrating. Let's give this a listen here. Here's goalie Jeremy Swamen talking about how they probably should have reacted differently to that phone call and joke. We should have reacted differently. We know that we are so excited for the women's team. We have so much respect for the women's team. And to share that gold medal with them is something that we're forever grateful for. And, you know, now that we're home, we get to share that together forever and see the incredible support that we have from the USA and sharing this incredible gold medal. Sarah, your thoughts there.

Yeah, that's all we needed, right? You kind of just wanted one apology, one admittance of, hey, we should have handled that differently. No one was saying they were even, I mean, I guess there were some really intense reactions, but like people are just a little fed up with this whole, it's a joke thing. So I think just admitting, hey, the joke was in bad taste and now it has spawned this whole conversation. What Swayman did helps kind of quiet that and get the focus back on how dominant these two USA teams are and how much they deserve to actually be celebrated. Well, Trump in the state of the union said that he's going to invite the women's team to the White House.

Do you think they will accept that invitation? No, I think they're focused on positivity, right? I think the statement some of them made while they might, they weren't extremely negative. I think that was by design. I think it was kind of, hey, we want to party with flavor, flame, right? He celebrated us, go where you're wanted, not where you're tolerated. Okay, so with that said, U.S. women's hockey captain is Hillary Knight. Here she is on Trump's comments.

No, I just thought the joke was distasteful and unfortunate. And I think just the way women are represented, it's a great teaching point to really shine light on how women should be championed for their amazing feats. And now I have to sort of sit, and anybody has to sit in front of you and explain someone else's behavior. It's not my responsibility. So.

But what is a shift. the focus and shifting the narrative of this amazing accomplishment that we all did together. And granted the men's and the women's team did it together and that is super special. It's never been done in our program's history. It's something we're extremely proud about. But these women are amazing and whatever is going on should never outshine or minimize their work and our success on the world stage. This was the best American women's hockey team, the best American team we've ever put together

on a world stage when the lights have been the brightest ever. And so I think everybody felt that, you know, going through the tournament. And I want to celebrate. I want people to be remembered for that. I want the legacy of this team to be remembered. And so that's what I'm trying to, you know, shift the narrative on and really focus and championing what we've done and what we've accomplished the last two and a half weeks together. So, Sarah, you're obviously a huge hockey fan.

When the joke was made in the locker room, the players laughed. your immediate reaction was what? Just sick of it, right? I mean, you don't want this to get political, right? And it was like we were all enjoying and unified as a country, enjoying this moment and the dominance and kind of we did it for the first time in 46 years to the day. And then they let the FBI director in the locker room.

And this happens, right? Because the director, Cash Patel, was kind of using this as a political moment to make it that, right? And I don't know if Team USA understands that's what happens. So that's why they are saying, hey, we didn't want this to get political. This isn't about politics. I genuinely believe that they didn't want that to happen. But regardless of if they understand it or not, it did.

So it was really frustrating to see that. Hi. I feel, oh, man, coming at you, Cash. So let me ask you, Sarah, I feel like we do this. Now, all of us here, big hockey fans, all right? So we get it. We're watching the games. It's the greatest sport.

It's so much fun. The players love it. The players care. It's what separates it from the other sports, in my opinion. But I wonder, we had the Four Nations face off last year. And everyone's like, oh, my God, this is so amazing. I didn't realize how great hockey is. And then you have the Olympics.

Oh, my God, this is so great. I didn't realize how great hockey is. When are we going to get to the point that all those people who didn't realize how great hockey is? Like that, the NHL and hockey now actually, you know, ascends in this country. if we're all acknowledging how amazing the sport is. I will say, I mean, to a sports fan that is a fan of other sports except hockey, I think the frequency of hockey is a lot and kind of, you look at the games, they're not all best on best, right?

And there's 82 of them. And there's kind of the, maybe the rules with overtime. I'd see a little change in that could be helpful where it's like more than ever this season teams are chasing a loser point. The third period is an absolute dud. I think switching that up a little bit might honestly help. I think people struggle legitimately with the fundamental element of hockey being played on ice. I sincerely believe that we forget that for long stretches of time, years on end even,

that it's like whatever the activity is like also, yeah, here take a stick and then hit the circle into the net thing. Also, do it on skates. Every activity would be much more difficult if you had him do that. Talk about, though, the guys wearing the skates on the banks of the three rivers. No 87 for the next four weeks or so. What chances do you give them of surviving a gauntlet of a March schedule? My goodness, I mean, you saw even the best of the best offense in Team Canada kind of fall apart without their leader, right? The way they were playing with Crosby was significantly different than without Crosby.

And I think, unfortunately, for Pittsburgh, you're going to see a little bit of that unless you get some stepping up, but this team was never really meant to, I mean, Malkin has been amazing, right, this season too. So maybe you'll see him kind of pick up the slack in one of his last seasons. I don't know, but it's going to be really tough without Crosby, who was leading the team before he got injured. It really stinks that this is the case. And I'm sure he's more frustrated than anyone, but we saw that video of him taping a youth hockey player stick yesterday. So he's just one of the best people ever. And I hope he has a speedier recovery, but it's not looking like that. And of course, they're right in the mix in the playoffs and nobody thought they'd be. So

kudos to him, but we'll see what happens. They're loaded up in the forward group at minimum. Sarah, everybody, when I try to make a hockey point, they point and laugh at me. So I'll turn to your expert insight instead. I contend that if John Cooper were given a choice before the gold medal game, give me the players that are essential to you to have dressed for this game. I think he would have gone Kail McCar, 1, and Crosby 2, before. he gets to McDavid or anyone else. How say you, Mike Ryan, disagrees with that opinion? I think Macklin-Colabrini was so fast in the three-on-three if we're talking about that. I think you need the speed. I think...

Oh, no, I'm talking about just dressing, period, for the game. Crosby, you think he should have, like... I think if he had a choice, I think it was a death now for the Canadians to say we don't have our captain available for this big game. I think this is one of the hardest questions I've ever been asked because I kind of, in retrospect, in retrospect since they lost, I'm going to say yes. But at the same time, I think Crosby would do everything humanly possible to play. So the fact that he didn't means that he really couldn't, you know, and he would have been a detriment to the team. The Maple Leafs return home on Saturday against Ottawa.

What do you think, Austin Matthews, the reception is going to be for him? Oh, it's tricky. I don't think there, I think the Leafs fans. right now want a playoff push and they are in a position where they could have a good trade deadline and could make a playoff push, I think, I think they're going to rally behind their captain who is playing quite well for them before the break. But I think in general, in Canada, it seems like a lot of angry people. So I'm very curious to see what the reception is Canada-wide, right? But I think people, I think if any of the teams don't make the playoffs,

It's going to be a lot of retrospective booze. I'm not sure if the booze are going to rain down quite yet during these playoff races. Sarah, let me ask you something really important here. If a team wins the Stanley Cup this year, but they didn't have to play and beat the Florida Panthers because the Panthers missed the playoffs, should there be an asterisk? Oh, we're already doing the Carolina Hurricanes asterisk, aren't we? That gives them a clear path finally without the big bad Panthers. So I think, no, I think these guys.

guys, it's just a testament to a late, delayed cup hangover that all of the injuries. But guess what? They reported today that everybody's healthy and ready to make this trip except, or at least ready to make the upcoming road trip except Barkov and he will be skating in a few weeks. So maybe the Panthers sneak back in and annoy us all again. Do you expect Matthew Kuch to be skating with a hangover tonight? Oh, I got emotional. I get very emotional.

Cut that one. But I think about Matthew Kuch, I get very emotional. Bad move. Strike. Nothing makes me more patriotic than Matthew Kachuk partying at elbow room. Genuinely, that's how I want him to handle this. So I say he's deserved the hangover. And I think nobody plays hurt better than him. So I don't care.

Bring on the hangover. Dave, how about we introduce Sarah to our new game, hockey player or prescription? Sarah knows it's a global sport. She understands the Scandinavian names have really jazzed up the sport. Let's do that. A lot of them sound like prescription drugs, Sarah. You're an expert on the NHL.

Let's see if I can dupe you here. Cobenfi. Cobenfi. Prescription. Hold on. Blackcox goaltender, Zach Cabenfi, or schizophrenia treatment,

Kobenfi. That's going to be a schizophrenia treatment for sure. Imagine what could be. Cobenfi. We've really crossed the line when we're doing positive jingles about schizophrenia. And yet I still want to be the people in the commercial because their lives appear to be much better than mine is. Well done, Sarah. While you sit and watch, Chris Cody's having a tough morning so far here.

Anybody who remembers the Lions knows what I'm talking about here. Quickly, Sarah, you can coach him here. The answer is Paraco. Paraco. Sizable St. Louis Blues defenseman, culting. Pereco or chronic bronchitis treatment, Pereco. I think a lot of people on that roster are suffering from bronchitis,

from how terrible this season has gone. But that is, in fact, a blues defenseman. All right, let's hear what Chris thinks. Lions. Wow, it is a Blues defenseman. Excellent job. That's a good game, Dave. All right.

Hockey player. Good music, too. Yeah, you pat yourself on the back for that one. Sarah Sivian, you can check her out on Bleacher Report and the Too Many Med podcast. And she has a substack, the Siv Report. Good talking to you, Sarah. Great name. One more question quickly.

Sarah, who's the biggest name that's going to be moved at the trade deadline? Ooh, I mean, it was already Quinn Hughes. That doesn't count. I'm going to go Vincent Trocheque. Former, former Panther. Where? Where do you think? To the wild.

I mean, Bill Garren. has seen enough. All right. Good job, Sarah. Thanks for hanging out. Thanks, Sarah. Anytime. Thanks so much for having me.

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Limited time offer. Don Lebertard. I saw a post on Twitter yesterday how the Toronto Maple Leafs that they won the division. Guess what? It's been two years and that's two years too long. Stugats.

You can take that ass too. Oh, we're taking two asses. This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugats. Did you guys see this? I think a couple days ago, maybe a day ago, two days ago. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame announced their nominees for the year 2026 of our Lord. And I did not know that we are still doing the thing where, hold up, these groups or musicians or singers, it's not. not rock music. So why are they being inducted potentially to the rock and roll hall of

favor? Like I thought, like for instance, some of the names on here, Mariah Carey, uh, Lauren Hill, uh, new edition. Shadeh. Like these are not pink. These are not rock acts. But I, I thought we had this conversation like years ago. We're doing it again? I can't believe that we're here again. They They reheat this like every five years. So I'm right. We did do this all right. We always do this. Gene Simmons' fault.

It should be the Music Hall of Fame. I don't care. Should be the American Music Hall of Fame. Then they get the Beatles out of there and the Rolling Stones. Okay. No. Yes, I'm with you. Let's get them out.

Like many of these great bands are not from the U.S. and that's fine. Music is a global thing. I feel like I feel like it's implied at this point that the rock and roll Hall of Fame is just, it's the music Hall of Fame. Yes. And I don't understand why we're all getting upset about it.

Like, was it a little bit of a weird thing at first when the first non-rock act was nominated inducted? Yeah. And that sparks a valid conversation. How many Americas are we talking here? Roy? About five. Yeah. I just feel like we settled on this a while ago.

It's just great musical acts. I legitimately also think that it's the rock and roll hall of fame. And because it's in the United States, like we talk. about yesterday or the day before, you kind of run out of gas if you're trying to focus on just U.S. bands in rock and roll, because even though rock and roll, much like jazz and otherwise, and hip-hop start in the U.S., the Brits alone have beaten us at our own game there. Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin all come before the first American band, you would say. But Roy, you push back a little bit on that idea. Who's the greatest American band of all?

all time? Well, I mean, first of all, the Rolling Stones, they based their music off of blues, which originated here. It doesn't matter. They're from over there. They're from there. Come on. Right.

Whatever. As far as band is concerned, I mean, I wouldn't say Earthwind and Fire. I mean, I'm going off of my perspective, Earth Wind and Fire, maze, cooling a gang, that sort of thing. But that's what I grew up by. Did you have Roy being a guy who, like, the first band that he mentions that he loves, is Earthwind and Fire? Sure. He strikes me as sort of an old soul. Okay.

Why is that? Let's explore. I'm just asking, that's all. I didn't expect it. So apparently, like, 10 to 12. What did you expect? Apparently 10 to 12 nominees make it. So I don't know. Okay, so hold on a second. Okay, so you're telling me there's a certain number of nominees that they can't go over.

So out of all these names, I'm going to rattle off the entire list. Some of these names conceivably won't get in. The Black Croix, Jeff Buckley, Mariah Carey, Phil Collins, Melissa Etheridge, Ms. Lauren Hill, Billy Idol, in excess, Iron Maiden, Joy Division, slash New Order. They're going in as... I don't even know Who that is. You don't know Joy Division? I don't think so. You don't know New Order?

Well, that's the same thing, clearly, all right? No, it's not because they have a different... That's Joy Division. And then the... The front man guys. The lead singer of Joy Division took his own life, and then they became Newark. order, which was a little bit more poppy. You know, Bizarre Love Triangle?

I don't think so. You did this the other day where you didn't know who the Smiths were. No, no, no, no. I absolutely know who Smiths are. I did not recognize that that was a Smith's song. You're not knowing who Joy Division is, is just crazy. All right, keep going. We move on. New Edition.

Oasis, Pink. Shadee, Shakira, Luther Vandros, and Wu-Tang Clan. So you're telling me it's only not all of them can get in, only a certain number can get in a specific year. I also wonder, what is the time frame? Is that it like 20 years after your first album released or something like that? I guess because, you know, some of these names don't feel like they've been around like all that long.

Like, Shakira doesn't feel like she's been around like that. What? She's definitely 20 years. No, I know. I know. Listen. I had the box down in Kendall. I remember Ohosasi.

You know about those hips? Okay, but if we're doing, but if it's, if we're, if we're. going away from it being rock bands is John Coltrane in because if you said I have said many times before we need to move all existing halls of fame up to where they belong on Mount Pius since we have rules about whether or not Barry Bonds is allowed to be in there the hit king and so on but what we would need to do is replace all those halls of fame with the Hall of All and start fresh and with what would be the inaugural class let's say It's the 20 greatest athletes, regardless of how they behave themselves, off our fields of play,

who would go in. One of those names would certainly be Babe Ruth, right? So you've got to start at the beginning. And if you're now opening this all up, how many slots do we have? If you're, let's say 20. Babe Ruth, I don't know. You don't think Bay Ruth would be one of the three best baseball players, Willie Mays, Barry Bonds, Bay Ruth, I think would be. Ors-Hoy-O-Toney.

I can't believe he doesn't know who Joy Division slash New Orr-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R. That's crazy. A guest on my knees here. You're a music guy. Is he a music guy? He's not a music guy. He's a Pearl Jam guy. John Coltrane is a rock and roll

Hall of Famer, but here's what they need to do with the nominees. It's not even about merit. It's we need to make Can't Miss television. You need to put Mariah Carey in with all the other deities. You need to put Mariah Carey in with Ms. Lauren Hill. You need to put her in with Chadee, Shakira, and Pink. That needs to have. happen. Okay, hold on a second. Yes to all of them.

All those you think are shoe-ins for the whole thing? No, I don't care. He said what should happen. What about pink? No. They all need to be in there to see how Mariah responds to this. Oh, okay. Yes. We're trying to make a television event. First off, we don't know what time Lauren Hill's showing up, all right? She may or may not decide to go. All right? And then you got Chadee, who's got this air of mystery around her, doesn't do a lot of public appearances, and you've got to have Mariah Carey there confronting all these people. Who does she have respect for? Who does she not have the time of day for?

I'm telling you right now, there's no way she likes pink! Mariah Carey, though, should be a shoe-in, right? So many number one hits. Mariah Carey. In Christmas song alone. Hold the phone. Showing your ass there, Dave.

What are you doing that face for? Mariah Carey. What are you talking about? I find her, at minimum, I find her Christmas song overrated. No Christmas song gets great a lot. It doesn't know people want to make it. In the 90s, she had to do. In the 90s, she had char-tapping hit.

You know that song she did with ODB? Come on now. Like what? What? I don't know Mariah Carey's songs. We can tell. We can tell. Showing your bare ass.

What are you talking about? I don't know what songs. Mariah Carey sing. Who's this Michael Jordan I keep hearing about? Mariah Carey is on that level? Absolutely. Yes, you don't know about one sweet day. Guys, guys, guys.

Put up the photo. They don't have Mariah Carey in communism. What do you guys do it? In communist. In commie, they don't have Mariah Carey. They have whatever it is. He listened to the Soviet National Anthem every day. I'll tell you, sing a Mario Carrey song for me.

If the video team's going to put up a shot of Ryan Carrey, it's going to be prime Mariahary Carrey. I swear I have no idea what that song. Eventually will be to get. I think the worst stretch of music, a genre of music that was popular, was the so-called new metal corn, and all of that was just atrocious. Second for me, 90s R&B. And I assume that's what you're putting it into. I don't know that song.

You'll always be a body. I like that. I like R&B. I don't like 90s R&B. Color me bad. You want to do that too? Nah, I'm good. With a strange you can.

You don't know this song. You never went to the dentist? That one rings about it. You don't. You have dirty teeth. You never went to a dentist. I mean, so far, I'm 0 for 3, 0 for 4. My boyfriend, my loving boy.

What you're going to do when you get out of jail? I'm going to do a remix. That was Diddy's part. Yeah, man. Somebody needs to make you a Mariah carry a mixtape. Man, me and Mariah, we go back like babies and pacifiers. ODB. Don Lebertard.

John Zahlo. Stugats. This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugats. There are the other pop acts. Why are you so obsessed with me, but I want to know. Lying like you's sex in me. I want to know. Lions, Cody.

Who else is a shoe-in on this list? Lauren Hill. Lauren is a shoe-in? I don't think so, man. Well, she has a one album. Well, she's quite possibly the most complete album ever created. But she had the one album. This isn't Lauren Hill as a member of the Fugges.

This is just Ms. Lauren Hill. That album. So there's two of these. I know Jeff Buckley had another release, but Jeff Buckley had the one album. And I'm a huge Jeff Buckley guy. I don't think he drowned. And I don't think he gets in

just because he didn't do it long enough. This is the second time in a month that I've heard Jeff Buckley. They mentioned it to me on Cynophob. I didn't get the joke because I didn't know who Jeff Buckley was and then I got shame for it because it's too America's. Not as bad as we just shame Dave. I don't know.

I'm not embarrassed. I don't know. If it hurts your feelings, no shame. You're happy for the deflection, Joy Division. I'm not ashamed of that. You should be. It's like the most popular rock tea ever. Hold on a second.

If I walk downstairs right now outside this building, I stop whoever it is walking in the door and say, yo, you know about that Joy Division? Or New Order? They're not going to have a clue. Or New Or, you didn't know either of them. Not going to have a clue. You didn't know a residency here for like a week at the Fillmore.

New Order is huge down here. The fact that I have no idea who they are, definitely not getting in the Rock Hall. This guy doesn't know any Mariah Carey songs. What are we doing here? Not one? Joy Division slash New Order. Definitely getting it.

Yo, stop trying to make Joy Division a thing, all right? They were a thing on their own. They were a thing. They were a thing. Clang's a shoe-in, right? Yep. Shoo-in. Have to be.

You heard of them, Dave Damashek? I know the Wu. You know about that cream? I've seen the Wu live, more than one. You know about that 36 Chambers? I know about Cream. Yes, I know about them as well. I can't sleep at night.

No, what's not bad. You on my mind? Bobby Womax on the radio singing, if you think you're lonely. Now, wait a minute, this is too deep. Too deep. I got to be honest. I got to take a second and I'm amazed by this. That's a break in there.

Baby face. I only think of you is breaking my heart. Trying to put together when I'm all in a bar. Bear ass. Devinanette. You're in a race against time, though. You've got to get Phil Collins in. You have to.

Phil Collins, lock. Yeah, because he's not doing well. Hold on. Why is he a lock if he continues to not get in? Because they're haters in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. So then he's not a lock. Well, he's not well. I think is what Mike is saying. He's not well, and they need to do this right now.

Remember when Vader was like, get me into the WWE Hall of Fame? I don't have much time. And then they missed it. Yep. That was very sad for Big Van Vader. Postomist inductee. How are they? Hold on.

Why are they cockwalking my guy Phil Collins? That guy's amazing. I don't get it. He's got hit after hit. They don't make music like that anymore. He would do the concert to see if people in like a dress shirt. Yeah. He was a tucked in.

He would say the word, oh, soo, sue. They go to a dentist. You guys have that in common. You got a dentist at least once in your life? So we have three locks. Mariah, Phil Collins, and Wu-Tang. I don't know if anyone else. There's a hill.

All right. Is Wutang more of a lock than Shadeh. Yes. Get out of here. No. What are you asking? No. What do you mean?

No. Shade is going in before Wooten. Look, this is what I'm going to say. I'm surprised Shadeh is not already in. I'm stunned by that. I'm surprised she's not already in. By the way, she's an incredible live act. I've seen her live.

Oasis is going to get in, right? They're a lot. They don't talk about one album. No, Oasis does not deserve to be in. Waces does not deserve. They don't. Well, I don't respect. your opinion on English music

considering you don't, you stay away from Manchester. Just stay away from the city of Manchester. You don't know anything about Manchester music. You just went through a whole deal about how Lauren Hill has one album. What's the difference with Oasis? Always says two albums and Oasis was, yeah, like, I

I'm willing to hear an argument on Oasis. Not enough. That's the argument. Okay, but if you're going to use that argument, then I'm sorry, Jeff Buckley. Tragically, you're not going to make it. I'm sorry, Ms. Laurenhill. Go back just a second. What is the band, because I honestly sort of am at most half interested in who's in the rock and roll Hall of Fame, because as we have established, it's fraudulent.

Why is it fraudulent? Who is the looming band out there that people are saying, like, how is this band not in yet? Because there's got to be, I just said John Coltrane, you said he is in. Is Miles Davis in? I would pet my life. I would pet my life that Miles Davis is in. Because at minimum, you have to.

backfill the ones you missed before the existence of this rock and roll hall of fame you kind of need to start with the people you missed in the 20s 30s and and up miles davis is by the way indicted in the same year as john coltrain 2006 i'm glad we saved mike's life yeah i also didn't need the lebron shoe experience to know that i'm washed who was watching like the last rock and roll hall of fame thing which was awesome but one of my favorite bands ever got inducted i was like i was in high school when i was loving this band i'm that old one for the white stripes when the white stripes when the white stripes got in. Are you surprised that Iron Maiden is not in? A little.

Here is Iron Maiden front man. All right. He is called Bruce Dickinson. And here he is speaking about... Talk to the Walk, baby. Here he is speaking about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I actually think the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is an utter and complete load of bullocks, to be honest with you. It's run

by a bunch of sanctimonious bloody Americans who wouldn't know rock and roll if it hit them in the face. They need to stop taking Prozac and start drinking effing beer. I don't think he cares about getting in. I don't think anyone should care. It's in Cleveland, guys.

Outcast is not in. For me to go to... No. You're not, yeah. For me to go to be inducted, I have to go to Cleveland. I mean, it's got a couple of things going for it, and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is one of them. And I will say, I enjoy the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Is Andre 3,000 in as a solo artist? I mean, he just had... You want to talk about it? Well, he does have two albums, technically, because Speaker Box Love Below was... It's two single albums in one double album. I can't believe that flute album got nominated.

That's called... That's when people are trying to afford each other. Oh, yeah, I'm cultured. I like this. Because it wasn't even good flute music. It was bad. I did not enjoy it. Like, there are flutists who are like,

are you kidding me? Like, I spent my whole life and then this guy picks it up and it's like me playing the harmonica. It's just... Yeah. In excess, I think, has been a nominee for a while. Yeah, it's enough.

You know about them? You don't think again? Of course. And they're not a whole lot. A hall of fan. Whatever. That's not a Hall of Fame band. It's a great song.

It's a great song. So anyone who's a great song gets in rock hall of fame? Well, I mean, in excess does have a couple of decent albums. I have to go back to what I said, was it yesterday or two days ago, I'm going to stand by even though I got some flag for it on social media. R.E.M. is the best American band. I just think that's who, in terms of influence, you're one of those.

I can tell. You're one of those. In terms of influence. You like fish or something like that too, huh? I like fish. I don't know. I could tell. Grateful dead would be in the conversation.

Oh, Jesus. I'm going to ask you from like a naive standpoint. Please explain to me who REM has influenced. Are you, they basically are primarily responsible more than any other band is for the so-called college radio, all rock, so, on and self-hifted. That's a terrible song. So I think they birthed college radio.

I know that from that part of the country. I remember he had the hat and it looked like an idiot. It was a big deal. And they were like considered a college rock band. They were considered a college rock band. But you're given them like all of college radio. Who then went, who then went mainstream. They transcended that that marginalizing title.

Like yeah, it's a kids at a certain age you'll vibe to this sound into something that became top 40 music. A lot of bands chase that sort of success. So their influence is not actually musically. It's just like what they did. Musically, yeah. No, no, no. But like which band's like, you know what?

We want to be like REM. Like there aren't. What he's saying is like Little Richard, for example, directly influence the Rolling Stone. They're like, we want to be like Little Richard. Like that's influence. Not like, hey. Who's like saying, I want to be like RERM?

It could be like a band like Coldplay? Listen, I'm out of my depth a little. bit, but I would think that you would be hard-pressed. I bet you if you were able to talk to Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder and so on, they would say, there is no us without R.E. I was got my favorite

American band? I mean, Peter Buck is spectacular, objectively speaking. What do you do with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers? I love them. They're great. They're in the conversation. Arrow Smith. I guess Bruce Springsteen, I would do. But yeah, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers East Street Band, that feels like... East Street Band does not count. It does not count.

They're in the sportswriters Hall of Fame. Put Bruce Springsteen and the East Street Band in the Sports Riders Hall of Fame. And in fact, that's considered a hot take. I am partial to Tom Petty over Bruce Springsteen. Hell yeah, brother. I don't think that you would be in the minority in that. You know what I'm going to say? If we're talking about greatest American band, it can't be so-and-so in the so-and-so's.

It can't be that. It's got to be a band. Well, the heartbreakers are a band. Name a second heartbreaker. There was a John. There was a mic. There's a Mike. The narcissism to do that, by the way, the Dave Matthew.

band. You know, it's the greatest violator of this of all is Alvin with the two other chipmunks. Well, I mean, but you have to have low self-esteem to be one of the other two chipmunks. Alvin's going to front the band. Like, yeah, he gets name-checked. We're just the two chipmunks. You're magical chipmunks too.

You can sing in human words. Why are you not honoring yourself demanding that Alvin give you equal time? No, no. It's going to be Alvin and my two friends who also happened to be less magical chip monks than I am, but they're in the band too.

I think it's a disgrace on Alvin's part, but also the other two, what are their names, Theo? Theodore and the Simon and the Simon. That's what happened. Well, I'm glad you guys could do it. You know, they dishonored themselves and their families by not requiring it. No, Alvin's got a big head. Just let them do it. Let them do it.

Theodore. Shame on all of them. Well, to be fair, Simon is a nerd and Theodore is overweight, so they are kind of low self-esteem. All right. You want to make excuses. Similar with hooty and the blowfish, he just, you know, himself, hooty and then you got the blocum. He's not even hooty. What do you make of what ELO is done? Underrated band.

Yes, I understand that. But like, they started his ELO and then it's like, yeah, Jeff's like, yeah, let me put my name on there. I'm in the front. Oh, I guess I'm not aware of that having happened. Yeah, it's like Jeff Lynn's ELO now. Oh, really? He owns them? Obnoxious after the fact. Did the other guys die?

It's like, yeah, they're gone. They're not going to say anything. Put my name in front of the whole thing. Better get on that Mariah Carey playlist today. Nah. Shut up. I'm good. New order.

Bear ass. Nobody, stop trying to make you order. Play the sound of him. The embarrassing sound of him. Play it. Skating with a hangover tonight.