The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Enough With These Good Murderers (feat. Ronan Farrow)

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

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And if you're a murder podcast person, he's not interested in the good murders, he's interested in very bad murders. Wow. Not enough with these good murders, man. Sick and tired. Enough with these good murder podcast content. I'm tired of them.

We wanted to go another way. Ronan Farrow with us, He's a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist, obviously contributing writer at the New Yorker. He's got a new audible original podcast, not a very good murderer, and he explores the fact-checking process with a volatile source. By accident, we didn't actually do this on purpose, We were talking about journalism and the fact checking process and I'm wondering Ronan when you don't have a credible source or you have a volatile source what goes into the reporting of this particular story? I'm always interested in the subjects that you choose and thank you as always for joining us. Yeah it's always a pleasure it's always such a good

conversation with you guys. I try to capture over the course of the four and a half hours of this series, the answer to that question. I feel like this series doesn't neatly fall into one category. It's not one thing. And one of the layers of it is at a time when the press is under attack, right? There's dwindling trust in the press. I wanted to show the mechanics of how a journalist goes about vetting, in this case, a really politically explosive

allegation. And I headed off into this wealthy gated community in the desert, Paradise Valley, Arizona, to try to assess the question you raised. Was the source at the center of this credible? And then you have these other layers that flow from this. You have, you mentioned volatility, a relationship that is the backbone of this series

that is really wild. I mean, this is about a former pageant queen. Her name is Cece Doane. And as I'm vetting her, I start to realize that she's been connected to this improbable series of unsolved crimes. There's an arson allegation, there's a period of time where the FBI investigated her

for allegedly sending death threats to her own family. There's a police investigation into whether she tried to hire a hitman to kill one of her husbands and then another investigation into whether she tried to kill another husband with Viagra. A hum overdosing him deliberately was the claim. As I looked into that, to your point about volatility, the relationship with her became really complex

because she wouldn't stop calling. And she kept coming back for more interviews. So there was clearly an attraction there. But also, she was furious. And at one point, she threatens to punch me. Actually now, as of our latest conversations, multiple points. So you get to really see this kind of rise and fall of a very intense, complicated relationship.

And then finally, I thought that this series was consequential because she represents someone who's at a lot of our dinner tables and a lot of our Thanksgiving meals in a lot of our communities. She is very, very steeped in the kind of Fox News bright part spectrum of at times I'll just say it as a reporter where I'm very committed to the facts, it's disinformation at times.

You know, I'm not saying everything on those platforms falls into that category, but some of the things that she embraces, like the idea that Donald Trump won the 2020 election, the idea that Barack Obama is a Muslim. There are certain things that come up in our conversations where it's clear that she represents a really significant part of this country's population in terms of disinformation culture. And that's something I'm very interested in.

So the show kind of becomes a blueprint for not only can I solve these crimes and can I use this person as a source credibility wise, but also how do we deal with this phenomenon in our culture of people who live in denial, maybe as in this case about themselves and also about the world around them. So did she trust you and did you now confirm her already held belief that the media can't be trusted i think that

any treatment of this subject no matter how delicate and sensitive and meticulous in the fact-checking was going to trigger a firestorm and in her eyes a confirmation of, you know, the untrustworthy leftist qualities of the media. I will say that over the course of this series, one of the leitmotifs that emerges is blackouts,

that she claims to have blacked out her memories of many of these alleged crimes. You know, her response in a lot of cases isn't a firm denial, it's a, well, I don't remember. And she attributes that to a combination of struggles with alcoholism, which I think is a part of the series that a lot of people and a lot of families will relate to. There's a very forthright discussion of the substance abuse part of this. And also, I think, to just not wanting to confront some of this stuff. I think it's a mix of both. And so the silver lining here, in answer to your question, is there are parts of this show where she actually starts to confront some of these things she's done in her past

and to acknowledge, well, maybe it's possible I did do this. Maybe it's possible I did say this. And like members of her family, for instance, have reached out to me. It's a very complicated portrait of a family as well. And she's, you know, been accused of being abusive by her kids and so on. People have reached out and said this is a really cathartic series for them to watch within that family,

and I've been also heartened to hear from people not connected to this family who have just listened to it out in the world and said, this reminds me of my mother, this reminds me of someone I know, and it's helped me process. Ronan, I'm sorry to do this to you in a public fashion But Billy's quite the anarchist today and he's pointed out to me

How can we trust anyone in journalism when this person who was a Pulitzer Prize winner? clearly has fake books behind him and Thermostat growing out of one of your books there We can't trust this person either, Billy's saying to me. And I can't even hear what you're saying because he's saying you're not trustworthy because everything behind you is almost literally fake news. Is that a real guitar? I don't even know anymore.

You would, the guitars are not, are not wallpaper. The keyboard is not wallpaper. The books are wallpaper. And you would be shocked how much conversation I wind up in about the wallpaper. Like people see the wallpaper, they love the wallpaper, they feel betrayed by the wallpaper when they learn that the wallpaper is a stylized rendering of a library.

I promise you in person, it's not pretending to be real books. Like it's painterly, the texture of it is not photographic. It's supposed to be impressionistic. I didn't want real books in here. I wanted a painting. But yeah, I apologize. Those books are fake news.

What's your favorite fake book that you've read from your wallpaper? You know, I think I did at one point, like lean in really close and try to ascertain whether there's a title you can see. I don't think they're designed to have like full titles on them. So I don't-

Can you find one? Can we find one? Can we have you waste your time by scurrying around and trying to see if you can find a single real thing? That's gonna require a separate booking guys. You know, what we should do really is you should just report that there's some deeply cancellation-worthy book on this fake shelf.

You know, there's a fake Mein Kampf on this fake shelf. We were all, all four of us jumped out. I was about to say that, but he took it. We were all gonna, at the same time, we were all gonna yell Mein Kampf, but I didn't want the consequences of that. Of course you were, I knew you were. I just figured I'd do it for you. I was gonna go to Dr. Seuss round, but. Yeah. At the same time we were all gonna yell mine come

You also released earlier this week for the New York and I'm telling you I Am a deep admirer of this person's work because he's so meticulous about what he chooses and how he reports it But your report on why the police refused to investigate a serial rapeist, Sean Williams, and the prosecutor who blew the whistle on that. Can you tell us how you came to report all of that? In 2021, I got an encrypted email from a person claiming to be a federal prosecutor and saying that they were chasing the case of a, uh, they thought maybe historically prolific predator and they were chasing the case of a, they thought maybe historically prolific predator and being obstructed by the local police.

This person thought that the cops might be protecting the alleged perpetrator. And it was such an incredible claim. And as I dug in from there, the specifics were so wild that I wound up spending four years just looking at every facet of this case and immersing myself in hundreds of pages of legal documents and interviewing dozens of people on the ground in Appalachia where this takes place. Wound up being about this prosecutor, Kat Cat Doll. She really was a federal prosecutor and she had been assigned to Johnson City, East Tennessee.

And she started to track strange events around the local businessman, a guy named Sean Williams. There was a woman who fell out of his fifth story window. There was another woman who fell out of his fifth story window. There was another woman who left his apartment, super out of it, seemingly drugged and was panicked and went off the road. She realized there had been years of police reports from women claiming that he had drugged and raped them. And various pieces of evidence were covered around him, started to lead her to believe that he might also be preying upon children.

And as she worked on this case, actually, a bunch of people allegedly were assaulted while she failed to get the case across. So it became this kind of passionate obsession for her. And the local cops seemed really uninterested in pursuing it. And you can read in this piece in this week's New Yorker, all of the details of the ways in which they behaved strangely. And through some combination of neglect, lack of interest, just incompetence, and this is one of the things that emerges as the piece goes on, potentially corruption, they let him get away

over and over again. I'm talking about she finally struggles and struggles and struggles to get an indictment against him, and then he goes on the run successfully for more than two years in total. He at one point gets caught by officers on a college campus by complete coincidence and is taken into custody and then escapes from a moving police van. I mean, it's stuff you don't expect in the present day.

And over my years of reporting on this, the alleged perp, this guy, Sean Williams, when he finally was in custody, started to tell me, well, I threw an associate of mine was paying off the cops. They deny this, but I present all of the evidence and people can come to their conclusions. That's led to a new request

for the reopening of Discovery, right? Yeah, there's now motion in some of the cases around this. There's a bunch of both civil and criminal proceedings that have flowed from this, and in at least one of the civil cases, there's been new filings based on some of this reporting. So maybe we haven't heard the last of this, and maybe there'll be more answers. I do think that one of the reasons that made based on some of this reporting. So maybe we haven't heard the last of this and maybe there'll be more answers. I do think that one of the reasons that made me wanna put this out now is that it's a story about state

and federal oversight systems failing. And as I was reporting on it and saying like, hey, why didn't the FBI look at this more? Why didn't the Department of Justice writ large look at this more? Why didn't the Department of Justice writ large look at this more? Why doesn't this community have answers to these answerable questions about whether the cops were being paid off?

What I started getting back in response to those questions was people saying, hey buddy, the offices that you're asking for more and better accountability from are getting destroyed right now. So the Trump administration is dismantling a lot of these corruption oversight apparatuses, a lot of the systems for whistleblowers, like the one in this story, to come forward. They fired the head of the Office of Special Counsel, which is the office responsible for

enforcing the Whistleblower Protection Act. They've done various other things to try to erode the space for whistleblowers to come forward. They have downsized the Public Integrity Section at the Department of Justice, which is the office that should be looking at corruption claims with respect to police around the country, to just a skeleton crew. So I think it's important as people read this to also have them know,

like this is why we need federal systems of oversight to protect people around the country. And what I'm being told by people around this case and other experts is with the absence or diminishment of those systems, we're a lot more likely to see more cases like this go unchecked. He is the face of horrifying news. Listen to his new audible original podcast.

Not a very good murderer. It is available now. Honestly, like meticulously gathered. His face when you said that was just mortified. Well, but it's just horrendous. I mean, it's just horrendous. I mean, he is, I mean, just horrendous. I mean, it's just horrendous. I mean, he- I'll take it.

I mean, just horrendous. Like, you hear him talking and it's like, oh, that's scary. That's terrible. Okay, good. Talking to you, Ronan. Thank you. Always a pleasure. No, not really.

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Don Lebatard! We're gonna win! Stugats! We're gonna win! They were not an old reference. This is the Don Lebatard Show with the Stugarts. I'm going to wait until a home run is hit, preferably on the very first pitch the Marlins throw this season, to talk about the Marlins new home run sculpture because they moved out a multi-million dollar colorful fiasco that David Sampson loves but very few other people did and now have a new home run

thing that spews water and so we'll all get to see that together and then talk about it. David Sampson incidentally in the post game with JuJuGadi we're finally going to do that germaphobe off to see which of them is a little bit crazier. So that's coming up in a little bit. But before we do that, because I'm unsatisfied with our tournament, I wanna create another tournament and I just wanna play a bunch of iconic sounds here and get from you guys what the seedings on this are and should be.

So the 16 seed in a different tournament, the one I'd prefer to do than the one Billy and others are trying to passive aggressively bother me with, but is a great celebration of our fans who are in general population. That you love so much, yeah, more than anyone. By the way, the prize for that one's supposed to be going to the championship game with you.

That would have been a prize, huh? You would have liked that. And then they told me, no, we're not doing this. You put me in a position where I have to sound like I'm against watching a game with one of our most loyal fans because of how you've done this tournament. And because you don't like gen pop apparently.

Atop your ivory tower. Shangri-La. While wearing a silk robe of some sort behind a velvet robe. Touch the hem of my garment. Number 16. That's AOL Instant Messenger? I asked for some of the most iconic sounds in the history of sound.

Game, bro. It's iconic for like, what, eight year generation of people? Number 15. of people number 15 is that a sound or is that like your curb your enthusiasm that's a song if you cut it at the da da da da da da and right there that's a sound number 14 you've got mail to Again. You know all about that, Dan. Again, it's a specific generation. Number 13. Oh yeah.

That's a song. This is a badass song. That's a song. We should let the whole two minutes play out. That's a song though. That's not a sound. Get it out of here. Number 12.

Sometimes you want to go where everybody goes. That's a song though, that's not a sound! Get it out of here, number 12! What are we doing? This is not the correct way to do this. Who produces this show? This is not the right way to do this. This is what you wanted, Dan? No! Number 11! Holy... In the criminal justice system, sexually based offenses are considered especially heinous.

In New York City, the dedicated detectives who investigate these vicious felonies are members of an elite squad known as the Special Victims Unit. This is not a sound. These are their stories. That would have been a good sounder. These are their stories. These are their stories. Or this is what you blew off our pants for.

Like those are the things. Number 10. Like that's those are the things number 10 You guys aren't I don't know what song that is I know some space for tonight number nine That's a sound sound that's a sound that's a that's a sound yeah, go ahead. What else we got number eight? Just cartoon music oh, it's x-men number seven This is oh, come on. I mean it's back to the beat. it's a great sound though, but it's a song that's not a sound Yeah, the one you guys wait the other that's a sound That is a sound AOLs and two back to the futures in the most iconic sounds in the history of sound money number six You'll get otaku bad. Oh, yeah

Dude, I don't well you got yo Jeremy. Were you old enough for that? I know that, that's like one of the first things I remember in my whole life, honestly. Iconic Super Bowl commercial. That's such a lie. Truly, truly. Iconic's such a bullshit. It's one of the first pop culture things that I remember. You're too young, Tony, that was.

No, no, I'm, I'm. No, he's saying it's sad that I'm saying it's one of the first things I remember in my life. I didn't say sad, I said it's bullshit, there's no way. Am I a liar or am I lying? You're lying. Number five. Oh, it's.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Number five. Oh, OK. ["Symphony No. 5 in D minor"] Kind of thing. Now it's a song. Yeah, you guys are bad at this. You guys don't know when to cut things off. Like, they need to be sounds, not songs. You know what would have been a good sound? Oh, yeah.

Or just him going, Nazis. I hate Nazis. Man, we all almost yelled Mein Kampf earlier in the hour. Number four! Oh, Daily Double. Yeah, that's a sound. That's great. Number three.

Oh, you know me, man. That's a sound. Well, for this to work comedically, they need to be short. That was short. I know. That was two seconds. I know. No, I'm saying that that's the correct way to do it. That's not the incorrect way to do it number two That's a song a great song not doing a song nonetheless How can we how how do our tournaments keep life finds a way then worse?

Finds away number one Number one. Number one. It's a song, but it's not number one. Just let it play out. Get me a new 16. I wanna do something different with all of this. Let's talk about March Madness in a different way. We're gonna get to Jessica and Taylor.

Somehow Taylor has invaded the show again. Les Taylor is a life principle for me. He's a good producer. Yeah, and he was on Pitchcock yesterday too. I've got so much proof of that in the last episode. I'm gonna go with Jessica. Jessica's a good producer. Jessica's a good producer. Jessica's a good producer. Jessica's a good producer. Jessica's a good producer. Jessica's a good producer. Somehow Taylor has invaded the show again. Les Taylor is a life principle for me. But he's a good producer.

And he was on Pitch Clock yesterday too. I've got so much proof of that in the last 16 sounds. To be fair, he wasn't part of that. Are you sure? Maybe evidence he's a bad producer because he didn't want to help Mike Malley. Throwing Mike Malley into the bus. Malley is a good producer.

Malley's great. Check out Tony Brackets, by the way. I love those guys. Ethan's on that one though, so maybe don't check it out. Me, Ethan, Malie, and Taylor breaking down the march about this. What? Are you trying to sell it or not?

It's electric. Just this is happening. Just two hands out. Everyone's blaming everyone else. I know how to save that other sound tournament if you want. Go ahead, Billy. So that sound tournament, what you do

is play the lightsaber one Roy Sorry again, nothing nevermind Louis was talking in my ear How about we do a tough I never leave yeah, I got a good top five for Sweet 16. Guys, wait, before he gets a top five. Riley stole those cookies, right? Of course. Of course, for all I'm saying.

I mean, I feel like we were being gaslit the entire time. You guys think the nutritionist has the power to tell LeBron when he can and can't have on a plane? LeBron has his own nutritionist. Look, you think the nutritionist has the balls, the balls to make a decision like that? The unmitigated gall? Like to say, hey, I'm not gonna take what Pat,

I'm the boss here. Do you think that there's a chance that they did it once and then as soon as they found out, it was an immediate like, what are you doing? We have to bring the cookies back because apparently the cookies were back, so maybe the nutritionist will slap on the wrist and then continue from there.

Well, where's the nutritionist now? Do we know? Did the fixer take care? We don't know if the person's still slap on the wrist and then Where's the nutritionist now? Do we know? Did the fixer take care? We don't know if the person's still working for the organization I'm still confused about the whole ice cream thing. That part was just a joke It was a red herring, which is a terrible flavor of ice cream Yeah I said you had a top 5

Yeah, I did. Alright, let's do that But you have to whisper it No I had to whisper it? This is an exciting top 5. I can't whisper it Okay Are you not Dan here? Teddy's top 5 by the way, ladies and gentlemen, uh-huh brought to you by Jimmy John's Finally here and they're hot try the new toasted sandwiches at Jimmy John's order

One today. I have a Jimmy John's shirt or should have wore it today. Oh, you should have alright So this is an exciting list of exciting whites. These are the top five secret sauce players still left in March Madness. Okay Number five the duo of Danny wolf and Vladislav golden for the Michigan Wolverines Their scrappy players and their Bulldogs Danny wolf is an Instagram legend man number four Richie Saunders forward for your BYU Cougars He cerebral deceptive speed me sneaky athletic shout out to the Cougs number three Sean Padula Guard for Ole Miss gritty tons of heart out hustles everyone by the way gained 15 pounds of muscle on the offseason Allow them to play big Padula guard though Italian

Maybe yes, don't do it again. Yeah, what are you doing? Is he a time? I don't know. Do you know? number two Grant Nelson No Alabama what? Alabama you to say the team do Alabama final four six eleven, but he's a student the game is all the he's got all the intangibles. I mean Well, I was gonna ask what no school for him real high motor just hanging out true gamer number one Braden Smith from Purdue

He's a real lunch pail and hardhat kind of guy absolute Jim rat first guy in last guy out that every single time That's every player who's ever played at Purdue this top five is wasted by Jimmy John's they're finally here in the hot try the new toasted sandwiches at Jimmy John's or the one today you know my favorite Purdue guy who's that that reminds me of Jimmy John's take it eat one more oh I want it on Zack eat that's great thank you yeah well done yeah those are both. Look at you guys with puns. Huh?

We try, man. Wow. We try out here. We're one big family. So, special sauce, is that what you call them? The secret sauce. Secret sauce. Secret sauce of March Madness.

The white guys. Who do you think of? I've got a name in my head. Follow me if you will. Ali Faroukmanesh, who I guess is Persian with that name, but he looks white. To me, when you said secret sauce white guy in March Madness, that's who I think of, right?

Was it Northern Iowa or was it? Yeah, I think so, right? Northern Iowa? Yes. That was amazing. Dude, that was a time. That run was remarkable because what it was about him, it was the receding hairline.

Yeah. It wasn't just that he was a short guy. It was the receding hairline. It wasn't just that he was a short guy. It was the receding hairline as if he looked like he was already the 35 year old accountant that he was destined to be. I was just informed that he just got the Colorado State job yesterday. What?

Congratulations. How do you like that? That's amazing. More congratulations. I mean, he knew that, that's why he brought him up. Yeah, of course. You were paying attention to the news. Of course, yeah.

I'm always tapped in on the Colorado State job. Diefendorf, not special sauce, right? It's snoggle, special sauce. It's snoggle, special sauce. Special sauce. Marshall Henderson, not special sauce. You're right about Iranian, by the way. His father was a member of the Iranian men's national volleyball team.

There you go. Bloodlines. Speaking of white guys in basketball, I mean you and I were talking about this a little bit yesterday, but a friend of the show, Zach Harper, has been launching a campaign to really push a nickname for Nikola Jokic that is already out there, but isn't really his number one nickname.

The number one nickname for Nikola Jokic is obviously the Joker. Everybody playing off the back of his last name. But the nickname that Zach wants to push, and I wanna support him on this, Big Honey. I love Big Honey as a nickname for Nikola Jokic. This giant polar bear of a man who. Polar bears don't like honey though. All right, well this polar bear of a man. Polar bears don't like honey though.

Alright, well this giant bear of a man. Thank you. Who is so smooth with everything he does. Did you guys see the pass that he made yesterday? Yeah, he's crazy. I mean he is so ridiculous out there. And he's so, and I just think the big honey is one of those throwback nicknames to like the 1970s when we had these crazy nicknames

in basketball. I mean look at this pass that you'll see. I mean he's ridiculous. And I love the idea of giving him a name Nikola Big Honey Jokic. Does anyone here agree with me? I think it's a dumb nickname in the fact that you got it from Zach Harper makes it even dumber.

That guy's a hack and that nickname's a hack and the guy's name is Joker, it's a great nickname. It's a play on. Hack Harper. Why are you guys feuding? I'm not privy to the lore. Why am I feuding with Zach? Yes.

Because I have to do a podcast with him every single week. It's not a feud, it's like a longstanding, like eternal beef. Do the Hatfields and McCoys have a feud? I don't have a feud with anyone that I have to record with here bullshit No, we're friends Love Taylor, I love all those guys the Amiens dog is being is like a classic will they won't they you know they won't oh Or unless they do Billy on the other hand he has feuds I do

Tony no, it's I have feuds. It's not a long-standing feud. I think I'm very easy to get along earlier we were out in the commissary and Billy Billy walked up to Tony and Taylor and looks at both of them And goes he goes hmm, I gotta change something that I said to you guys a while ago. I had told Taylor that he was in better shape than Tony, but Taylor, you're losing it. Tony's in better shape than you are.

Which prompted about 10 seconds later, both of them dropping to the ground and doing pushups. I did more, by the way. And of course, Tony did more to prove his manliness. So, but no, it doesn't just stop there, though. and doing push-ups. I did more by the way. And of course Tony did more to prove his manliness. Thank you. But no, it doesn't just stop there though. I have gotten them to agree to compete against each other in taking the middle school presidential fitness exam.

I'm gonna crush him, I'm gonna crush him. I heard you guys yelling about that. Oh my god. I was like what are you talking about? It just takes you going up and telling one of them they're in better shape than the other one, then five seconds later they're doing push-ups on the floor. They're doing the presidential Just to clarify Billy not only has a feud with Tony It has a feud with Taylor if you listen to mystery create this week

We rehashed we will be rehashing the fashion show that we are going to have or Taylor doesn't want to dress Billy He wants to dress Chris Cody because the two of them have a bit of a feud going on No, no me and Taylor also If I'm gonna be honest with you the one a bit of a feud going on. No, no. Me and Taylor also, if I'm going to be honest with you, the one feud that we do have going on is Taylor was all in on this whole NASCAR thing that we were going to be doing, going to these races, going, driving the cars around, doing all this NASCAR stuff.

And then Homestead Miami comes around. We go and we drive a car around the track. We have the big race coming up. He's like, can't go. Got to watch Hoops. Real Hoopers, no. Someone's got to do it. Someone's's gotta watch hoops around exactly right me and Taylor are the only two people watching March Madness I'm watching the women watching the men's you guys should do a segment together or something well I have good news for you what's that we do have a segment together what it's called

God bless college basketball slash God bless March Bandus. Wow. And you're going to listen to it. When? Right now. Wow. Right now. Now. Go pee-pee. Right now.

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Some 500 seasons it's been lonely. Now the best player is on our side. Been losing and losing for much too long but now we're back with New York Pride Stugats Jalen you've got us on our feet Jalen we're gonna win the East Jalen without Rand, we're still doing fine. This is the Dunn-Levitar Show with the Stugarts. God bless college basketball, Taylor. God bless college basketball, Jess. Welcome back to God bless March Madness presented by Price Line.

Dreaming about that trip? Book it and go to your happy price with Price Line. So, you know, we work for a show, Taylor, that just takes a lot of big dumps on things that they don't like or understand. And one of those things this past week has been March Madness. And I would like to be here to say, as someone who sat on the couch,

pretty much from Thursday morning until Monday night without moving, watching every March Madness game in the women's and the men's tournament. It was pretty fun. It was pretty exciting and people that are upset with the lack of upsets, well there were some bangers of games. Is that accurate? That is accurate. We are in this office the two most ball watchers, ball knowers, ball lovers. It doesn't take much to be one of the most ball knowers. I will raise my hand up.

The bar is the fact that I'm a ball knower in basketball. The bar is did you watch a tournament or did you watch an NCAA basketball game before the tournament? Yes. Oh then I could check that box. You're in the one percentile here. Exactly. The Houston Gonzaga game was great. Houston blocked their game tying three-pointer. The Deraqueen Buzzerbeater in the Maryland game was excellent. These are all just from the men's tournament. Florida and Yukon down to the wire. Oregon, Arizona was an all just a nail biter. Oregon Duke in the women's tournament too was also a nail biter. We'll get to that in a little bit. But this has been the most watched NCAA tournament for the men in 32 years. So despite what people on the show may say, everyone's very interested in the NCAA tournament they're watching and we're gonna talk about it a little bit

here. First things first, we miss Dugats, we miss his presence, we miss most of all his weekend observations. Taylor misses someone having someone to text his errant thoughts to. He's just been texting, you know, a few of us like his, his weekend observations. And we're like, Taylor, this is great. Like why are you writing like this over a text message? So he's going to get them out of his system right now. So these are his round of 32 men's NCAA tournament observations. Taylor, take it away.

Death. Taxes. And Tom Izzo having his team playing their best basketball in March. Sparty. Amir Khan. McNeese State's manager. Sister Jean's is called. Even she thinks you're doing too much.

So mean. But. Alabama. Do it against the school with a football team. Coach Cal in the Sweet 16. Kentucky in the Sweet 16. The rare win-win. Gonzaga vs Houston.

The two longest active streaks of Sweet 16 appearances. You know what that means Jess. Something's gotta give. Something's gotta give. You're on it today. I'm so on it. If you looked up Senior Guard play in the dictionary, you'd see a picture of Florida's Walter Clayton Jr.

Derek Queen hitting a buzzer beater against Colorado State. You know what he did, Jess? What did he do? He called game. Oh, that's a good one. You call him Dusty May. I call him Dusty March. No one likes a dusty anything.

That is a good take. I mean, especially March, do some spring cleaning. Like we gotta get the dust out of here. The guy at work who says I had that in my other bracket. Respectfully. Go to hell. Speaking of hell. R. Bryles.

Jess. Those are the round of 32 observations. Well done. Great job with the beeps. Next time we need to insert a top five in there to really get you juggling the fanfare and the beeps, but excellent, excellent work. So we've got even more basketball this upcoming weekend.

Because the men's tournament was so chalky and the women's tournament, that means the next round is going to be highly competitive. The ratings are expected to go up even higher as we see some of these huge juggernaut teams compete against each other this weekend. One game that I'm super duper looking forward to, well actually there's a couple of games,

but I'll start with this one. Notre Dame and TCU in the women's sweet 16 round is going to be, in my opinion, I think, prediction. I think it's gonna be a really good game. This is a rematch of a game that was in November that TCU won. Notre Dame had a lead through three quarters. TCU overcame the lead, came back, won the game. Haley Van Lyth, we talked about it on the show this week.

She has a really interesting story. This is her third school. She, we probably remember her from the LSU Iowa game last year. She also was on the USA basketball 3X3 team this summer, but she is having a really great season with TCU. And this is her first sweet 16. And I mean, I can't even remember how long over a decade, I want to say. And Sedona Prince, who is their big, is also playing really well.

She's averaging 17 and a half points per game, nine and a half rebounds per game. And Notre Dame is going gonna have to do a lot to match up with a big of her size. But on the flip side of that, Notre Dame has Hannah Hidalgo, who is a finalist for National Player of the Year. She's a phenomenal player. If you like college hoops and you like seeing a guard

who is averaging four steals per game, like 24 points per game, who is just getting after it on both sides of the ball, defense and offense. Hannah Hidalgo is your gal. She is having a great season. So are Sonia Citron and Olivia Miles, the other two guards on that team

that are probably gonna be WBA lottery picks later this year. So I'm excited for that game. I'm also looking forward to the North Carolina Duke rematch. This is like the rubber match, I guess. Third time they're playing against each other. Series is split right now. Duke was a sneaky, sneakily won the ACC tournament

in women's basketball. We figured they'd do it on the men's side. The women's team, their emphasis is defense, defense, defense, defense. So they have the ability to really like draw out these rock fight type games. And so this will be a huge game for them against obviously their rival, Taylor's alma mater, North Carolina.

The last two, three game I want to talk about in the women's sweet 16 round is NC State and LSU. Again, LSU is a team I think a lot of people are familiar with. Kim Mulkey, obviously the Hall of Fame head coach for LSU. And Flage Johnson, who's in all of the commercials this year, she's in all the Powerade commercials. She's a rapper, she's also a great basketball player. And Anissa Morrow, her teammate is averaging, I think it's 14, 14 rebounds per game. Like, she's just crazy on the board.

So LSU, even though they're a three seed, they had some health stuff at the end of the season that I think impacted their seeding a little bit, but not the best guard play on LSU's team, which is the complete opposite of NC State, which is great guard play. So NC State was a final four team last year. Those two are now playing again in another rematch. There's a lot of rematches in the Sweet 16 round in the Women's NCAA tournament, but that game is going to be, I think, really good as well. So tune in to all of the Women's NCAA Tournament Sweet 16 games this

weekend. They're also, the one seeds, I think they're all probably pretty easily going to go through, except maybe USC now that Juju Watkins is out. They're playing against Kansas State. The five seed, so I will be watching all those Taylor. You're going to tell us now what men's games to look out for this weekend. You mentioned a lot of rematches on the women's side. The storyline I'm looking forward to watching on the sweet 16 is a rematch of a game from November where Duke won at Arizona. And now they're playing against each other in the sweet 16.

I hate to say this, this is Duke's most complete team in decades. God, I hate that you have to say that. And I have this as a if not now, when season for John Shire, because when you look at this Duke team, they really don't have any weaknesses. They have guards, Kahn Kanepel, Tyrese Proctor, Sion James. They all shoot better than 39 percent from three. And then in their front court, they have Molliwatch. And then of course they have Cooper Flag.

And if you're watching this Arizona team, if they are to pull off the upset, it's gonna be because of one player, Caleb Love. And that name might sound familiar. He was the first team, all big 12 player this season for the Wildcats. And the narrative for this Wildcat team has been, they're gonna go as far as Caleb Love will take them in.

In 24 wins this season, he's shooting 46.7 percent from the field in their 12 losses. He's shooting 31.8 percent. So he's a guy who's either going to win you a game or shoot you completely out of it. But there's also drama, Jess. Oh, I love drama. People love the drama. Caleb Love grew up a Duke Jess. Oh, I love drama. People love the drama. Caleb Love grew up a Duke fan.

Oh, no. And he wanted to play for Duke. Duke took another point guard in their class, Jeremy Roach, and was like, hey, you two are going to come here. We'll figure it out. Caleb Love was like, no, we're kind of rivals from USA Basketball. This is not going to work. So Caleb Love went to Carolina just because he wanted to play Duke. And then in 2022 in the final four,

Caleb Love was the one who hit the dagger three to put the final nail in Coach K's coffin. What? Oh, I didn't know any of this. This is great lore. And if, you know how sometimes you say like, I believe something, but you don't really believe it? Like I think Caleb Love would rather beat Duke

and end Duke season than win a national championship. I mean, based off the limited things I know about him, I would believe that. And I also think that a lot of college basketball fans are like, I'd rather see anyone else win than Duke this year and every year. Yeah, and Caleb Love is a, I say this as a Carolina guy,

but he's a very easy guy to root for in terms of a March guy that can get hot, kind of like Kemba Walker. The problem for Arizona, it's hard to see him staying consistent for six games, but against a team like Duke, it only takes one game. And I will say if Caleb Love pulls this upset off, in the Dean Dome. I want his Arizona Jersey in the wrap. The weather is starting to warm up. Regular season starting to wind down. Games of consequence in sports starting to ramp up.

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