The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Happy Thanksgiling Pt. 4! (feat. Nick Wright)

Episode Date: November 27, 2025

"Best nut I ever had." Nick Wright gets hostile over the NFL as a reaction to his personal nemesis, Pablo Torre, having a big morning. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/a...dchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:10 Smer enough. Number 21 vodka, distilled from grain, 40% alcohol by volume, the... Smearnoff Company. New York, New York, please do not share with anyone under legal drinking age. This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugat's podcast. I'm going to get to Nick Wright here in a second, and also I need to get to Billy, because I don't know what his thoughts are on the coaches poll, but he's, I've been told he's got a... Well, Greg's saying stray shots, I mean, for some reason, about the coaches' pull.
Starting point is 00:01:42 I don't know what your deal is, poo-pooing, I guess you're jealous that FAU's not in there, couldn't sniff the coach's poll. Wow. That's right. I went there. Do the coaches have to admit who they voted for? Is it transparent? I actually have a theory on who it was. I think it was James Franklin because Penn State plays FIU this weekend. So I think that if you're James Franklin and you put your opponent in the coach's polls,
Starting point is 00:02:05 then you're like, look, this team was in the coach's poll. Outside looking at the end. It's a working theory of mine. I haven't proved it yet. I'll talk to Pablo, and in eight months we'll figure out if that's true or not. Oh, Nick Wright has a bit of a nemesis issue with Pablo. Before we get to that in a second, bad day to have a nemesis issue with Pablo, incidentally. We'll see what Nick has for.
Starting point is 00:02:26 Pablo in a second but first we've got a new partnership here with nuttiest fan what are we doing here with the i've had some of these hot peanuts they're delicious oh the hampton farms peanuts are they're the best we're doing nutty as fan dan left you speechless i mean it is i mean i was because he said the hot i haven't had the hot i've had the spicy dill pickle and just the classic so i couldn't speak on the hot yet but they're all fantastic and it's the nuttiest fan dan brought to you by hampton farms get nutty with hampton farms the official snack nut of the tailgate and be sure to keep an eye out for Lucy Rodin at Iowa State if you think your team has a nuttiest fan. So here's what we're doing, Dan. I'm going to show you two college
Starting point is 00:03:06 football fans and you're going to tell me who's nuttier. And then you can go to our Instagram. The fans can vote on this and we will reveal later in the week who the nuttiest fan is. The first one, we talked about him a little yesterday. It's the Alabama guy. This guy just throwing a bird in the middle. He saw the camera was on him. He a deadpaned bird. All right. So that's our first option. That's salted peanuts right there. That is salted peanuts right there. That is good camera awareness.
Starting point is 00:03:29 That is. Some of those dill nuts. And competing with this Alabama fan is two UM fans who had an interesting choice of jersey. It's a husband on the back of his UM jersey. It says, I blank in peace. And then his wife, I assume it's his wife sitting next to him. Yeah, you don't know that. Her jersey just says peace.
Starting point is 00:03:51 That's a spicy dill pickle peanut if I've ever seen one. She's the piece. you get it. So these are our two Chris, I can't tell you how poor a spokesman we have when you're doing the spokesmaning. Last time he got a sheet steal out of this
Starting point is 00:04:07 so who knows what he can get out of this. Well, I actually read, the read was fine. It was just the setup could have been better. It was driving the pitchers. It was the U that was not fine. So who's the nuttiest fan? Voted our Instagram. I'm voting for the U.M. fan.
Starting point is 00:04:20 Okay, excellent work by you, professional as always. Let's get to a real professional. Nick Wright. He has issues and has had issues with Pablo Tori. We haven't just always doing this, Dan. You're just fanning the flames. Can I say something about your new sponsor? It's positive. It's not negative. I go to baseball games. And these days, you know what happens? You buy a bag of peanuts. And they're unsolved, like they're plain. Because the whole idea of the peanut is you put it in your mouth, you crack the shell, you spit the shell, out, but it's a lot of flavors in theory. Back when we were a proper country, that's what it was. Go to a Yankee game up here. I don't know. Steinbrenners are saving money on salt. It's just a tasteless shell. So I don't know the name of your sponsor. And I don't have any points on the package. But that sounds like a wonderful product that I
Starting point is 00:05:14 will now try because I like the dill pickle, spicy. It all sounds good. Now you want to talk about Pablo Tori's tweets. I don't care. Not yet. I still want to talk about peanuts. Nick, I have a question for you. So if somebody who eats the shell of the peanut, like just the whole thing, like if it was just one shot, insane or not insane? I have a buddy that eats it that way. He's saying the whole shell, isn't he? I've done that.
Starting point is 00:05:36 Put it on the Polot Levitart show. Do you eat the whole shell when you eat the shell of peanut? You can't do that. I don't. So I know what you're talking about. Tony. Tony. But no, I know Tony.
Starting point is 00:05:47 I know his name. But that's not what I do. But you put the peanut again. I'm risking. getting memed here, but that's okay. You put the whole peanut in your mouth, you crack it open with your molars. You then, you know, depending on how dexterious your mouth is, you can then, you know, bifurcate the actual peanut and the shell. You spit out the shell. Like a sunflower scene. Like a sunflower. Yes, exactly. Part of that is the delicious coating of the
Starting point is 00:06:14 shell. Ridiculous. In today's days are gone. Now, Tony's saying his buddy just goes one shatter. But listen, I know some people that eat the apple core. Like, I almost feel like it is either a sign of lack of, like, it feels very cavemanish, like, which is not a negative. Yeah, it just feels like, you know what? If we, you know, if things ever really go south and we're all on our own, that guy probably has a slightly greater chance of survival. Like he hasn't evolved to, you know, contemporary luxury, which is probably positive.
Starting point is 00:06:49 Nick, when you crack a peanut, do you, like, peel off the skin on it? Because I've read that it's actually beneficial to you health-wise if you eat the skin. Yeah, no, you got to eat the, yeah. I mean, we're not, this isn't, it's not a pommar, pomegranate. Like, we're at a baseball game drinking beers. Like, it's not, we're not trying to be dainty. Speaking, like, speaking of dainty, put this on the poll. Has Pablo Tori eaten one single peanut in the last 30 years?
Starting point is 00:07:17 I'll say no. why what are you what are you doing there what do you imply it's just it's just come on just feel like i agree with him though yeah yeah i mean come on it just if we're like tony's friend who eats the entire peanut with shell i have a visual image of him and i feel like i know that guy a bit and i feel like that guy's not hanging out with pablo that's all he's definitely not yeah am i right all i know is he eats the whole peanut with the shell that's all i know And so, yeah, that's it. We're at a baseball game together, and we're just eating, and he's, like, three people down.
Starting point is 00:07:53 So we started looking, and then all of a sudden the entire bag is gone, but we don't see peanut shells anywhere. And we're like, dude, what did you do with all the peanut shells? He's like, that's how I eat him. That's a vomit. Oh, come on. Nick, you remember a couple years ago when pistachios had a moment that you just saw a bunch of commercials for pistachios? And it was just, like, this green nut. You're like, what is this company?
Starting point is 00:08:11 It's like, no, it's just pistachios. It's just the farmers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's like when we were growing up, the milk lobby was like, we got to put a lot of money into endorsements. And evidently, again, for the fifth time, and this one complimentary, to bring up Pablo, I didn't know there was a tree lobby. I didn't know they had marketing budgets. I didn't know any of this, but I do now.
Starting point is 00:08:35 Well, pistachio seems like a Pablo type of nut. Not a classic nut, but he has like the higher-end nuts, I would think. No, macadamian nut would be the way that Pablo goes. No messiness. that's why you're the goat correct you just nailed it that is absolutely correct macadamia nut
Starting point is 00:08:52 is if there is a higher draft pick of the exact idea that I'm trying clumsily to convey I can't think of it macadamia nut is correct and probably if you were on here he'd be like did you know that's actually
Starting point is 00:09:07 not a nut be like shut up man it's a lagoon it's a lagoon it's a lagoon it's a lagoon no like really Is it, sorry. I just tried a Tony's friend's way
Starting point is 00:09:18 in the way that Dan says he has occasionally done this. Like a circus elephant? Yes. I got to say for like a one-off, not terrible. I like changing the texture. Let me take it for a walk. It's not gross.
Starting point is 00:09:33 If you eat 20 of them and you break it up with the entire salty flavor of the shell as well with the right chosen shells, that's not a terrible decision. At the very least you have to tongue the shell because that's where the salt is. You tongue the shell. Oh, you got this spicy dill.
Starting point is 00:09:48 You brought us Greg Cody. You brought us full circle. This is what I'm saying. If you ever come to New York City during baseball season, I'll take you to a Yankee game, buy you a bag of peanuts. That's gross, Chris. And what you'll notice is there is no,
Starting point is 00:10:04 there's no salt on the shell, which is a bummer. It's totally unheard of. That's crazy. Not terrible. That's obscene. Shout out to Kiki. That's how good these Hampton,
Starting point is 00:10:13 farms peanuts are. You could eat the shell and all. I feel like this is the greatest endorsement ever. We're just doing 10 minutes on this product, and I don't even have any. You should mail me some, at least. Macadamia nuts are coming back as a result for the most opulent nut that is available. However, pine nuts are listed as more expensive than macadamia, where pine nuts range from about $22.3 to $51.61 per pound.
Starting point is 00:10:41 No way, pine nuts. Maccadamian nuts are the most expensive nuts. Well, hold on. Can I ask you a question, Dan? Because even though I've sadly never in person met your father and he's an older Cuban engineer and my dad's an older Italian fireman, I feel like they're similar. Did you growing up in a room of your house have like at not necessarily at all times, certainly around the holidays, just a bowl of like wall? nuts and the like the heart and with us with the and then the like lobster cracker yeah just sitting there yes that occasionally yes that occasionally your father might just to remind you you know if push comes to shove who's in charge break the walnut in his hand
Starting point is 00:11:31 nobody ate those show you he could nobody ate them but they were always out they were available and it felt like it was an intimidation thing at least we're in my dad's one of the greatest men I've ever known, but it feels, I bet, I bet it was similar for you growing up. Yo, Greg's choking. Greg, can we get you some water? He's having some trouble with the simple eating of. No, these are, I'm eating the hot ones. Best nut I've ever had.
Starting point is 00:11:57 Wow. They're so good. Has anyone ever practically used a nutcracker? They're simply decorative, right? Like, no one actually goes and like, oh, I need a new nutcracker. You need them. Yeah, but you're like, my nutcracker is no longer working. Unless your dad's a firefighter who breaks them with his bare hands to intimidate people.
Starting point is 00:12:14 With his hand, yeah, just to let people know who's boss. That's right. We didn't have much money. So the greatest extravagance that we had in our childhood was my father taking us to seers of all places to go to the place where they had the hot nuts. And he would go grab a few of them. And he was pretty famous for just stealing stuff and walking around the grocery store, eating it without paying for it. Yeah. And daring someone to say something to him.
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Starting point is 00:15:30 Don Lebertard. Baker Mayfield, tearing up Tampa Bay, 38 for 45. Stugats. Shredum! This is the... and Lebatar show with the Stoogads. Nick, I want to talk to you about an assortment of football things, but we have a
Starting point is 00:15:56 Tyreek Hill problem in Miami. You know him pretty well and followed him plenty when he was in Kansas City, where the chiefs were smart enough to not allow him to talk in public very often in front of microphones. What can you tell me about what it is you're seeing from Tyreek Hill, who? His last year in Kansas City, he was saying, we're going to win seven or eight championships in a row. He doesn't know how to lose, and now he's not a captain for the Dolphins, and everyone assumes he'll be traded before the end of the year, because if they start losing, he's going to be a problem. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know if I necessarily
Starting point is 00:16:32 agree he's going to be traded, because I don't know if they're going to pull the ripcord before the trade deadline, I do know that I'm very excited for Kansas City Chief in 2026 Tyree Kill. And that's been, that has been written for the last couple of years now. Here is my, this is not a defense of Tyree Kill, okay? But the Tyree Kill and the Dolphin situation, it is analogous, and this is going to be awkward and uncomfortable, but it is, I think, the right analogy. If you are in a long-term serious relationship and somebody cheats, you have a fork in the road moment where you must decide, you know, after a set period of time, am I over it or am I not? And if I'm over it, then it's done with.
Starting point is 00:17:24 We will move forward. It will not be consistently brought up. You won't be six months later in a fight dropped on you. and if you're not over it, then you need to, and you're not going to be able to get over it, you need to break up. The every week, Tua and the team, and being like, yeah, Tyreeks got earned back our trust.
Starting point is 00:17:46 Man, Tyreeks sure was an ass at the end of last year, up to and including them being the only team in the league where the hands down on question best player isn't a captain after being a captain in the last two years, just, it's a half measure. And so I think that, that's foolish. I think that what Tyreek did at the end of the year was awful. And if the dolphins wanted to sever ties at that time, so be it. They can't. They can't. They can't. Right.
Starting point is 00:18:14 So, so then you just got to grin and bear it. Then the public, the public message needs to be, ah, we don't listen to Tyreek. He says a bunch of crazy stuff. They guy runs super fast and is a great receiver and we love him. And yeah, what you can't do is be like, like we don't want you we don't trust you but we need you that's not going to work we all know that's not going to work so i just felt like i feel like this is a half measure that i that i'm not a fan of i'm also curious for you guys i don't know what would be more interesting because i think either of these is possible do what would if type do you think it's on the board that Tyreek was voted a captain and Mike McDaniel's like nope cook the book that's what I said it was just
Starting point is 00:19:09 theorized earlier in the show today that that nobody whatever it's the perfect crime let me run another theory by you Nick so I think that maybe Tyreek comes in and he's feeling some remorse for how he's handled situations and he said you know what guys I don't want to be a captain this year and he showed that he really is a true leader and team captain by removing himself from the ability to be a team Captain, showing both maturity and growth. Yes. And if that happened, then you know what I do to really put a nail in the coffin of this story? When I'm Mike McDaniel announcing the captains, I announce all of them.
Starting point is 00:19:46 And then I say, and one more. Back. Tyreekill! And everyone clap. Oh, yeah, Ty. Because here's the thing. Like, and this is, there would be nothing. What in again, I don't think this happened.
Starting point is 00:20:00 And this is unfair to the thing. to a but it is a fun thought exercise what if Mike McDaniels counting the votes and he's like we got a problem on our hands boys Tyreek got more votes than two like what we can't do is have that have that be the situation now he said it was overwhelming for the six guys who got it and that's fine I just he was I think Tyreek was never a captain with Kansas City which that's the other way to go is be like ah this guy he does a lot of things leadership's not one of them, so we're never going to put that on his plate.
Starting point is 00:20:35 But when he's been the captain in the previous two years, this is a little messy, in my opinion. Hard Knocks concluded last night. It's the most boring Hard Knocks season ever. I know how you feel about the Bills. Did you watch any of that? I have not watched Hard Knocks the last couple of years. And when you say you know how I feel about the Bills, you mean the only person in sports media who's been right about them every single year, the last five years, including last year, when people said, you know, actually it's a real. rebuilding year and old Bill's troll Bill's hater Nick Wright was like nope they're gonna be in the ABC Championship game right again and I actually think that's gonna happen again this year I did not see it I did see Sean McDermott yesterday
Starting point is 00:21:16 in his annual maybe even semi-annual at this point press press conference where he's like people don't understand what great human beings live in Western New York and like what how how amazing our fans are and doing that whole thing because there is some weird monopoly on like Americana base inversely correlated to how awesome your city is. Um, and so he then, he then said twice. He was like, I'm so sick of hearing about the bills and the Super Bowls. They made four straight Super Bowls. That'll never happen again. Oh really, sir. Well, that's interesting because the team that kicked your
Starting point is 00:22:00 teeth in every suit, every playoffs has made. three straight. That feels to me like a Freudian guarantee that the chiefs aren't making the Super Bowl. Noted. I haven't noted. I haven't noted alongside all of the nonsense I've heard about the defining dynasty of the defining sport of our time. And no one ever again will make four straight Super Bowls unless, of course, the Chiefs do what they do every year, which is make the Super Bowl. In terms of hurt for you personally where you invest your mouth and your heart, last year's loss in the Super Bowl for you, and money, yes, and money. Your feelings when you lost the Super Bowl last year to Philadelphia and loudly had proclaimed that you wouldn't lose,
Starting point is 00:22:43 where did that one rank in terms of after it's over, you're actually hurting? Worst sports loss of my life, Dan. Thanks for bringing it up on the eve of the new season. Is it the worst? It's the worst sports loss of your life? Just financially? I hit for the trifecta financially professionally emotionally all of it you know I'm a I'm a max pleasure max pain guy I know Dan likes the trials and travails of my you know financial gain and ruin
Starting point is 00:23:15 So I'll tell you guys a fun little one then I'll get to the real emotion of it I had obviously made a lot of bets before the year and during the year chief's future bets I also am in a very, it's kind of convoluted, but it is a gambling what I will call consortium where future bets are traded like stocks and you can be like, hey, I'll give you 100 shares of the Chiefs for 200 shares of the Lions and doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:23:49 Moral of the story is going into that Super Bowl because I am such a sharp gambler, I was in a position where if the Chiefs lost the game, I lost less than $10,000. But if they won the game, I won close to 80 because of all the swaps and trades I'd made. So for a normal person, that would be the action. I'm like, I can't not bet the actual game too.
Starting point is 00:24:17 So Chiefs minus two and a half. Give me a lot of that. They're gonna win by a field goal then they got curbstumped. So that wasn't great. The reason it's the worst sports loss in my life, Dan, is a couple, the, you know multi-fold one is prima homes the chiefs never played in big games I heard my you know my dear friend and mentor Colin Coward say Patrick
Starting point is 00:24:38 Mahomes got dropped in the greatest situation any player had ever been in the Can City Chiefs in the 30 years before Patrick Mahomes had gotten there one one playoff game in the 50 years before he had gotten there they've been to one conference championship game in the seven years since he's been there they've been to seven straight and five Super Bowls but that's neither here nor there it was emotionally devastating because they entered that day with the opportunity to become the greatest team in the history of American team sports and that's now gone like they they if you win three
Starting point is 00:25:10 straight Super Bowls you know and get to win four out of five or I'm sorry it would have been four out of six and all of it you're just minted and I do I think that they're ever going to have a chance to win like win one game be the greatest team of all time that'll probably never have happen again. So yeah, that's why it was devastating on all fronts. Luckily, in 30 hours, that's last year. And last year might as well be 100 years ago. We're into 2025. What are you excited about this season beyond the Chiefs? Oh, so much. I'm excited about the annual tradition of it's not Lamar's fault. Look at the EPA per play. I'm very excited about that.
Starting point is 00:26:00 I'm very excited about the cope that we're going to have in late January when Lamar either wins another MVP or comes close to it and I listen to all the smartest football people I know explain to me how he's actually playing the quarterback position at the highest level ever and if you look at all of his interceptions last year when there were only four three of them actually weren't his fault he's solved it And then when once again, he plays one of his worst games of the year in the playoffs, they're like sample size You moron, you think the results matter, you idiot, you Neanderthal, you think there's such a thing as a big game quarterback Haven't you seen the Ravens DVOA? I'm excited for that I'm excited for what I think could be a monster year from Baker Mayfield and a team that I think's going to make the Super Bowl the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I am very excited about that and I am also excited to see what the
Starting point is 00:27:09 rationale come around week 14 when Kansas City is about to clinch the AFC West how all the folks who were like well listen I know Mahomes is great but have you seen Bo Nix what they're saying because that is there is there is no hotter take out there on the sports marketplace than Bo Nix is going to be the guy that dethrones the greatest quarterback of all time, and that's going to age quite poorly. You couldn't help yourself, though. I asked you non-chiefs division, and you always bring it back to the chiefs. You cannot have an interest that doesn't somehow involve the chiefs. I asked you non-chiefs division. Dan's, Dan, it's 1938.
Starting point is 00:27:57 Dan's hosting a physics talk show and he's like hey non-Einstein tell me what you want and then you'll be end up referencing somebody and he's like you you Rube why where's Oppenheimer when you need him I don't know man yeah you're right I do think that the that in 20 in the 2020s that the Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes are the main character of the movie and everyone else is supporting actors. I don't like your hostility and I think it's born just because Pablo's having a big morning. Big morning.
Starting point is 00:28:37 I think that that's what the problem is. That you're just, that you're, that Pablo's having a big morning and you hate it and there's nothing you can. I don't hate it. That's the thing. I think I really legitimately respect the, and I think important. important niche he's carved out and I mean you there's there's no other way to in six be do you know how groundbreaking your work has to be to in six months become you know according to Time magazine a more influential podcaster than Joe
Starting point is 00:29:17 Rogan or Dan Levittard I mean those guys have been working at it for 30 years or 20 years and I I want listen here's the deal I want to root for Pablo. But then, occasionally, things like his name being in the mini crossword and him tweeting it, okay, fine, I'd probably do the same thing. But then also tagging in the picture, the Peabody Awards makes it to where I just can't, I just can't see that exist and not react like it's again I'm happy for the guy I suppose and the work he's doing is in our silly cartoon world quite important
Starting point is 00:30:14 and I do like the fact that he's actually getting the documents and doing journalism I don't know you know I'd like I haven't followed up on the Malik Beasley expose because I thought he had him dead to rights and then I guess the feds disagree I don't know I actually tend to side with Pablo on it so there's a lot of these things that I think are relevant and good but then like again there was there was a moment in time where Pablo is doing the mini crossword he sees his name and he's like this is awesome and then he's like I should screenshot it and then he's like I should I shouldn't just text this to
Starting point is 00:30:52 my mom or my friends I should tweet it and then right before he hit send he was like any should I anybody I should tag should I tag the New York Times no everyone knows its times what if I tagged the Peabody Award that's just I'm sorry that's hilarious that is objectively hilarious and it and I can't get over it I just can't don libertard yeah we got to go back out there that was big wake him up oh he doesn't want he doesn't want to be bothered anymore now it's getting tense because he didn't need that as a result. He needs something that happens.
Starting point is 00:31:31 You can see it, Mother Ethel. Can we bother? Are we bothering you right now? Turn on your microphone, Greg. My microphone's on. Stugats. Paint the scene. The paint the scene is I got to go to work.
Starting point is 00:31:43 Good night. This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugats. I mean, I love Pablo, but that was worth lampooning. That is worth, yes. Also worth lampooning is that he joined us to talk about his story today from the Harvard Club. But what did you think about the actual story? What was your reaction to reading some of the details you've read on what you'd agree would be the biggest sports story of our day? Yes, before football starts?
Starting point is 00:32:23 um it's the most important sports story of the day now first things first just got expanded so it's three hours long i'm not sure if we have quite enough time in those three hours to talk about kauai leonard on the eve of football but if maybe if we get to a fourth hour i think we would have fitted in um here i mean honestly you're going to hate this answer but my my reaction is these are the These are the lengths the league has to go to prevent LeBron from getting six rings. It's just unbelievable. He was going to sign with the Lakers. They was going to have AD and Kauai and rip off a whole bunch of them.
Starting point is 00:33:06 And then they're like, we'll look the other way, pay him extra. He wants to be in L.A. But we can't have that happen. So that was my first reaction. My second reaction is it seems a little clumsy. like in today's day and age I would have thought there's easier ways for a multi-billionaire to slide a guy a few million bucks like maybe maybe balmer and kawai if this is true need to spend a little more time in the high-stakes gambling world there's there's a lot of
Starting point is 00:33:40 ways to transfer millions of dollars that don't involve notarized contracts with LLCs Like, that seemed odd, but that's, I'm impressed, I'm impressed that they got the info. I do think it's noteworthy. My guess is this gets a little swept under the rug. But any time you can get, you can include in your media that cool, like, voice distorter thing, it's a win. Like, I'm a big fan of that. And in the, in the, in, if we were to stack up all of the instances, someone was like, I need the face and voice
Starting point is 00:34:19 disdorter. I don't know where whistle blowing on Kauai Leonard's extra money ranks on it, but it's, you know, it is, that is, that is, I think, charming as well. I'm surprised to hear you say though that you're underwhelmed as you are by what
Starting point is 00:34:37 might be the ramifications of this so it doesn't make your three hours of conversation today because I do believe whatever you imagine the penalties are going to be here. If I gave you the penalties today there would be no circumstance under which you would tell me that's not a story you're talking about oh that so that's actually if you know if you guys all pull back the curtain a bit that's actually one of the reasons that i don't think we're going to talk about it today on the
Starting point is 00:35:02 show is it to me it goes one of two ways either the NBA turns a blind eye in which case it's a story but like what it's it's a better written article long-form podcast thing than seven-minute television segment or there's real penalties and if there's real penalties then we'll have obviously ample time to talk about it I don't I would I would set the over under at penalty for this at one and a half second round picks and I would probably take the under because my guess is this is this is And this is not a shot at the story or the reporting at all.
Starting point is 00:35:51 This is more about the league. My guess is it's just easier for them to be like, like we got to kind of do nothing because the real penalty, it feels like a Max Men situation. The real penalty would be way, way, way worse than what happened to Joe Smith. Or the Timberwolves, is it Joe Smith? Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, the Timberwolves of Joe Smith.
Starting point is 00:36:17 And I don't, do we think the NBA wants to just generationally kneecap, you know, the Clippers and that new arena? Not the NBA, but the other owners. I believe the other owners will be pissed off enough about this. And what you said, which is the Lakers could have had him and we're going to have him and the Clippers evidently cheated in order to get it. Or does Nick think that the other owners are like, damn it, they're on to our circumvention. Right. Well, that's, there, I want to be very careful with. this okay and so careful that I don't even want to say the names go on um there was a very
Starting point is 00:36:56 unique thing that happened with one of the league's absolute super marquee franchises and super marquee players like seven years ago where a player a player who was a clear max player arguably one of the very very best players in the league took less money on an extension than he could have and it saved it was like six million dollars less than he could have gotten and it saved the team zero dollars in cap space they were over the cap whatever but it saved the owner like third again 30 million call it in luxury tax okay but it didn't help the team on the court at all there was no competitive reason to do it it was you know a hundred millionaire player losing out on 6 million so the owner who's a multi-billioner could save 30 and it never made
Starting point is 00:37:53 sense and the only way that to me ever made sense was if the owner was like hey man uh rather than me send the league office 30 million to pay you six here's a flash drive that's got 10 million in crypto on it i'm going to leave that on the table and you figure out whatever contract you want like I always felt like that specific instance was so illogical that there had to be like, okay, we'll make you a hole on the back end. Maybe it wasn't as simple as the, you know, crypto drive, but something. And so I do, I wonder how prevalent things similar to this are, just maybe not as ham-handed as a no-show contract.
Starting point is 00:38:42 Can you guys look up for me some of the information on Anthony Car. with the heat because I remember something happened with him where I remember it very well okay tell Nick the details on this because I assumed that the heat had some sort of side deal because that's what I always what Anthony Carter and his agent ended up doing yeah I mean Nick we're talking back this is 2004 and Anthony Carter had a player option which he his agent forgot to opt into the money that the heat now didn't have to pay him allowed them to sign Lamar Odom and Anthony Carter ended up missing out on back then what was a pretty significant amount of money and it really benefited the heat. And I always thought, you know what? Because I don't think
Starting point is 00:39:21 even Anthony Carter fired his agent after it. I was like, ah, you know, he's being made hole somewhere along the way. Was that the agent? Like, it's an agent who would never make that mistake. Was that Bill Duffy? Like, but you think, you think this is a whole hummer that the NBA is just going to skip past? I don't, I, again, because I poked fun. at Pablo i i don't want it i don't want to uh be misconstrued here i do not think this is a ho-hum story i think this is legitimately excellent journalism i think it is it seems like they've got them dead to rights i think it is too it is the path of least resistance is to find a way to skip past it i didn't think it was and again people get very
Starting point is 00:40:12 again I'll try to be careful I didn't think it was a whole hummer when it was like hey crazy thing maybe the greatest baseball player ever certainly of our generation his translator has simply the greatest credit limit of any gambler in America oh okay no problem nothing to see here at some I know that never and again maybe this is because I'm very in like legitimate kind of high-stakes gambling worlds that's the type of credit limit that really can only be extended to someone who is known to have tens of millions of dollars and I didn't now again maybe that maybe the translator just
Starting point is 00:41:01 had the worst bookie and they just you know maybe they thought he's backstopped I don't know that to me felt like there's it doesn't quite make sense to me but the easiest thing for everyone was to be like, that guy's a gambling addict. That guy's a gambling addict with a very irresponsible bookmaker. It's like, okay. Like that struck me as odd. And so sometimes I think on these things,
Starting point is 00:41:26 the path of least resistance is the way the path people go. He is the host of What's Right with Nick Wright. He's on FS1's First Things First. You can watch him on First Things First. Weekdays at 3 p.m. Eastern on FS1. We have less than 50 seconds left. your answer or rebuttal to your nemesis, Mina Kimes, claiming that you fraudulently had two different number one teams that you told her, the Ravens, are the best team in the NFL, and then months
Starting point is 00:41:51 later you went on with Dan Patrick and said the chiefs are the best team in the NFL. Wow. Okay. Well, Nina, Mina sets up her show where that it's, she gives you a binary choice. She says, I think it was Eagles or Raven. I could only pick one of them. And so Mina is, Mina and I, I almost have to be clear on this, because my bosses and her friends thought our, like, we were really at a real beef.
Starting point is 00:42:23 And so I actually adore Mina and, you know, and she's obviously much, much smarter about, you know, the most boring parts of football than me. I can kind of just see the actual landscape of the league better. But I had no choice there. And Mina cannot question my take integrity. There's a lot of things. You can make fun of my nose. You can say I might have a gambling problem.
Starting point is 00:42:45 You can question how I, you know, got the platform that I did. All those things, you can call me outright obnoxious. That's fine. Do not question my commitment to take integrity in any circumstance. So that's what happened. Obviously, I think the chiefs are the best team in the league. But again, I'm not as smart as the folks that are like, actually, if you look at adjusted EPA over a five-year-old,
Starting point is 00:43:08 stretch the Ravens are historically great and the playoffs they don't really matter um by the way subscribe to the podcast please you guys listeners i would appreciate it uh what's right Nick right thank you it is great and he does it with his son and he said he said we can make fun of his nose he said we can make fun of his nose dan i have something better than that's not germane to the conversation dan i have something better than that louis can you pull up he met somebody that is very famous online and it was i was very excited to to see this collaboration. Once we get it on the screen, it's going to be exciting.
Starting point is 00:43:43 Nick, you, Nick, you met Coozine. Oh, this is good. Looking into a mirror. You have me and Coogeen. Me and Coogeen. This was a good bit. This was a good bit we did. Oh, my God. Me and Coogeen. Yeah. Me and Coogeen. That was a good bit.
Starting point is 00:43:59 Yeah. Again, what's right with Nick Wright? He does it with its son. It's different. And he's allowing us to make fun of his nose. So there it is. He said it is. indeed a shadow on his teeth. Testing a shadow on your teeth. Nick, it's good, it's good to see you.
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