The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Hating From Outside The Club (feat. Jessica Smetana & Channing Frye)

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

"Just 'cause you yell does not make it right." Jessica is here to talk college football, but she's more interested in The Chair Company. Channing Frye is here to talk NBA, but he's more interested in Kevin Love's charcuterie boards. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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by the Bank or Bank N.A or Stride Bank N.A. Members FDICC. Spot me eligibility. requirements and overdraft limits apply. Timing depends on submission of payment file. Fees apply at out-of-network ATMs. Bank ranking and number of ATMs, according to U.S. News and World Report 2023. chime checking account required. This is the Dan Levator show with the Stucat's podcast. I'm not sure I've ever been more shocked at the end of an episode of any kind of television than I was at the end of the chair company this week. In terms of being surprised by something, I don't think it's... ever happened to me quite this way before. Why is Jessica already laughing? It was so funny, but so shocking. Can we see spoilers on the show, please? Well, okay, give it. Well, I, I'd like to watch, but it's fine. Look, I've already probably ruined it by saying it's as shocked as I've ever known.

You know what, Dana. I'll let you know, Mike, when to come back. I'd like to leave, too, but I don't really have that option. What are we doing? You can leave. This is the way I'll put it, right? To say it's shocking makes people think of a certain, oh, like a cliphanger or something. There's a twist. Like Chris is holding his ears and saying la la la because he doesn't want to hear, oh, the killer is actually me or whatever. No, it's so off-kilter. You would never expect it.

Nothing. In a million years, if I gave you a million guesses, you couldn't possibly guess how that episode ended. And yet it was so hilarious. I laugh so hard. Moments before the scene, I was, I was watching in the afternoon yesterday, moments before my kids came in the room. Okay, just let me slow every, I don't want to spoil this, but Jessica, please continue with the understanding that we don't want to ruin this any more than I already have for the audience. We won't spoil it. Let's say it doesn't have a lot to do with the actual plot and what will happen in the next episode.

I'm assuming, although you never really know with Tim Robinson, it was a shocking final scene to an episode. And what I posted this on my Instagram story. I don't think this is a spoiler. Did you post it? No, well, not that. I posted an article about the scene that we're talking about on my Instagram story from Forbes that says,

can the chair company do that? Like, can they do that? That's what I thought. So that was my, also my takeaway was, so I guess they filmed this for the show. This isn't some other film that they inserted. Can Mike come back?

It's not, it's not, it was a, yes, the show created that scene. Oh, really? Yeah, it wasn't aggregated from somewhere else. I'm assuming that's the case. I don't think the creators have confirmed it, but they haven't really talked about it yet. I'm going to guess by the way the dialogue went, yes. You know, the crazy thing is Tim Robinson has a certain brand of humor. If you've watched Detroiters, if you've watched, I think you should leave.

you get a, or friendship. You get a good vibe. Friendship was my first introduction. I haven't seen the other stuff. Okay, so you get a vibe for what his humor is like. And this show, I think, falls within those bounds. This end scene was so far out of bounds from his typical humor lane that it, like, again, I thought it was hilarious, but also I was shocked. It's just so shocking, but also hilarious.

I was waiting for a Muppet to show up. Adam McKay is part of the production of that. And I just think he's testing all licensing and government boundaries at this point, that he's gone fully off of the deep end and just creatively is making whatever the hell he wants and daring someone to stop him. He has gone off the deep end. I mean, HBO had to be cool with it. Right.

Like, how did he explain that to HBO before they hand it in that episode? You can't watch it on an airplane, clearly. No. I mean, you know, the crazy thing just started to cut you up. But, like, think about this. This is a type of show that I would say, yeah, absolutely you can watch the show on an airplane because it's mostly Tim Robinson doing faces and using his voice and stuff like that. And so to have that was just like, maybe not on a plane.

Can we also say that there's a scene? Yeah, no, we're not going to spoil it. There's a scene midway through the show where there becomes like a chase sequence that feels very A24. And it was so stressful but also so low stakes because there's a scene. The show is obviously like a comedy, but I was still, like, sweating while I was watching it. It just is incredible that he's able to do this. I feel like Safty Brothers found dead in a ditch. Tim Robinson has now surpassed them in terms of creating thriller content in video form.

It's what makes the show brilliant, is that it's shot and the score and everything about it is a spy thriller, but it is clearly a comedy. But if you're not paying attention, if you were like washing the dishes and doing your taxes or whatever, and you had it in. the background, you think it's just like, it's like the Americans or a show like that. Moving on to other college football things. I want to start here with Zazlo was saying yesterday, I haven't heard a whole lot of people who are down on Gus Johnson, but then I heard Mike Valenti, and I've not heard the entirety of this sound, but someone in Detroit, who is named Mike Valenti, who is a broadcaster, is very critical here of Gus Johnson. And what I guess he's saying, I would assume that

the enthusiasm that Gus shows sometimes people think it's contrived instead of authentic. That's the greatest objection I've heard to him. What does Mike Valenti have to say? Can we say that maybe we need to give Gus Johnson a cup of tea or something before he makes these calls? No, no. Can we

say that a network executive needs to sit him down and go, here's the deal, you putts? You're not the storyline. The game is. That was such a fake response. He didn't lose his damn voice. He faked it. He's fake. His whole existence is fake. He sits here acting like, oh, oh, U of D. Man, ain't nobody's seen you at U of D Jesuit. Shut up, you. Guys, nothing but a charlatan. What a fake-ass call. He ruins everything he touches.

He lost his voice. No, he didn't. He's a fake. Well, no, I think he did because every play on that drive was, oh my God. Because he's fake. They aren't all that great of a play. Right. So now, when the moment is the moment, you've cried Wolf so many times. None of us can be bothered. He ruined the moment. He ruins everything. Does somebody else say something? There's not much for me to say.

He said it at all. I don't dislike him. I hate him. He ruins everything. It's kind of hated from outside the club, right? I feel like he's doing the same thing. He's like, he's the radio host who cried, Wolf. Why is he getting so upset over this?

The next time something even worse happens, I'm not going to believe him because he got so excited about Gus Johnson's call. Dan, everybody knows this guy. He's like, man, it's probably whacking there anyway, man. That shit probably sucks for a real. No, man, that's who's hating, man? Who doesn't like Gus Johnson? You don't like Gus Johnson? He doesn't like football, though, I mean.

Let's be honest. That's true. You don't? That game-winning call, Gus Johnson sounds the same as a great catch in the first quarter. Doesn't do it for me. Lay up in the first half in the NCAA sounds the same as the buzzer-beater at the end of the game March Madness. Like, he does, I don't enjoy him on the call.

You know what Zaz is doing? Hayden from outside the club. Exactly. This is the thing, though. Zaz knows what real enthusiasm sounds like, and it sounds like this. I like that guy. We can all agree, right? I don't even know who you were talking about.

Do you know who you were talking about there? I think it was Norman Powell, because I really like Norman Powell these days. I like that guy. I thought you were going to play Tony Romo's sound from last week and say that's what real enthusiasm sounds like. No, it was Andrew Wiggins. When he's not your main score, as your main score, you know, but as your fourth score. I like that guy.

That's true. Sure. When you watch what's happening at LSU, can someone please explain to me the buyout money situation? Because I read some quotes in a CNN article from anonymous boosters saying, hey, that money's make-believe. We don't actually have that money. We've got to go get that money. So explain to me what's happening with the buyout? Yeah, so Dan Wetzel wrote a story for ESPN a couple nights ago that apparently LSU is taking the stance that they never actually terminated Brian Kelly

because now they're trying to fire him for cause to avoid paying the full $54 million buyout. And they informed Brian Kelly of this on Monday. So Brian Kelly's representatives, I believe, presented a court filing saying that that wasn't true and that they have since his alleged firing, I suppose, they've tried to reach a settlement over the buyout, which is sort of common that, you know, he would settle for a number that would make sense and get the money up front rather than installments. And then that would also negate the offsetting money element if he does get another job, but they weren't able to reach a settlement.

So this is basically LSU just trying to get out of paying the $54 million, it seems like, and maybe potentially bring up some things that they claim would make Brian Kelly look bad or maybe damages reputation in the process. That's sort of like me alleging, like, if they really want to get messy with it or not. because it does seem like both sides sign the contract you owe him the money so you should probably have to pay him the money it's a very curious approach too when you're trying to hire high profile coaches that are watching you go to litigation over the last guy that you hired wait if i sign a contract with you i'm not going to get all my money this is a five-star job and lSU since firing brian kelly has done every possible thing to make this look

like a circus, you would have thought they would have been prepared to meet the moment, but they are actually making this job unappealing. That can't be. That can't be right. No, this can't be the approach. When you have representatives of the university saying, like, when you have governors getting involved, saying... I think their brands taking a big hit.

When Donald Trump may have influence over your head coaching surge according to local officials, like, this whole thing has turned into such a mess. Meanwhile, Auburn, who had that reputation is like, they got their shit together. They're clean. They have alignment.

Yeah. The governor's press conference, I think, did damage, but was like, okay, we can look past that because he's just trying to make a point. He's a politician and he wants brownie points for being the one who let go of this expensive head coach. But then his comments about these college football contracts being too expensive, which, like, personally, I agree with. Like, I think 10-year-long, $100 million contracts are bad business for coaches, for colleges. But that's not something that you say when you want to attract a head coach who wants to earn. that kind of salary obviously so then like the firing of the athletic director which was there's another long ross delinger article in yahoo about the power struggle between them and how they didn't really get along um that doesn't sort of make them look bad too and then they uh promoted the interim

athletic director and then like seemed like they wanted to take that back too and then they were like no he is the athletic director so like there's been a lot of drama involved and then i think this brian kelly contract thing is the most uh recent piece of drama where for once it seems like you A lot of people are on Brian Kelly's side, and they're like, you know, LSU should probably just pay him the money. Like, we don't like the guy, but you do owe him the money. It feels like everywhere you turn these days, there's another fee. Buy a ticket, there's a fee. Pay a bill, fee.

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This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. Jessica, Mike mentioned Auburn, and that reminded me that Tommy Tuberville said that New York City will be Muslim in three to four years. Yes, that's true. Have you taken your shahara yet, and do you need any mosque recommendations? I would, yeah, we can offline about this if you want. I would love that to me. I think it would be better if we did it online because there are a lot of people in New York

are like, well, going to be most of them. I might as well throw myself into it. The unlucky day. You could help a lot of people. Let's online about it then. Give me your wrecks. Well, there's one on 92nd Street that I think is remarkable. It's great access to the subways.

You've got the great food carts right across the street. What is that? I'm writing this time. Oh, you're right. Oh, she's typing. Dan likes this bit a lot, I can tell. But one last thing on the LSU job search. Say you're Lane Kiffin, who's had, you know, a checkered past.

He's been fired on a tarmac before. There have been burning mattresses in his wake. He's watching what's happening with Brian Kelly as he's got basically the entire world available to him. And he's like, wait a second, you're not paying your head coach? What, like that is certainly a drawback when you're evaluating jobs when you're a top line guy like Lane Kiffin right now. Yeah, but I mean, that is what the law. lawyers are for. And that's what the money is. I still think money talks. I don't think, like, I know I said that this was all sort of embarrassing. I don't know how embarrassing it really is. Like you said, Mike, there's so many marquee jobs open in this coaching cycle that coaches will be able to choose between different schools. But if you look at a situation like Florida, like is their administration in a much better place than LSU's from like a organizational standpoint. Like that seems to have been a big issue over the last few years for Florida. Um, honestly, yeah, it just, this is why you pay the lawyers a lot of money.

It seems like Brian Kelly thinks he's going to win, uh, win his case and get the buyout money. So I guess that's why you pay them. Jess, what stood out to you with the college football playoff last night? Um, I don't, I have a lot of thoughts about this week's rankings versus last weeks where I was kind of like, me on. There wasn't that much that I think stood out. I think the committee is probably hoping that the ACC and the big, uh, big, Big 12 just kind of work themselves out because it's very complicated right now that you have Miami as the highest ranked ACC team,

but they are almost certainly boxed out of the ACC championship game, which, by the way, I still think there's a path there. I think the ACC is dumb enough that something weird, something extremely chaotic could happen at the end of the season. Mike was mentioned, Mike and I were talking earlier. Mike thinks there's, I mean, it's a nuclear option that where maybe the ACC champion doesn't even make the playoff. Yeah, there's a common misnomer. Yeah, common misnomer. We talked about that last year, too, Mike. I remember we were talking about the...

With the Big 12. Yeah. Yeah. They take the five highest ranked conference champions. Yeah, it doesn't matter what conference. Right now, they kind of set the table for USF and James Madison could be ranked higher than a Duke team that has four losses, but somehow finds its way. Yeah, it's pretty fascinating. I think overall pretty good that Miami's just in that conversation.

There's still some curious things over there. They're doing this with the SEC again. Like, Vanderbilt's had a very good season, very good quarterback, but why is Vanderbilt ranked where they're at? Like, what have they done this season? Like, truly, who's their best win? They're 0-and-2 against ring teams. So you're arguing that Vanderbilt should be lower because I've seen SEC fans argue that Vanderbilt should be higher. So this is very funny.

Which is not surprising, but they haven't done anything. Utah and Vanderbilt's position in particular are very confusing to me. Let's discuss this because this is one of the interesting things that someone who is a fan of a football team that's not in a conference. I have like zero conference allegiance. I couldn't care less, which as how many SEC teams or Big Ten teams or ACC teams get in. It just doesn't matter to me. I don't have like conference brain, but I see fans of other schools who are in conferences, cheer for the conference to try to prop up their school. And I understand, I understand why and how all of that works, obviously. But Vanderbilt is depending on where you stand on this one is, is an interesting case

because they have two losses, quote unquote good losses, to Alabama and Texas. And the Texas game in particular was pretty close. Both games were close, but the Texas game in particular was very close. But if you look at their wins, South Carolina, which was like their big win at the beginning of the season, they've had a really bad season. Missouri's quarterback got hurt during the Vanderbilt game. LSU, of course, fired their head coach. We just talked about Auburn also fired their head coach.

So they don't have like a marquee win in the conference, even though when the season started, It was like, wow, can Vanderbilt get to six and six? Can they make a bowl game? Wow, can they make the, you know, SEC championship game? But like, they've beaten a bunch of teams in the SEC that I think we can all agree aren't great teams. I mean, if you fired your head coach, I think you have to admit it's not a great football team. But I've seen arguments that like, why is Vanderbilt behind Notre Dame? Notre Dame has two losses as well.

And I mean, I think the obvious thing is that Notre Dame beat USC and that USC win is being propped up as, you know, Notre Dame's best win so far. So yeah, Mike, I think that that's funny that you could take a team like Vanderbilt and look at either side of the argument. Utah, briefly, I do want to also mention because they have two losses. They lost to BYU earlier this season and they lost to Texas Tech. But they did beat Cincinnati and Arizona Sims. Yeah, no, that's right.

But just Sims was playing. They were Arizona Sims at the point. They beat Arizona State with their backup quarterback. Their one good win is Cincinnati, right? now. I don't understand how the argument for Utah. You have to be particularly heartbroken because the stat from Gabby Ureisha

was that... Uriita. Uriita, the stat from the University of Miami is that lost four games in the last two years by a combined 18 points, the most at SMU in overtime, and you're not going to make the playoffs

either year. In a year that has two losses all over the place. For me, again, as always, for Miami, the toughest hurdle for them to clear is to go through the month of December without losing again. I think that they have a really good argument. When you look at the top 35 teams are really good. When you look at top 25 wins, there's, I mean, it's pat-itly absurd if Notre Dame finishes ahead of Miami in the rankings, given that they went head-to-head. But we don't need to have that conversation because Miami has to beat three teams. Let me just, I agree. I agree. Like,

I do think that a lot of times we argue in the beginning of November and then by the end of the season, like Alabama loses to Oklahoma and a lot of it works itself out. So I do think a lot of it is the amount of vitriol that the committee gets for like the first two weeks of rankings is like, okay, guys, like they've got to put some teams somewhere. Let's all take a deep breath. But the Louisville thing is interesting, Mike, because I know like you probably don't want to talk about this. But Louisville has overtime losses to Virginia and Cal. We know Virginia's at the top of the ACC conference. And Cal is not. Cal is, I think, a four-loss team right now.

They have a freshman quarterback, but they're still, I guess, feisty. They're okay. They lost to San Diego State earlier this year, who's one of the better teams in the Mountain West. They lost to Duke and Virginia, who are obviously very good. And they also lost to Virginia Tech, who also fired their head coach. So Louisville's losses, like one is totally, I think, quote-unquote good loss. One is much worse loss, but they have a head-to-head win over Miami, and they're still ranked behind Miami.

So I guess like the circular logic here is like if you think that Louisville or if you think Miami should be ahead of Notre Dame, that would mean Notre Dame is probably like a 12 to 15th ranked team. Miami is probably a top 10 team. But Louisville has a top 10 win over Miami. Then shouldn't Louisville also by that logic be ahead of Miami. Yeah. Well, I would say that if all things are in a vacuum, Louisville should probably be ranked the highest

there. But the committee has shown us in previous years when it was a smaller tournament that they also take injuries into account. Isaac Brown is a huge injury for Louisville. He dominated Miami's a home run threat. So I don't think Louisville's actually going to go through the rest of the season clean because of that injury. Yeah, I mean, I think that's where it's like, okay, it will probably work itself out. But we can have the argument before a conference championship weekend if there is still a fine line between 10 and two teams in the same conference that haven't played. each other, which is why giant conferences are stupid, and we shouldn't have done that.

And at the very bare minimum should have kept the divisions, because then we'd at least have more teams playing against each other, like, and similar opponents in the same pod. But at least there's not a Big Ten private capital, you know, deal that's moving forward without Michigan and USC or anything. We're out of time. The weekly Notre Dame podcast is called Echoes. It's with Mike Golick Jr. Zazzo, you know about the special guest this week?

You know about Jessica's got a special guest today? I've got a special guest this week. What are you giving us there, Jessica? What do you know about the former Transportation Secretary of Mayor of South Bend? I don't know that fool. Mayor Pete? You don't know Pete Buttigieg? Oh, he did that?

Okay, very good. I don't know his resume, whatever, man. You know my resume? The Echoes with Mike Golick Jr. With Jessica and Mike, Mike, what are you doing? What's the matter with you? I thought you'd know about that. I don't.

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Don Liba-Tard. Again started on the breakfast lawn. Oh, man. I've been singing a song to myself. one morning on breakfast flaunt Stugats Have you never heard the breakfast flound song? No, hit me with it

Okay I wish I had some breakfast Flan Breakfast flound Where can I find a breakfast like that Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da This is the Dan Leibatar show With the Stugats

He's an NBA champion, he's a 14-year veteran of the league, an analyst for NBA TV. You can catch Handels as the co-host of NBA.com. Handles is the show and also the podcast, The Road Trippin' show. Channing Fry is with us, and there's a number of basketball issues to talk about, but what do you find more interesting? If I put in front of you all of the following, I say the gambling scandal, I say the Pablo Kauai stuff, or I say Nico and Luca, when I say headlines in the NBA, which is the most interesting to you right now, Channing?

I think it's obviously the Nico and Luca thing. You know, I think because I don't know all the details and just hearing things from guys like Shams, who definitely got the scoop more than most people, it's just interesting for a player to be moved of his caliber and no one else is getting the blame for that. I think that's a team decision. And so for me, I was always like, there's no way you can move a guy like that. And then

all of a sudden now Nico's taking the blame for it. I think if he brought up that idea, I think there are a lot of GMs that bring up ideas. It's a matter of who's okaying it. So for me, I'm just interested to see how that plays out. But you know, hey, it's, when you look at the Dallas Mavericks, I don't think on paper,

they are that bad. They're just injury prone. But expectations at the beginning of the year were huge. And they just can't kick that thing in the ocean right now. So something had to happen. Channing, how would you feel if you played for the Mavericks and they traded Luca Dantz? You had just gone to the finals a few months earlier. Man, listen, honestly, I probably would think what did they know that I didn't know? Or are we getting ready to blow this up? Honestly, I just think, you know, when you have older vets, right? Remember like when Boston traded KG to the nets, right? You would go, okay, I understand. It's time to move on.

we've won they're getting a little bit older what is he 25 26 you're right I just for me you would you'd have to have a conversation if possible of like what was your thinking behind this like we've got to the pinnacle it's hard enough with homegrown guys to get there and to do what he was doing um you know I just don't know those those details so the decision was made and now you look at them and damn the lakers are disgustingly nice this year they're winning tough games. They're playing a different style of basketball than they have in the last few years. So it's going to be interesting. How often in your career over 14 years have you thought my management team is totally incompetent? Zero. Who has a management team? Chetty Frye, listen,

I thought. No, no. Your teams, yes. Your team's management is whatever it is, people thought of Nico seems to have been confirmed eight months later where the players are like, what are we doing? I mean, but the thing is, is he can't make shots for them, right? I mean, listen, you got the number one pick, right? And he's playing out of position. It's hard enough to go to the league. If you're a 6-3 guard and you've been a 6-3 guard since you were in seventh grade and now you're in the league, you're playing your position.

This guy was a forward and now you're playing them at point guard. You're going to take lumps early. Clay's getting off to a slow start, PJ. I think they're 29 out of 30 offensively. And then you have AD coming in a little bit, you know, not at. as in shape as you would like. Kyrie's hurt. So to me, I would have given him a little bit more time.

I would have given him at least to the break. That's just me. But, you know, they wanted to make change. But you could have anybody there. You could have freaking, you know, Jesus there as GM. And he can't make shots for him. Like, that's just a matter of thing. They make shots. He would. I think Jesus would be a great job.

Jesus would make the shots for it. No, no. He's going to let you figure it out yourself, brother. That is also true. Getting a gym. Would you trade Anthony Davis now and just start over build her on Cooper Flag? Oh, that's a great question. Uh, yes, 100%. I really like, obviously I like Jason Kidd as a coach. I think he's really good when a development of like those kind of tweener wing, bigger kind of guard guys. But yeah, I just think right now, this is the, the era of homegrown, right? You got your draft pick. You got your number one pick. He looks like

a great piece to start with. You have good vets. I move off of some of these guys. Keep Derek lively move off some of these older guys and start over like you look at some of the best teams in the league other than the lakers they are homegrown teams and they just add those pieces when it's time like a la houston but they got their draft pick they have the right kind of guys now it's time to to really develop that culture um in in dallas again reinvent yourself well but speaking of moving off of old guys the oldest one in the league plays or hasn't played this season for the lakers Zaslo has some opinions on LeBron. I've never heard of sciatica.

I've never heard of that, Janet. Well, you never played golf before, so I know that. Listen, every time I play golf, my back got sciatica all day long. That injury at that age with the way the Lakers are playing, how awkward is the return of LeBron James? I don't think it's going to be that awkward. I think, you know, that's the hot topic. I know we were just on road trip, and we have brought it up yesterday, and a lot of people didn't agree what what Kendrick said or what I'm saying is, I think at LeBron at this age,

basically he said, hey, LeBron needs to come in and allow Luca and AR to be the one to punch. And he fits in where he fits in. And I think when people, when he said that, I think people thought he's just going to be the guy to run to the corner. That's not worth saying. I'm saying, Luca is great at what he's doing. Austin Reeves is having a career year, right? He's progressing as you would want. LeBron has the ability to play the four position, to play the three, to play the point.

And so we're saying just fill in those gaps at a high level of where those other guys don't be complimentary to them because that's the way they've been winning so far. We're not saying anything about the playoffs, right? That's a different thing. Channing, you've played with this human being. Like, I understand he's a smart. He's as smart. And years ago, that was 10 years ago.

He is as smart as anyone who's played the game. If Carmelo's going to object to coming off the Lakers bench, LeBron's going to object to, what do you mean my usage rate is let's grow Austin Reeves? Listen, I'm telling you right now. And LeBron's my guy. He's as smart as he is. He's seeing the game.

He's seeing the pace that the Lakers are playing. He's seeing the culture that this is not LeBron's team. This is Lucas team. I don't know what's, there's nothing. He's LeBron James. Do I need to explain to this? I need to explain this to you publicly. He's LeBron James.

I understand. standing as LeBron James. And this is what I'm saying. When you have a guy like LeBron James, you could ask him and JJ, obviously they have a great relationship. They could go to film and say, okay, this is where we need you tonight. This is where we need you tonight. And he can be elite at that. But no matter how, who or that is, 41 is 41 or 40, or however old he is. To me, I'm just like he could be great at whatever position they need. They don't need him to score 25, 30 points a game. That's just a fact. That's what he's going to. If you don't want to hear that. You don't want to hear that. But it's what he's been doing for 23 years. You're asking him to be a plumber. A plumber? No. You're asking him to be the Lakers third option. Okay. So Andre Goddala was the Golden State Warriors third option. He's LeBron James. He's LeBron James. I'm saying, listen, just because you yell does not make it right. Okay. Look, LeBron can fit in anywhere to make this team even that much better. We're not saying, hey, we don't need, you know, a

2016 LeBron. We don't need 2018 LeBron. Also, it's the regular season. Now, during the playoffs, that's different. Now we may need you to go ahead and sprint, old guy. Okay, now we may need 100% of whatever you got. But during the regular season, AR

and Luca, this is their time to really develop and get better. Because if Austin Reeves does not have this confidence going into the playoffs, they don't have a chance anyways after what we saw last year. So he's made these progressions. He's learning he's playing a better style of basketball.

Luca came in his shape. They're being serious. And LeBron trusts him. If you ever watch those playoffs, he's LeBron trust AR. He obviously trusts Luca. So when he comes in there, he doesn't need to do everything. And I don't remember the last time he's had two guys, maybe I do, that he could legit trust like that with the basketball.

Right? Maybe I do. Channing, what did you make of Draymond Green questioning some players' agenda on the Warriors? and do you think he was talking about Steph? No, I don't think he's talking about Steph, man. Listen, don't bite the hand that feeds you, all right? And then I think secondly, Draymond is a no frills kind of guy.

I think when you look at the Golden State Warriors with Jimmy, they feel like they have to feel like they have a chance if they could get it together. I don't know, but I would assume the only guy that's ever been talked about that does not fit within that realm of what the Golden State Warriors do is Kamenga. I am just assuming, right?

So what he's saying is, I've told it to you in the locker room, probably, and now I'm going to say it publicly so that now there's more attention on this. They want to win. They don't care about anyone individually. They care about the Golden State Warriors winning. And if you win, everyone gets taken care of. How many more years do you think Steph has, or Jimmy, or even Draymont, and they need Kamenga to be at his best for them to win games?

And if he's not buying in, then, hey, I wouldn't personally do it. But that's Draymond. And you've got to respect it. He does not pull his punches for anybody, including his teammates. Give me the guy you played against, if there was any in your career or your path anywhere, where you felt, however it is, that Wembe must make people feel where you're a giant, you've always been a giant, and you're like, what is this? What am I supposed to do with what this is physically?

names, and everyone's going to tell you this, it's Shaq and Yao. Like, imagine me trying to stop an F-150 in a diesel truck. I was 2.30 at that time, and this dude was 300, and I was trying my hardest to stop him move anywhere. And he just literally just picked me up, like I pick up this phone and move me out the way. I couldn't imagine him in his prime. It was just like, again, he's breaking machines. He's ruining the equipment. So what does little old Channing have to do? And y'all was so big. One time he shot it, and I promised you, his elbow hit me in my nose.

And I was like, wait, what the? I'm seven foot. And you're hitting me on the way up. I was like, coach, why am I gardeners, dude? And that's why I started shooting threes. I saw Shaq and y'all. I said, nah, this ain't me. This ain't me, brother.

Kenning, you, Richard Jefferson, Kevin Love, rank them as teammates. Not as players, but as teammates. Oh, I'm the best teammate. That's by far. Richard's the last because he'd be talking a lot and then Kevin's second. But yeah, oh, yeah. Kevin got a great charcutory board, throws a great dinner. He's a great teammate.

Richard, I don't know what he brings to the table. That's a good thing to say about a friend. He puts together a great charcutory board. Artisanal honey. Oh, my goodness. This boy, he does not skimp on the artisanal board. Who puts the worst dinner together? Oh, man, that's a good question.

and probably Richard because he ducks out before the bill. That is brutal to just hit someone on the way out with that slice. Yeah, Richard's like, ah, yeah, I got to go take a call. And the next thing you know, he's like, all right, sorry, guys, I'm going to bed. I've seen it in New York of all places. Oh, yeah. He will slide out on you. What did you make of Cade Cunningham missing 31 shots the other night?

Hey, yo. Oh, my goodness. listen, I took 28 shots one time because we only had seven people playing basketball. I thought my arm was going to fall off, right? I cannot imagine, right? And I'm a shooter. So I just need to just let me shoot one a quarter, okay? I understand if you're hot, 45 shots is beyond me.

Now, congrats, they got the win. But man, you're not having me do cardio like old Tony Snell, just running up and down the corner. I mean, I'm Tony Stowe, man. Tony's on Lemon's show. This should be good. You're just, you're doing cardio. I'll be hot. But Detroit is a grimy team.

And Cade felt, I mean, they were playing the Wizards. No offense to the Wizards, but offense to the Wizards. Yeah. They're playing the Wizards. And he wanted to get that 50 ball. So, you know, you had to try to do whatever he had to do. But, you know, hey, good for him. I'm not even mad at it.

Has the 40 point game been devalued? Yes. I would say yes. I think people think it's a lot easier than what it is, but there are so many great offensive players that could do it when they get hot. It's unbelievable. The offense is so much further than the defense right now in basketball.

It's kind of wild. Has the 50-point game been devalued? No, no. Getting 50 is still kind of crazy. I just think when a guy like, you know, Austin Reeves gets 50, we're like, what? Awesome Reeves gets 50. And then you see how good he is.

You're like, oh, okay, like Austin Reeves got 50. But, hey, even my back in the day, Cory Brewer got 55 one time, so Andre Miller. That's why LeBron's taking it back. Then he's been going to that example for over a decade. He keeps going, tanning for somebody in the Cory Bore 50 point game. It was the craziest 50 ever.

He was just driving, man. Dude, I love Corey Brewers. He was a teammate, good dude. That dude, I was like, how? How? Oh, we're doing. Malachi Flynn would like a word. Oh, Willie Burton.

yeah oh boy he's lebron james he's not going to just come back and stand in a corner no i'm not saying that i'm not saying stand in a corner but i'm saying you you're telling me you can't ask austin reeves to go play a wing or go play a forward and screen and roll you can't ask him to do that you can ask lebron to do that and he could do that at an elite level and your team win this is what i'm saying channing what's up with some merch man some free wine something man let me get the quarter zip something talk text me i mean i mean I mean, listen, don't do it. Don't, you almost did it.

You almost did it. You can't do that one anymore, man. That's been retired forever. He's the founder of chosen family wines, I should say. Yeah, just text me. Just text me. I got you, I mean, I got you. I had a nickname that Channing gave me back in the day that at the time was to wear the coolest glasses.

No, it was one time. One time I'm on the road trip. I said, I'm going to put on these sunglasses. Channing was like, oh, look at a mean ditty here. And then for the rest. For the rest of time, the entire team was just like, because I wore sunglasses once on a road trip. You wore sunglasses inside.

It was a plane. It's bright inside the plane. Oh, we were laughing so hard. We were like, look at this cool guy. Get this cool guy. Dan, you know about that? Did he? Oh, wow.

You guys are hilarious. Thank you, Chan. Thank you, Chance, Chan. Thank you, guys. I appreciate you. Folks, the leaves are turning. The weather's getting a little chillier. That means the football games are more important.

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