The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Have Men Ever Watched Women's Sports?

Episode Date: June 4, 2024

Greg Cote has no idea who to root for in these NBA Finals and says his choices are an unlikeable city or an unlikeable player. The gang breaks down the Boston Celtics and Dallas Mavericks matchup, and the work Kyrie has done this year to restore his image after the damage he did to it in previous years. Stugotz takes a dive into his personal record book, which apparently was supposed to be coming in July but is now coming in November? Nobody really seems to know. Finally, we dive into the Caitlin Clark controversy after Pat McAfee and Stephen A. Smith both found themselves in trouble while talking about the WNBA. Are men capable of being normal when talking about women's sports? It appears not. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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During one of the breaks today, Greg Cody was telling me the NBA finals The NBA Podcast. During one of the breaks today, Greg Cody was telling me the NBA finals start on Thursday. It's a good matchup. It's the Celtics. It's the Mavericks. You have star power. You have Boston. You have one of those franchises

that the NBA always wants in the NBA finals but you also have an unlikable city. I think versus versus an unlikable player in kairi ervin yeah and greg was telling me he can't find a way to root for anyone i can't i mean i'm going to be interested in the series because i think it's going to be pretty even and and you know right now this iteration of the boston celtics is most known for not winning right jaylen tatum and those guys so it'll be interesting to see if they can finally win but i just don't find boston and its fans

particularly the players are are not dislike a little think but the boston fans just have that burned reputation and then on the other side you mentioned kairi irving uh... he's one of the motive it if i issue to name who are the unlikable players in the nba i think i rearving is on a lot of people's top five he would be right up there for a lot of people and i think that for me i'd just get i really try to root for somebody in a series

uh... i i just can't root for kairi has been better this year like what he's saying all the right things but you can't forget what he has said in the past i mean i i'm just saying i think he has made efforts to improve his image but you're't forget what he has said in the past. Right. I mean, right. I'm just saying, like, I think he has made efforts to improve his image, but you're right. I mean, what he did a year ago and stuff with the documentary and stuff, like, there's a lot of questionable stuff there, but I just think he's trying to fix it. Yeah, I think Kyrie Irving to me is the Aaron Rodgers of the NBA. He's just got a lot of baggage with stuff he believes in, stuff he's said that are a

little off-putting to me. But unlike Aaron he's the second best player on his team and has been lights out this season. Like that's the thing like Aaron Rodgers he comes with that baggage off an injury with a team that hopefully is set up to go far. Kyrie has been that crutch for Luca where anytime Luca needs a break he's been incredible this playoffs. Absolutely. Kyrie has stepped up and been kind of like a team leader for a lot of younger guys, right? Like he's the only guy in that locker room

that has been two and won a title where he's like, guys, I know what it takes. I've hit the big shots. I've done this at the biggest levels. Come follow me. I know what I'm doing. He is saying all the right things. Even when talking about his time in Boston,

he said, wasn't sure that was my best self. Right. Like he's kind of making amends for all the right things. Even when talking about his time in Boston, he said, wasn't sure that was my best self. Like he's kind of making amends for all the stuff, or trying to at least. It doesn't discount some of the boneheaded things he has done and said over the years, but he has been less of a distraction than he's been in years past. We gloss over the nets though.

We tend to do that with Guy Reherving. We gloss over it with KD too though. Well I don't gloss over it. I wrote a book on it. Stoogouttsbook.com. I didn't gloss over it at all. But it is one of those NBA finals where it is hard. I don't care if Boston wins and I don't care if Dallas wins. I guess I'll care when I decide who I'm going to bet on. Right? Yeah, and otherwise it's an interesting final because the Celtics haven't won since 2008

and Dallas since 2011. So, you know, it should be a good series to root for if you're just a basketball fan wanting one of these teams to win for the first time in a long time. I just think it's really about, this is Tatum versus Luca. Like, and maybe I'm disrespecting Jalen Brown, but for me, Tatum is just the face of the expectations

of this Celtics team. And Luca, consensus top five, probably best scorer in the league. I think this is like a legacy changing series for both of these guys. And I just think, and I am rooting for Luca big time because I want the Celtics and Tatum, I want this all to get louder.

Because I think if- It's because of your hatred for Boston. That's true, right, and I'm not hiding that. I'm just saying I think that the noise is gonna get really loud for Jason Tatum. Because they're kinda like, we were talking about the Panthers, they're the favorite here.

You're supposed to win this series if you're Jason Tatum, and I want that noise to get ratcheted. Yeah I would give Denver Dallas a much better chance if Luca was a hundred percent healthy. Obviously he's had that knee issue that his numbers are still good but but considerably down in the postseason compared to the regular season so I don't know how fit he's gonna be to lead that title run. Whatever happened to rooting for good games. Yeah, just rooting for a close Yeah, good games seven games. No, we want good games. We just don't care who wins. I mean, yeah No, I'm I am ready for that

Because the Bulls have never really been that good in my lifetime other than like one year when I was 16 we always talk about Luca being the best player on the planet and Parodying the NBA has been hard to come by because these super teams have just kind of won and won and won and won and now you see a team where Luca the Mavs were good not great obviously they had a great second half of the year but it feels like this is the parody of the league now transforming where they Luca is in a finals in a year that he shouldn't have made it right Oklahoma City was better Denver was better Minnesota was better. And yet they continued to win the Clippers in the

first round. Like this is that light. Like you said, Chris, legacy defining, if Luca can win this one on a bad leg with a team that's okay, with Jason kid is the coach who has never really been that old school. And like this is Luca putting everybody on their back and winning a championship to the point of parody, last year the Heat make it as an eight seed. Like are we seeing a shift? Because this has always been the most predictable

of all the sports, right? Like we know the one or two seed. LeBron's gonna be in the finals. Are gonna make it. Well you have two teams that were built the right way. They're not super teams. These guys were drafted to the, well I guess in the case of the Celtics,

poor thing is Derrick White drew Holliday. But Jalen Brown, Jason Tat, both drafted by the Celtics, they're the core of that team, and in Dallas, it's Luca. Think about Dallas getting to the finals with Luca, who's not 100%, and getting rid of Jaylen Brunson. Like that is- And Porzingis. And Porzingis.

Is the NBA more predictable now, or is it just an outlier? Like is it all the three point shooting that you can make up these big gaps and scores? I don't know. I don't know the answer to the question but it does seem the last couple years that it's less predictable. Greg when we were watching the NBA in the 80s I was to say when we were growing up, but you were you were a grown-up by that point It used to be like chalk all the time Yeah

You would never see an 8 seed like we saw last year with the heat that a five followed by a five seed making it to the NBA finals totally it was always Celtics Lakers Sixers like the good teams the top one or two seats yes the reason for that I mean the joke in the NBA used to be you give out I'll take the three best teams in the league and you can have the field you can have the other twenty so right yes because it was just so top-heavy now I think it's different but this final finals is a good contrast because Boston has been the best team all year I mean everyone was hurt. They played that what a cake They've Boston's been the best thing right for me, but they both can be true

They were the best team in the regular season and every star that they played against in the playoffs got hurt That's fair enough But there's also a metric that shows they have the most efficient offense in NBA history. Right. So they're a legit a great team and then Dallas is a little bit of an outlier coming out of nowhere beating teams that they shouldn't have beat as Tony said. So I think it's a good contrast in this finals it's just not one that I find particularly likeable. It's almost like the architecture of teams in this modern NBA has changed right where it was you need three stars It's almost like the architecture of teams in this modern NBA has changed, right? Where it was, you need three stars, right?

I feels like the Nets were trying to do it, the Suns are trying to do it. You need three guys to be, it feels now you can have one guy that really changes the tide of your team, and then another guy to supplant and help that, right? Like Luca and Kyrie, they don't need a third guy. They've got Gafford, they've got Lively,

they've got just PJ Washington, they just got guys. Two guys and a bunch of guys. All right, exactly. You need two guys. I love it. I love got Gafford. They've got Lively. They've got just PJ Washington. They've just got guys. Two guys and a bunch of guys. All right. Exactly. Two guys. You need two guys. Love it. Love breaking down the architecture. Well, that's the old school. It was Jordan and he couldn't win until he got Scottie Pippen. And then they won. Six straights. That's how we used to do it. I just want seven games. Yeah. You do? I agree.

You want, so does Boston have home court here? Yeah. So you want game seven Kyrie on the road in Boston. Wow, that'd be a lecture. Yeah, that'd be good. That'd be good. We should all be rooting for seventh game. If you could choose Jalen Brown, if you could draft right now,

and you had to do it in tandems, would you take Brown and Tatum or Luca and Kyrie? That's tough. Wow. Luca and Kyrie. Luca's so good. I take Luca and Kyrie. Just for the heaviness of the Luca side, no pun intended. Kyrie's the oldest of the group, right?

He's 32. Based off age, I might go, I don't know. He's still in his bag. Kyrie is incredible with the ball in his hands. He can do anything. He can make any shot. He can do anything. So for me, when I look at the secondary, Jalen Brown

versus Kyrie, I still kind of give the edge to Kyrie because Jalen Brown can disappear in games the same way Tatum can disappear in games. The Bulls did not win six straight titles. Well they won six in eight years. MJ won six straight titles. Well the Rockets won two because MJ retired for two years. No I know. And those don't count in my personal record books, StugotsBook.com.

Elijah won never won a title because if Jordan Let me just get this out Billy if Jordan doesn't step away from the game Don't give away all the goods from your book why are people gonna buy it if you just say it all right now It's a good point, but they win eight straight. Okay, and Elijah one never wins a title and so that's all I'm saying I don't care what the record book says my record book says that the Bulls won eight consecutive titles. I think Just off age you got to go with the Celtics guys. They're Browns the oldest he's 27 They Billy was gonna why no, it's fine. Okay Your book was supposed to come out in July when people pre-ordered it the first time. Yeah now it says November 20 something

Yeah, you know holidays. I six month delay? 29.99. No delay, I mean, the book is written. We're just waiting on Dan. I mean, that's it. A little forward, yeah. I asked Dan to write the forward and I spelt it F-O-R-W-A-R-D. Oh no.

Like a power forward. Sorry. You should write that, Stu. The power forward and then it's Dan writing the forward of your book and you call it the power forward. I hope Dan took advantage of me sending that, Stu. The power forward. And then it's Dan writing the forward of your book. You can call it the power forward. I think Dan took advantage of me sending that via text. I definitely know the difference in the two words,

for sure you do. Yeah. Billy, why are you so concerned about the release date of my book? What's going on there? No, because you keep telling people to go to StuGutsBook.com, so I went there and I noticed. Oh, you got one, thank you.

No, no, I went to the website and now I notice it says it's available at the end of November. And I was like, I remember it being much earlier. Right in time for the holidays. Well then there was a whole situation where I guess you were returning books to people at some point. I am telling you, anyone who thinks they're returning a book, they're not, okay? I don't care.

Like, bring it up, you know, talk to Random House. I didn't do anything wrong, okay? We did a release, a lot of people bought the book, and then we did a separate release, and that came with an insert and an autograph copy, and now people are canceling their original release because they want the second release. Nothing I can do about it. You're stuck with the book.

Greg, how many times, that's not how I just saw your book. Bring it to the studio, I'll sign it for you, I'll give you an insert. I don't wanna hear about it anymore. Bring it to the studio. I mean, I'm busy writing a book, I can't control everything, what do you want me to do? Greg, how many times has your book release pushed back?

I think it was pushed back a few months, actually. Duh. Yeah. I think I might have been the guy who had the brainstorm to wait a little bit and make it more of a Christmas season. That was your idea. The publishing company didn't come up with it.

I'm going to take credit for it. I think it was originally supposed to come out in like August or something. You pushed it back. Yeah. Right. Anticipation grows. I think they piggybacked on my idea. Yeah, exactly.

I mean, the anticipation for this personal record book of Sugatsa's is so great and building because of this very thing we're talking about. Can I ask you a question, Sugatsa? And it's probably a private conversation, but I'll ask you publicly great It doesn't revolve you. I'm just what it does right no Has nothing to do with you has nothing to do with you. I just need your advice on something I feel like I hurt someone earlier Unintentionally, and I'm wondering if I should give that person an apology even though I don't mean it.

I'll give you the scenario. How important is this person? To my life? Yes. Not very. Okay. So I was in the kitchen over there, the eating area, the commissary.

Poor Taylor. And Taylor and Tony were standing next to each other. Oh boy. And Tony got very offended because I said that Taylor is in better shape than Tony is. I did Tony got very offended because I said that Taylor is in better shape than Tony is. I did not get very offended. He was quite bothered by the fact I said. You don't have any metrics for anything you're just talking shit. Did you say anything Tony? Did you make a face? Stuff like this just like very defensive responses when I was like

Taylor's in better shape. You don't have metrics. This is what happened. Here's what happened. What metrics? Is Taylor was eating a donut. Right. And Tony was trying to shame him for eating a donut. And I said, respectfully, he's in better shape than you are. Like, leave him alone. Let's see those abs. Stop picking on him.

Stand up. Because that's what was going on. He was trying to bully Taylor for eating a donut, and Taylor is in better shape than Tony. You're saying Taylor can afford to eat a donut. I'm saying, if I were to take dietary advice from Taylor or Tony, I would listen to Taylor's advice on what I should be eating and not Tony. You're saying Taylor could afford to eat a donut. I'm saying, if I were to take dietary advice from Taylor or Tony, I would listen to Taylor's advice on what I should be eating.

You don't listen to advice from anybody. It's an ab off. But if I were, I would listen to Taylor. Taylor's in better shape. That's all I said, and he just got very mad at me. So I wonder, should I apologize for saying that Taylor's in better shape than him? Don't apologize.

He's already given the preface of you don't care. You don't have metrics. You don't know what you're talking about. Are you mad, Tony? No, I don't care. I don't care. don't have metrics. You don't know what you're talking about. Are you mad, Tony? No, I don't care. I don't care. I don't know. You don't know what we're working out.

Well, saying you don't have metrics would seem to stand the reason that you care. I mean, it's something you say when you care. I don't care. And I was just trying to look out for Taylor. You're saying prove it. I was trying to look out for Taylor. Right.

Right. In body shaming Taylor, you then had to turn to body shame Tony to give him a taste of his own medicine. I didn't body shame Tony. in body shaming Taylor you then had to turn to body shame Tony to give him a taste of his own medicine I didn't body she's trying to I didn't body Taylor guys we have lunch at a specific time Taylor is having a donut before lunch is gonna ruin his lunch trying to help the guy out that's very nice by the way when this came in and said you know in all in all fairness you don't know if Taylor has clogged arteries, which had nothing to do with anything.

Which is true, classic point. Classic 40-year-old guy. Like his cholesterol could be through the roof. That's what he said, yeah, he mentioned his cholesterol. So you were looking out for Taylor. I was trying to protect Taylor. You didn't want him to spoil his lunch by eating a doughnut.

We're on the same side here, me and Billy are on the same side, arguing the same side of the coin. We're trying to look out for Taylor. So why'd you get so mad? Tony, did you attack me for trying to defend him? Who's in better shape, you or Taylor? I don't care.

Okay. It's not the answer to this question. You just care about his lunch. I just care about, hey, the guy's trying to get somewhere, okay, physically. He's gotta take care of himself. But I think he's there. I think he's closer to his destination.

Okay. Does Taylor feel like he's in better shape than Tony? Good question. Taylor, thumbs up or thumbs down? You're in better shape? Yeah, okay. Oh, wow. Tony's landing on him.

That's a thumbs up from Taylor. That's a thumbs up from Taylor. Who's in the best shape here? I do see Taylor, like, he goes to the gym, he's got like a, he does like trainer stuff, like, I don't know, I'm not saying you don't, I'm just saying I've seen- You mean he does trainer stuff. What does that stuff. What is very confusing? He does. He's not just going to the gym I've seen him doing workouts with like a group and a trainer like he's not hope good

Good t-shot good t-shot. Yeah, okay Is he in the gym with me and Frankie lifting weights up here? No, but he does like he's in the best shape of anyone making sure Taylor does core work Taylor's worried about like everything You're just trying to get on the popcorn muscles, you know what I mean? To look big for bikini season, so you look like a fuerte. And Taylor's worried about his health.

He's eating a donut! He's not worried about his health! Yeah! Nothing wrong with eating a donut. If you're hungry, eat what you want. Yeah. Health food. Yep.

Remember those days, Greg, where you could eat a donut before lunch and had no impact on your physical. You kidding me? Those days were yesterday with me. You kidding me? Yeah, but now it impacts you physically. Yeah, well. When you're Taylor's age, you can do whatever

the hell you want. I do find donuts to be very filling. You know, I can eat three and then that's it for me. Three? Three? Yeah, that's crazy. Three? Three seems like the magic number.

Yeah. Thank you. Three donuts? Well, it. Three? Three seems like the magic number. Yeah, thank you. Three donuts? Well, it depends how thick they are and it depends also how fluffy they are. Can you eat three Krispy Kremes? Oh, I could eat 14 Krispy Kremes. Oh yeah, absolutely. Those things are crack.

I'm not going to. You're the Coke, right? Healthy guy. What? Coke? Cola. Now he's saying he's in better shape than me. Okay, Tony, you're the healthiest person alive.

Tony, do you feel like you're in the best shape of anyone here? Just be honest. No. No. Did that nuke everybody's argument just now? Well, because you're lying. No one believes you.

Everyone knows you're lying. I know what I know, and that's it. You guys aren't with me in the gym. That's cool. And you know it. And you know it. That kind of thing. Howdy, sports fans. I assume you're sports. And you know it. That kind of thing. Howdy sports fans.

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Yeah, I do yeah one of the great characters in the history of television in my humble opinion and and to my credit My personality in my humble opinion followed by to my credit to my credit, my personality... In my humble opinion, followed by to my credit. To my credit, my personality does predate Curb Your Enthusiasm. Stugats! Oh wow. I'm not going to say Larry David patterned himself after me. All right, put it on the poll please, Jude. You did Greg Cody copyright being an asshole long before Larry David.

This is the Don LeBattar Show with the StuGards. We're going to discuss Caitlin Clark today. Yes, let's laugh at it. Is it the most? Not a Caitlin Clark, the coverage, the coverage and how outraged everyone is getting about how we're covering women's sports. I was going to say, is it the most covered foul in the history of all basketball? Oh, I don't know. I mean, Greg Cody was doing the thing of like, oh, it's one of the worst

fouls I've ever seen. I thought it was just the like, it was a hard foul. It should have been a flagrant. Is there a shiver in there? Yeah, it was a dirty play. It was a dirty play. Right. You know, it wasn't, it was more than a hard foul. It was an unsportsmanlike display, I thought. I think if she doesn't fall, then it's different. I just think they missed a call. And I think we've, I was at Monte's yesterday. Great spot.

Love Monte's. It is a great spot. Everyone in South Florida knows. You got the brick of curly fries or no? No. They send out a brick. I got yuca fries. Like a brick of curly fries or no? No, I didn't get that. They send out a brick. I got yucca fries. Like a brick of curly fries, they just take it

and they put it in the fryer and take it out to you and it's in a huge brick. Sounds healthy. Damn, that sounds great. I've seen Billy get it twice. They were still talking about it on Sports Center yesterday at like five o'clock. Granted, there's been another fever game

since this game happened. It's unbelievable. And they're still talking about just this foul getting upgraded to a flagrant one. And the only reason I wanted to bring it up is because yesterday Pat McAfee called Caitlin Clark a white bitch on ESPN and then had to apologize for it and Stephen A Smith also embarrassed himself on that was taking arguing with Monica McNutt so like two of ESPN's top talent just completely embarrassed themselves talking about women's sports,

a league that they're partnered with at ESPN, and nothing's gonna happen. Like they're both just gonna like, it's fine, gonna get away with it and nothing really matters and I find that like mind boggling. Wasn't Stephen A. Smith kinda doing like stats, like we talk more about the WNBA than every other show. Like who cares, but you're not talking about it well. Well Stephen Stephen A also then doubled down on his podcast

which he basically said you only know who Monica McNutt is because of me because I put her on first take. I handpicked the roster and you wow. He made it a lot worse. McAfee tried to argue that he said it complimentary in a strange defense for himself. He tried to say, well, I meant it as a compliment, and then issued an apology, and then later on, WWE Raw called the wrestler a white bitch. Son of a bitch. Son of a bitch, yeah, sorry.

Jess, it's funny because we've been discussing men's sports for 50 years now on the radio. 50 years, 40, 50 years, and we're still terrible at it. And so now we're discussing men's sports for 50 years now on the radio. 50 years, 40, 50 years. And we're still terrible at it. And so now we're discussing women's sports. And you expect, I'm not making excuses. I'm just saying it's going to take a minute. We're not doing it well. And I'm confused. Have men never watched women's sports before? Because Caitlin Clark came in with all this fanfare, deserved by the way, but LeBron went through this, Michael Jordan went through it,

Kayla Williams is about to go through it. People are gonna take their shots. They're gonna say, hey, we're pretty good over here as well. It's not just about Caitlin Clark, and she's going through some of those rookie lumps that all the great players go through. Women are competitive.

Is that surprising to men? I guess so. I mean, I'm with you, Stegoss. Like, I played sports growing up, and it was super physical. There would be fights sometimes. There would be, like, really intense competition, and that's part of any sport, and not just the WNBA.

Any sport. I'm sure when you coached your daughter's lacrosse team and are watching her play at Northwestern, it's super, lacrosse is one of the most physical sports there is. There's hard fouls all the time. It's just like very weird how this has become a conversation about like having to protect Kaitlyn Clark who also dishes it out too. That's part of her game. That's a reason why people like her is because she's so tough. She's been, she's a tough player in college and she'd dish it out.

And I'm not saying that Kennedy Carter should have done this, obviously. I said yesterday, he should have been called a flagrant on the spot and I don't think this entire backlash happens if the refs just don't miss that call. But it's so weird how mainstream sports has been covering this for three days. And also when it goes to Stephen A. Smith,

all he had to do was say like, you're right, like we'll do better. And I think that whole conversation like doesn't happen. Like it doesn't require a lot for men who have been covering sports for a long time that are now catching up to the popularity of women's sports just to say like, you're right, like we're, you know, we're learning too.

Like we'll figure it out. I feel like it's like our show, Throwing Stones, like we've been showing our ass on this stuff as much as anyone. So I... We're talking about it. We're not talking about it well. That's essentially what's going on.

And some people will say, well, at least they're talking about it. No, talk about it well. Do a better job. Talk about it in a way that kind of makes sense. And for people to not know, first off, I guarantee you, Caitlin Clark, Greg, I guarantee you, she wants the bumpy road. She wants people to come after her. She's a competitor.

It's a sign of respect that so many people are going after her in the WNBA. That's what she wants, that's what she expects. She did say over the weekend, I feel like I'm getting hammered. Okay, but still she's a competitor and she knew she was gonna go through some of this and I'm certain she wanted to be done. Right. I'm certain she wants it to be done within the confines of the rules of the sport

but she doesn't want it to be easy. I think it's great for the league for the sport that she isn't finding it easy. I think it's great that this this that she isn't finding it easy. I think it's great that this this Wunderkin from college can't just waltz into the WNBA and pick up right where she left off at Iowa because it speaks to the level of the NBA, the quality level. But I think everybody right now, the media and other women in the WNBA are coming to grips with what nobody wants to admit, which is that Caitlin Clark, her alone, is a huge reason why a lot of people, including me, quite frankly, are paying more attention to the WNBA now than ever before. I don't think that's a bad thing, but it's making a lot of other players jealous and they

should be jealous. That's where I'll stop you. I think a lot of other players jealous and they should be jealous. That's that's where I'll stop you I think a lot of WNBA players have said that exact thing that she's bringing more eyeballs and that they're happy that they're finally getting coverage Where I'd stop is that they're all jealous of her not that it's wrong to be jealous of someone who is making a ton of money I don't think it's jealousy. It's like hey look over here. We're pretty good, too, and laid down the foundation for that. I agree. I think it's more so there's probably some jealousy mixed into it I'm not gonna claim that I know what everyone is thinking obviously But I think it's it's jealousy as well as competition and wanting to prove like hey, we're here, too We also deserve the amount of coverage that you've been getting in college And I think like it's impossible to even have this conversation comparing the players that have set the foundation of the WNBA without acknowledging the fact that those players

played in the NCAA tournament without their games being televised. Those players went to college without being able to make NIL deals. Those players have been in a league where ESPN hasn't televised a lot of their games even though they've been partners and they haven't talked about it on first take. And that was, I think Monica McNutt's point, is that this is all happening and it's a great thing. So offended, Stephen A. Yeah, right, like.

We've been talking. Well, he found her, I mean, he found her. Can't you just say, okay, we're new to this, too? He had to get all defensive about it. Just like, all right, yeah, you're right. Stephen A, do me a favor. I'm healthy. Where are the metrics?

Do me a favor, don't talk about women's sports when it's convenient. Talk about women's sports because you wanna talk about women's sports. Because it's. Talk about women's sports because you want to talk about women's sports. Because it's a good product. There's going to be more Sky Liberty tonight. It's going to be a great game. Northwestern was just going for back to back NCAA lacrosse championships and Izzy Skean has had every bit of the career as Caitlin Clark had at basketball.

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This isn't the first time that Pat McAfee's gotten in some trouble, we should say. It's also not the first time he's mocked the trouble on WWE Raw later that night. Do we think the call came that someone ordered the code red, like, hey, you have to apologize on Twitter? How do we think this went down? I mean, he was the number one thing trending. So I imagine in his mind, maybe he was just like, I got to say something, but I would not be surprised if someone was like, yo, because that didn't seem very sincere.

So it almost felt like a forced. It seems like you're apologizing because you have to apologize. So I would think that someone, somebody there got in his ear. That's I would have a hard time believing that Pat McAfee said to himself, you know what, that was wrong, I need to apologize. The most important thing I think about all of this, like we just did 10 minutes on the WNBA and Stephen A,

a couple minutes on McAfee. Fine. Dan's in LA right now, and he's not talking about any of this. Must be killing him. How much is this eating away at him? Did he text you, like, please, let me come on and talk about it?

He did not. No, you have him texting me when he's away in California. He doesn't text me when he's here. Oh, this story was made for me. You don't get the 4AM texts? No, no, I used to get them all the time. I don't get them anymore. I'm thankful.

You're still getting them? You're getting them now? Honestly, it has been a few months. I don't think I've got, Billy gets them all the time. The thing about his apology that came out, forced or not, I mean, it seems as though someone would have said something, right? Because even in the apology, when you see it,

he says, I meant it as complimentary, which seems- How? Well, no, if you listen to what he was saying, because he was saying, she's the one drawing all the attention. I'm not defending him, but I'm saying, he was trying to speak positively of her, but he just said it in a terrible way.

It just seems to be kind of like- By calling her a bitch. No, I mean, cuz he was saying she's the one drawing all the attention, not- I listened to the whole clip and he had a screen of other white WNBA players on screen and was saying, see, look at all of these other white women that have been in the WNBA that are stars that we've ignored. We don't just like Caitlin because she's white. That was the whole crux of his argument,

which isn't like, that on its own is worth debating, I think. It's crazy. But in doing that, then he went and said, yeah, this goes one white bitch. That's just how he talks. And he thought that it was normal to say it on air, and then obviously it's not.

He thought that was a compliment is what you're saying. Yeah, he said it. In his world, he thought that it was normal to say it on air and then obviously it's not. He thought that was a compliment is what you're saying. Yeah, he said it. In his world, he thought he was complimenting Caitlin Clark and then he apologized. That's what the apology said. What a crazy world he lives in where he thinks that's a compliment. That's a weird world.

He almost said it in the context of like, she's a badass. In his way of saying badass is- No, I understand it, I get it, yes. No, no, it's just, that's just- That's not the way to say it. That's the way he says it in this. Yes, he says it's 100% on me. Well, no, it's just it that's not the way that's the way he says it. Yes He says it's 100% on me. Well, who else would it be on?

Like I hate that in a pot. Hey, that's on me. No shit Sherlock. I Have never loved you bad NFL mini camp coverage more. I'm not gonna lie Mandatory mini camp. Oh even better. They gotta be there. Can I ask you a serious question? Sure. As someone who is a- Yes, I'm healthy, that's it. As someone who's a fan of the WNBA, do you wish that the new fans would just go away?

No, honestly I don't. And I don't even, I don't mind that anyone that hasn't watched it- It just seems like an exhausting experience at this point. Well, I think that there's new fans that genuinely want to engage in watch the games and talk about it and stuff. I don't even think that Pat McAfee and Stephen A

don't fit into that category. I do think people do want to talk about it more and watch the games and just be fans. But there are a lot of disingenuous arguments being made that come from a place of not knowing the history, not knowing the context. And I'll admit, I don't know the entire history of the WNBA. I've been a fan for like, you know, most of my adult life, but I didn't grow up watching it. The games were on TV very much when I was young. I went to games when they then the sky played in Rosemont. But like,

I think that's okay. Like you don't have to know everything about it. But then at least like come from that place of like, I want to learn more. I want to listen. I listened to the experts. The other thing that blows my mind is like, I hosted a show with Kate for like three years where we talked about women's sports and like, we started. Yeah. When we started doing that show, like the amount of imposter syndrome I felt, like I have a, I would say like a pretty good base knowledge of like all general women's sports,

like soccer, basketball, everything, college basketball especially, cause that's what I did a lot in college with. But like Kate's an expert, like she's a bestselling author, she played college basketball, she's super smart, she's a super accomplished journalist. Like, talking with her about it, I'd be like, oh my god, I really gotta know my shit. Like, I gotta learn.

But there's people that just like go to work and they're like, I don't need to do any of that. I'm just gonna come to my job and act like I know everything and like that, to me, like, I can't imagine. But Jess, what I'm saying is, we're still doing that with men's sports. Yeah, I agree. this character was built on that Championship that's this bread and butter

Tournament like I think that that's fine like I think go talk or championship rings put your rings in a box But that's all fine. But I when you're yesterday I'm scrolling Twitter and I see the Chicago Tribune editorial board put out an article with no byline saying that Kennedy Carter's foul on Caitlin Clark could be considered assault. That's a great thing. That is where I'm like, whoa.

With just arresting black women on it. Exactly, Roy, like there's a racial undertone that I think needs to be acknowledged. And also the obvious gender bias that comes into play when we're covering female female athletes and women has been so obvious when we're talking about especially this foul which is a hip check on a player a popular player it's been done before it happened to Angel Reese in a game last week or one against John Cole Jones in hindsight Angel Reese got well that was just I'm telling you that was Alyssa Thompson

Jess I'm telling you men thought that women handle sports differently They're assassins. They want to win. They're competitive Like what did men think? Like I'm glad that we're finally here and we're discussing women's sports, but what we're discussing is ludicrous We're not discussing women's sports. We're discussing how to discuss women's sports That's absurd. It is. Go watch women's sports, not just Caitlin Clark.

If you want to watch it and see how women treat sports, hey, I got news for you. They treat it just like the men do. They care. They want to win. They get a bit jealous when someone's getting all the hype. Someone has all the camera time. So, what do they

do? Hard foul. You've never seen that before? You have. You've been watching it your entire life. This is no different. Let's just call a spade a spade what it is. This is a perfect opportunity for the weaponized type of people to get weaponized and get behind something of this racial magnitude because like you just said Angel Reese just suffered the same thing. John Cuell Jones pushed her and then she pushed her again harder but she got out of the game like oh thank you excuse me pardon me. AT did the same thing with her. The the victim angle that Kaitlin took weaponized everybody. Ah, that wasn't a basketball play.

And that's the part where the same bots that activate after Trump, they activate on these type of things and that's what's happened. Everybody, like Chris said, bro, Steve Van Ness of the world, just say you ain't been doing a good enough job. Don't nobody care, but be real.

That's what we want. He's keeping stats. No, he's talked about it more than anyone. Right, we just want it real. Yeah, I agree. I feel like it's just like, yeah, you're right. You're right, I'll do better. And everyone's like, yes, he just said he'll do better.

Like, that's so brave. She wasn't even criticizing Stephen A. She was giving him his flower. Like, yes, you've had us here, but you could have been doing it three years ago. And he's just like, I'm gonna go film a whole podcast about this. Right, that's where you can say the quote unquote

men of the world. That's embarrassing for us. Like when you say, we don't wanna say it, we don't know the way, if you ask us directions, that stereotype, same situation, Steven A bro, you could have been doing this last year, bro. I ain't hear you say nothing about Ryan Howard. I ain't hear you say nothing about these ladies,

Nelson and the Doddler from the Connecticut. But you don't even know these folks for real. So at least keep it real, like, oh, that's my fault. Don't double down and get on your podcast later on and say, do you know Monica Minut? It's because of me. Andrea Carter, have you heard of her? That's wild, man.

It's a big cream. Men, that is a thing. It's perfectly Steven A, but you just can't do this. No, but that is a thing that women hear and acknowledge and take note of because I hear men say that all the time. Like, oh, well I hired this person, I invented them, I created them, like taking credit for a person's success. Every woman has heard a man in their career

say that at some point and they take note of that. That is, he's not the first person to do that. That is a terrible look. Barkley saying stuff like, they should make it easy on her and kiss her hand because she's brought all this exposure and they have charter flights because of her. No, what the other women are saying is, no, we laid the foundation.

We're pretty good too. We're the reason she has this platform to do what it is that she's doing that's all they're objecting to it's absurd and she talks she's talking big crowd she out there she doing the same thing so shoot do you folk want to see you back it up because I'm a Brit wild sis huh yeah backstreet's back all right since the dawn of mankind we've cooked our food over an open flame and debated the best way to grill. One thing not up for debate, grilling and beer always go together.

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