The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Horrifying Climate Stat of the Day

Episode Date: October 19, 2023

Adam McKay joins Dan out in Hollywood to share his Horrifying Climate Stat of the Day and to steamroll Dan at every turn. Then, Dan, Amin, Charlotte, and Brad Williams try to remember a time before sponsored content on social media and whether or not people understand Twitter is not real life. Plus, Mike sits back down with the group to share his desire to laugh at Deion Sanders. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. This is the Dunlabel Tarshall with his two-guts podcast. I've been having a little trouble with this horrifying climate stat of the day segment because Adam McKay is a historically funny person, but this subject matter is a little bit difficult to make light. So I have come out here to Hollywood as part of our deal with his company, HyperObject, and even though he's still just an intern at our company. He is trying very hard to make this segment into something that is both informative and light.

But when I get here today, and the first thing he says to me by way of hello is, hey, did you hear all the coral reef in Miami is now dead? It's not exactly something that is buoyant and effervescent and like opening a champagne bottle, but we will continue. I have flown out here to see if in collaborating with him, we can make this segment any better. Adam, are you there? Are you ready to try and make this segment into something that lifts your career here at Metal Lark? Yes, Dan. And I think the way you told that story about the coral reef

is kind of deceiving because you didn't describe the big high five I was giving you and the giant smile on my face and the coach prime t-shirt that I had on. So in you telling the story, it's more negative than it actually was. And that kind of relates to what we're trying to do here, which is we're working with McKinsey, mostly the consulting firm.

And we've seen that the data, the focus groups on this segment are way low on it. So we're trying to bring a more positive up vibe to this. So you telling that story about the coral reef does not help, like tell the whole story. First off, I've been working out so I look jacked. Second off, I had a coach prime shirt on. Third off, big open tooth, pearly white smile. Fourth off, little 90 pound cheerleader at my right side. no relationship. I'm married, but it still feels good. So we

have to really work on this to make this segment, you know, turn into hockey sticks, which is what this is all about. We continue to try. I don't believe you've ever had such difficulty making anything into funny subject matter. You were a head rider at Saturday Night Live in your early 20s. You invented funny or die. And here we are still trying to get this off the ground, but I do feel like the parachute in the parasail

has caught a bunch of water here and we're in danger of drowning a little bit. Do you have any other business suggestions here for what we should be doing with hyper object? So give this some strength to give this a little more lightness and buoyancy so that we can have whatever you're calling hockey sticks? Not whatever I'm calling hockey sticks. Hockey sticks are what pay your bills, what pay your bills, Mike's bills. I mean, don't be kind of dismissive and roll your eyes. So the big thing we did with the McKinsey guys,

which by the way, they are dying to have dinner with you. I mean, a chat, a crispin, a valya, they are really, they would love to go out to dinner with you and the McKinsey group are fantastic. Mike's been hanging out with them a lot and they've really hit it off. I'm uncomfortable with what you've done to Mike. He's gone full Hollywood and you've got him with these agents and monsters and I don't know whether I'm ever going to get him back. He is fully bought in on all your Hollywood bullshit. Can I just say this and I mean this with all due respect?

Shush. Mike is doing great. Metal arc is doing great. So the big thing this group of brilliant talented McKinsey people told me is that even my image when I pop up feels flimsy. So we worked with and we spent a lot of money on this and this you know, skippers a little pissed because it comes out of metal arc. So we worked with some of the greatest Disney animators in history and focus groups and polling numbers and we came up with the happiest image

we can come up with for Adam McKay talking about climate. So I don't know if you're showing that image now, but that image, and I'll, you know, show our work a little bit here, cause $6.3 million, the image you're seeing. And Dan, quit being cynical. It doesn't seem like a good spending of time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, human being, let your body answer, do you feel better seeing that image? I mean, yes, but not when you tell me

what the price tank of the image is, like yes, the image is, the image is better than not having the image, but that seems like it's way too expensive. Why are you steamrolling us in every business adventure we make with you? I mean, the bottom line is, Dan, like yes, we're confronting a climate emergency, like the climate is hotter than it's been

in 300,000, 700,000 a million years, but we have a wonderful free market economy that is operating in the United States and worldwide. And if we don't acknowledge that, we're going to just be running in place. So I'm trying to be a grown-up. I'm trying to talk about net zero, carbon capture, all the things that Chevron, Exxon, Shell are talking about. So we can do this in a grown-up way. So as part of that, I worked with the McKinsey group, which by the way, I mean, we, Mike and I hit the raw bar with them last night. They are a blast. Um, and so this feels wrong. This really does feel wrong. This, this is not going the way that I thought it was going to go. I don't mean

the segment. I mean, the relationship. I mean, we're friends outside this, right? Yes. So can I be honest? I hope so. You sound like a 12-year-old. Like you sound so naive right now. Like, oh, it's wrong. I can't go in the tree forward because I don't, you don't I mean? Like greed is not maturity. At a great capitalism is not

uh... being my most maximum mature adult look if you want to go hold the radio up outside the cio of golden sacks like john q's ack and say anything like to do it but meanwhile my can i are in the grown up world. We're trying

to get things done. I spoke with our great McKinsey team that's now working with Metal Arc. And we went through the idea of what should the climate stat of the day be. And so there's a new climate stat that will inform people, but not bum people out or make them feel powerless. So hold on, hold on. I've got to play the imaging for this. If you're going straight into the stat, the horrifying climate stat of the day, are you doing that? Are you going to cue me? Because I had to travel with all of our equipment here. And I've got a button. I've got got a press if we're going to get the music right. Well, I think what we set up is not what we're doing because I was just with a a Gralia and Travis outside the office talking about this climate stat.

So we've kind of switched it up and the cool thing about this climate stat. So we've kind of switched it up. And the cool thing about this climate stat is that we're getting some sort of sponsorship money out of it, that it's actually going to make metal arc and hyper object some money. But still we kind of feel like, yeah, we're taking money, but it's gonna actually help people understand what's going on. So with that in mind, I'd like to give it to you. Okay, but I'm gonna play my music here, and does the money we're getting in sponsorship offset

the amount of money you spent on this ridiculous AI figure that you have on the screen? No. Okay, excellent. Hold on a second. Die. We're all gonna die. We're all gonna die. We're all gonna die. The oceans are all burning and you're all wondering why

we're all gonna let's turn on the news and find out that're going to die. You're good. When it comes to customer service and quality energy options, where does Exxon rank from a, you know, from one to 10? What do you mean where they rank? you know, from one to 10. What do you mean where do they rank? The last number one. No, number one.

So that's the climate set of the day. What do you mean X on ranks number one in terms of energy conservation? What are you talking about? I mean, Dan, if you hear the real climate start of the day, your listeners, everyone's going to be bummed out. It's going to hurt metal arc. Right now I'm looking through our studio window. The McKinsey crowd is going to be like neutral face. They never get that happy or sad, but they'll get super neutral faced. Do you really want the stat of the...

I want a climate stat of the day. Real quick. We're at 1.75 degrees Celsius warming above pre-industrial numbers. Right now, once we hit two degrees Celsius, if that maintains a billion people will die, which is something like eight times the amount of people that died during World War II, I just got a thumbs down from the McKinsey crowd. I don't think that people understand when you go on these degrees and Celsius and these

decimal points. Now, everyone understands a billion people dying, but I don't think people necessarily understand how we are in a place that there is no turning back from. That once we get to 2.0, there's no fixing anything. Yeah. I mean, that's word for word. What the McKinsey crowd was telling, Mike and I last night at the raw bar, by the way chilled crab claws, oysters. I mean, like it was a four tiered seafood tower, flavored martinis, apple flavored martinis,

great, great night, but they said that too. Like America doesn't use Celsius, like who cares? How are we doing this? And I told them I was like, look, it's really simple. You know, oil, gas and coal. We burn it. It goes into the atmosphere and it traps heat and it cooks the planet. And then all of them gave that aggressive, neutral face. So we had a choice, Mike and I.

Like, do we ignore that? Or do we look at professionals who kind of get the big picture and granted, Mike and I had had a couple of Apple Teenies at that point, but we both decided, let's go with the Exxon staff, which by the way, number one, for customer satisfaction, delivery of energy, Darren Woods, the CEO, great, great job. They bought you with oysters? Exxon bought you with oysters? No. No.

Stop it. And you sound like a child. I'm very disappointed with how it is that this is all going. All of it. I'm talking about all of it. Look at the image of me. It doesn't make me feel any better. Really? The 6.3 million million too much. I'm going to give you that. Like Sk like skipper was like why it's not a good use of our money At what are you doing? It's not so I think we have to be honest with each other I screwed up on any image that was too much money You screwed up talking about the climate like it's a bummer about the climate, like it's a bummer emergency. Your status made up, Exxon is not the number one energy conservationist in the world.

What kind of status that? Conservationist, customer satisfaction and delivery of fossil fuel energy. And the other stat about how we're at 1.7 degrees Celsius warming today. And once we cross two degrees Celsius, a billion people will die. By the way, that's a conservative estimate. All right, I just got a big thumbs down from the McKinsey team. So I'm going to stop. Yes, let's stop.

And I'm going to say, exon. Yes, let's just play the happy music. Yeah. All right, we're working on it. We're working on it. We're all gonna die. We're all gonna die. We're all gonna die.

That's exactly how he is laughing when he told me the total refanity and where it was wearing his prime shirt. Gabby here is a meditation instructor who just created her business website. Just need to choose a domain. MeditativeMines.ca or dot com. That Canada goose looks grumpy. Also, why is he here? Well Gabby, he's here to tell you that 85% of Canadians prefer supporting local business

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Dal lebatard. Mino Hasson. Stugats. Mino Hasson. This is the Dal le Amino Hasson. Stougats. Amino Hasson. This is the Don Lebatard show with the Stougats. There are a lot of things daily that remind me of my age. A lot of people in the audience and around the show have been making fun of me because I cannot keep up anymore with social media. I am the target victim

of butt crack and ball sack sports and I was like, where are we going with that? Yeah, but I can't, I thank you, Brad. Brad Williams, a mean and Charlotte in here with us in Hollywood. I can't keep up anymore. I mean, and I know you're having some trouble with it too, but I'm alarmed when Charlotte says she is now woefully falling behind. She is being left behind by social media simply cannot keep up. I feel it happening.

Like, I feel I tried for a little while to make TikToks and I was like, no one's watching these. They're, if I think they're funny, nobody else thinks they're funny. I'm wasting time making something, so I stopped. Then Twitter is just ex, is just like an absolute wasteland. So I'm like, I can't look at this.

I can't understand my mentions anymore. And then Instagram, I like some of the like basic memes on Instagram, but, and I like watching TikTok, but I feel like I'm just giving up, I feel like I'm watching the car drive off without me. And I'm like, you know what? We had a good ride. Godspeed.

I can do it. No, it's funny because for me, I wonder whether is Twitter slash X way Sam, because I remember I used to be on top of like the things that people talk about. And now I feel like either the things that people are talking about just don't make sense to me. Like for instance, the 48 oyster date,

I don't know if you guys have seen it. Yeah, he knows, right? Like, I would be, I would know what that is in previous years. Right, either, either it's that, well, it's this woman that went out on a date and she ordered four dozen oysters apparently, and then they got up and basically said,

I'm going to the bathroom and then just left, right? But that's not, I don't think that's typically not something that I would have cared about or care about now. Or is it that it is something I used to care about and now I just don't care anymore. So that'll happen a lot of times then I'll be watching a game. I'll watch the whole game and I'll rewatch parts of it

and I'll talk about it with my friends and stuff and then someone will say, did you see the whole controversy? I'm like, what? Everyone on Twitter was talking about it like, what? Well, it's something in the third quarter, and I'm like, and I'm like, no, and this is the kind of stuff

that people on Twitter like to argue about. I'm like, I'm not interested in that anymore. I just don't care, but there is a feeling of disconnection you feel after that. Absolutely. And every time I think I'm gonna quit Twitter, then the Kevin James meme happens. And I'm like, all right, I'm back in.

See, I saw that on Instagram. Okay. I saw it on Instagram has become where I see things. And a lot of times there's screenshots of things from Twitter, but I don't see it on Twitter. I also do think though, the internet is just like, it's a corporate sinkhole now. It used to be that you could just stumble along

and find some weird, like I have all these sense memories and like sort of flashes of images from like weird games I would play or like some weird sight someone made where like, you know, a ghost pops up for a second and then it goes away and it felt so fresh and weird. And now it's like, you see these things, you'll see things on Instagram, you'll see them on Twitter, but it's exhausting.

It feels like there's this constant churn of people needing to put out these things to feed the out. And it loses some of its wonder, I think. So watch this. Are you aware of why people are paying for blue check marks on Twitter? So they can post longer things? I mean, that's one of the perks.

The biggest thing is, how many followers do you have on Twitter? Let me, let's start there. 85,000. 85,000. When you tweet, your tweet is showing up to a fraction of a percent. They're throttling you. So your 85,000 followers, only about 8,500 are going to get Charlotte's actual tweet. And the other ones, if they stumble upon it through someone else that they follow retweeting it maybe, but they're just not seeing your content unless they go to your page, you

pay for the blue checkmark Every one of your followers is gonna get it in their curated timeline, right? So then you put on top of that if you are a blue checkmark, which means you're paying and You have a certain number of followers and you have a certain number of views of your posts over the last three months. I think it's five million Then you start getting paid for your tweets. Yes. So now, what is Elon like then mowing you on the side? Yeah, like you put in your bank account info and like every month you get a certain amount

of money. So what we've done was what used to happen on Twitter 10 years ago was Charlotte would post some funny joke or just like the funniest, most brilliant joke you've ever heard. Or maybe a picture of like a storefront that you saw where they misspelled the word or whatever, and it would legitimately go viral because people will, huh, that's funny and it goes, it goes around. Now it's like, no, it's the ones that are going viral are the people who paid money to make

sure their stuff go viral. And when you pay money to make sure your stuff goes viral, are you just saying, huh, that's a funny sign? Or are you sitting around thinking of ways to go viral? It takes all the organic out of it. I feel like this is the scene from the movie Twister where Bill Paxingel, they went out and got themselves some corporate sponsors. Now it's evil. I have talked a lot about the the fact that we are not talking enough about how people in general are addicted to

this thing and what they think are the realities of this thing even though there isn't a lot of reality in what it is that's happening there. I don't believe that we've spent nearly enough time examining, because I think most people, I say addiction, you say, okay, that's a pejorative term. You don't want to be addicted to anything, but I don't think we've spent enough time talking about or examining what a mental health calamity, this entire thing is that we are addicted to. I have told my wife that if I was not in this industry, I would frisbee my iPad into the ocean. I don't want to be connected to this thing, but I feel like I have a responsibility to be connected to this thing. And it's where

I feel like I'm always falling behind because if you're not constantly attendant to it, you're missing out on the big 48 oyster story. You're feeling like a real idiot because I mean, it's saying something and you don't know what he's talking about. And it has me at 4 a.m. on Sunday morning, trying to figure out why farting is tort trending because AOC evidently farted on some,

you know, somebody thought she farted and I'm chasing just these stupidities. Yeah, and it takes me a while and I'm keeping to be reminded of this that the social media world is not the world and it's not what the vast majority of people are thinking when the Montgomery, Alabama, doc fight video went viral. I was like, cool, I'm gonna talk about this on stage and I went right to stage and I talked about it and the audience was staring at me like, the what? Yeah, the huh.

I'm like, the video, the chairs, black ice swimming. I was like, gone. We have, and they were just staring at me. Like they didn't know what I was talking about. So you need those reminders every now and then I'm like, oh yeah, that's Twitter is not the world. But do you think that the people listening to this, do you think that we have an awareness about this thing

that you're consuming or addicted to or presently tethered to at too much of the time, it's unhealthy that what we're doing is actively and consciously unhealthy it, not only unhealthy, but the people behind these apps. Know it scientifically. Research, the Instagram story that came out last year, where they know what it does to people.

And they are playing into those darkest points. All of them, like Google, if you search like a nice pair of leather shoes near me, they will show you, they know based on your, they're not, or like best pair of blank, they are not gonna show you the actual best thing. They're gonna show you what the ad dollars will give them the most money for, or what your habits, it's burying actual stuff for the stuff,

it's like Twitter for the stuff people have paid for. And I think that the goal for all of these companies is to have you not leave their platform. Like Facebook realized that when you could link to news stories, people clicked it, took them away from their platform. So, oh, we're pivoting to organic video. Suck people in, Instagram realized, oh, well, we're pivoting to organic video. Suck people in. Instagram realize,

oh, well, we can't just be pictures anymore, even though that's what our customer base says they want, because the way we will keep people sucked in is with video after video after video. And if you, if you, if they lose your eyeballs, if you leave their site, they have lost something. So it's in their best interest to keep you as hooked as possible. Yeah, my wife is addicted to Facebook marketplace. So she doesn't go to Amazon anymore. She was to Facebook marketplace and she's obsessed with this group called Buy Nothing. I don't know if you guys. I know that. Yes. Yes. So buy nothing for those you don't know. It's just a free exchange. You are, you say, Hey, this is what I have. I'm charging no money and come

take it and you are not allowed to pay anything on by nothing. I mean, trying to grab his phone right now. Where? Free stuff. But the side effect of this is my wife saw some records on by nothing. And I had just gotten a record player. So she wanted to do the very sweet thing of like, oh, I'm gonna get my husband some records. So then we go, she goes to this person's house, a strange house. She pulls up, she's like, I'm here for the records

and they go, great, they bought out like four palette jacks of records, just insane and not records that you wanna hear. It's like mine comp on audio. Three copies. Three different languages. And now she has a palette jack of records in the back. Oh, she had to take it all.

She had. She's too nice of a person. She and say no, she's like, okay, I got myself into this scenario. What? Did the person buy it to give them away? No, they got it from their like dead grandfather or something. They had it and I don't want this. Yeah. Just get someone's come to you. Are they in your like, do you have them? Yes. I have all the records. I

have. There's a room in my house that is now the record room and not in a way. Are you going to go back to buy nothing and now sell the ones or give away the ones you don't want? If you're in the Los Angeles area and you see me holding one record, buyer beware, it's not gonna be one. You know what you should do. You should bring them with you to the show and then autograph them. Yeah, like sign them. Here's a, here's Rosemary Clooney sinking a nursery rhyme, but I'm gonna sign it.

Oh, wait, that's literally a record that we have. So you, any of you feel shame when your computer tells you that your screen time is up by a week. I have gotten mine down though. I've just, I've been like, this is, this feels awful. I need to not look at this. And then when it does go up, I feel, yeah, I feel like I haven't gotten my steps in. The screen time steps are also directly correlated.

It'll be like, you're a screen time on up 60% and you walked one foot, you the giant slub. It's such a sobering moment when I'm just sitting there on a Friday and all of a sudden the thing pops up and it's like, you averaged 12 hours a day and you're just like, ah, ah, ah, ah. And then it's a, and you're down 7%. No.

He just said to her, like, like an A A meeting support group. Good for you. You're down. You're down. Your screen time is down. I'm sorry. I meant it. Thank you.

I was like, you're working on yourself. You can't always tell around here. Yeah, you're getting better. And that's wonderful. Thank you so much. Thank you. And it's on right now, no waiting necessary. You have the latest phone, now take advantage of a great price on a 5G subscription phone plan. It's the perfect deal for anyone who could use some savings right now.

Subscribe today at publicmobile.ca. Different is calling. This is the Don Lebatars show with the Stugat. I have told you guys how alone I feel, trying all over America to pay cash for things and feeling like I'm being discriminated against because my cash is no good unless you have a tip jar because so many of these places they'll take only my credit card right up until the tip jar is there. They all have tip jars and those don't take credit cards. I'm telling you right now, Dan, I'll take your cash anytime you need.

Well, I was delighted to go to a comedy show earlier this week and have this happen because it was cash only, first of all, cash only and not only cash only, but so old school that when I got there, the woman who took my cash went and fished the change out of her bra. Put the cash in her bra and took it out of her bra. But do you think that if there are many cash only places anywhere, that people now with cards, that the tide has shifted so much on this, that people with cards feel like I do with cash. What do you mean I only can pay cash here?

That seems like something that's unfair to me. Is the reverse happening? Oh, yeah. I never have cash in if they say I can't pay with even my phone. Like sometimes I'll walk around without even a, without even a card. I'll just have my phone out doing the little double tap. Look at your face. Yeah.

Beep. The wild thing is when I was a kid, I learned in social studies that cash is legal tender, meaning they cannot refuse you if you're paying in cash. So even if you showed up to McDonald's as I did in high school, I get offended every time. With a jar full of pennies and counted them out to buy a word cheeseburgers. There were 39 cents of pop on Wednesdays. They had to take it. And now yesterday or maybe the day before yesterday, I went to a breakfast spot. I'm not going to give them free pub even though I love their breakfast sandwiches. And they know I love their big Mac.

And they would, no cash. The woman in front of me tried to pay in cash, sorry, no cash. And I said, are you allowed to do that though that was illegal or has that changed? Have they changed that law? Was that never a law? Was I lied to during social studies? I went to a concert that it said on the ticket, this is a cashless venue, which I'm like, great time to wrap cash.

Maybe it's just that no one's enforcing it. Maybe it's not legal. There you go, Dan. It's not lobbying. It doesn't seem to me like it should be legal. I don't know if you guys have noticed incidentally, because Mike's mood can be something that is sometimes hard to read. But I feel like Mike Ryan, I don't know if I've analyzed this correctly, but I feel like Mike Ryan hasn't been himself at

all this week, and I think the reason for it is because he hasn't gotten the airtime that he wants to laugh at Dion Sanders and Colorado that had happened on Saturday. And I got up on Sunday morning to a bunch of texts of photographs of what I thought was some of the widest celebrating I'd ever seen. It's not only Stanford football offensive lineman, but they are, it looks like they're flexing and what they're actually doing is they're doing Shador Sanders, the flashing of the Rolex, but none of them are wearing watches. Like they're all, they're all flashing the Colorado bench, making fun of Colorado and Shador Sanders for that celebration.

This is where the Miami persecution complex comes from because I was just on the heels of an entire week of everybody laughing at Miami and granted, it was embarrassing for different reasons, but that is a national embarrassment. These are not my words. These are coach primes words. He's fast up to it being super embarrassing. But yeah, I would have liked to have laughed at their expense a little bit more, considering that Dan Levitard has been quoted as saying, one year in, he's fixed it. No, I said he's worth the money. He's worth fixed it. No, I said he's worth the money.

He's worth the money. There's no disfew that he's worth the money. Yes, steady fixed it. Yes, steady fixed it. They were the most weight of money. Wait a minute. Yes, steady fixed it. You got to clear out.

He takes time to fix it. They are relevant. That is winning. Yeah. Well, not relevant enough to apparently wait till midweek to laugh at their expense here on the day on Levitard show because that was hilarious for all the amazing reasons. And I do want to give credit to Travis Hunter because he played with a a lacerated liver, I think.

And you would say that, wow, he really struggled in that game. He gave up about 300 yards to a Stanford receiver that was just bullying him, but also Travis Hunter, the receiver was brilliant in that game. So I can't on one end say, well, he was bad because of the injury and then ignore how great he was on the other side of the ball. It's a little odd when you have that. This being said, I love Deon Sanders leadership throughout that. And I've credited him with his approach on certain kids, even though Cormon and McLean was

absent on the field. I guess he stepped into it again. I think his leadership and believe me, the cameras were there to catch it about ignoring social media. And this loss was difficult on a lot of the players. It's unfair, the expectations that we've projected over the last few weeks in the coverage that we've projected on Colorado because Colorado is absolutely the type of football team you're over here from last year that can blow a lead to Stanford. That can eCAD a victory over Arizona state. That is their class. It's unfair what we put on them. But if you're going to put them on there, if you're going to run an

entire week's worth of daytime content from ESPN and crown their ass, then we're going to laugh at them too. But that's, that's the problem, right? Like we, there is no in between. You can't have a sober appraisal of what they are. It's either, oh my God, he's amazing. They're amazing. But they didn't do it too. Of course, that's what he does.

But I think one of the things that you mentioned is I'm staggered how people aren't listening to the things that he's actually saying because through all of that, Dion is incredibly old school in the way he coaches in the way he holds people accountable. The Kormane McLean thing is fascinating because how many other schools in America would have been like to hell with it, just play the kid. He was a big time recruit and he'll figure it out, right? And Dion saying, no, we have expectations and standards. And if you don't meet them, I don't care.

You're not going to play. Yeah. And those are expectations at Colorado, right? The leg, which is, it's a lot easier to become academically eligible at the University of Colorado. It's a lot easier to throw someone out there like Cormony McClain, given where Colorado was as a program out there. I think from everybody else, but you've warped people,

people that have been in this industry for a long time, that are crowning their ass. Well, but the opposite side, right? People who are intent on, he's awful, they're awful. Ha, ha, ha, ha, see, I told you. Like, I said, there's no place. Which has never been me. I'm enjoying laughing at their expense because I find it,

it's absurd the credit that he's getting right there. Sure, but like Danny Canal, for instance, I'm like, some of the things he says, I'm like, that's an FSU thing though, with Danny. Sure. But it represents. It might be other things. Sure. Absolutely. But it represents kind of the other side of almost, there has to be an infinite amount of hatred because there seems to be an infinite amount of hatred because there seems to be an infinite amount of love. One of the things that I thought was mind blowing was that first loss they had,

where you had all the people all the way on the side doing a victory lap. And then, oh yeah, so they lost Oregon and remember the video came out of the speech where the coach comes out and says they do it for clicks. We do it for whatever, whatever. Something more noble.

Something more noble, right? And of course, or something less flashy, something less black, or something whatever he was doing, he was doing something that suggested we're the opposite of whatever they are. Well, that's the thing that the whole of the discipline. Right. The number of people who are in our industry who have been very, y'all, Ra Ra, Deon Sanders, who took so much offense to that speech. I said, have you been in a locker room before?

Do you think guys, now those are good guys out there. We're pretty good too. Let's go out there and give them a good, no, you go out there. They're evil. We got to destroy them. I once heard a coach in our locker room. As part of the pep talk to say that team were playing Cleveland like they're from the east. We're out here in the west. You guys don't remember the Cold War and the Cold War. The West and the East were mortal enemies and our mission was to destroy the

East. Tonight guys, our Cold War begins. I'm like, you made a cold war analogy because we're on a regular season game against Cleveland in like February or whatever. But that's what the lock on speech is are and then they're supposed to be over the top and very kind of a polarizing. What the whole thing reminds me a little bit of the bachelor. Hear me out. Everybody sit on the bachelor. People would be like, well, you know, or the bachelor. Hear me out. Everybody sit on the bachelor, people would be like, well, you know, or the bachelor at say, bachelor at you have one woman, a bunch of guys,

and guys would be like, well, he's not here for the right reasons. And I am. And it's like, no, you're not. You're here, we're all here to be on television. We're all here to make money for ourselves and for this program. We're all here to win.

There are no right reasons. So I think that there's a lot of this equivocating between, well, Deon's not doing it the right way or he's doing it the flashy way when, you know, even the, what, what is Colorado States coach? The other matter, no, no, no, no, no, the blue collar guy. It's like, the guy who doesn't wear sunglasses. Yeah, everybody's playing the same game. They're just playing it differently. And Dion is playing it very well because everybody's talking about him, which I think is the goal.

But this is the part that I don't think that Mike's being fair to me on because I didn't crown them. They were one of the worst power teams, power five teams. What are you making faces about? I mean, I was celebrating the fact that they were going to be an R better than they were last year And the over under on them was three and a half games won this season and they they top that very early

I mean, I think nationally right now the reputation reputation of Colorado is better than my amys. And I believe, which is, which is part of the problem too, because that's, that's irrational. It's irrational. If you look at just the, the results, what? You calling someone else irrational is, no, it is. And I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth too, because I get caught up in it too, because I was very much enjoying Sanford's victory. And it's not even so much over Coach Prime, but it's all the people that have viewed this through.

I've heard some of that damn viewed it initially. They're interesting. The present might be just like this guy's the greatest thing ever. It's a content factory. That's all I'm rooting for, man, at this point in my life, I don't care who wins or loses. Just who's producing the stuff I can talk about? But ultimately he's going to be judged by who wins and loses. And the discourse around him is unlike anything we've ever seen because you know what I get hit with when I enjoy

them, you know, just growing, I think, on a normal timetable, but through the eyes of some given where the expectations were, a misstep here or there is, it reminds me a lot of the Cam Newton discussion when I came out with very valid criticisms that I was found out to be right several months after the fact, which I get hit with races. You're racist. I get hit with racism accusations because this is, it's certainly galvanized a black audience if you see the numbers, if you see who's on the sidelines, this is very much a black empowerment story.

Everyone is rooting for Deon Sanders and many white people too to get this right to shift the paradigm to have people finally skip a line that wasn't afforded to them. I understand all that, but to line up an opposition of that and say, let's hold our horses and get hit with the other extremes on it isn't necessarily fair either. I think the the entire Dion discourse while being fascinating is also totally out of hand. You're saying though wins and losses is how he's going to be measured and I disagree. To me, how he's going to be measures. Did he make money for the program? Did he do right by the program by making it matter again?

All the programs make Jimbo Fisher has made a lot of money for Texas A&M football. Mike that is not like they're going to the big 12. They're going to make money. I understand what you're saying. He win at the business. He's won at the business already. He's paid for himself. That's winning. If they have two consecutive three win seasons following this, like he's not going to be like their stadiums are full. Their stadiums are full. The stadiums aren't going to be full once the novelty wears off and he keeps throwing up bad seasons. What I'm saying is ultimately in that industry, coaches are judged by wins and losses. And this one is doing it differently at a program that has done nothing but lost for 30 years and is now making an enormous amount of money.

But they're also still losing. They're low in their division. They are low in their conference. What did you say? What place are they in in their conference? I mean, they're second to last right now in the pack 12 conference. There's a meme that makes me laugh every time,

which is like the standings and then the dude and third is just. Oh, yeah. But it's like the pack 12 and there's like 14 teams on there. On the second of last stool is the Colorado person on the metal stand, spraying themselves with shame pain, biting the metal. Yeah. Yeah.