The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Hubris

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

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Cuervo Cuervo The tequila that invented tequila. Proximo, Cuervo.com, please drink responsibly. Cuervo.com please drink responsibly Cuervo This is the Don Leventor Show with the StuGuts Podcast Hey is your team still playing playoff basketball? I don't know what that's like. That's because my team got historically swept. But if you're in the NBA market and there's playoff basketball

going on, it's probably a hard ticket to get I Imagine well, where do you go primary markets sold out? What are your options if you're like me you've probably scoured the entire marketplace and you found like I did that the game time Map is the best place trust me when I say this I've tried them all GameTime gives you panoramic seat views unparalleled ticket coverage download the game time app create an account and use code dan that is d-a-n and get $20 off your first purchase terms apply download game time today last minute tickets lowest price guaranteed best app for NBA playoff tickets Billy it felt like you were accusing Zaslow of being a front

runner on his heat stuff but Mike Ryan has basically been saying I've checked out on basketball for two years the moment that I saw the heat weren't going to be any good anymore. Mike Ryan has just checked out on all basketball because for 13 years he got to ride the highest highs and then he said I don't want to ride this anymore. I just disagreed with all their moves. Like they get rid of Kyle Lowry, which I hate. Thank God. And they brought in Terry Rozier.

It's like a slap in the face to me. So like I've just hated their approach. I hated that they allowed everybody in the Eastern Conference that they were chasing that Eastern Conference banner with to get better. While they lost sometimes directly head to head and trying to acquire talent. It's been terrible. They're all about culture, they're all about trying hard,

and yet their stars don't play half the season. They do all the same shit that everybody else does and they've been living off of a reputation. Trust me, like making that run in the bubble, making that run as an eight seed from the playing on down, that's incredible outlier stuff that probably worked against the best interests of a franchise that wasn't that good to begin with. Man, that Dame trade really didn't work out for anybody. Cause the Heat have ended up where they are and Milwaukee is equally in bad footing.

Portland's better though. It seemed to work out for Boston. Yeah, it worked out great for Boston. Yeah, they cleaned up the scraps of that trade. I just mean the Damien Lillard part of it. Look, all you have is a result. And you could say, well, I guess Miami Heat dodged one. Oh, no, I'm not saying that.

I don't think we'd ever really know how that would have gone with Dame, the fit, his health. He had a lot of stuff going on in his life that hasn't been super reported on around the same time that he was told by the franchise he always loved and did the right thing by. We're not gonna actually send you to the place that you want to go. We're gonna make an example out of you and have the ringer do our bidding for us.

It's just a shame like for him, for the Heat, for the Bucks, for everybody. And you look at all these teams that in the last five or six years were in the finals. You look at Phoenix, you look at Milwaukee, you look at even Denver who's battling now. The Heat, all these teams that had these stars that you thought, oh, you can continue to build around some of those guys in their prime, let alone, and now they're all sort of floundering, even for that matter, Golden State,

the only reason they're there is because they took the star from one of the other teams, and that's the only reason they're still relevant. By the way, I'm not hating on the Ringer. I think what the Ringer did, like obviously, by their pro Celtics personalities, was a masterstroke. It's why they have a banner.

They reacted to that Lillard to Heath thing so out of proportion that it was such an outsized reaction that it really, it beat the market, it established a narrative and it got a lot of buy-in. Hey, this team that just made it to the finals as an eight seed, we can't let them have an actual good player. This is one of the things that has happened here

on a day meant to laugh at the Miami Heat. We were defeated by the ringer. It wasn't that long ago I was gonna hang a Bill Simmons banner in here with you, Donnis Haslam of his face in game seven, and Zazzle has just eaten all of your words, Mike, without rebuttal. I'm watching on television,

they're saying get rid of Pat Riley. I haven't seen that on television before. That's not something, in my lifetime, that's not something I have ever seen on television. Such an easy stance to take. Look, in the last five years that we're talking about here, only two teams in the entire league have been to the finals multiple times.

Only two, only two. I mean, one of them won the title last year in Boston, and the other one's Miami. Like, that's it. Only two teams in the whole league have been to the finals multiple times last five years. And Dallas made the final last year. Okay.

And how does their window look? Because we've been laughing at Dallas all season long. Now you just got your ass kicked harder than any team has ever gotten its ass kicked in the playoffs before. I really sincerely hope that this is the wake-up call that we were sounding the alarms for two years ago. Well, I think the wake up call is when they decided

to trade Jimmy Butler. That's the signal that it's over. This run is over. Now we are going to make major changes. But they slipped through the previous wake up calls. The time to trade him was in the off season. They totally butchered the Jimmy. It's fact.

It's fact. They butchered it. Mike, I'll agree with you in this He's right in that the moment you knew you weren't gonna pay him. You gotta get out. I mean, there's no culture There's no well, that's where I think they screwed up. That's that's the misstep right? I think there's a little bit of hubris in that spot words. Okay, we we know what happened in Minnesota We know what happened in Chicago Even though we've already well now Philly I mean like they essentially chose not to bring those not to pay right right we know the mess that he made over there We know that he's a crazy person, but hey we have heat culture here. We have enough stability

He's gonna play out the remainder of his contract here because we're us and they're not and that was where they made their mistake There was I think a lot of hubris involved that that backfire that to me is a There was, I think, a lot of hubris involved there. And it backfired. That to me is a key word, because I think their last two big missteps involved a lot of hubris. From Pat Riley sending out that memo, backing up the one player you never want back into a corner,

and also their whole approach to the Damien Lillard acquisition. Tyler Hero, take it or leave it. Using us, I'm guilty of it. I was a mouthpiece for them. I played the game. I played the game way worse than the Ringer did. I mean, you believe that's what it was as opposed to Joe Cronin refusing to even engage? using us, I'm guilty of it, I was a mouthpiece for them. I played the game, I played the game way worse than the Ringer did.

I mean, you believe that's what it was as opposed to Joe Cronin refusing to even engage? Yes, because I think the refusal to even engage was Miami's hubris in approach to it in speaking through this show and saying, it's Tyler here, what are your options? Can you get anything better? Yeah, but I mean, how many times in the league

do negotiations for a trade start like that? And then eventually you'll work your way to the real trade. That was what we talked about at the time. It's not that, hey, this is a good deal. Why isn't Portland doing it? It's the, you won't even engage in conversation. Your star does not want to be there anymore. You're already here.

Let's work. Let's at least give me a counter and then we'll work our way. This idea that we're not gonna talk. But Mike, I don't know if that's hubris. The Jimmy Butler, hey, he's fine thing, that absolutely is hubris, which is crazy because you know who else made the same exact mistake?

It was Tom Thibodeau in Minnesota where he was just like, no, no, Jimmy's fine. Jimmy told them as soon as their season was over, the last season, hey, not gonna pay me, get rid of me. And Tibs was like, no, no, he's fine. Jimmy's my guy, I understand him. Just when the season starts, everything will be fine and everything unraveled.

And so for them to not learn from that mistake at all and for them to think that, oh no, things are different here, even though this guy has demonstrated a specific way of handling that situation, it was a huge misstep. To me, the littard thing is just like, it's what I was talking about earlier in the show with you,

which is, yo man, sometimes people just don't wanna do a deal, like, that's not Pat Riley's fault. The four teams involved in that Lillard pursuit, Portland, Milwaukee, Boston, Miami. All the GMs got extended. That were involved in that deal. Milwaukee's GM somehow got extended that were involved in that deal. Milwaukee's GM somehow got extended. Portland's GM got extended.

The Boston Celtics are NBA champs right now. Miami's approach, they failed, and it ended up strengthening at the time Milwaukee, but Lillard just hasn't worked out for them, and made Boston into a champion. We failed, guys. We failed, the plan didn't work, and it made everybody else stronger.

It was a disaster that some saw two years ago, and we wasted two years. We just wasted two years with arguably the greatest head coach in NBA history. I don't think you can ever say we failed when it's trying to trade for someone. Now, if you trade for- Or two finals appearances in five years is not failure.

I mean, you made Milwaukee and Boston better. Like, they didn't wanna deal with you, and it feels like they screwed you over and said, and F you, Drew Holliday's going to Boston. Like, it was just such a disaster. But that's not Miami that did that. No, but Miami had a hand in it. And I do think that the hubris thing is real.

Having lived through it and having spoken to it. And I remember the tone of Tyler Hero, take it or leave it, try to find something better. No, I get it. What I'm saying to you is that's negotiations. And ultimately they don't trade a guy to seven different teams. They trade them on one team. And so everyone else is inherently a quote unquote loser,

but that's not the same as making a mistake. Now, if you wanna do, hey, Kyle Lowry trading Dragic and precious Atua to not only trade for Kyle Lowry, but to overpay him, that's a misstep. To say, hey, instead of just eating the Kyle Lowry contract, trading for Terry Rozier and having another year of that, those are missteps to me. And obviously the Jimmy Butler thing we just talked about, but when you say, oh, I thought

you were supposed to get Kevin Draper, you didn't. Yeah, man, it's not a unilateral thing. Someone else is working on this. That's why I didn't invoke that, even though I have my problems with that. I'm sure that's been the one that's eluded Pat his entire time down here. But yeah, Kyle Lowry, they made it to the finals in spite of that, but they made some very bad moves here while developing some guys into big time players and contracts that, guys have had nice careers in the NBA

because of the development down here in Miami, but they've made mistakes. I think the mistakes you're talking about, the real ones are marginal mistakes. Mistakes, yes, but marginal. You're trying to acquire a player, not getting him's not a mistake. That's not a mistake.

I don't think nuking your entire season and having Jimmy Butler hold your season hostage is- That's a mistake, that's a mistake. Yeah, that's a big time mistake that we called out at every step of the way. That's a big time mistake, the Jimmy Butler thing, big time mistake, but not acquiring a trade, not consummating a trade.

Try to get this guy, try to get this guy, try to get that, like these aren't mistakes. That's the job, bro. No, but, oh no. No, but, no, but. No, no, no, but Dan, it's like saying Ted Williams was a failure because 60% of the time he didn't get an idiot on this. This is how he and Heat fans have been influenced

by the last 15 years that ends with, hey, I'm out if you're not championship good in two years. I don't even care about basketball. Wait a minute, when you talk about what's happened down here in 15 years of spoiling is yeah Miami gets all the guys. I'm used to getting all the guys and for many years. They don't get the guys They got Jimmy Butler. I don't know how they did that it still confuses me They didn't have any money, and they had deal waiters and a son white side

I don't need I still don't understand how that happened by the way. They got all the guys. They've got four guys But the bra at the start of Heat fans being obnoxious starts with a stage and they got all the guys. The Heat are just victims of their own mythology that they created, right? Which is championship culture, we're always in it, banners, and we always get the guy,

the Godfather closes all the deals, right? And then when he doesn't close the deals, it's like, well, that's the job. You don't always get everyone that you want. It's like, but you've been telling me for 20 years now, we do get everyone that we want. And you got the big guys. So why can't you?

Who's been telling you that you get everyone? They just got some good players. So now we're expecting that. Literally, in the history of their franchise, Shaq, Zo, Shaq, LeBron. Hardaway. Hardaway was done when they got him. When they got him, his knees were dust.

Everyone's like, oh, it's like saying, oh, well, they got Jimmy Butler. I knew Jimmy Butler. Well, don't we say the same thing then about Shaq? Shaq had two really good years, that was it. I mean, if you don't think this franchise has been yanking its own crank for 10 years off of this reputation.

Zess, you've been doing it down here. You've been doing it down here. Whale hunting, the Godfather, they're gonna get a guy. You're a crank anchor. You're part of the, everyone of you created this culture of delusion down here. Alice Merges in the corner cranking that hog to culture.

I'm one of the anchors. And it was me. No one's cranking their hog. And you know what? I sang a sad pep-us and I apologize to the audience because I was being used. And it took the hubris that they approached that Damien Lillard thing and the failure of that

for me to realize this is, oh, this is a systemic issue. You shouldn't apologize, Mike. You were a victim there. There's victim blaming. So what's gonna happen, though? Okay, what's gonna happen? Maybe it even takes a couple of years. Couple years till they're good again.

How many years does Pat Riley have left? Like, are you back as a fan then in a couple years when they're good again? Whoa! I like the heat. Whoa! What happened? What'd go again? I like the heat. Whoa! What happened?

What'd he say? He killed Pat Riley. No, I didn't. You said how many years has he left? Amine's leaving. I asked a question. Amine, you've made Amine leave. That's garbage.

It's a question. And, no, I, so, like, to answer your question. DeAnders could report something a couple weeks ago, and then it ended up turning into this ice cream thing, but it was like very morbid in the morning. I'm telling you, it was like a funeral that day. Everyone was like, something bad is going on here behind the scenes and then last minute at pivot,

I don't know if we got new test results or something, but it's like ice cream, not cookies. Everyone was confused. Amit was here, he remembers. I was here, it was, because Dan said, I have some very important Miami Heat news, I'm gonna break it on air. And then he walked away and so we all sat there like.

We went to the greenery and said, I can't be part of this meeting today. And we're like, whoa, Dan loves the meetings, he's in this meeting every single day. He's blowing this off, this has to be something serious. We all like in hushed tones are like. What did you expect it to be? Without Pat stepping down.

Not stepping down. Not stepping down. For the final step down. It was either Pat is dangerously ill or he's no longer with us. No, we started, yeah, because we started thinking, like, oh my gosh, they named the court after him, the Lakers making a statue after him,

like something's going on, and all of a sudden everyone's honoring him out of the blue, and now Dan is very sad here, and then boom, ice cream, and we're like, whoa, okay. It's on the television, Get Pat Riley Out, and I wanna object to only one thing that was said in the last, I don't know, 10 minutes, which is that Zaslow, again,

is saying what the heat are guilty of and what the hubris is. And he said that already on the starting lineup this morning with Frank Isola and Brian Scalabrini said the same thing word for word. Like the words were the same. So I'm supposed to assume that your entire audience is the same as the audience from starting line up.

I just don't want your recycled shit. We're hiring you for good stuff. It's my thoughts. Yeah, I mean Billy Joel doesn't come out and play new songs at his concert. It's my opinion. Piano man, that's what he does. Billy Joel, you want the hits.

Pearl Jam does whatever it wants. I can't believe Dan listened to that interview this morning. That to me is the shocking thing, is that Dan's just like mainlining starting line-up. Oh, it's a good show. I'm gonna tell you right now. It's a great show. Anytime Dan LeVittard is in his car,

he listens to NBA radio. I thought it was 80s on eight. No, I get radio text. I hear a mean on a lot also. I get a lot of screenshot text. And it's always in the car. I mean it, Jason Jackson are getting it done on your Sunday morning.

Jason Jackson, Jason Jackson, you're nasty. I understand Zazz coming at me for being a bad fan. I'm still a Heat fan. I just don't want to be like- It's kind of garbage. Like in a couple of years, if the Heat are good again, you're going to be all in again. It's like, come on, man. Yeah, I'll be, I'll be, I'll be in again. I'm not watching them. You're wearing a Panthers jersey today. They're, they're behind a a they're behind a paywall Flatly you abandon this team as soon as you get eliminated Over here, I'm supporting the only one of our teams that is still actively playing games

No support the team that brought you here. That's what the one you brought That's the one that brung you the Miami Heat acquired my least favorite player of all time And then they put their games behind a paywall And I didn't feel like rewarding them by accepting the paywall with the product that they were putting out there. You've had this attitude for several years, man. Yeah, because I haven't agreed with the direction of the franchise.

Like, do you want to talk about America and my feelings about that? Like, people can check out and circle back and be like, once there's a change in direction, I'm back in. Mike, I'm going to stick up for you here, because one of the things that happens as you get older is you begin to realize things that we were fixated on

as younger people is so dumb. And one of the biggest ones for me is the idea that like, I'm a fan of basketball, I love basketball. Who's your favorite team? It's XYZ, the Miami Heat. Why would I chain myself? If I'm a fan of basketball, why would I chain myself to watching bad version of basketball, why would I chain myself to watching

bad version of basketball? That's how fandom works. No, but like if I'm a fan of basketball, wouldn't it be smarter to like, I wanna watch the team that plays fun and good basketball. So now I'll be a Cavs fan or I may be a Thunder fan. And then in a couple of years, maybe there'll be the Rockets.

I don't like the guys. I don't like the guys. I've supported plenty of bad teams that I like. I was a Browns fan where they won one game for two years, but I love Joe Thomas, I love Andrew Hawkins. I don't like the guys on the team. I don't like Bam. I don't like Tyler. I would have loved to have watched Jimmy. He was out half the f***ing game. I'm sorry for Kirsten. I got emotional. This is why I said I was going to speak one spoken too. I'm sorry. It's just like, yeah, come at me for being a bad fan, but I think I got your ass on America. I don't see you guys wrapping yourself in the flag like you did during the Clinton years.

They did during the damn Four Nations Cup when everyone all of a sudden turned into the biggest patriot ever. I couldn't believe what happened to my country, my people, just everyone was swayed by patriotism in the middle of the year for a hockey tournament a made-up hockey tournament Can I can I just and yes, this is also Canadian? That's I'm a man. I'm born in this country. I'm very hold on now. Hold on this that wasn't a denial

Well dual citizenship Well, now who's a fence sitter? Yeah, I fall so so so when it's almost exclusive so when America loses by 60, then you all become a Canadian? No! I am American. I am a proud American. I was born here. There is no denying that. Me being a dual citizenship is something my mother set up for me when I was born. Just in case. Just in case, that's true. Just in case he gets swept.

Just in case things went awry in this country. Just in case, Zaslow. Just in case the heat are bad, I have this panther jersey. Just in case the Panthers are bad, I have a heat jersey. Just in case one of the countries, I have citizenship in the other one. Just in case. My approach to the Miami Heat is, one that you revealed is your approach

to the Florida Gators, even though you went to Santa Fe. Wow. I'm not doing this again. Okay, wow. You didn't go to UF? This is, hold on now. You of a way to say in a fake But it was close enough. No wait a minute. No, it's no shame in that I see why I want to write call There is no there's no shame, but don't pretend you're a gator if you're not a gator There is no shame in that if you're not a gator

Someone take credit for going to a community college if they never went to a community college So you don't there either either? Where'd you go? University of Florida, I graduated. I have a degree in journalism from the University of Florida. How dare you? You guys quit inciting Zazz, please. It's not the day, man. I'm super happy.

Panthers last night, come on. Did you go to Santa Fe for like two years and then you went to UF? If you asked me right now to go to Santa Fe Community College and your life depends on you getting there. I'd be dead. I would never know how to get there. This is what's happening around here. Billy, I need you because all you had last night

was Dodgers Marlins and you're just mad. No, I had my ice catcher, what are you talking about? No, that Zaslow. And below deck med. You're just mad that Zaslow gets to live a giant life right now with his sports fandom. My heater dog. And Zaslow came in saying I'm on a heater dog.

Of course, if you always choose the winning team, your team's always gonna win, what do you expect? Got to the casino Saturday night for Pearl Jam, decided to play a little money wheel, won 500 bucks. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the sands listening? Met Dave Bautista on the way out and talked to him and his teenage son was mesmerized by how popular Zaslow was with Dave Bautista.

He had such a funny organic reaction my son. We're leaving the concert the other night and I see walking right next to him, I think that's Bautista. And obviously we're huge pro wrestling fans cuz wrestling is everything. And I just go, Bautista. And I give him a fist bump and hey, hey. I go, and he's wearing a Pearl Jam shirt. And I go, did you like the show?

He goes, F'ing awesome. I go, F'ing awesome. Must have gone Saturday. And then my son right, no, it was Thursday. And then my younger son right next to me, because he'd ever been around like celebrities and he loves Batista too, Drax, Guardians of the Galaxy. My son sees me just casually talking to Batista and my 13 year old son Jordan goes, what? And I look at him and I go, yeah, just go, go say hello to Batista. He was, he was, just go say hello to Batista. He was shook that we were talking to Batista. And your Panthers give you the 11 seconds

of your life last night? I'm telling you, I almost passed out and fell down the stairs. I had to control myself for a moment there. I was so overly excited, jumping up. I forget, I don't know, I know you look at this face like, wow, he's super young. I'm not that young anymore, all right? And I got really excited, and I had to calm down

I don't think that these guys care the way that you do I think that they've had parts of them extinguished here in places that now I still have it She's seen video me when they scored that third you went into it. Oh my god. I screamed for like two minutes straight I left with a headache. I told you jump up and down. I jumped up and down I was jumping non-stop two fists in the air that place was everyone was that place Where your face Chris? Where your face? Show me? I think I was more I had my friend with me. I was more Left with a headache. Yeah, like a splitting headache. I got this the season ticket holders around

I'm five if you're with someone you like, you gotta jump on each other. It's a whole routine. You jump, you start high fiving. Cavs hurt? Cavs hurt? Everything hurts, Dan. Any pain, any soreness in the calves? No soreness.

They beat the heat pretty handily last night. You guys ever wonder when you're in an arena and you're jumping for joy, right? Because you're so excited and you're like, the engineers, they have to have planned for a lot of jumping. I think about this all the time. All the time, I think, how much jumping a lot of jumping. Right? I think about this all the time.

All the time, I think, how much jumping is too much jumping based on the structure here and what they planned for. Did the engineers plan for a very successful hockey team 20 years after you built the arena and we're gonna have a lot of jumping? And you know, I'm assuming the average weight of the American has gone up in 20 years. So when you're planning this 20 years ago,

are you thinking, you know, an average American, you know, carry the two, whatever, we're probably thinking like 250 for the average American and they're jumping. How long can they jump before we're not structurally sound? And that arena is built to sink into the ground. Yeah, how do you test an arena? When you build it, it's like, all right,

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Big time. That is on my infamous scale of one to 10. That's a 7.6. Solid. Good job, Dan. Good job, Dan. Good job. That's a suey nominee right there.

That's really good. Yeah. This is the Dan LeBattar Show with the StuGats. ["The Stugats Show Theme"] You know what you do? You get Nathan Fielder to build a replica of the arena and then have That show is crazy. I can't believe what he's doing with television. What's his budget? That's the only question I've had through two seasons now of the show. What is the budget? He's getting the only money in Hollywood they're

giving like the Game of Thrones money. He's getting it? It has to be. They're spending more on that than the Last of Us. I'll tell you that right now. Last of Us is shooting out on location. No way. They're spending, he built a replica. He's using it to make a replica of Hudson News. For some reason, it really is amazing.

Hudson News, Hudson News, he built an entire terminal from Bush Intercontinental Airport. I want a terminal. I want to see his budget. I want to see what he's doing, what they're allowing. Somebody is allowing real genius there in a way that's unusual. Usually it's not funded like that. And also, Dan, to be honest, Game of Thrones, they spent a bajillion dollars an episode,

but they got 10 million viewers per episode every week. So it's like, okay, it costs a lot, but it's getting great reviews and audience attraction. I still feel like the rehearsal's like this small show that me and a couple of my friends watched. I'm just learning about it over the last couple of days. I had Amin explain it to me a few minutes ago. It might take a minute for interest to develop because I was interested from the first moment

just because of who was making it and because of the choices. He has a, I mean, he hasn't made anything that's bad. He makes interesting art and on this he's being funded. So it started with a segment on a show in Canada called Nathan on Your Side. And it was, the segment was literally like three or four minutes long. I can't even remember what the show was, but like they had like a segment, a recurring segment,

Nathan on your side and he goes and he helps like a small business, right? And then from that, they grew into Nathan for You, which was a bigger show helping two small businesses in episode for 30 minutes, right, 22 minutes of runtime. And now the rehearsal is like the latest Evolution of this thing where it is as I told that it is the most sophisticated prank show in the world, right? Like you we've reached a point in time where

Prank shows are people on the street acting like assholes like oh, let's build milk all over you. Haha. No, it's a prank It's a prank like you stupid little clowns. That's not a prank show, that's just you being an asshole. A prank show is what this man is doing, where he is, to give you an example, there was a guy last season who was in a trivia crew and had a conversation that he wanted to have, but he was a little scared.

So what Nathan did was rebuild the bar down to every spec, down to the upholstery being torn a little bit here, his upholstery there. He hired actors to play bartenders and patrons and the guy running the pizza oven, the functional pizza oven, right? And then he game plan basically with this dude how to have this confrontation and they did it over and over and over again

until when he finally did it for real he walks into the bar and us as viewers could not tell whether this was the real bar or just another work because nathan kept doing it every time you think this is real it's like no no this is still rehearsing show you all the rehearsal? Yes! It's not just one rehearsal? No! All of it.

All of it. Again and again and again and then they never tell you when the rehearsal is over because you're like, okay this is the real, no wait, no, still rehearsal. Still rehearsal. Oh. That's the genius of the show is that basically every detail, you never know whether or not he's telling you the truth, whether this is scripted, whether it's an actor or a real person, what any of that is totally left up in the air.

And I've never seen any show like it. It says that last year, the season one, or I guess a few years ago, $60 million budget for season one. That's what it says. Don't you wonder how you even pitch a show like that? I mean, for him, I would guess it's off the strength of, hey, I made Nathan for you and that was a successful show.

If you give me a little bit more money, I can push it to another limit. But 60 million sounds low. Well, this is the second season. It's more this season, right? I wanna get to a couple of things here. Mike Ryan was just criticizing Miami Heat management and I'm imagining that Miami heat management would receive that criticism

the same way that brandon bean the bills general manager received criticism of his drafts when he went on a local sports radio show most of the last few minutes of your show before came all wait on your all right like twenty eighteen all over with you guys well we're very well how so well you guys are Well, we're very, how so? Well, you guys were in 2018 about Josh Allen. You guys wanted Josh Rosen and now you guys are that we don't have a receiver.

I don't get it. Like we just go hold on. Let me talk. We just scored 30 points in a row for eight straight games. We a year ago. I get you guys asking why we didn't have receivers, but I don't understand it now. You just saw us lead the league in points when you add all the postseason.

No one scored more points than the Buffalo Bills, including the Super Bowl champions. So you just saw us do it without Stefan Diggs, same group. How is this group not better than last year's group? Our job is to score points and win games where do we need to get better defense we did that so I get it you got to have a show and you got to you got to have something about but about wide receiver is one of the dumbest arguments I've heard the four count there I mean the last part is obviously super condescending but

overall is right well they scored a lot I would say the last part is obviously super condescending, but overall, he's right. Well, they scored a lot. I would say the whole part was condescending. The whole part was right? They have more expertise than we do, generally. What does Ellisberg's voicemail sound like? No one owns the Chicago Bulls in the play-in like this franchise.

Over the last three years, we've displayed that time and time again, and also, you guys keep complaining that we have no title chances. Well, no one got their ass kicked harder than us in NBA history in a playoff series. That guy actually has like- No 10 seats ever made the playoffs. He said the most points.

Ellisberger would be like, we scored the 27th most points this season. We were the first 10 seed to ever make the playoffs. Look at us. The 24th most points, come on, get it right. Like, there are actual bona fides there. Like, That's true. And by the way get off his back There's plenty of good free agent wide receivers out there if you heard him on the starting lineup this morning with Frank guy solo and Brian Scalabrini Jonathan Zaslow had a lot of things

to say About the Miami Heat and one of the things he had to say is, well, maybe we shouldn't have 10 seeds in the playoffs. Fair. I mean, how bad were the Hawks and the Bulls though, that they've lost? Fair, yes, but that, we can agree, Heat, based on playing 82 regular season games and the results we have now in hand,

probably shouldn't have been in the playoffs. And while we're at it, yeah Bulls, yeah Hawks, you shouldn't have been in either, while we're at it. Cause if you lose to the Heat and a 10 seed and we just saw what that is, a whole lot of people, a whole lot of people still feeling the embers of maybe Andrew Wiggins and that one time Jimmy did it to Giannis, you remember the one time?

Nope, that's what it looks like almost. Every time you will see in the future that a one plays a 10. Glass half full, isn't that's what it looks like almost every time you will see in the future that a one plays a ten. Glass half full, isn't that what the one seed should get? A Patsy in the first round, that's what they should be getting. Why do we want that to be an order? They should get a buy. Well no, no buy, we gotta play the game. Buy, hold on now, you know how much gate revenue we got, how much parking and concessions, huh? You think we're just giving this shit

away? If you throw it in front of the owner, you could have a buy, and it automatically advanced the semi-final, or you have to play. They're playing. I wanna go back to something that we talked about briefly yesterday, but it really was something to behold this weekend

on CBS Sunday morning, a majestic television show made for Angela Lansbury and people who are 90 years old Bill Belichick did an interview and during that interview there was some awkwardness now. Here's Here's Bill Belichick talking just about Robert Kraft and his relationship with Robert Kraft, but this this show Is an excellent show, but I've got to make fun of the broadcaster who did this interview because he was maximum television Like this was some this was maximum television like this was some this was some gotcha shit cbs uh sunday morning was doing i have to ask Robert

Kraft because 24 years together six super bowls unless i'm wrong he's not in this book how come he's not well again it's about my life lessons in football and it's it's really more about the ones that i experienced and it's really more about the ones that I experienced directly. He's not even in the acknowledgement section. Correct. Do you feel like you were treated with dignity and respect when you were let go by Robert Kraft?

Yeah, well it was a mutual decision for us the part ways. He said fired. It was a mutual decision. I want to play the awkwardness of Jordan Hudson, sort of his manager, according to Pablo Torre, finds out and handling a lot of his business. And it is now being reported that UNC is concerned with Jordan Hudson.

And also Jordan Hudson is, she's releasing on her social media the suggestion that Bill Belichick is about to have some commentary going forward. Yeah, so there has been a couple of developments. Late night TMZ reported that the interview was actually worse than we saw. They had to cut 30 minutes from it. Jordan, at one couple developments late night TMZ reported that the interview was actually worse than we saw they had to cut 30 minutes from it Jordan at one point according to TMZ stormed out

Expecting Bill Belichick to follow her now earlier in the show today I follow Jordan on Instagram and she screen capped what is purported to be an email written by Bill Belichick Kind of explaining the situation and how they feel decontextualized in the media and getting unfair coverage. Viral decontextualization. Saying that a full statement's coming later today and I gotta say, however this ends or whatever,

but this is a very strange, peculiar story arc for Bill Belichick's legacy that I don't think many people kind of saw coming. Can we all agree there's nothing worse than the, come on, we're leaving and you storm out and then the other person doesn't leave? That's like, that's a lonely place to be. Well, let's listen here and watch here

at the awkwardness of her being off camera and there being some, the reports were from Floreo and others that there were many moments like this and CBS Sunday morning just aired one of them. The other change for Belichick is 24-year-old Jordan Hudson, his creative muse as he writes in his book. Jordan was a constant presence during our interview. How did you guys meet?

Not talking about this. No? No. It's a topic neither one of them is comfortable commenting on. Though Hudson has recently posted about it on Instagram. You joined InstaFace, as you put it. I love that. There's some great pictures of you in Jordan

where you're a fisherman and she's a mermaid. It's charming. It's a different side of you. What's the reaction been like? What's it been like? To have these different sort of photos. there's another one where you're doing I know you're not into meditation or yoga or Pilates you're balancing Jordan on your feet. She's doing kind of the Titanic pose

Yes, so I'm I'm on some of those social media platforms, but I honestly don't Follow them. This is where the media game has passed him by, because he thinks that we're on to Cincinnati, he's going to work in that spot. Not once you got the pictures of you on the beach, coach. We have this one where you're a fisherman, and she's a mermaid.

I just love the dissecting these ridiculous Instagram posts. Chris, the sigh and the kind like little gaze he had right there. I know exactly what that is. So I know I shouldn't have done that shit, man. I knew I shouldn't have let her talk me into doing that. That's that's what that is. Don't blame that on her. He makes his own decisions.

I really doubt Bill Belichick is uploading the photos. I certainly don't think it was his idea. No, I think that some of these things like he's like, let's take this picture Be fun. He's like, okay And he has no thought as to where this is gonna end up and then also like he's like getting news like the fisherman Like a mermaid like oh you guys you think he's learning What's going on with his shirt? How am I putting on a shirt

where you don't look like a bum? Is this a CPS? Guys, guys. Is this a style thing? Are you familiar with Bill Ballantreff? CPS. Absolutely, absolutely. This is him getting styled by her.

And if you want proof, did you see what she was wearing? She was wearing a Navy shirt too, but she's had holes in his clothes for 20 years. Yeah, it seems it. Purposeful. That's purposeful, man. It seems purposeful when he goes out to oppressors. She was wearing she was wearing a navy shirt, too, but he's had holes in his clothes for 20 years Seems purposeful. That's purposeful. It seems purposeful when he goes out to a presser and has holes in his clothes It's it's always what he does. He very clearly is head over heels. I mean we've known Bill Belichick I've known one of Bill Belichick for like 35 years and this is this is crazy behavior. You know what I love love I love love. I love love

If you would have said to me who in sports would be least likely To get caught up in like just this story of what we're talking about I would have thought there were signs There's a lot of creepy old man there were there were signs There were signs. It's not it's not too surprising. It's surprising that she's basically now his like. She's his creative muse. Look, this is what I'm not gonna say, and you're not allowed to say. Love, love.

As not, this isn't surprising. I know you know it all. But I didn't have him as a fisherman with a mermaid taking pictures.