The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: I Agree

Episode Date: April 9, 2024

Greg Cote agrees with Mike Ryan despite not listening to his take as we discuss the new Nike marketing campaign for Victor Wembanyama. Then, it's time to update March Sadness before Stugotz tries to take down anyone who criticizes Caitlin Clark for...not giving him the solo lane to do so. Plus, is GOAT talk equality? And why does Jess keep agreeing with Greg? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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ESPN? Around sports. One of the things that is gone from the way we, many of us, are now watching television is commercials. And ESPN television did some of the greatest commercials that there were anywhere at any time in sports. But I thought of it when I thought, when I saw Wembe's logo released the other day and just thought about how it is that athletes are marketed today and in the streaming age the relevance the importance and the quality of commercials has died where you do not have

athletes being supported I don't think now you can help please correct me if I'm wrong because keep in mind I'm speaking from a place of ignorance at this point. I see very few commercials when watching television So maybe there's some sort of campaign out there that I don't know about that sets up The next Michael Jordan the way Nike originally set him up with Spike Lee commercials that were so artfully done that it didn't even matter that Michael Jordan as an entity wasn't terribly quotable or magnetic as a personality they just framed him in a mythology in the commercial making that made it seem like he was a transcendent god with the best marketing package that anybody could buy. They were right. Nike has now made this for Wemba Nyama as a logo and yesterday

it was controversial they released it during the eclipse and the extraterrestrial sort of spider feel of it I thought was unbelievably cool. I thought when this guy is running this sport as he's going to be if he stays healthy this as a crop circle type of extra terrestrial this is from another land uh... another galaxy logo i thought was exceptional did you guys have any reaction whatsoever to the debut of the Wemba Nyama Nike logo? Because the marketing around this guy, Nike's got a real chance to show people again why it is that they've dominated

the marketing space with not just their sneakers but the way it is that they sell athletes. So I saw it for the first time obviously yesterday as well and I thought to myself the same thing that you thought, wow, that's really really cool, but also I don't think you and I are the people who determine what's cool. So I have no idea. Like what I think is cool, I have no idea if younger people think it's cool. Well answer my question about commercials. Is there a campaign right now that's selling any kind of athlete in a way that's making them greater than in terms of personality then their natural personality because there i don't think in the history uh... was it wide is it white man kennedy

those ee s p in sports center ads are among the best in the history of commercial television but i think nike we can all agree that in the history of marketing there have not been a lot of American entities ever better at marketing than Nike. I agree they're great at marketing but you are not allowed to say that this is cool if you did not think the Eclipse was cool like you just can't nope you're not allowed. I can't correct. Why? Because this was cool because it was marketed and tied in with the eclipse. I feel like I'm going crazy that no one here thinks the eclipse is cool.

I do. Except Greg. Greg, let's go watch some Columbo later. Yeah, please. I find this all very dumb. It's like giving an endorsement contract to a Texas-sized asteroid that's coming to destroy your planet. Yeah, I agree with that. I would like the logo more if

What are you agreeing with? Let me just let me just make sure that you know, that's right I know he's always right. I know that I really I know Work on Tuesdays. Thank you, Billy. I know that Greg's right. He's always right, but I don't think he actually absorbed anything Mike said I think he was just waiting for him to stop talking so he could then talk What are you agreeing with Mike correct me if I'm wrong you made a remark just now that I interpreted as being Against that logo. No, you don't like no No, I'm against Victor women Yama and everything that he stands for because I think you should be outlawed from the game

He's going to destroy the game that we weren't listening at all This is like giving AI a Burger King commercial yeah AI don't get me started on that if if women Yamas nickname were space alien I would love the logo but since it's not the only redeeming value in that logo is that it vaguely has the pattern of a basketball the lines of a basketball otherwise you wouldn't even know what sport do you know? How frustrating do you know how frustrating it is to me? This is generally presenting climate change by Hoka That Mike Ryan is making a point. Are you still belaboring that? Well, I'm gonna tell you why I'm just gonna tell you why

What happened here and what? What my Tuesdays are like? Got on a learn. I got to want to earn. That kind of thing. Exactly. Well said, Jesse. Got to write that down. Note to self, look into personal logo. I'll do it

better than that, I promise you. It's like giving microplastics a Merrill Lynch endorsement deal. Well said. I think they already have that. I agree. Mike Ryan made a point. Oh, still on it. Okay.

That you didn't listen to it all. Didn't absorb. Don't know what he said. Right. You said, I agree. That's not the most frustrating part of it. And then that corner right there says, and I agree with Greg Cody, when Billy-

Well he said he's right. Billy doesn't know what he was agreeing with and Greg Cody doesn't know what he's agreeing with. So all of the noise that comes after Mike Ryan making the point he's making is people who are agreeing with something they didn't understand. We stand united behind Mike. Good teammates.

Yes and. Don't look at me, I've done it a million times. You think you can do a better logo than that? Go ahead, go ahead. I'd like, no, no, let's see. He's got graphic art, Wemby didn't come up with that himself. I know, but he just said he could produce a better. He just guaranteed us. He made it a guarantee

I guarantee you I can produce a better logo than that. That's what he just said Can we give the man a week? I mean when we had a team he had some time to think about it So you have a back in my day today. Is it Tuesday? Yes, of course I do. There you go Oh, hey do yeah, it's Tuesday. Yeah, and you're in yeah, of course I do. There you go. Oh, hey do yeah It's Tuesday. Yeah, and you're in yeah, of course. I do she should go without saying No at this time next week. I will reveal a Greg Cody personal logo nice that hopefully Nike will pick up and we'll be better than that one you guarantee it. Oh, God, yes. It's a crusty sparing. That's a ridiculous logo.

Give him time. It doesn't say Wemba and Yama. It doesn't, you know, it should have a Wemby, you know, something like that, anything. Oh, God, we're going to it right now. And now it is time to take a trip down memory lane. Here's your guy, Greg Cody, with Back in My Day. Wow, a prop.

He really did come prepared. He's got an old fashioned press hat on. Sports attire. One thing we don't do nearly enough is learn from the past and emulate it. In my line of work sports writing, the old scribes would wear suits including press hats like this one in press boxes during games. That's even before my time. I'm talking early 20th century. The late great Edwin Pope might have seen it. Those were days when newspapers were chucked onto lawns by kids on bikes,

when a sports writer took notes longhand with a pencil and was free to get the quote wrong because tape recorders hadn't been invented. Stories clacked to life on heavy battleship grade typewriters. Clunky cameras had flash bulbs that popped and press boxes were filled with acrid cigar smoke. Ah, what we have given up in the misbegotten name of progress. This was an era in sports writing when Philadelphia athletics manager Connie Mack wore a full suit in the dugout, sometimes with an overcoat as well, and topped with a hat. He'd switch it up. Off times a wideband fedora topped the tall technician's skull. Other times a black bowler derby did and sometimes rakeishly it was a straw English boater.

Mack was way ahead of his time. Contemporaries of his like John McGraw and Joe McCarthy and other managers wore uniforms like they do today, but Mac sat bolt upright on the dugout bench necktie peeking out from under a vest. He was ahead of his time because he inherently understood that except for the rare player manager, which expired in the 1960s, there was zero need for a manager to be in uniform unless the express purpose was to look silly. Baseball managers remained the only coaches in American professional sports to still wear uniforms for reasons eternally elusive. What a shock it never caught on, huh?

Trying to picture Greg Popovich courtside in the tank top shorts and sneaks. How about a hockey coach fully padded up and on skates on the bench or Andy Reid in a football helmet. A baseball manager dressed ready for action makes as much sense as a fan showing up at the ballpark in full uniform. Old Bobby Cox looking like the world's oldest player went so far as to wear spikes and a cup during games even as it took him a week to ascend the dugout steps in another month to waddle to the mound. Let's bring back common sense in sports attire and a sense of decorum and class as well. I want to meet the next newly hired big league manager who has the baseballs to wear a suit in

the dugout, to throw it back with a tip of the cap, a tip of the fedora to Connie Mack. I'm going to do my part by from now on, making a press hat de rigore in my working ensemble at games. I'm Greg Cody and that's how it was even back before my day. Connie Mack was born in 1862. Damn right he was. Dugats here from my friends over at Simply Safe. Springtime is all about fresh air, fresh starts, and freshly cleaned homes. And it's the perfect time to give a fresh look at Simply Safe Home Security, the only home security system I use and recommend.

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I was just trying to see how far I could go with that. It is time to update March Sadness. We have our final four, guys. Who's excited? Greg? Yeah, I am. Do you think you have a clue from the Greg Cody region? What made the final four? Hmm I don't know. I hope lovely Cruz made it because that's dear to my heart. I don't even think that made this week

And as I remind you March sadness is presented your limited fake Fake Tony Romo is very good Jessica as I remind you March sadness is presented by get your guide discover over a hundred thousand unforgettable travel experiences in the US and Around the world at get your guide calm All right The song region really hammer the calm there. I mean, I'm trying to hammer everything Yeah, the song region. I mean we know who made this right the one seed It's it's the favorite in the whole tournament the one seed from the song region Pukka Nakua. His name is Cooper

Good at running curls, but when his hammy got a tear he saw Pukka standing there And we wonder now who will that go up against? Well, the song region is going up against the region of death, and who made it? A 16 seed! Made it to the final four, and it's Roy as the bear. It's excellent, I've gotta be honest. Roy Bellamy, the costume that he ended up putting together,

very sparse, it's a cigarette, it's a backward cap, and it's an apron, and yet he pulls off looking like somebody who would be working in the kitchen of the bear. So it's very exciting to see who will make the final from those two. In the other matchup we have, out of the Greg Cody region, let's see, it's nice hat asshole. Can't trade Marino.

Nice hat. Nice hat. It's what he asshole Trade Moreno I'm holding on to it. Do you remember what's got Mitchell look like in that next game after? Two they were nine and two amazing and then they lost their last five and missed the playoffs Nice, they were nine and two, but it's more Reno I said next time we saw More know after a great hoodie trade him He threw for five touchdowns nice man the man on the color you can't trade more you know nice head asshole That makes our Final four serving and it is going against the club region Who do you guys think made it here we had we had I get left and right. And we had, you fat piece of bleep. Hmm.

So just lowest common denominator. That's right. And the winner. I'm guessing Lucy is gonna be the winner. And the winner. Reaching the final four, eight seed. I was getting left and right. We need Lucy to win as a consolation prize

for Caitlin Clark and Iowa losing. She's gonna come in second place. You could just rename all of March's sadness Lucy Rodin. This feels like Pooka Nakua versus Nice Hat to me. Great, yeah, a 50% chance. I like it. Her sadness is profound, right?

Lucy, we have not been able to check in with her this week. Is she broken? Is she taken leave just because she's so sad? Yeah, I think so. No, I do think she'll be back tomorrow. But I mean, devastating, two years for Lucy. Losing in the championship back to back, it's very Buffalo Bills of the Iowa Hawkeyes.

Except they did it four times. I know, imagine if Lucy had to go through this two more times, oh my God. Stu Gotz is getting mad at many of the people who have commentary about Caitlin Clark that's less than positive about her professional chances, the UConn women who are doing analysis, and this is part of what it is that you get.

Caleb Williams is getting it. Everyone who's going to come into a league with expectations is going to have his or her critics. Really what I'm upset about is just criticizing Caitlin in general for what she's done for the game and pointing out, hey, I have more rings. Leave that to me. Leave that to the media. Do you want your game to grow or do you not? No, I did not go to my television set when Brianna Stewart was winning four championships with UConn, but somehow Caitlin Clark got me there for an elite eight

game. She got me there. I am, but she got me there for an elite eight game. She got me and my family there for a semi-final game. She got me and my wife sitting around three o'clock on Sunday afternoon watching a women's college basketball game. She should be applauded for that. And I don't understand. She's been plenty applauded for that. Dawn Staley had to go out of her way because she knows some of the blowback that Caitlin Clark is getting from other players and so she had to go out of her way while she's hoisting the trophy to say thank you to Caitlin

Clark for being one of the goats. I just don't get it. Do you want your sport to grow or not and who cares how it grows or who's the reason that it grows? It grew because of Caitlin Clark. It's going to continue to grow because of what Caitlin Clark did this year. Did you listen to Diana Tarazi's full comments? Let's play them here for Stugat. Right? When the college guys come out, they're waiting for them. I mean, Camilla's coming, Caitlin's coming. There's more than just that that are coming. What will the league have in store for them when they get there?

Look, SVP, reality is coming. There's levels to this thing, and that's just life. We all went through it. Of course. And you see it on the NBA side, and you're going to see it on this where you know you look superhuman playing against 18 year olds but you're going to come with some grown women that have been playing professional basketball for a long time. Not saying that's not going to translate because when you're great at what you do you're just going to get better but there is going to be a transition period where you're going to have to give yourself

some grace as a rookie and you know it might take a little bit longer for some people. Right on. Projecting what she'll be once she gets to the WNBA is different than criticizing her for what she did in college. So I'm getting, I'm not upset at people who are saying hey, she might- But who did that? How many people were doing that? Oh, Brianna, there were a bunch of people saying why is she getting- Brianna Stewart said you have to win a ring to be the GOAT or something, and Brianna Stewart has four championships Oh, yeah, I mean you isn't that your whole take? Well, that's my take and I'm saying leave that take to me Brianna Stewart You don't need to go there. Okay, that's what I'm trying to say

I mean that you're entitled to say it but you should come from me. It should not come from Brianna Stewart her game grew Does she care about the game? From studio she upset about the fact that she's not the one that grew it the way Caitlin Clark did? Perhaps that could be part of what is tinged here is that Caitlin Clark is getting something that no one in the history of the sport has gotten and other players in the sport might consider themselves worthy of that distinction. I just think it's fairly amazing that you feel like you're entitled to the take, but four-time champion Breonna Stewart should stay out of this discussion. I think there's an element of like players don't want to be told that what they did didn't

matter because people weren't paying attention. And I think that Caitlin Clark's rise, we need to put it in context of what is happening right now across all of college sports, which is now players are allowed to make endorsement deals and players are allowed to monetize themselves. And I think her style of play is a huge reason why she's hugely popular and she shoots three-pointers from the logo and they go in and she has the all-time scoring record. Like she's an incredibly exciting player to watch the way that she plays people are mesmerized by but I think there's also an element of like we don't have to like tiptoe around the

fact that she is a moneymaker now. She can actually make that money and it catapults her into a level of stardom that previously players were not able to do because of the dumb NCAA and its dumb rules. I do understand though why any of the people who had less press attention but comparable skills would be in whatever ways they're contaminated, their viewpoint is contaminated by whatever their allegiances are, it can be as simple as you went to Yukon and your coverage is going to be Yukon biased and intensive. I can understand any previous pioneer, a Diana Taurasi looking at how hard they had it,

and maybe not all of them would show great grace in those circumstances seeing that Caitlin Clark has dominated getting the fruits of everybody's labor, right? Because this is the culmination. This moment is the culmination of a lot of work that predates Caitlin Clark before all of this attention got here and some other people might feel like they're entitled to it. And like Caitlin hasn't even like said all, like she's not done anything wrong.

Like she has been very gracious about all of it and like recognizing the past legends and stuff. I think what's very exciting about all of this is that you can tune in and see how Caitlin Clark does in the WNBA in like a month, cause the draft is next week. And guess what? Diana Torazzi's team, the Phoenix Mercury, they're already

marketing their game against the fever as the rookie versus the goat. So this is all great marketing for the W. Diana Tarazi knows what she's doing. And she doesn't care if you call her a hater because that is her whole vibe. And if you're just finding out who she is, go look up some highlights. She's a yeah, she's fun to watch. I hope Clark puts 50 up on her. Don LeBretard. I don Clark puts 50 up on her down libertard Stugats women stay home in the kitchen where they belong. This is the down libertar show with the stugats

None of the stuff that you're accusing her of saying, she said. Did you listen to the clip? Semantics. No, you are projecting a... Semantics. You're projecting something on her that she didn't say. Semantics. I mean, who named Tarassi the goat? Literally, people that have watched her play for 30 years.

Who won? She was in your top five. She was your number three. Brianna Stewart was number one. Who's the goat? Nobody's goat. I'm ready, I am ready to proclaim once and for all that, and I'm thankful that the NFL was able

to eradicate racism once and for all last season. I am ready to say that we've finally reached equality because who's the goat is now a conversation in women's sports. The thing that makes my face numb and makes me just tired of the discussion because I'm still seeing it on sports networks, is it LeBron or is it Michael Jordan? We know it's Jordan now, right?

Yeah. So that's over. Oh, it's not said and done. And also, people were DMing me yesterday, they were like, you said you Goat Talk, blah, blah, blah. Don Staley brought up the Goat Talk, all right? She said Katelyn Clark was one of the goats and we were debating if you can be one of the goats,

so blame Don, not me. She started Goat Talk this week with Katelyn Clark. It is one of the foolproof ways to always discuss sports in a way that's not gonna interest me. I do find it interesting that a hot take, I was watching it in a sports bar where a lot of dudes were super into the game and the Phillies were playing at the same time

and they asked for the Iowa game to have the sound on and I heard a lot of takes in there that, you know, were your basic level hot takes, which is why is she going to go to the WNBA because she matters so much right now in college. And I understand that there's a brand awareness that comes with college that maybe Joe Sports fan who hasn't really been paying attention to W doesn't necessarily need to overcome for college, but she's a bona fide needle mover. Why would you doubt her at this point when Caitlin Clark has done more for women's college basketball in terms of bringing people into the tent than anyone else? Why would you doubt her,

especially a lot of these Joe Sports fans that are just coming around to the phenomenon and pushing it to these new heights by being casual observers of it. You don't think that's gonna be there with the hype train when the goat takes on the rookie? I imagine that's gonna be a really difficult ticket to get. And by the way, where do you go when there's a really difficult to get?

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whatever reason find another price out there that may be lower you alert game time to it and they got your back Jack there you go that's brilliant marketing the goat versus the rook and you're gonna see it throughout the end WNBA I hope Caitlin Clark's gonna continue to be a moneymaker, a great businesswoman for the WNBA and bring nothing but positive marketing. However, it is perfectly fair to wonder and maybe even be a little, just a tiny bit skeptical, how are her talents going to translate in the NBA where she's going against players who are four or five years older, who are veteran professionals, who are more athletic NBA where she's going against players who are four or five years older who are veteran professionals who are more athletic than

what she's been used to facing. You know I read a criticism... South Carolina was pretty athletic. No you're right but again it's on a lower level and and I did read a criticism that Caitlin Clark has a high dribble which in the pros may be susceptible to athletic defenders stealing her. So, you know, it's going to be fascinating to watch. I'm a fan boy. I love Caitlin Clark. I'm going to be fascinated to see how she translates to the WNBA and I hope she kills it. But it's fair to wonder in question until she does. I agree with Greg on everything.

And I also think that building rivalries is a huge part of sports and why I think that this is all great and this is part of what is going to drive eyeballs because now you're going to have the Caitlin Clark doubters versus the Caitlin Clark will be rookie of the year this season and an All-Star and all these things and I think what's great about the way the season is laid out is that there's not great for Caitlin Clark admittedly because she's not going to get an off, is that this all builds towards a draft which happens next week, and then a few weeks later, the season starts and we get to actually

just watch her play again. So I love that this is happening. I think this is awesome. I think just in general, like this is what the sport needs. It needs people to pay attention to the different storylines and the different rivalries and to wonder, you know, how will her game translate in a defensive league where people are going to like in the game on Sunday, Raven Johnson shut her down in the last

three quarters. You only scored 12 points after she had that huge 18 point first quarter and picked her pocket right before the half was able to dribble away and hit a layup to put the Gamecocks up by three going into the half and kind of swing the tides for the rest of the game. Greg, doesn't it stand to reason she's gonna be better in the pros? She's playing with, I realize she's playing against better opponents, but she's playing

with better teammates, the game's more wide open, she's a great shooter, and she's an even better passer. Like to me, that was the most impressive thing about her, about Caitlin Clark, is her vision, her ability to make passes that I've never seen made before like she was great you haven't been watching that's fair I mean you've never seen them made before because this is this is a great moment for women I know I know many women don't see it right there but Stu gots and Greg Cody pulling analysis out of their ass. That's equality folks. Yeah. Thank you.

Look, Caitlin Clark is a one-woman economy. He's like you want more I'll give you more. She's a one-woman economy and she's gonna bring all that to the pros now and the WA, WNBA needs that. I hope that the momentum from women's basketball which now sees the women's final out rating the men's final. I hope that carries over to the WNBA and I think it could largely because of Caitlin Clark and I hope it does. When we're looking at a number of 18.9 million, Jeremy can you put that into some sort of context for me so that I explain to people over the week you kept breaking record ratings from game to game.

The idea that we are now talking about caring enough to argue about the same talking points that we argue about everywhere else is an achievement for this sport that isn't on the magnitude of 18.9 million, but the way that people care, caring enough to argue about this stuff, caring enough to get here and all of a sudden have all sorts of opinions about everything

because the roots of what's happening is you care. This is a moment in women's sports over the course of the last week that I have not seen since the U.S. soccer team did what Brandi Chastain did in order to bring this movement along to the place where you've got a country watching something as appointment television when that television is more fractured than it's ever been. And I'm guessing that on Sundays at three o'clock during the NFL season, there's many an NFL game

that's not getting 18.9 million I don't think I'm wrong about that the big games on Sunday the 4 p.m Games when the Chiefs are playing or the Cowboys are playing those are bigger numbers than 18.9 million But I don't know Jeremy you tell me where all the numbers are in sports that would suggest at 3 o'clock on a Sunday Stuka it's like 3 o'clock on a Sunday that's not the religion, the new religion in this country that is football on Sundays. No, you've gotta go find a television

in what is your weekend, and 3 p.m. Sunday is not any kind of prime time. So it's not just 18.9 million, it's 18.9 million at a crazy time for people to be at their television. The way that the sport is growing it's up two hundred and eighty five percent from two years ago up eighty nine percent in viewership from last year so that's the growth from year over year. It peaked at 24 million viewers it's the most watched basketball game men or women's college or pro since

2019 and excluding football in the, it's the most watched sporting event since 2019. I'm still not watching those stupid ladies. They should be in the kitchen. They can't even dunk except for the ones that have dunked, but I'm ignoring those ones. Small brains. Do I have- They're not funny. Small brains.

They're not funny either. Do I have it right that the average one o'clock football game on a Sunday, the average NFL game on a Sunday might not be doing 18.9 million if it's not one of the big matchup games. Average game was 17.9 million last year. Bigger than the average football games, Dugats. Dugats here from my friends over at Simply Safe. Springtime is all about fresh air,

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