The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: I'm Never Here

Episode Date: October 31, 2024

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We're all fearing it. Mike Ryan is muttering under his breath because he can't seem to miss with his days off this bucket of death. We're only doing it once a week because it had gotten too unruly. I somehow have not yet lost this season. How do you guys feel about a t-shirt,

Get Off Your Lawn, after the Bob Kosta segment? Because- Niche. Yeah, probably, but Get Off Your Lawn is a ridiculously funny way for an old man to object incorrectly to him shouting at you about things that people generally don't want from our show But I will say because I do believe this is a bit of a pressurized week that we're headed into I

Just want people to know that when I talk to Bob Costas there or when we talk to Bob Woodward here a little bit Later in the show an esteemed journalist that whether you agree with what's happening around here or not, I presently live in an America in one respect that is unlike any America I've ever seen. And I know a lot of people will look at the racism in the present climate and just say, where you been, Dan? That's what America's always been. Fine.

I'm not even talking about that. The America for me I've never seen before is what the hell do you mean, mass deportation? Like the place where it is that we ended up getting in trouble with ESPN was on Send Her Back chants. Like as an immigrant show, as in a city that's like built by exiles and foreigners, like what do you mean? Like mass deportation. Well how you gonna go about doing that?

The Daily Show. I could tell ya. Was the Daily Show this past week was actually really, the Monday that Jon Stewart did was really informative. Crushed it. On that front. But you mentioned the merch, Dan. And I have a funny merch story because we have this shirt

that's been really well received by Miami Hurricanes fans. Pro porn Chris? Angel knocked it out with the design. It's a quarterback doing the Heisman pose, but mimicking the Zombieland celebration, which was invented by Western Kentucky. Not trying to take anything away from Western Kentucky. But I ran into a couple people rocking this shirt

at Hard Rock Stadium and I sauntered over to them I'm like hey guys nice shirt where'd you get it thinking that they'd be like hey oh it's Mike Ryan dude well of course we they're like hey are you familiar with a Lebatard show I'm like a little he's like yeah well they came out with a design of my buddy and I we bootlegged it actually we know somebody that works on do you know Tony Tony? He's my brother in law. So here's the story. Tony. No, it's not my fault, Dan. It's not my fault. Let me,

let me paint the picture for you. So my brother in law, Jesse, it's like a big brother to me. Love him. He's awesome. Okay. He's, he's like the character of people. Jesse is that person, right? So it's not back that claim up. It's not a character. Like that is the real thing. So he was sending that picture cause somebody sent in our group chat of angels tweet, like, Hey, go out and get the shirt. It's a cool shirt. It's an awesome shirt. Jesse thought so too. Big Canes fan, obviously. So he's like, I'm going to take this tweet.

I'm going to send it to another buddy of mine and We can get these shirts we can buy this from this link of yes from the link right so there was I guess bad Reception for the guys sake like he couldn't he didn't get the picture so Jesse Screenshotted it and then sent it to him so he sent the picture I guess the the other buddy was like oh, this is sick. Where'd you find this? He's like oh, no, this is part of a link, whatever. So this guy unbeknownst to Jesse again, Jesse's innocent in this unbeknownst to Jesse. This guy takes the screenshot from the text, sends it to a shirt maker, the shirt maker that makes the shirt and then he rush

sales it over to this guy's house. It costs them way more money to do it this way, by the way, than just buying from us. I think the great part about it is what the zoomed in picture still is blurry because he had to zoom in to put it on his shirt. The great part about it is that you swung my opinion entirely. I now say, our people deport them. Like, that's what we do.

We cannot be trusted in this country around the commerce. I cannot tell you how comedically perfect it was to run into two people that bootlegged our own design and then for it to almost be immediately revealed that they're related to Tony. I mean, Tony it's- That's why I pay for things, or I don't pay for things, Dan, I make things happen.

Classic J-Bone. It is- Again, innocent by the way. He was sending the link to buy because he knows that this is an established brand. He knows that he wants to put money in people's pockets. This way- It's a great shirt.

That's what you do when you want to buy a shirt from a link. You just send the link to someone else. He did. And then the other guy, not to name his name, because he's the one that's actually the bootlegger, right? Not to name his name. But he was the one that said Let me send it to another guy and never asked Jesse. Hey, where can we get the shirt? There's a word. There's already a link

It's so Miami and of course there's gonna be a six degrees of Tony Kalaniud's family Right like Kevin Bacon in terms of where this was one degree Yeah, this is not I see I'm gonna say a degree I mean, why have you not been paying attention to the segment because you're buried in your laptop? Sorry, Dan, I'm on Reddit. This show, I mean, we talked so much baseball and politics. When are we gonna do fun stuff again? You said Bob Woodward's coming on?

Yes. What are we doing? It's Halloween. Stugats was right. Where is he, by the way? Stugats just texted me, actually, during Kostas. I'll give you a little more Stugats so that you can is he by the way? Stugatz just texted me actually during Costas. I'll give you a little more Stugatz so that you can get really close to the action here

because he was complaining from the other room about Costas. He writes me, Costas definitely turns the lights off on Halloween and pretends to not be home. And she'll really fell off. The video audience right now is looking at Stu God's doing God Bless Football right now. He's doing the sausage fingers, man. They're all the same size.

He is wearing the same. He laughed. Wow, he's laughing during this. Huh. God Bless Football gonna be in Arizona soon. It does not often jump from city to city. What happened now? Another show? Oh my God. It does not often jump from city to city. What happened now?

Another show? Oh my God. It's hard enough to keep track with the one. Bob Woodward is gonna join us here in a little while. He is a legendary journalist. I want those so badly to still matter. Can you guys give me that sound please as I try to talk just a little more politics of steven a smith

on with uh... hannity because uh... the sports debate went on fox television and steven a smith just indian sports debate number two i know you're not talking about somebody be a lucid and cogent and i'm not sitting at all to a clarity that you're bragging about donald trump we can't be watching the same stuff Oh, that's what you do. I just do that today You know what the grant put it now Senator Lindsey Graham is about to come on this show

I'm a man can I have some I'm not Donald Trump now. I have Okay, I have sat with him for hour after hour after hour topic after topic after topic and he is so dialed in uh he really you know it's funny people try this is like the latest press conference meanwhile steven hit steven hit him with the his classic hand on the chin finger finger crawling up his face looking at you smirking sarcastically at what it is you're saying for a man that is always in a suit if i picture Stephen A, I'm thinking of him in a suit, he's got the track suit on, late night, he's like, you know, do my own thing.

This was surprising to see him in the track suit for a cable news appearance. Why can't we have the same people on every day? Like, so confusing, who's in, who's out? We're going to have Bob Woodward on, I wish he was on every day. I wish I was talking to Bob Woodward every single day. That's the show.

Every day. You want to talk to Bob Woodward every day. 81 year old Bob Woodward every day. Bring your dad in. I want to go to his house and sit next to him and be like, yes, please tell me about Watergate. And tell me what you think about the fact that we have 1, thousand of them every day now

Let's go to the bucket of death Why do they even do this I mean no one even pays off the punishments or anything Let's go to the Jerr wolf. It is reaching into the bucket of the death a very festive Reaper today. I Have the Washington commanders Dan. All right, so the commanders are on the road at the Giants I am for taking that Dan. Okay on the road there shout out the commies his voice is like scratching nails against a chalkboard Why does Jeremy have a mic? Mike Ryan you go ahead and reach in and see what it is that you find Carolina Panthers, I don't I don't care that's going back. Yeah, sorry. They're at home a seven and a half point dog It's a Spencer Rattler and them boys. The Saints!

I think they're under the third quarterback Jake Hayner. That's a crazy spread for Spencer Rattler. Not Jake Hayner I think. Here we go. Say some Hill okay, maybe some gadgets. I got the New York Jets tonight. The Jets tonight are a 1 and 1 half point favorite at home against the Texans.

This Fuentes guy, where did he come from? I don't like him. Mystery crate if you want more Fuentes in your life. Do you want the Jets? No, I'm going to put it back. I'm going to put it back. That's an interesting spread tonight. It was, but.

It's all the injuries of the wide receivers for Houston Do we spam tank down? Oh, I've got the Baltimore Ravens The Ravens Broncos this week are one of the few good picks in here They're nine-point favorite at home against the Bronco if I may Tony you starting to see a little seeds with Bo Nicks I am There's something there Dan. Oh, it's not on my top five I left bonuso My top five I left born to set a top five But the jury was out on him during Tony's tears all of a sudden jury's getting together looking around saying

Somewhere looking at him comparing him to Caleb Williams like who's my kids got something So Lucy just gets to go on vacation every weekend and get drunk with people. That's content Roy, what did you select from the helmet? I have the Atlanta Falcons The Falcons. The Falcons have been playing well. They're at the top of the division. And do they have a buy this week? No, Dallas.

No, they're at home against the Cowboys. They're a three-point favorite at home. I'm going to keep them. Good job, Roy. Roy's always solid. Roy's put back a lot of winners, by the way. I've been kipping tabs on Roy's. He's put the Minnesota Vikings back like three times,

put the Texans back a bunch. I was like, what are we doing? Roy's always solid. Roy, how many times have you lost? four times Why haven't you paid any of the penalties yet? Because I'm never here Right now Chris Cody, it's Halloween. It's Halloween Really, let's think about that denial for a second Roy because I'm never here. It's Halloween today You're not dressed as anything you owe for punishment. I am does that make it out of here. I'm dressed

I'm dressed as somebody who doesn't give a shit about Halloween Broncos going back in I took Broncos at the Ravens Roy yes Halloween failure Never here does not hold it just shit. It's just shit it you owe four penalties the reddit is right that nobody pays their penalties. Why do they still do this? Chris two birds. I got the Cardinals. I'm keeping it's my second pick All right, the Cardinals are one and a half point favorite at home against the Bears Amin is gonna reach in here and he's gonna do

Here come over here Reaper. Let me go first because Amin's very deep in the laptop here is it my turn or am I still golden helmet of life? I don't know. No you're up you're up. Why do we keep platforming Samson? Okay I got the Jets the Jets are one and a half point favored against the Texans. You know what I'm gonna keep going down with the ship huh? I just got a little life in those eyes this thing Drinking cayenne hasn't thrown a 300 yard game since we were at the Cleveland. That's a good stat The dolphins for a mean the dolphins Actually bills

Back the bills. It's unpleasant going right six-point underdog. We haven't talked at all about that game We haven't talked at all about the Manny Diaz revenge game The Buccaneers the Buccaneers are a At the Chiefs, they are an eight and a half point dog Reaper. Please come take these, you know, like he helmets, please an eight and a half point dog. Reaper, please come take these stinky helmets, please. Oh, he's taking them. I'm not a fan anymore.

Get this thing out of here. The bucket of death. Nobody's a fan of it anymore. We really should be paying the penalties. Roy, rare has the excuse been worse than yours on Halloween Day saying I'm never here while owing four penalties. Like that, in terms of epic bullshit,

rarely have we stumbled into it that way, where you're just staring at me saying you're never here on the day everyone in the year everyone in the year associates with costumes and you owe four penalties and I'm staring at you and you're like I'm not here I forget I was Halloween so yeah it's just ridiculous like bullshit you have a daughter you know what a ridiculous excuse you forgot Halloween we don't celebrate at that time who else would forget Halloween wait a minute do you not celebrate Halloween for religious reasons yes oh okay I'm not very religious and it forbids me from dressing up.

Metal art media sounds like an awful place to work. They look at religious persecution as kind of your center pillar. Dressing up is my religion. I really failed on Halloween this year. I am no better than Roy, yelling at Roy about not dressing up for Halloween because the person who sees me dressing up really failed on Halloween this year. I am no better than Roy yelling at Roy about not dressing up for Halloween

because the person who says I'm dressed up as a person who doesn't give a shit about Halloween, everyone hates that person. That is not a good person. That's a Roy's life every day anyway. That is a bad person. I want to, for our critics, who will claim that we are lazier than we've ever been

because Pitch Clock will be a part of the show where you will get genuine baseball expertise if that's what you want instead of us just talking about 90s baseball players. A lot of you accuse us every time we do gen CFB or something like that of being lazy. And I can just simply assure you that these particular people, and me included,

have never worked harder in our lives. There is no laziness going on when you run your own company and you've got to do all your own shit. You may think it seems lazy to Jeremy, hey, do a couple of segments, make it good, can you? Your voice is scratchy and the Redditors are complaining about you, whatever. Whatever they're complaining about.

Whoa. We've got a baseball segment that is going to be stronger than what we'd be doing that would respect baseball and the World Series more than we would be doing it around here. And I'm just simply assuring the audience, I assure you, it is not laziness. There is no one around here being lazy with your show.

I understand that all you wanna show, show, show, make it the show, make it what the show has always been, pitch clock is coming up and it's different from the show it's not as irreverent is this but it has more expertise than the show is going to give you off of that world series when i mean comes in here today and he's like he was ready to celebrate the yankees winning he was ready to be obnoxious new york he doesn't even care about baseball and says poor instead he comes in here today

stupid sport baseball's over. We have not cared about a World Series like this one in a few years, since maybe the Cubs were in the World Series. I'm telling you, this little gauge that I have bowling last night. I'm telling you, I've bowled for three years now, I've never seen people, everyone was watching it, everyone was living and dying, like it was the most,

I at one point just looked around and I was like, this is the most interest that I've seen with baseball anywhere in a long time. And it's all gone now. That's true. Nobody cares. But for the series though, I'm telling you, people were into it.

It might have been able to drag me back if it went seven. I was learning all sorts of great things. I'm like, who's this play-by-play guy? He's good. Me too. How do you feel about the fact that we are sandwiching this little bit of show between Bob Costas and Bob Woodward? When people don't want we got a 70 year old Bob and now we're bringing on an 81 year old Bob

Instead of talking about the World Series because I want to talk I want people to know from a reporter who is hugely credible at a time I think that should still matter what Trump's feelings really are on the military. He's researched it, he's reported it, and he's written a book about it. Here's what I love, right? Bob Woodward, this is something that I learned in 2016. I thought there were certain things

that were unalienable truths. Like if you say a certain thing, like oh, everyone stands on the same side of this. For instance, in 2016, I thought Nazis, clearly we're, everyone's, we all get it, Nazis are bad people, right? And what I learned is like, oh shit, there's like people out there like, ah, doing that.

So Bob Woodward, you're saying this, I'm like, yeah, this guy's a legend, you know? Watergate and all the president's men and all that shit, I'm like, this guy's a hero of, not American journalism, of America, right? We all learned about him in school i'm gonna be just how you do you think

this all god will see i'm waiting for this reaction to what i thought was an on alienable truth that bob woodward is a great great american are there any uh... in any in alienable truth anymore uh... i because i think it's in alienable or is it on alienable which anymore? Because I think it's inalienable, or is it unalienable? Which is it?

Tony? Inalienable. Wait, you made it anal-able, you made it. You made it. Now you're talking. Here it is, ladies and gentlemen. There's your brain. There's the niche pro porn.

I'm sure everybody will be buying those T-shirts. Roy, earlier this week, we interviewed Walsh. You're never here. Yeah, I'm sure everybody will be buying those t-shirts right earlier this week. We interviewed walls and you're never here Yeah, I talked to him about porn you what yeah, you don't even watch our clips No, you think I watch this show when I'm at the house are you really? He hurts my feelings it really isn't a family-friendly show if I might I don't, like if my kids get in the car I turn it off. You're the one that just said two F-coms in the last 10. You're the biggest culprit.

No, because I know the deal. I'm a fan of the show. Well I was, I was a fan of the show. I'd throw it away though. Does it mean anything to anyone in the audience, Bob Woodward? This isn't like an age thing, right? This is like saying, oh, I don't know who Abraham Lincoln is.

Like this is one of the great figures in American history, no? I mean, back when journalism investigations could topple a presidency that was corrupt, yeah. Back when that was something that was a journalistic pride and the truth mattered, yeah, but we're kind of far removed from those days. But Dan, this isn't something of the moment, right?

This isn't something of like, hey, do you remember where you were when Star Wars came out? Like, this is something that is taught in history classes. That's correct. Like, this is, this is American history. It's brave journalism. It's hard to do the kind of journalism this man is associated with, and it's a dying commodity killed by the present times

in a way that is wildly frustrating and heartbreaking to me, and I'm gonna keep putting in front of you right until Tuesday so that you realize whether you like it or not how much it matters to me. I really wanted to take your Manny Diaz bait during the bucket, but since Amin was cosplaying as a Redditor, I did not want to give that criticism life. Hi, I'm Ben Stiller from the Academy Awards

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Blues Clues, Blues Clues. Sit on the chair and think about it. This is the Don Lebathorpe Show with the Stugarts. ["The Stugarts Show Theme"] Journalists will find this awkward, but he isn't somebody who requires introduction, but I'm going to do it anyway. He is right now an associate editor at the Washington Post. He's worked there for more than half a century.

He's got two Pulitzer Prizes that he shared, and his new book, War, is his 16th number one bestseller. On the back of the book, some of the praise that comes in, maybe the best reporter of all time, a great journalist of our time time one of the greatest explainers of how our government works our politics work not the kind of government in politics that were taught about in high school or college and textbooks but how they really work in the reality he is truth's gold standard according to a former executive editor of the new

york times bob woodward is with us thank Thank you, Bob, for making the time. And you. The reason I wanted to have you on is because this is a thoroughly reported book by you, as always, and it is called War. Bob Woodward, as I told you, is an accomplished journalist, historical icon, really.

This book, the reason I wanted to have you on is I just wanted to explain to people because I don't understand it, Trump's seeming disdain for the military as you've reported it. Can you explain to me why it is that a former president of the United States would seem what has, what looks like to me from afar as disdain for the American military? Well because some of the leaders in the military, like General Milley, have denounced Trump and said he's the most dangerous person ever. This General Milley, one of the most respected people in the military in Washington, just

says Donald Trump cannot be trusted and He speaks for lots of people as we know all that list of people who worked with Trump are now Not only saying they're not supporting him. They're saying he shouldn't be on the ballot What was the most surprising of your reporting as someone who I don't imagine gets surprised very often with as much as you've seen? Well, you know, the surprise level is high in all of this, but the key is Trump is such a danger to the country. You know, Trump wants personal loyalty to him, not to the Constitution. But all of the people who serve in the military, serve in senior positions in the government, have to be loyal and wedded to the constitutional order. Trump is not, he disdains it. He, it's all personal.

He wants to be in control of everything. And that's the danger. We have laws, we have the constitution. We have historical tradition. Like when you lose an election, you acknowledge it. 2020, four years ago, Trump still will not acknowledge that he lost 60 court cases. Some of Trump's close associates, like Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina have

said to Trump, you know, forget 2020. You're with all these people who believe we didn't go to the moon or that I, and you are staring down reality. Look, the whole business of reporting we aspire to explaining reality. People in government should explain and deal with reality. You can't be off in this fantasy land. And the idea that Trump has somehow, he really won in 2020, it's absurd. No one believes that, even his associates. But there he is clinging to this giant untruth. Your best pop psychology theory, excuse me, a little bit of, as you look at what is happening

with Donald Trump, does he not understand service? Does he not understand sacrifice? How do you arrive at having an open disdain for people willing to die for the country? What if he he does not understand look we have a constitutional order in this country thank God and as George Washington said the the Constitution is an experiment. America is an experiment. And when you lose, you have to acknowledge that. And he has not, I mean, the things that Trump has done,

he, I'm sorry, I've got notes here because I believe in notes. Trump is a loner. He does not like advice. He doesn't want to hear from somebody else. Doesn't like the truth. You know, and this whole business about 2020 is absolutely contradicted by 60 court cases.

His close associate, Lindsey Graham, the South Carolina Republican senator, tells him, you know, walk away from this. It's not true. What I mean, What I mean, look, we have a constitutional system. When you lose, you need to acknowledge it. And it's so sad. I mean, here Trump is running again in, I think the year is 2024, right? Can't get away from 2020. I mean, he called his associate Lindsey Graham after he'd done one rally and he said, oh, Lindsey, it was great. I only brought up 2020 twice. 2020 is over. It's finished. The courts have said that Trump associates have tried to lead him of this illusion and he will not. And the problem is, Trump has got, I mean, I'm sorry to go to notes because there's so much information

here. My newspaper, The Washington Post, has done amazing reporting to tell the world who Trump is, that he, Trump has got this idea that his instincts, that somehow his instincts can drive the decision, and he summarily dismisses reality time and time again. Mr. Woodward, I'm curious what kind of feedback you've gotten from Trump's own generals. Yes, well, like General Milley, who's chairman of the Joint Chiefs,

worked like that with Trump. He's told me and I've made this public from the book where Milley said to me, said Trump is the most dangerous person, that Trump is a fascist to the core, cannot be trusted with with the presidency. I mean it's it's so vivid and clear all of these people who worked with Trump have stepped away from him completely. He's got look the the problem Trump he just will say things. He has no plan, no order, and he has no team supporting him. Milley's worried about being court-martialed.

What do you expect the Trump revenge tour to look like if he somehow wins this election in 10 days? Well, if... And I say 10 days just because I don't expect it to be done by Tuesday. Well who knows what's going to happen. But what people need to look at, what are the consequences if Trump becomes president again and what he has said to the generals, because if Trump becomes president next January 20th, he will have under law

the power literally to recall retired military officers to service. And he has said, and I reported the book in detail, he has said, I am then going to take these generals who have been independent and denounced me, and I'm going to bring them back to duty, and I'm going to court-martial them. And if a president has that authority, there have been examples in history, but can you imagine Trump taking these respected generals who worked for him, who worked for the country, who worked for the principle of constitutional order, that he's gonna actually try to court-martial them? That's what he's threatened to do.

I think it's the weirdest thing is that he's probably been, or not probably, he has been the most openly disrespectful to the military president that we've had in our history, from calling POWs losers for getting caught from saying I know better than the generals that were in Afghanistan and Iraq so I can get out of the situation and For a guy who would never serve. I mean that makes it doubly disrespectful However this country in this country Military people tend to lean towards the right in terms of in terms of politics

Are you surprised that we haven't gotten any sort of backlash or open defiance from people who would normally vote right but are insulted by some of the things he said? Well, all the people who worked with Trump, they, as I say, have abandoned him and say Trump shouldn't be on the ballot. And one of the things that I report that Trump tried to use the military against the American people during the Black Lives Matter protest, just openly said, oh, I'm going to use them again. A president has incredible authority. You can't use it for personal reasons to settle scores or vengeance. But see, that's the Trump style. It's all about vengeance if he doesn't like people.

And it is, I tell you, George Washington, the founding fathers would be turning over in their graves if they saw this, they saw a president who's gonna use the law and the constitution for personal revenge. But he says it now regularly. He's going to it's payback time. If he becomes president, people, voters need to really think about that.

Do we want a system? Do we want the practice? If Trump is elected and becomes president, let's call all these people who served honorably to the Constitution and law, let's court-martial them for what purpose? To settle a score because they have stood up to Trump. a score because they have stood up to Trump. The name of the book is war. I have a lot more questions but only time for two more. You're reporting and it's weird to me to see a thousand Watergate's now it seems like every week disqualifying things. You're reporting and what you've seen and know to be fact

of Trump's relationship with Putin. do you believe at any other time during your journalistic lifetime that that wouldn't have been disqualifying to any previous president that you have covered? It should be disqualified. First of all, I mean just last week Trump was asked about his relationship with Putin and Trump said, well, I'm not going to talk about that. I will not answer that. But if I had contact with Putin, it would be smart. Now, what does the CIA Director Bill Burns, as I report in my book, Burns says Putin manipulates, he's professionally trained to do that. Putin's,

this is the CIA director, Putin's got. Putin, look, let's understand who Putin is as the leader of Russia which has attacked Ukraine. This is an Hitler of our time. He just said, oh, this country. I mean, I lay it all out in the book. Putin's got this idea that Ukraine doesn't exist. Well, it does exist. So he's invaded just on this absolute fantasy that this country belongs to Russia. Well, the country doesn't belong to Russia.

Thank God for President Biden who has made sure that Ukraine has got support. Actually, the US Congress, billions of dollars so Ukraine can defend itself. If Russia takes over Ukraine, what happens? I've talked to the president of Poland, President Duda, and if you look at the geography, as President Duda must, you've got Russia and then you have Ukraine. If Ukraine falls, if Russia takes over, Duda says to me with pain in his voice said, we're

next. 315 mile border between Ukraine and Poland. And look at history. When Germany from the other side took Poland in 1939, now, as Duda points out, now we're going to get it from the other side. We're going to get it Russia and Ukraine. It is truly one of the most dangerous times. Now things have been done. The Biden administration has been very aggressive and making sure, and actually two countries, Sweden and Finland, were brought into NATO. Very, very important because once you're in NATO, there is an agreement. An attack on one country is an attack on all.

And the new NATO countries, Sweden, particularly Finland, a new 815 mile border with Russia. So if Russia goes to attack Finland, they will have all of NATO and Europe and the United States by agreement, by a treaty that, look, NATO is probably the strongest alliance in world history. And of course, Putin doesn't like that. to see an expansion of NATO. But it has happened and it's something to be in the world of chaos we live in. It's something to take brief comfort in. Last question here for the legend, a real American icon, a historic figure. War is the name of the book and he is one of the Watergate reporters. You find yourself in the middle of the Washington Post as all

around the Washington Post reported 8% of subscribers have canceled, hurting the journalists, not Jeff Bezos, and it's unclear how much your owner Jeff Bezos had to do with the Washington Post not in not making an endorsement this year What is your most honest appraisal of someone who has cared about this business for a long time cares about that newspaper and Finds himself. I love that newspaper. It's an important institution in this country and the rep on the reporting news side They have demonstrated and proven the threat of Trump. It's not some surmise. It is one of the most solid cases that has ever been assembled. And so now this idea that the editorial page is not going to back up the reporters is unacceptable

and sad. Traditionally, go back to Watergate other times when the reporting has stood. Sometimes it's been very controversial and the editorial page and the owners get behind it and say we are one newspaper. Institutions like the Washington Post are strong when they hold their ground together. Yes, we have a news site and an editorial site, but the news side has proven pace. You know, remember the old in geography QED because it's been demonstrated that Trump is this absolute threat and the editorial page should embrace that. And there's been some very vivid walking away from that. The editorial page of the Washington Post

needs to deal with the reality of this threat. Bezos has interfered. Do you think we can say that flatly? Is that being reported? I don't know what is known as fact here well obviously Wrote of his views on this as the owner

he's entitled to that I know Jeff Bezos going back and Like anyone in And like anyone in journalism or business, you have to deal with reality. And the reality is that Trump is this massive threat. We've proven it. Other news organizations have proven it. The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, television, and for the editorial page to take in any form the view, well, we've got some other view. There's one view because the case is so overwhelming, the case just cannot be rationally disputed about.

Bob, the work for 50 plus years has been extraordinary. Thank you for sharing it with us, sir, and sharing your thoughts as well. Thank you. Howdy, loyal audience, it's Mike Ryan, and we're getting down to the nitty gritty of football season. Which means you've probably enjoyed more than a few tailgates, and right by your side at that tailgate is that beautiful white can of Miller Lite. From defending your favorite team after a bad loss, to obsessively checking your fantasy lineups, football fandom is bigger than just Sundays.

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