The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: It's Today? (feat. Tig Notaro)

Episode Date: January 8, 2026

"How do you clean your asshole?" Dan wanted a "bigger and better" breakdown of Ole Miss vs. Miami, so we went and got a guest from Mississippi. Tig Notaro is here to weigh in on Zaslow's airplane conundrum and her total disregard for caring about pop culture. Plus, a breakdown of the Trae Young trade and a new song imploring Stephen Ross to hire John Harbaugh. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Visit medcan.com slash moments to get started. This is the Dan Levatore show with the Stucats podcast. So I told everyone here bigger, bigger. It's a giant game, the University of Miami against Mississippi. Make it all sound and be and feel bigger. Get me guests that make it bigger. And they're like, how about Tignitaro? She's from Mississippi.

And I'm like, okay, that's a start. Mississippi has not been talked enough about here. And she's famously. not pop culture savvy about some things that other people care about. So I'm guessing she doesn't know who we are. She would have no reason to. But I am a big fan of her as a bestselling author, a director, a comedian, an inspiration. My wife is an even bigger fan because she says, this is the most badass woman there's ever been.

She got breast cancer. She got a double mastectomy. And then she did a show topless after that. And Bo Burnham was inspired by it, as well, many people. So, anyway, TIG, big fan, and thank you for being on with us. But do you know anything about sports? Are you proud to be from Mississippi? I don't follow sports, but everybody in my house does.

My wife, my father-in-law, my sons, my three cats, everyone but me. So you're lonely? So you're just, like, is there anyone rooting for Mississippi? Can you tell us anything about Mississippi that would give me the kind of expertise I would need on game day to properly cover this game with Tignitaro. Is that, it's today? Okay. Perfect.

Okay, thank you guys. I'm pleased that you got me from someone from Mississippi. So I guess I should just segue into talking. You should have called my cousins. My one cousin, Donald, he's Ole Miss, and my cousin Jimmy is LSU. So I know that doesn't, I know. No, LSU is not Mississippi, but I'm just telling you. There's a connection because the head coach of Ole Miss left to go to LSU.

So are we going to explain this to her? Yeah, because I don't think she's particularly interested in. I don't want her cousins to be on this. So arguing about whether he was right or wrong to leave Mississippi for LSU. Do you know this whole story, this whole soap opera? Okay. I do know it's happening only because I was in the room when my family was talking about it. but I was also on my way to the airport.

So I have not followed up to see what's going on. Or maybe you guys can tell me I'm dying to know. You mentioned going to the airport. I don't think she is dying to know. I don't think she wants to talk about her tour. I don't think she wants to talk about Mississippi football. She's a stand-up comedian. She travels a lot.

The guest was on right before you said he was on his flight. And the guy across the aisle had his shoes off, no socks, his bare feet, And then there was some bulkhead, bulkhead, feet against the bulkhead. And bad feet, like talons, like talons for feet, the rotten toenails. And so, TIG, I ask you, would you have said something? Because the guess that we had on, he's a big coward. He's a big coward and a fraud and a sucker.

So he didn't say anything. He just sat there and he frowned. Would you say something? Here is the thing is I feel like things have gotten a bit tense in the air these days. So I might slip a note to the flight attendant and be like, could you have this guy slip some cover some sort of something over these uh talons that's good that's good work by her but also putting the uh the flight attendant in jeopardy now making the flight attendant do their job well yes yes dan if you listen to the pilot at the beginning he always says

these are my officers on you listen to them you obey them as they obey me or whatever so my shoes oh so i kind of feel like that's the way to do it now a sucker and a fraud and a coward would just make faces and watch sopranos and then complain the next day on the show instead of doing anything about it so you're saying he's a coward for not saying and a sucker and a fraud he could have brought like a clothes pin to put on his nose uh that's something to travel with and sit there and it sends the message it really sends the message yeah uh Tig how do you feel these days about the grind of touring obviously you love you must love that you must love the creativity the performance, all the great things that the business provides.

How about the touring of it, though? Well, I've actually been on like a two and a half year break. I've been filming this new Star Trek series that actually premieres next week. It's starring Holly Hunter and Paul Giamati is the bad guy. And so I've been in Toronto filming and I've been doing my podcast, the handsome podcast. So I've only been doing a few dates here and there So when I go to Florida next week That's going to be the very beginning of my touring in a few years

So she's coming to the Parker Playhouse I should have said this off the top in Fort Lauderdale January 14th if you want tickets tignation.com for full tour dates and tickets Can you walk us through though not performing for a while and now coming back and the hunger, the hunger about it, and specifically, I'm guessing, the material that the last two and a half years or the last four years have provided for you? Well, you know, I work out my material in Los Angeles at, there's a couple of venues that I'm a regular at. So I go there and I work out the material until I feel like it's at a

comfortable place to take it on the road. And then the thrill of it is, um, getting out of Los Angeles because sometimes you don't really know what the gauge is there. If you're only doing New York or L.A., it's really nice to go into the heart of the country and get everybody else's response. So that's a thrill, too, because I think it's good in Los Angeles. Let's see what Fort Lauderdale has to say. So does this require bravery, though, when you think of it that way? Yes, Los Angeles applauds you.

and your liberal leanings. Yes, Los Angeles loves what you're representing, but will, in this time, Middle America, you feel brave doing that, or you welcome the challenge of that because you believe you should be palatable across the aisle because comedy demands it? Well, I mean, one would hope comedy demands it,

but I'm doing, I'm not doing comedy clubs. I'm doing theater, so people who know who I am all, ready are typically the ones buying the ticket to my show. So it's not a situation where I walk into a room full of people like, who the hell is this? You know, so hopefully, I mean, and even if there are people that are, that wonder who the hell is this, I welcome them and I look forward to hopefully making them laugh. I mean, are you familiar with the work that she did on Funny or Die where she wasn't aware of very much pop culturally, and she would have to sort of figure, they present

someone to her famous, and she couldn't figure out how it is or who it is they were. I would interview a celebrity to try and figure out who they were. But you would be famous. And so can you walk us through? I know it was a while ago, but can you sort of walk us through what it is the conceit was and what kind of the, what was the most memorable of the awkward interactions? Well, it was really funny because the producers would, they'd put together these pages of headshots of different celebrities and they'd ask me who I recognized and anybody I said no to. They would send an email to that person's agent and say, explain the show and see if the person wanted to come on and oftentimes they did.

And so they would show up and I would say, please welcome this person and a celebrity comes out. and then I sit down and I would have to say, I mean, they were all so fun, but Kaylee Cuoco from, Oh, yeah. Big Bang Theory. Yeah, Big Bang Theory. Yeah, Big Bang.

The Priced commercials. Yes, sure. She's wildly unimpressed by these people. That was part of the conceit. It's not that I'm unimpressed. It's that I don't follow pop culture. I follow music and documentaries, and that's kind of what my,

interests are and I miss a lot. So let me ask you this. Yeah. Now, obviously, everything is streaming. The ability to watch stuff without watching commercials is pretty easy. But what did you do before then? Like, before that, did you never watch TV? I did as a child.

I did through the 70s, maybe early 80, very early 80s. Family ties? Family ties. Great show. Family ties. I have to say I was more at good times and Sanford and Son, yeah. Now, you know, not the same. Well, no, I said 70s.

Oh, that's true. That's a good point. Yeah, yeah. But, and then I also dipped into like the Waltons from time to time. That's not the, that's probably the four-year-time. No, it's pathetic. No, your viewing choice there is pathetic, watching the Waltons. You've exposed yourself in front of America.

That's terrible. You were doing fine with what you, the Waltons. Those are two very different Americas on your television that you were watching. You sound like my brother. I used to watch the Walton's to drive him insane. But yeah, so that's how, that's what I did. I played guitar. I played in the woods.

I don't know what to say. Well, no, the reason, I love the conceit for a lot of reasons, but how do you do that in 2026? Is it mentally healthier? Do you find that disconnecting from the silly sugar allows you to live, a more balanced, stable, perspective, free life, because then you don't have to actually pay attention to stupid stuff. Yes, sir.

And that's why I can't emphasize getting an Apple watch enough. I cannot emphasize it enough. To just measure where your heart rate is based on daily things that are causing you anxiety? Is that why you're doing a sponsorship for Apple Watch? I would rather watch my heart rate on my Apple Watch than most pop culture. But I do accidentally take in spores. Because your family is accidentally taking in sports. Because I walk through the room and I go into the kitchen and get some to eat or drink, yes.

January 14th, again, Fort Lauderdale, Parker Playhouse in Fort Lauderdale. It's a great theater, it really is. And she's kicking off her 2026 tour. If you want, Tignation.com is where you go. If you want full tour dates. And if you want tickets as well. Well, thank you, TIG, for being on with us. You mentioned your podcast, Handsome.

It's been interesting watching what's happening with comedy and podcast, stand-up comedy and podcasts. You chose this route as a creative venture when you're careful about where it is. You put your energies. Why? What is it that drew you to handsome? Well, I wanted to kind of push out even more of the noise and the news and the politics, everything that was going on. and I wanted to put together a group of comedians that I had met and very surfacely hung out with

in the scene who I enjoyed talking to. And that's where I came across the idea of doing the show with Fortune Feimster and Mae Martin. And every week we have a celebrity or public figure, send us a question and we answer their question. And then they also answer their own questions. So like Sarah Paulson asks us, can you ever truly forgive anyone? And then, gosh, I won't tell you what Sarah Silverman asked us.

But anyway, so yeah, it's a really fun show. And I just wanted to have lighthearted conversations and kind of push out all the noise once a week. But what is the answer to your question? Can you ever forgive someone? Like, so you're saying aspirationally you want to go to the deepest possible places? Well, I mean, well, some episodes, there are real questions. Like, can you ever truly forgive anyone? And then some questions are what Sarah Silvermas.

Sarah Silverman. You can't do that. Take, you can't do that. Take, you can't do what you just did twice. You're talking around it while giving us the punch. What can I say on the show? You can go ahead. Anything you want. There are no rules here. Okay. So Sarah, Sarah asked us, how do you clean your asshole?

Cut that. Cut that. Okay. Maybe not everything. Tignation.com for full tour dates and tickets. Parker Playhouse, January 14th in Fort Lauderdale. Handsome is the podcast where you can find out how to clean your asshole. Thank you, TIG. We appreciate it. Thank you. All right. All right, kicking things off with Smyranoff, the official vodka sponsor of the NFL and the number of wood vodka in the world. Chris Cody, you're here.

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Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. Don Lebertard. What is the worst part of the life, Stugats? The worst part of the life of the life of. This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. So the Dolphins just cleans their asshole. By firing Mike McDaniel, we segue effortlessly into the next portion of our show. The obvious reports are that this is somewhat Harbaugh-related.

His availability, that the dolphins are clearly interested. They're not saying they're going to get them, but the dolphins are clearly interested by this move. I'll tell you right now, one of these days, I'm going to launch Football Illuminati. Third Eye open all the time on all sports, ladies and gentlemen, all the franchise. For now, there's just basketball Luminati comes out multiple times a week, wherever you get podcasts produced by Anthony Mace. Thank you, no one was asking. The question I wanted to put in front of the group, though, because we've been waiting for this for a while. The dolphins have had a lot of instability here.

This coach was as fine as the last coach, both of them, 500 coaches. very little patience for either of them because Stephen Ross has the perception that he doesn't know what he's doing. He's got a Brian Flores lawsuit on his lap. He hires the half black Mike McDaniel to provide cover over the last four years. He was very good at offense. He will be a very good offensive coordinator for someone else. Everyone gets swept out to see Chris Greer, Mike McDaniel. Two was hanging on collecting money, but he would say he says it's dope. It'd be dope if he can get a fresh start somewhere else. Arugula, please.

And so now everything starts over. And the thing that I wanted to ask you guys from yesterday, and I mean, I'm glad I have you here as sort of a front office examiner of culture making and how hard it is to actually make a culture. Like, everyone talks about this. But being a leader who walks into a room and just takes charge of the dolphins, gets the keys to the entire organization, because his name is Harbaugh, and because honestly, it is kind of crazy that at one point,

these two human beings from the same family played or coached against each other in a Super Bowl. This name is football royalty. It made $17 million a year. Last year, it had the rare instance earlier this week of being fired in a cutthroat business and the media reacting with genuine shock. Couldn't believe someone that's successful

in the cutthroat business of football could be fired. that guy's now available he is among the most coveted leadership people ever made available at a time that a whole bunch of other teams want to get him as well i think it's spectacularly stupid to be in the position of desperation where you think somebody for any amount of money can just come in here and fix this as if that's an easy thing with 25 years of failure and incompetence that you're managing up to because your owner hasn't been competent the question i want to ask you is referencing back to yesterday. When I look at the top 10 coaches in football, and I ask everyone in our audience, what's the difference between number one and number 10? What do you think the Harbaugh advantage is 16 hours a day playing against Tomlin, who's also coaching 16 hours a day? What's it mean when it comes down to a field goal at the end? What's this man actually worth? Because I don't think there's much difference between whatever he is and whatever the 13th best coach in this sport is, whoever you think that is. But they're going to pay him like he's the best there's ever been,

just because everyone's desperate. We're at a desperate leadership time. And I think the dolphins are going to do the stupid thing of just giving all the money and power to one person because he fixes things from one day to the next optically. And Stephen Ross can go back to being a terrible owner who's giving away all the power to Harbaugh. They gave it to Sabin here once.

They gave it to Parcells once. It doesn't really work. It's the same guy at the top. And none of it ends up working because you've got to get a quarterback. You've got to hit on the quarterback. They always get the quarterback wrong. Nobody comes with a quarterback. This guy doesn't come with a quarterback either.

I think so I've been a long proponent of this across all sports I actually had a conversation with my child about this about the literal term church and state do you know what the difference what the separation church and state is about my child is like yes because I said why why is there a separate church or state my kid couldn't answer and I said the reason why is because you don't want anyone to say hey this is the way it's going to be why because God says so

that's what the reason why we have have separation of church and state in real life right in sports terms separation church state is the front office and the coaching staff yes you want them to be on the same page you do not want them to be the same person because inherently there is a conflict there one has to think about long term building long term architecture the other is focused about today and if you give the guy who's got to be focused about today the power of the guy of tomorrow he will make every decision about today, which in turn ends up ruining the flow of the thing. You need a yin and a yang in this.

And so you're right. The dolphins are going to probably do this. They're going to be aggressive, money, whatever it is, but the power is the big thing. But you do that and you put yourself in this situation where there is no separation between church and state and where John Harbaugh will make decisions based on John Harbaugh the coach's desires, not John Harbaugh, the architect. You guys do realize the dolphins just fired somebody that it can be argued is the best head coach they've had in the last 25 years and is responsible for the two most exciting dolphin seasons of this century. Yes.

And they're going to now just turn every, look, the reporting is that they're going to look for a GM as well. But what you do if your dolphins in trying to be enticing, most enticing, because it's not an enticing job. It's not. What's enticing about it? You've got like four players anybody would want. And you're stuck with a quarterback who you can't cut because if you do, that's $99 million. You can cut him. It doesn't matter. You don't have a quarterback and you're paying a quarterback a lot.

It's a giant albatross. Only Denver survived it. They did it with Sean Payton. Denver survived that when they had it in Russell Wilson and they got out from it as fast as they could. You cannot have, look, man, we spend so much time on the math and the measurements. You cannot have a disaster of value at the quarterback position

without any value. Like, it wrecks the Browns, even though they have Miles Garrett. Deshawn Foster wrecks the Browns. There's no way to build it. Sean Watson, that's a fine. DeShon Watson. You understand what I'm saying. It wrecks your franchise to need advantages within the salary cap and have it all tied up.

And someone who's not going to even play. Like, you've got to get it to be Trevor Lawrence if you're going to give it $50 million. And even that. Like Trevor Lawrence, yeah, but like we could be a year and a half away from Trevor Lawrence feeling. That's, this is, this is the, so, Harbaugh stops the noise one day to the next, I mean, from one day to the next to the noise stops for the off season. He takes care of a temporary reprieve from, in the same way that Mike McDaniel, temporarily,

he was like, oh, everyone's like, yeah, we finally did it. It's like, but none of this, and this is why you don't pay a coach $50 million, because at some point, history shows, you're going to want to get out from under this contract, one way or another, regardless of whether there's a salary cap or not, which brings me segue to Trey Young. And Trey Young going to the Washington Wizards and the seemingly change of heart went from Minnesota or Brooklyn to, no, I'll go to Washington. One of the saddest reports ever, before the trade, seeing him come out.

Just across the bottom line, Trey Young says he wants, I mean, of course, that's probably just agents knowing the deal's coming, right? But I just, it made me smile looking like, who's ever requested. to go to Washington. I want to talk with Amin about what happened here just because I thought a four-time All-Star just got sent to an outpost. And I'm not going to say it was confusing, but I assumed it's because he doesn't have a lot of other places that value him. It was a financial decision for everybody, for the Wizards, for Tray Young, for everybody. So, originally, he wanted to go to Minnesota or Brooklyn, right? Brooklyn because it's in New York, Minnesota because it's a team that's on the cusp, right? And, It was relayed that the mutual interest did not exist. And then he doubled back. Actually, Washington, I don't mind watching it. Where Washington about two weeks ago was not on the table for them.

I know now they're coming out. I was like, oh, a long time watching. No, no, no. This is all new. And it's all new because Trey Young is up for an extension. He's got $49.9 million due to him next season. But he can either opt out or opt in or extend right now and have some cost certainty.

to his life. Washington's the only place that's willing to do that. Now, the reason for that is Washington only has like five, excuse me, seven guys under contract next season, which means... It's for next summer, right? They are so under the salary floor

that they're going to be hampered in the things that they're going to be able to do. So having Trey Young's guaranteed money on the books actually helps them continue to run their team, number one, and number two, it's like they're 29th in a 10th? And then there's something that's like the worst that can happen is he's going to make us a little bit more exciting, a little bit more, you know, kind of salacious in the market.

And then number three, and this is huge. The Wizards have the second worst defense in the history of the NBA. If there was any team that could say, yeah, give us Tray Young, it doesn't really matter. Oh, he can't defend. Oh, my God, he can't defend. Neither can we. So bringing him in gives him a chance in improving their offense. And really there's no downside on the defense, man, because they're already awful. Don Lebertard.

It doesn't matter anywhere. We could do it in Buffalo or Baltimore, Eva. You say you could do it where? Anywhere. Oh, whoa. Oh, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy.

He said he could do it anywhere. That's crazy, murder. Murder, tell him. Stugats. I had no idea of me and had that in his locker. That might be his best. That's crazy. I'm not kidding.

That's crazy, killer. It's two America's dead. You don't get it. This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. Well, you say there's no downside in the defensive. And every time I look up, they're giving up 130 points. I don't know how they win a game. It's a slop fest, and Jordan Poole was sent there before this to go rot

because Washington is now and has been for a long time. outpost where salaries just go. It's why C.J. McCollums was the one. Yeah, it's just, as a professional basketball franchise, they have gone from Bradley Beale and John Wall, and you can be exciting for one season, and that's the most successful they've had. Like, The Wizards as a franchise have been an apocalypse

even when they had Michael Jordan. That's always been a bad franchise. Fun fact about the Wizards. Last time they made the conference finals, not the NBA Finals, the conference finals, was when they won the championship in the 70s. Since that championship, they haven't exited the second round of the playoffs. So that's almost 50 years now.

I'd like to examine, actually, if we want to look at historically dreadful franchises, the Washington Wizards are in the conversation. And I've got to be honest. I'm a little bit stunned that I've been able to watch the career of Trey Young go from Oklahoma. Oh, that revolutionizes the game, being able to shoot from out there. Oh, look, that can win at Madison Square Garden and take an Atlanta team further than a Washington. team has gone in the last 50 years to have that have so little value that he has to sadly just go to Washington, where Chris Middleton is, where you just go as a dinosaur to collect paychecks because they're not playing the same professional basketball, everyone else is. I wouldn't say that's what they're doing recently, maybe in the past, yes. Right now, the Wizards over the last like 18 months or so, they're in a cycle of like, just give us stores of value, right?

So we traded Bradley Beal for Chris Paul. We don't want Chris Paul. He's just a store of value. So Chris Paul turns into Jordan Poole. All right, Jordan Poole is young and exciting. Maybe he could be the guy. As soon as they figure out he's not the guy, he becomes what? A trade for C.J. McCollum, who is a store of value.

Same thing. Hey, we'll sign Kyle Kuzma or Kyle Kuzma. Not our guy. Bring him in for Chris Milton. Just a store of value. All they're doing is seeing if we can acquire assets and then taking whatever guy that's a aim in that thing and say, look, you're not actually going to be here that long. If I had said to you, though, I mean, honestly, when Trey Young is bowing in Madison Square

Garden, wrecking the next seasons before they became what they've been recently become, if I told you that can be had for C.J. McCollum in a couple of years, you would have thought that that dissent would have been that precipitous? I don't think it was that much of a dissent. That's the difference. Like, for me, it was, it started on draft night. I was on ESPN on the draft coverage and I was telling everybody, hey, this is a no-brainer. There's one guy in this in this draft who is MVP of a league of men. It's Luca Donchich. He should go number one. No questions to ask. So he doesn't go one. He doesn't go two. Atlanta has three. They trade down to get an extra pick that they use on Cam Reddish, I think. And I said, this is going to be a bad trade,

but the worst part is Trey Young's name is always going to be connected to this dude and that's not his fault. He's a good player, Trey Young. He's not Luca Dantzich. That guy. as a generational talent. And for like two or three years, people in Atlanta really, really held on to that, including some people in Trey Young's camp, they really took offense to me saying that. I'm not saying he's not a great player.

I'm saying he's not that. That thing is something else that we've never seen before. And so as Trey Young's career progressed, the other thing I remember, I talked to Fran Frasilla about this. Everyone was trying to compare him with Steph Curry because he's small and he shoots threes. But like, me and Fran were like,

Well, first of all, Steph is not that small. He's 6'3. And while he was skinny in college, he had a frame that could put on weight as well. No one's saying Steph worst defender in the league. No one says that. No. Trey Young is small and not quick and not athletic, right? And on top of that, the shot selection because of the Steph Curry comparison.

And inefficient. Out of whack. If Fran was talking about this, he said he should have focused on being a point. point guard who can shoot as opposed to Steph Curry, who can also pass better, right? And because of that, it kind of tweaked out his shot profile, and that made for an offense that's very difficult to be sustainable and consistent. We talked about it yesterday when the idea of Trey Young came up, which is this guy is a great passer. Yes. And he should have been primarily focused on that. And when the Hawks went on their run, yes, we remember the big moments, but the best

games that they played were when he was getting everybody else involved, when Kevin Herder was going off. And now Washington seemingly is following that Oklahoma City model. Like, this is the way to rebuild. It's no longer just accumulating picks. It's accumulating depressed assets that might cost a lot of money because, hey, at the next deadline, you can flip that for somebody else. Or, hey, next year, if Janus is still somehow in a Milwaukee Buck's uniform and they're desperate to try to keep him. And Trey Young is in a expiring contract. Maybe they get desperate and they give you some more.

Having those players on top of the picks is clearly the way to build this thing. And this is really the first team we've seen following that exact model that Oklahoma City had, or at least trying to. You know why? The president of basketball operations, Michael Winger, came from Oklahoma City. Will Dawkins, the general manager,

came from Oklahoma City. So, like, these guys they know, they know the saw... It's like the team's trying to do the race thing. But, yes, exactly. But going back to Tray Young, this is a part that, see, This is a weird thing about the NBA. You could say, tell guys or say things about guys to make cops that people will get offended. And you realize years later, that actually would have been a better thing.

I've told the story before about Aaron O'Falo in his pre-draft. We're asking him, like, who do you compare yourself to? And he said, Kobe Bryant. And we're like, okay, everyone wants to be like the best player in the league. But like, no, but who realistically are like, Kobe Bryant? And I'm like, buddy, you're not Kobe Bryant. But I tell you what you can be. You can be a better Raja belt because you're bigger than Raja.

You're more athletic than Raja. And your starting point as a shooter is more advanced than Rogers was when he came in the league. And Aaron Aflalo took such great offense because in his mind, we're calling him a quote-unquote scrub, even though Roger Bell is an all defensive team player, starter on a team that won 60 games, all these things, right? So circle back to Tray Young, I said, he could be a better Mike Conley. And it's just like, oh, how dare you go? But it's like, now you think about it. I was like, Mike Connolly's great.

But if you think you're Steph Curry. And someone says you're Mike Conley. Sounds like an insult. And everybody's been telling you your Steph Curry. Yeah. Like because you were the next guy who physically looked like that playing in college basketball. But the larger point I would make to everyone listening to us, whatever you think the Trey Young career arc was going to be,

and wherever it is he overachieved beyond expectations, four all stars, 25 and 10. And again, conference semifinals, Madison Square Garden, villain for a moment. Half a season, people were wondering what that could be for half a season, and it ends up at the documentary-worthy way station that is the Washington Wizards, where their best team is the one that has guns in the locker room, their best team is Gilbert Arenas, and everything that's happened since then is just spectacular clown show where now they get to reinvent themselves

or tried to with the OKC model of, it doesn't matter who our players are. The only thing we need is future assets. prices on future assets. To be fair, Beal and Wall is the best team they've had in the last 50 years, not Gilbert Arenas and friends. But the other part of that is, Dan, you talk about that. You asked me and I said, I never was that high. I thought that was a outkicking their coverage in terms of that example. And then they came back the next year and they had a slow start. And I'll never forget this. Trey Young said something to the extent of like, oh, you know, we're kind of bored with the regular season. And I said, how dare you? You went to the conference finals, and you're bored with the regular season now? I said, look at those guys in Golden State. They just did this thing like for five years in a row. And you didn't even taste what they tasted, and you're bored of the regular season. And, like, those are the things that were like, yo, they didn't manage their success properly.

And I think that hurt them. The other part of this is, and the reason why, even though I think they should have moved off him earlier and they would have got more, they move all of them now. Do you know why they're moving off of him now? Why finally became like, hey, we don't need this guy anymore. It's because of your boy, Adam McKay's guy. Oh, that's right. Jaylon Johnson.

Yeah, Jaylin, my boy, Adam McKay. He called it. Amin is still referencing that Adam, okay, we've got to find. Chris, you've got to find the video of Amin doing a pilot show with a climate scientist as Adam McKay was breaking down basketball. Let's find that, please, because Amin keeps running. referencing it, and it can't be lost tapes anymore. In order to close some loops here today, can you please get me, Jeremy, the other lyrics to the rubber tree plant song that Greg

Cody was singing earlier. I want to hear how old and ancient a song this is and how it is that I asked you for something that was bigger and bigger and bigger, and you gave me a rubber tree plant song. Next time you're found with your chin on the ground, there are a lot to be learned. There. So look around, just what makes that little old ant Think he'll move that rubber tree plant Anyone knows an ant can't move a rubber tree plant But he's got high hopes He's got high hopes

He's got high apple pie In the sky hopes So anytime you're getting low Instead of letting go Just remember that ant Oops, there goes another rubber tree plant Oops there goes another rubber tree plant Oops, there goes another rubber tree plant.

Apple pie in the sky. Someone's high apple pie in the sky for sure when they wrote that. When I asked you guys to get a moment that meant the hurricanes playing in the biggest game in 20 years, the dolphins have fired their coach. Another season to nowhere ends with another nowhere man being sent off to someplace else. Nowhere man. I mean, I made a Harbaugh song. You want that instead?

Yes, actually. You have high hopes. Yes, I'd like a Harbaugh song instead, yes, please. Pay 50 mil and you'll be done. Higher harbaugh is a dolphin. Higher harbaugh as a dolphin. Maybe a hundred mil just for fun. Higher harbaugh as a dolphin.

Higher harbaugh as a dolphin. Dan says you're at the end of your life, so pay and before it's done. A hundred fifty mill could be right. Higher harbaw is a dolphin. Higher harbaw is a dolphin. Higher harbaugh is a dolphin. Higher harbaugh is a dolphin.

It goes on forever. Higher harbaugh is a dolphin. Higher harbaise a dolphin. I look for it. Dolphin higher harbour as a dolphin I just higher harbour as a dolphin Okay there's an end to I wanted him to just to keep going for the next minute and a half Just repeating over and over

Jeremy do the people at the heat and the marlins know what you do on the side Are they You're just asking this on air no problem just Yeah why this particular part of your side hustle like the songs yes i don't know if the athletes do i sure hope they don't why do you ask i don't i just wonder how that would impact how i could do my job as serious you know court side reporter or what do they call me i'm a man who wears many hats yeah and i'm capable of doing it all do you have like one of those hats stands i don't understand your question i put the hats

on miami's i don't understand your question why are you asking him whether or not people who employ him in the profession of sports know that he's on a giant sport show. Well, it's not about being on the show. No, I'm not about being on the show. It's probably the Green Day impressions. That's what I'm talking about, yeah. Fake pregame show. All right. Bigger.

It needed to be bigger than that. It's petering out here. It's Brogdingnigan. Does anyone else think this is silly with the hard bought thing? Yes. It's silly. I said everything's silly. You wanted to pay him $50 million.

I already missed. Daniel's offense I miss his glasses pay him everything give him all the power so he can just be named harbaugh higher harbaugh is a dolphin higher harbaugh is a dolphin higher harbaugh as a dolphin