The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Jay Glazer's Natural Musk

Episode Date: October 24, 2023

Jay Glazer joins Dan and the crew in LA to discuss his natural musk without cologne, the mental health landmines in being an NFL insider, training with some of the toughest athletes on the planet like Randy Couture and more. Plus, a bevy of NFL topics. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffeine's Network. This is the Dunluba Tarshou with the Stugat's Podcast. Got Lucy here, we've got Mike, and there is a scent in here of excellence that has just entered the room. It's not you. It's just entered the room. Thank you. It's not you. It's not you. A scent of what?

You would agree that Jay Glazer smells nice. I just embraced him. I was happy to see him and I would have expected him to smell like morning workout, but instead he smells like just fresh and invigorated with a clone that seems expensive. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, listen, I know him from the Jersey shore, but don't do that to me. I'm sorry, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

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I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, And people say it's smell a time. I don't work alone. It's just like a little more start riser stuff, maybe a little lavender, I don't know, just, you know, but I just think it's my natural taste. Smells can't be true. This room hasn't smelled this good, this weed. Oh my girl, she'll tell you. It's a lotion. It's just a lotion, but it's just normal lotion.

I just, the way it reacts with my manliness just gives off this beautiful scent. Thank you. Thank you for the food. Define normal lotion. What is normal lotion? Well, I don't know what it is, but I don't know. But is it like, it's not scented at all?

No, it's not. I can smell you for me. I don't know. I think the way it reacts to me, he smells so clean. Yeah, I'm just a beautiful human bit. So clean and that musk is not like you imagine. It's a musk. It's not a musk. It's not a musk. It's not a musk. It's getting stronger. It's not a musk as we do this.

Yeah, no, it's coming out. No, it's just a moisturizer. That's all it is. And not even sunscreen, just moisturizer. You need to start wearing sunscreen. I know, I know, I do. I trust you. Yeah, that I know.

Especially where I live. I mean, I'm here in LA. And I'm bald. So that's not the smartest thing I've ever done. We caught you during a busy time. Thank you for making the time for us. You're like, that's for coming all the way out here just for me. Yeah.

Like, it was really, that's, that's more beautiful than my lotion. We are happy to see you. We're always happy to see you. We talk a lot about your book Unbreakable in the podcast and we will over the course of this hour talk about the stuff that means the most to you. But one of the things I did want to talk to you about before we get to football stuff

is the story in the New Yorker on Shams. And it showed how obsessive-compulsive the information guy has to be. And you and I have talked about where and how the job has made you unhappy. And I think that what you do for a living is a fundamental insanity. Absolutely. I think it's a totally crazy job. Ariel Hawani, who knows how to work,

who works hard, says he doesn't want any part of what your day-to-day existence is because it's a mental health, landmine after landmine, could you have to be chasing everybody all day? Well, and that's also, remember, I was the first one to do it minute by minute.

It was me, Lempask, Rally, John Clayton. I'm sorry to laugh at the very mention of Lempask. But that's what I was happy. I was at CBS SportsLine.com and they were at ESPN.com. And then, and Mort was doing a little bit, but this was 99 when that internet thing first came out, which is, I think it think is gonna take off. And back then, it was like, okay, man,

I've gotta have everything, I've gotta have everything. And if you're in every relationship you've ever had because there was a time I was in a restaurant in New York with a previous relationship. And when those little, before they were Bluetooth, remember you used to be like an earpiece and it came down around. You went to dinner a day?

I was on a date and I had to take a scoop call and I put that in my ear and I leaned it. It was a really good restaurant and I had to like lean in like we were talking sweet nothings to each other and I was talking to some head coach about some scoop or whatever. Do you remember the scoop? I don't remember that.

That'd be great if it was like something. No, I remember the one time he- A lot of time he- No, I remember in the middle of a dinner with Strayhan and somebody else, why not like a real big dinner in the middle. I said, oh, I gotta go. I said, what's up?

I said, man, I just got word that Joe Gibbs can be the new head coach of Washington. And they're like, and Michael literally gets up. He says, hey, I know you're doing this new thing. What are you doing? And I'm like, no, I'm telling you, this is real. He's like, no, no, no, let's not, like, this is crazy. And I'm like, straight, this is what it's like now.

I got to go. And it's like, and I said, I'm telling you, this is real. This is happening. And Joe Gibbs was in racing and part owner of the Atlanta Falcons. And he was just like, like, again, we didn't understand the kind of rules of this game. And I kind of like got up, kind of bang the table. And then like everybody else around the table was just like,

why is he leaving dinner right now? What is he doing? Because again, back then it was like, you waited for the back page of a newspaper. So it just kind of, it becomes your social life, it becomes your everything. But where it changed, and the part of this job is And why now I just I've tried to

Changed the way I you know what my role as my job is because it used to be and you guys knew I used to pick a fight with the SPAN about this all the time It became who could just tweet the fastest and even if you have something It became who could just tweet the fastest. And even if you have something, once you have it, somebody just takes it. Like, you know, last Sunday on the OT, I broke that Justin feels dislocated as dumb. When they just said, oh, it's actually a negative. And I come out with that.

And within two minutes, people just, by the way, I sat on this for two hours, because our OT doesn't come on until, yeah, in my segment doesn't come on, till 458 Pacific. So I sat it up for two hours. So people couldn't have suddenly just had it two minutes after I, it's a crooked, right? It's a crooked. It's a crooked. It's a crooked. It's a crooked. It's a crooked. It's a crooked. It's a crooked. It's a crooked.

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So I like picking the fight with ESPN when they would steal my **** and point it out and say, hey, ESPN, my last name is not spelled sources and do stuff like that. But yeah, I think the business is just become, yeah, it's this, it's, um, you talked about the mental health aspect of it. As, and part of this was my fault for making it a thing of, you know, me verse them and who has what right first and, you know, all this stuff, people started, you know, tweeting at me and Adam and Mort, like, oh, you've got peeped by this by 14 seconds,

but you suck, it was unbelievable. And the crazy thing about me is, as crass as I am, man, my feelings get already easy. So what I start seeing this on Twitter, which I don't follow anymore, or X, whatever it's called. And you just have all this hate from people, man, you know, imagine, you know, I would tell people like when you grew up in a,

you know, in Jersey Shore, you get your ass kicked in the playground or you get bullied wherever, that sucks for a month. Now we're seeing it a thousand times a minute on X or Twitter. Yeah, I don't have the mental health capacity to deal with stuff like that. And your reactions to always to fight all of them.

Correct. It's a trigger for you. Your first thing. And I kept how to do a lot of work to not do that. Like it used to be, man, it was fun. When I went on my fiance the other night, Rosie and her sister were neither identical twins, the Tennyson twins. And we ran into these old bouncers

when I used to go run around, like me and Chuck LaDell and Michael Bisping and Chale Sonnen and we were savages. And these guys, these bouncers, like from my friends spots over here, like Buccibellum and the nice guys. The bouncers would be scared that they're like group of people.

And they were like, oh man, Jay, how you doing? And Rosie's looking like, and they're like, oh man, Jay, how you doing? And Rosie's looking like, and they're like, you don't understand how he used to be. Like I was terrible back in the day. So I've had to do a lot of work to keep that beast in the box and not react that way. As someone that consumes all this media, it seems as though in your articulating it now,

that you made the conscious decision to be like, no, I'm not playing your game. Yeah, and you break news in a unique way in that you just also mentioned that you sat on a story for two hours. It's a point of intelligence. I sat up for two weeks this past Sunday and then sat up at night, had to pull it because I didn't have my third confirmation. Even stuff like that.

Things like that. It's a crazy way to live. I need to reconfirmations because I want to make sure my stuff is right. When the iPhone became what it is and it's all consuming and part of that profile on Shums is he can't ever disconnect. You saw that and you just opted out. Essentially of that game, I'm not going to have this. The great thing was this Fox actually came to me years ago, they're like, you're going

to die if you keep doing this. Wow. Because it was just me versus everybody else. Like again, like ESPN has a team, NFL Network has a team, Fox is me, and that's also my choice. I like to be a lone wolf on this. And they're like, you're a personality on this show, right?

This is what you are and they allowed me to kind of grow in that way too, not just be that insider. I could have stated that, that minute by minute breaking news guy if I want to, but I like the personality and if it also, and because yeah, it was as Tom went on and I saw more and more of it was just, everybody just stealing each other stuff

from and taking credit or the hate you got on social media, I was like, she does not for me. It's not the life I want to live, but it's ruining every relationship and the bigger thing it was. I noticed every time I was at something from my son, and I adopted my son. We made this choice to love each other. Every time I was at something with him,

I'm on the phone. I'm looking at this, looking at this. And I was a soccer game in his one time, and I had to like fill it as a ref. As a ref, I'm on the phone, looking at this. And I was a soccer game his one time. And I had to like fill in it as a ref. As a ref, I'm on the phone, it's a Saturday. And I'm looking at him, stewing stuff. And he's like, Dad, you not be on the phone. The funny part was, is Mike Pereira happened to be there?

I was like, hey Mike, can you jump in here? You're a good ref. You jump in, so I could do my work, but it's my little kid right there. So that really affected me over time to see how much, you know, I was missing stuff with him. If I may, I send people now over to the podcast where he's doing important mental health work

on breakable the book as well. And I wanna talk to you a little more about what this is as an insanity because I admire you and I'm happy for you and I'm proud of you because you have figured out the ways to take care of yourself when this particular competitive game. If people don't know, Jay wanted to be a stand up comic. He was going to, he was hustling at the beginning, fighting his way through the tabloids of New York, breaking stories, sleeping on couches because he hustled his way to the top

of this. Nine grand a year man for 11 years. People, the books call them breakable, but I was broke. So I know it's light to go from broke to unbreakable. Lucy's horrified by that salary. Nine grand a year. 9,450 bucks a year. In New York. In New York. And with also my, my mindset was, hey, I I am gonna go out work every reporter and not by a little by a lot

I will be the last dude standing in here and that's how straight and I got so close He felt bad for me. He drove me back into New York City every single day For seven years. I own like 28 grand the Lincoln tunnel fair But literally I would sit outside like I didn't have enough money to go there. But literally, I would sit outside, like I didn't have enough money to go from take a subway to a bus to China, stayed in back every day. And I just had outworked the world. And it took so long because I wasn't part of that group of reporters. I wasn't able to get to move ahead and advance, but I was trying to get jobs everywhere. It took me 11 years to get my first full-time job in this business. But look what I've

done with it. Thank God. Look at the form we have with it. People don't understand how hard it was for him. I want to talk to him a little bit more about that so that people because I am fascinating by the world of insider. So let's pick that up and then. And there was no insider job then. That's why. Don Lebertard. I got somebody here making fun of me how old you have to be to reference checky green man i went comedically there with the funny name of a comedian that's on you for not knowing who shecky green is no you don't have to know who shecky green is but i i get no no i don't like my allies the bush belt stugatz um i have the soul of a bush belt comedian i should be in the cat skills in 1945 opening for Shea

Kegreen. That's why I was destined to be. DCC Don LeBatars show with this two cats. There are an assortment of football things I want to get to with the lovely smelling Jay Glazer. You guys are strong. It is getting stronger. Mike, I'm getting a little lightheaded. I'm a, I'm, I'm, but from it's like a little little. And it's like release and even stronger. Yes.

Manly about the gym. They talk about a fox and honestly, it's just this lotion I use. I don't believe it. I think it's called, Tata Harper or something like that. I actually actually drop it here so I get a damn deal with them, right?

Yeah. You are somebody. Tata Harper, Tata Harper, I don't know. Who is ridiculously tough. Sound that out. You have been proving your masculinity to people through actual violence and fighting in cages and you're just uncommonly tough. I think people might be surprised given the mask you wore.

I don't stick. You're sensitive. You're both to be false. Yeah. But you're a, they're teeth are so nice. Yeah, they're sensitive. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I feel them get hurt easily, really easily. But that's part of the depression. And you beat up on yourself so much. You also, when you have mental health issues a lot of times, you don't know how to like yourself or love yourself from the inside out. So when you see hate from the outside in, it affects you a lot more. But that's why you put this mask on because you can laugh and joke. But no, I tell my friends too straight out when something with me or something hurt me or something.

Yeah, I, you know, the funny part is with like the fighters and stuff, when we're all training, we don't do with each other. We're all sensitive. We're all fucked up, but we're good with our this. We know it. And like, yeah, we'd be like in the cage and after like, there's me and Randy good tour and Chuck Lidell like crime each other and people kind of walk past the case. I call my ex guys really beat the hell at each other. Like,'re just talking about our feelings like it's we're more sensitive, I think. But yeah, feelings get heard easy, man.

Yeah. I don't. It doesn't make me less. And here's the thing clearly no one's question of my man. So I can't cry. I can't talk about feelings. I can't open up the thing that messed us up for so long is that we didn't talk about it. And then quite frankly, look, I've trained hundreds and hundreds of NFL players and fighters. You know, over the years,

and part of the issue is me telling these guys, don't show it. You hurt, you don't show it. You don't put your hands on your hips. We don't take a stool in between rounds. Don't ever, ever, ever show anybody hurt your tired them. Let's impose our will on them. And now I'm asking people to do the complete opposite in life. You know what I mean? So as men, we're in grain to not show it and not do anything of it. And that's when you start cabing them from the inside out. And now it like, how do you separate now? Okay, do this in sports and business and fighting and football, but in real life, do the complete opposite and really start opening up.

I will tell you this, when I kinda had no choice and I had started opening up about it, it's, man, it's got me so much closer with everybody in my life and in my life. There's other, ancillary people who I think kind of pulled away said, oh man, I don't think we're ready to talk about that.

And that's fine. That's on them. But it's got me a lot closer with this crew. It's certain crews. It's got me a lot closer with. And I value that. They freaked you out. Like they were freaked out by what's wrong with me.

I think I think people just over time like, we don't want to talk about mental health. You know, you want to talk football. And you know, maybe pull the way is a way, look, but maybe not. And that's the other thing too. When you have this stuff, you make up your head. The roommates in your head start having their own conversations with each other. That maybe, you know, this person's upset with you

or that person doesn't want to talk to you. This person wants nothing to do with you. And 90% of the time it's probably them going through their own stuff, but it's really loud in your own head when you go through this stuff. But what did you figure out, Jay this stuff. What did you figure out? Jay, like where did you figure out? I can't play this game exactly the way

that others are playing it anymore. I can't, when people are worried that you're going to die because it's not sustainable to be obsessive-compulsive 20 hours a day, never being able to disconnect from your phone. Yeah, I think when I opened up about it one time to a room full of veterans and athletes, the charity that I found in an MVP and I was like,

wow, man, look how much it's helping and being of service to this group. And the more I talked about it, the more I realized it was of service to people and it helped them. That sounds like this is my route. This is bigger than football. This is bigger than anything.

You know, they talked about, if we could save our life, but man, us talking to each other, it's been a lot more than one. And that for me, it wasn't so much for me. It was more like, I know I could be a service to everybody else by talking about it. So that, it was more of a decision for everybody else, not so much for me to help myself. And I still, the more I, the crazy stuff is, I want to be of service and talk about it, but a lot of times, too, when you talk about it, that becomes your identity and get stuck. I had a conversation with, you know, I'll name drop here for you, but the guy wrote,

you know, my Ford, the rock, and he was like, hey, hold on a second, but the guy wrote my ford, the rock. And he was like, hey, hold on a second, I gotta find something. Keep, continue with the story, but I got it. No, yeah, well, he said, look at me, Louis. Yeah, look at me, Louis is what I'm gonna do. Bam. Yeah. It doesn't quite work.

Yeah, it's not potted up. It's all right. That's okay. No one was expecting that. He was like, hey, do you think your brand is in, is the gray? I have to book him. I said, yeah, I want to show it to you. He's like, hey, do you think your brand is great? I have to book him. I said, yeah, I want to show it to you. He's like, no, no.

Your brand needs to be in the blue. Like, you guys show all of us that there is a way out. That's why you started this. That you went from the gray to the blue. You went from the, and I was really, really, really dark. And when I wrote him breakable, I stopped all my treatments. All therapy, I do IVs, I do, I do a lot of things, I do a lot of supplements. I just stopped all of it so I could be as, as, as a raw and authentic as possible.

And that wasn't good for me. That took me a long time to pull myself out of, but I got myself out. I got myself in the happiest place I ever been now by being of service to people and being able to work on myself. But he's like, I need you to realize that because I think the more I was talking about the depression anxiety, the more I was just living in this world of depression and anxiety. And even then I had to make a conscious decision to say,

okay, that can't be my life and identity. And so now I'm trying to even more so go talk about mental health so I can lead a mental wealth. Like we've got a notches, I want to give it words so we can start having this conversation more and start talking about when we are, you know, hurting inside, but now I want to start giving people these unbreakable habits, like game plans out of it

so we can live in the blue more. Because we deserve it, but it's a harder world to live in the blue than ever before. It's a darker, grayer world than we've ever dealt with. Segwing awkwardly to the sport that you cover that we care about the, which has saved me too. The people who play it are a little bit insane when you've got, you know, Joey Boasa running around out there with a broken toe. Can you please explain to anybody who doesn't understand the physical toll that half a season takes on everyone who's out there. We're watching last night. We're watching a couple of nights ago. The

dolphins play against the Eagles and, you know, the dolphins are a bit broken already halfway through the season. I saw a waddle. Look, I've had, you know, the dolphins are a bit broken already halfway through the season. I saw a bottle, look, I've had, you know, I've ruptured seven discs in my back and I saw a bottle go down, right? And they took them back to, right back and I was like, oh man, it sucks. And I know exactly, I couldn't believe he got back out there. I was like, man, whatever they gave him, send me that shit. And he does have one of these big frames. He's like, man, whatever they gave him, sent me that shit. And he doesn't have one of these big frames.

He's not like that is, that is, that's a gangster move right there. And I've dealt with, I have my first rock rupture, L4L5 and Hanzo Gracie Academy in New York in 2001, I think, or two, something along those lines. I've been in pain since then, so I understood it. But yeah, listen, I tell all these, to get to the level of the NFL, and I tell a lot of retired players,

it's like you playing the NFL is not who you are. What's behind your rib cage? They got you to beat out millions and millions and millions to get to that level and to play with those kind of injuries. That's who you are. And that suddenly doesn't just leave when the uniform comes off, Man, you're different.

So guys like that to be able to go through that paint threshold, to have to go through the mental part of it also, it's just a different level of, you know, I like to say everybody leagues fucked up. And I think anybody to get to a certain level of any, in order to be great, you gotta have some crazy. Right? And- Well, to play that be great, you got to have some crazy.

Right. Well, to play that sport, it seems like you have that. But I think anything. I think the top business leaders, top leaders and anything, you got to have some crazy. We used to run away from the crazy, and I'm trying to get us to embrace it. Oh, but the idea that these football players,

that any of them can be saying, choosing something with those kinds of consequences when getting out of bed, like you admire, you've always found the nobility in these things. You think it's an honor. You've said, I've heard you say it's an honor to be able to play hurt. It's your honor to fight hurt. I wrote about in there instead of, you know, I'll tell guys this all the time. If they had some sort of injury, I said, man, think of how great this will feel if you could, you know, drop 100 yards on somebody at 50%.

And we have a bunch of examples in this book from the Tony Gonzalez's rendez-barbers, Randy Coutures, when they're, you know, in Strayans, when they're 50% or they're hurt and they're like, yeah, I'm still going to play. I'm not going to sit out. I think there is a nobility in that. But like I said, that's nobility in that for sports. Not for the real world. We gotta learn how to separate it.

But that's for separates people, man. When you sit out there and you look at a guy who doesn't miss time for years and years and years, that's different. They are different. And this would be admired. Who do you regard as the toughest you've seen? Randy Couture. Randy Couture had a heart attack in my gym and walked to

theaters on I you know, we don't make her heart attack. What? Grog goes in the gym and Grog's like, man, if I get what that dude has behind my rick cage, I'll be unbreakable. I said, hold that thought. He's it. I'll be unbreakable. I said, hold that thought. He's it. But he was going to fight this, this perfect example. He's going to fight Brock Lesnar and you know, Brock's pre-hounds and something pounds would ever cut. Nine to two sixty five. Randy's forty five or forty six and injured his elbow going into that fight. People don't know this. So he was like two hundred seventeen. Couldn't lift. Couldn't do anything like that. And Randy is a heavyweight champion. Well, he's 45 years of age.

I put in lift while he was prepping for a fight against one of the strongest humans. Yes. Strongest guys ever fought. So I say, bro, why don't we think about pulling out of this one so you could train for? He had his deselbo up. Popped the burst of sack in his elbow, pulled it out and he jumped my shit. He he's like, pull it out, pull it. If I could beat that dude at 50%, think about whether to do for me, even if I could slam him, I'm good with that. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, okay, my bad, my bad, my bad.

But he had a staff infection going to fight against to do one time, couldn't train at all. But back then, that's when you didn't really get paid. And he had an IV pick in for like weeks and weeks and weeks, pulled it out, went and fought this dude, wore him the f*** out with that body language we talked about. Never showed he was tired, never showed he was tired. He just, he was a torrential downpour of violence. I'm not here for this. Nothing. What? And And all and he said, and I haven't tell all our happy weight.

And I haven't tell all these out all our football players has said, I go over to Stools the first time I'm going to really plop down on my stool. I turn around. I see this cat plop down and I just stood there kind of wave smiled last and I broke him. And that fight was over in about 40 seconds in the next round. And it's dude, and we're shot evidence since he told me because he mentioned the guy's like, you've, you've been by telling this story.

I told the export to illustrate. He thought all these years that Randy was not sick, but that he was juicing. It was the other way around. And it's just what you can do. So that's where it is. It defies human lives. Yep, but it's not as a heart attack power.

It's the easiest story that he's shared. It's like a one minute. And I said to him, Hey, ready, please don't die, because then we're gonna have to change the name of the gym to breakable. It's just not a good brand. More stories next.

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Number eight. He got three. His Chris Carter on the line. He's he's he's he done. Limita show with this two got pretty wild. Sorry about Randy Couture and Dan. Is your grief eating satiated because there's been a lot of yes, let's let's bang through some football. I'm sorry. I hijacked him. All right. So over the last week, there were all sorts of stories out there that, hey, Bill Belichek isn't super safe in New England. And they would, they would absolutely, if this season continues to slide, consider letting

Bill Belichek go. And then he has a monster win in Buffalo. How real is all of that? Is there a future? That's real. If there is a future in New England, even if they continue to slide, that doesn't have Bill Belichek in the next season. I could see that doesn't have Bill Bellachek in index season. I could see that.

Yeah. This is certainly, look, Philadelphia, right, dinner with Andy Ried, they're like, that's time to move on. You know, Andy, obviously, you know, got to still coach. Sometimes you just need to change a scene. It worked out for both. Yeah. It worked out.

Yeah. Sometimes you just need to change a scene where I can see that with Bill also. I don't think that you, that Mr. Crafters will sit there and say, how much is given carte blanche forever if we continue to unravel. I think that a lot of their personal decisions weren't very good. And they haven't built.

So at one point you have to say, okay, we're just gonna keep going. Here's the other thing. They have now given themselves such a level of excellence to live up to. They're not really a real rebuilding mode kind of team. Wasn't it just reported though that he signed a long-term extension? Yeah.

This is the last offseason. Yeah, but it doesn't mean you still get rid of somebody that you can be a bi, I think it's still okay. We'll pay. It could also be like, hey, that's how we're going to reward him. He might also said, I want this stability right now. You know, he wouldn't be out of work very long, would he? So, you know, it's interesting.

I don't know the answer to that. I think the coaching, I was just talking to another head coach about this yesterday. I think the coaching landscape has changed. And what I mean by that is, look, you would have thought Sean Payton had 30 suitors years ago, right? And now I think,

when I had 30 suitors years ago, right? And now I think that the coaching, you're kind of looking at people wanting to bring in people where you're gonna enjoy going to work every day and saying, like, just places that, I think even the owner's like, hey, I just wanna go on and just, I don't want it to be like this. Like the old school kind of way of coaching, I don't know how much of resonating with today's

athlete. You just can't beat on guys. This is what I'm saying. Wow, but you're not even talking about like the scheming youngsters who are coming into the game and you can have them cheaper than Sean, Peyton, Discipline guy. You're talking about people who connect better with just workplace, young people who want to enjoy playing. But this is why, look, a Mike Daniel, Dan Campbell and Tamiko Rines, what he's doing down

there. I think it's, you know, it's a lot in the shaman phase. It changes a lot. I think nowadays more than ever, players, a, you can't beat them down because we just talked about the mental health part. They're seeing so much hate all the time. They don't want to go to work and get beat on and hate it on all the time. You so you got to talk to people differently. I've noticed with our athletes that they're unbreakable, we got to, you know, it's like, I was told, but actually, Katoor said to me, don't tell him anymore where you don't want, only tell him what you want.

Kind of can't, a lot of guys don't resonate with that anymore, where you don't want. You can't just be telling guys, like, holy f**k, how the f**k can you not understand this? You just, you know what I'm saying? You used to do it. Now it's like, hey, hey, hey, I just want you to do this. Don't, don't drop your hand.

Just keep your hands up. Is it coming naturally to you? No, you do know. No, more gentle? No, no. And I got so frustrated, man. And so no, and it doesn't come naturally to me. But I think that, you know, and I said this in Dan Campbell, I said, well, guys love you

because they're seeing so much hate, but they're also seeing so much that's not authentic out there. So they're looking for authenticity, but they're also looking for connections now more than I think they ever have. So I just think things are just changing. I think that that old-world school of coaching isn't gonna work so much, or if you looked at it, brought in so much anymore

as it was in the past. Cause years ago, we would have said 31 of the teams would be lining up for Bill Bellercheck whatever they have to, or is Sean Payton or Bill Partsell's back in there, or something like that, right? So I just think it's, I just think it's kind of changed.

I don't think there would be, I don't think there would be, I think ever. I don't think there would be. I think they're I don't. I don't. Yeah, I don't think there would be, which is crazy to say. But I just think the cultures have changed. The Broncos have a good old-fashioned headhunter in their secondary career. Yeah.

Jackson has been fine. Five different games has been ejected from two games. He's 14 years in the league, Jay, and this guy is rebelling against people who are saying it's flag football. He's just, he has come a hundred thousand dollars in fines. They're going to eventually suspend him, right? Because he's just head hunting. Yeah. No, they're going to have to, obviously, but yeah, that's when, you know, as a coach, too, look, it's hard. Some certain guys say, okay, I want to get coached. I'm going to change the way I do it.

But also, you got to understand, a lot of these guys go out there, and they just click over. You got to find that other guy, whether you're walking down to taking three steps into cage, or you're walking on a baseball domino, or you're going to hockey rink, or basketball court, or down that tunnel, you got to find that other guy. And sometimes, finding that other guy,

it's still that other guy. Like, you can't change it. You don't have the ability to change it. And it's just, you're talking about men, generally. Yeah, it's just, but it's just, no, so some guys are able to, okay, I can't do this anymore. I've got to change the way I do things. I have to lower my levels more. I have to do this.

I have to do that. You know, you've got to change certain things. And some guys are able to do it. and some guys are able to do it. Some guys aren't able to do it. I'm curious as to why in watching football recently, they brought in a new offensive coordinator. Their coach, their head coach was considered on the hot seat entering this year. There's a lot in terms of the working parts there that would suggest, especially with a good hot shot quarterback in the chargers that they were a team that would be on the rise, but it seems as though

they as a franchise and the quarterback most importantly are starting to backslide a little bit. What is going on in Los Angeles? And is this a place where you have a newer school head coach where an older school mentality, because Bill Beller checked a lot of people have been saying if he becomes available, that would be a landing spot. Is it the culture?

I don't know about that one. Is it the culture with the charges? What is the issue with the Los Angeles charge? That's a good question, because I'm trying to figure that one out also, because I also, I was out on the charges, really hot. And especially Herbert also, but you just have to look and say, okay,

there's a new offensive coordinator working with the quarterback, why is he not jelling? You gotta look at that. That's who's coaching him. So I've kind of been confused about that one also, because listen, Keenan Allen's probably most underrated receiver in this league.

Man, Austin Eccler phenomenal. I also thought it was gonna be a lot more growth. And Justin Herbert is that is who you want. Like he is, what you see is what you get in more so. It's obvious that anyone seeing him drop back to pass as a statue. You're like, that's what a quarterback ought to look like. It should win more than that. So you're going to blame everyone else other than him.

Jamal Adams, I want to understand what's happening here. Multiple times this season, he is now of jostled or wrestled concussion doctors and yelled profanities at them. And now I miss one Sunday. I think this is the second time that this has happened. sold or wrestled concussion doctors and yelled profanities at them. And I miss one that Sunday. I think this is, is this the second time that this has happened? I didn't know about the Sunday, did it happen Sunday? Yes.

No, I think he just got fined for the first one. Okay, I thought it had happened multiple times. Well, he only played in one game and happened there. But I also, even that, yeah, when you get concussed, yeah, a lot of times you don't know what you're doing. You know what you're saying? You know, it's like, man, I was cornering a guy one time, named Frank Trigg and a fight in Vegas for pride.

He got ding. We're, he's finding guy named Masaki. We went back to the locker room and we were there for about 10 or 15 minutes, we were cheering the locker room with Nick DS and we were there for like 15 minutes, so all of a sudden, Franco's, what happened? That's what we mean. He's like, what happened?

Do we win? He said, yeah, you win. He said, how? It's a decision. He's like, okay, good. And no idea. He got, we saw that recent Fract Johnny Walker.

Yeah, he had, well, that was it. But he had, no, no, but he had fought the rest of the fight. Oh my God. And the interview, gone back to the locker room, but he had fought the rest of the fight. Oh my God. And the interview, gone back to the locker room, then snapped out of it and was like, oh, what happened? Had no idea what had happened that he won the fight. So a lot of time, listen, you know, for God, like my Adams, that giant came, he was dinged.

Yeah. I don't know if he knew what he was doing or not. I know he is very passionate, but I can see a guy, you know, when you're not of right mind, doing or saying something. That's what I'm saying, yeah, I mean, he accepted his, his explanation. But then they, but then they find them. $50,000, which, which I understand because you have, I didn't, I don't think I agree with that because okay, he's can cost you kind of not of right mind there, but I understand also the like, hey, we have to make, we have to set a precedent to make sure that these

other neurologists aren't threatened with bodily harm. So that part, I guess, I can't. Yeah, because it only makes a difficult job, more difficult than considering what was in the news stream last year with two of where you have these spotters, all of a sudden under scrutiny. Now the threat of physical violence from Jamal Adams makes it a little bit more difficult to be an impartial neurologist. It would be some pressure that you don't want in your life.

I don't think though, Jay, that people generally understand the amount of pressure, all of these human beings are under, because it's not just the physical toll of what it is that you're talking about halfway through a season when you're giving your body a disposable body to a cause and you're limping around trying to get to five and two or four and three. I don't think people understand the suffering that is our entertainment on Sunday. But it's the physical suffering and I go back to the mental suffering too where these guys are going right to their locker,

they're pulling out their phone, they're seeing what stuff is said about them, it's affecting the way they're doing things also and it's messing with them more than they ever had. Back in the day, it was just like, hey, we got our team here. You didn't really see it if they decided not to read the newspaper, they didn't read it in your own cocoon. You don't have that

cocoon anymore. And we've seen all emotional, they're all emotional. What do you make of that at the quarterback position? Because Lamar Jackson got involved on social media more than ever. I know you made some news last year when you were, you were saying how much honor there is in playing hurt. And you made a little bit of news and what was seemed like a criticism where he wasn't playing throughout injury because he had this big contract waiting for him. What do you make of that personality type, engaging in social media at that position? Yeah, no, I always tell guys, like, get off the thing, stop it or hire somebody else to

do it. Just don't do it because it messes with your head. But you know what? Some guys, I guess, feed into it. Lamar feeds into it and it fuels them. And look, there are certain guys that have the Jordan thing, like my home, he looks for things to be pissed off about with that other team. He searches things that may not be there. And Lamar Jackson obviously has some of that in them also, right? And he starts engaging with people. And look, I used to like to fight back and forth with people

also, and then it just became ridiculous. And also it became too much here. It's super interesting what you're saying, though, Jay, the idea that these organizations that have traditionally been run by tyrants, discipline mongers, military types, that they have to get softer in order to reach young players. I didn't say, no, no, no, let's not say softer Yeah, I don't know. There's nothing soft about a Dan Campbell or Nick Seriani or Shobbuk, Vayer, you know, it's not not at all

Or Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin loves these cats up That's what that's what's not the soft Or not so Stimically, I'm not so ready something for your book. I'm breakable. Yeah, I think so Wow, he ringing endorsement. But not softer. What did he write? Is he a master of some, Jake laser is much more than an NFL insider.

You see on television every Sunday. He's a confidant. You have such great relationships, Jay. What did he say? You just asked him as if you don't know? No, I don't. I don't know if you ever know. No, I mean, like when I came out.

He calls your story one of inspiration and perseverance. Also, how the f**k is he winning all these football games? I know, like when I came out, he calls your story one of inspiration and perseverance. Also, how the f**k is he winning all these football games? It's a team sting. It's incredible. It's absolutely incredible. It's so funny too. I told somebody else the other day, like, hey, man, don't ever trade with Mike T. Because his players look like choir boys.

And then they leave and you'll find out, what the f**k? Like, just do they really are. I'm so never do business with him. I don't think they're a good team. I don't understand it, but they're winning all these games. Actually, I went and I saw them at the hotel. We came to LA this week and we actually want to fight together. Uh, the USW fight to get him.

And it's just he's he's he's but he's just so I'm known to use a DB coach. He doesn't blame. He's the same dude doesn't blame since he was a DB coach. He's never changed and we talked about the authenticity. You know who you're getting, but he loves these cats up and that's what they need softer. Yeah. He's no apologies.

Soft Mike. No, I don't. I don't know. And also he's a wizard of some sort. There's just no reason. It's a source. It's a source for his dude. He's never losing season.

And every time somebody leaves there, you find out, you know, what kind of words there are, like he should, he should get like, he should get an Emmy and Nobel Peace Prize and then get an award. It's ridiculous. He's the greatest idiot, but he's also, again, like, I lean into people now,

when I first started opening up to people about my issues, he was one of the first people I opened up to who understood and got it. And he seems like one of the toughest head coaches. He's a soft guy. So I got you. So I'm soft. I'm voting you. Gentle, the coating.

Warm. He and I would both say you're a stiff. It's not pejorative. It's not pejorative. No. But he is a one of the first. I got you back. Like I got you.

Well, I brave Jay. I'm sure it's chronicle than unbreakable. Thank you, Jay. I got your back, like I got you. What I'm afraid of Jay, I'm sure is chronicle than I'm breakable. Thank you, Jay.