The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Hour 2: Jon Gruden Is Feelin Nicey (Feat. The Underdogs)

Episode Date: December 12, 2024

Jordan Brenner and Steven Keating of The Underdogs Podcast join the show to bring their expertise in a way only they can, with an upside down zoom camera and muted microphones. Has the clock run out on Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals? Are the Kansas City Chiefs a mirage or can they get away with it because they have Patrick Mahomes? Will they pick even one singular bowl game this season? Also, David Samson reveals he once did their show alone. Then, it's time for the return of Juju Gotti to Thursday Thunder. Plus, Trae Young taunting the New York Knicks, Francis Ford Coppola's Megalopolis was a total flop, Adam Driver cannot drive a movie and Jon Gruden's inside out polo. What was going on there? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Some of it's sideways. The rest of it is straight up. They give you underdogs wherever it is that you get your betting information. It's not as good as these guys. They do all the math, they're not great at Zoom, but math, iPhone's a problem, Zoom's not great, but Jordan Brenner, keep it like that. No, please, I prefer, yeah.

Yeah, there we go. That's a winner. Keep it like it's better. Keep it sideways, come in if you're straight. I don't know which one is under which one is dog I do know that one of them is now be sideways sideways. Yeah, can you I've been trying to get Peter turned around for a long time So I'm really excited that this is happening All right

Now I will tell everybody who's listening to this that if if you listen to God bless football Billy Gill is 41 and 17 and it's an amazing betting streak here but these guys are really good at it they host the underdogs podcast on the draft kings network and they are diving deep into the numbers in a way that makes me a bit crazy because they're looking for winning in all sorts of margins and it it sort of makes me uncomfortable how obsessive they have to be about looking for even the smallest trends but you guys are in the information business and so jordan i will ask you headed into this postseason mike ryan is making a ton of futures bets on forty niners rams

and he's just looking at the bangles and saying one of these teams can get hot and beat everybody do you uh... either of you like that as a value proposition on an underdog bet? No, because to win in the postseason, first you have to get into the postseason and the odds of any of those teams even playing a playoff game are so low that I would rather light hundred dollar bills on fire.

Okay, so Mike, you thought you had something there and. Just need one of them to get hot. One of them to get hot I will get hot I might the Bengals are five and eight five and eight is still alive. They're still alive a lot of one score unlucky Situations there for this if you want to talk about Unlucky teens. Yeah, dolphins are a better bet. Yeah, well, they're not my they're not my dolphins But I guess there's a lot of positive vibes over here for the Miami Dolphins. And maybe you can get into that

because I like them to possibly lose to the San Francisco 49ers in the Super Bowl. Peter? I'll tell you what, if it's dolphins 49ers in the Super Bowl, I will fly you there and feed you. That's all you'll do. Sideways Peter, it seems like Jordan is really hogging the ball right now.

You're trying to get in here, but he won't let you in. Look, you're right about us being obsessive. I'm so obsessed that I don't even worry about technology. All I care about is underdog bets. Look, yes, the Bengals are likely to get hot next year. I mean, one of the things we talk about a lot is teams that are fortunate and unfortunate. And yeah, the Bengals have had terrible luck,

but the clock has run out on them. And yeah, the Bengals have had terrible luck, but the clock has run out on them. I mean, come on. Yes, the Bengals are a great bet to rebound next year because teams that fail to live up their record, fail to live up to their underlying stats, usually do a lot better and vice versa. The worst thing a team can do or its fans or its people betting on it is take a team that's fortunate or lucky and assume that that's going to last. It doesn't last. The stupidest thing people say in life and sports is, I'd rather be lucky than good. Really? No, you wouldn't. I mean luck is by definition a surprise. It doesn't sustain. It doesn't last. It's ephemeral. Talent wins

out over the long term. So if you find underdogs that are better than they look, those are the ones to bet on. Dolphins are a good example. The Bengals would be a good example, but they just lost too many unfortunate games for too long. Do me a favor, please. Put him upside down. Put Peter Keating upside down

so I can enjoy all of his analysis upside down. Jordan Brenner, I wanna talk to him the normal way, straight up, and I wanna bounce between the two of you. Are you believing in the Vikings? Oh great, so that's a great point and it speaks to what we were saying about luck. So two years ago they won an incredible number of one-score games. It was unsustainable and we said going into the playoffs they're a ripe chance for an upset. They lose to the Giants. By the way, Giants speak to what Peter's saying about don't confuse lucky with good we see where they are after assuming oh we're a little further ahead in the rebuild than we thought but

last year this year we said okay the Vikings they didn't regress to the mean last year they regressed way past the mean so they were actually one of our preseason overpicks all up here explain why but yes we believe in them uh... look they were out for about only eighteen points last year but they were seven and ten also we talk about what can also talk about things that under great underdogs have in common is they play high-risk high-reward they take a lot of chances for benefits

they take crazy shots. We started, you know, we take crazy, you know, punchers chance. You know, when you hear about somebody with a puncher's chance, the reason Mike Tyson's – anyone thought Mike Tyson had a chance of winning at the age of 58 in his last fight because he could still kill somebody with one punch. You can kill somebody with one punch, you're going to be a good underdog. A version of that crazy chance taking is if you lose your quarterback but you have somebody who might really be good, that's an underdog to keep an eye on. That's something

that happened with the Vikings. Look, there's all kinds of luck teams bounce back from. I mean, the Dolphins, when the Dolphins were two and six and all the rest of these crappy teams had two wins, we said keep an eye on them. It wasn't just, right, it wasn't just ups that they were upside down like me. It was that they had bad injury luck. Teams were beating them on 60-yard field goals. Their pressures weren't turning into sacks. They were due to bounce back in all kinds of ways. Look, these guys have chemistry. You should listen to underdogs on the DraftKings network. They do have chemistry. I don't know how long you guys have been working together, but I don't think that Peter can be made happier by anything in the present media sphere than you

giving serious analysis upside down. He is radiant right now watching you give your serious underdog analysis while... Look at him. Look at him. Well. That's because when I nod, what he likes is when I nod, yes or no, and it doesn't matter if you're upside down. All I am is his yes man, if I'm nodding, it still looks like I'm saying yes, even if I'm pointed the wrong way. Dan, the answer for how long we've been working together is to remember that little cartoon drawing of you

in ESPN the magazine, that's how long we've been working together. It's too long is the answer. What's interesting in the upside down background, we keep spinning it around and it just makes the frame picture of Odell Beckham Jr's catch look more routine. And it actually was. There it is.

One handed for you, there it is. This upside down interview is presented by Masterclass. Learn from the best to become your best. You guys dive deep into the numbers. So the Kansas City Chiefs are what kind of mirage? Oh, come on. This one. It's not an insult to Patrick Mahomes or Travis Kelsey to point out that they win by like point six tenths of a point per game.

I mean, Dan, you know this, you talk about this, how people search for meaning in everything in life and have to attribute things to people, to players, characters, or there has to be a reason. There doesn't have to be a reason. They're lucky. They've won a bunch of games by close margins. Okay, but that's just not gonna last.

They're likely to get hit in the face pretty bad by a really good team in the playoffs. I mean, that's just not going to last. They're likely to get hit in the face pretty bad by a really good team in the playoffs. I mean, that's my opinion. We have to stop saying, well, they're clutch, or we have to stop saying there's a conspiracy to make them win. What they're doing is not sustainable. I agree. Look, they've outscored teams by 56 points and they're 12 and 1.

The Detroit Lions have outscored teams by 183 points and they're 12 and 1. Those two things are not equal. And yeah, if you're looking for an underdog shot in the playoffs maybe pick against the Chiefs in their first game. I'm with you. 12 and 1 and 12 and 1 are exactly equal. That sounds like some Miami Marlins logic there, David. Come on. It feels like a pot shot. All right, one of my agendas on this show has been the entire college football season saying the the ACC is underrated. And I look at these lines in the college football playoff

and I see some value there. Is this just confirmation that the ACC is not that good or can there be some winning here with these ACC teams? We like SMU as a feisty underdog more than Clemson for a variety of reasons, but largely starting with sort of the unpredictable outcome style of play. Look, we've been studying,

we cut our teeth on college basketball upsets, right? And like Peter mentioned, one of the things you look for is teams that have bouncy results, that play high risk, high reward strategies, that don't do conventional things. And we're seeing some of that in SMU, right Peter? Peter, he's gone.

Upside down Peter left. Oh my God, I finally got rid of him. Okay, Jordan, can you help me look? Can you go upside down? This makes David Sampson a little bit crazy, okay? And you help me walk David Sampson through this because he's very much about order, about being on time and everything else.

For your friend to arrive here upside down and then disconnect because he doesn't know how to use his technology is making David Sampson a little bit crazy. See, it's making me incredibly happy because when he can't figure out, and I call him grandpa when various technology things are happening, like now it's happening on the big stage

and I'm sharing all my frustration on a weekly basis with you guys. You have no idea the joy this is bringing me right now. I did their show and he couldn't even show up. I had to do it alone because- Wait, you did their show alone? Yes, because there was a technology issue. I like him just doing underdogs. Hey, David Samson, it's underdogs. It is so great.

I want this to become the biggest gambling podcast in America with somebody giving you great information. They just don't know how to do it right side up. They keep it to themselves. All the underdogs, all the best information kept to themselves. These guys actually give you very good numerical logic. It feels almost empirical what they're doing. They're finding value in mining a bunch of numbers for gold.

So I don't know if you're doing basketball. You mentioned SMU is an underdog. What is the greatest value in sports this week? What are some of the places you got? Well, if I had Peter showing up right side up, he's ready. Go ahead, Peter. Plus 1,000.

And no. Man, look, I think you mentioned the college football playoff. What's interesting is all those spreads are a touchdown or more, right? So you're getting value in any of them. The problem is the way the system is set up right now, it is not exactly good to be an underdog right now. We're seeing this incredible lack of balance

between the conferences, and it's just setting us up to a situation where I don't really like any of the four teams, but we always say in the NCAA tournament, if you like the 12 seed to beat the five seed, we'll take them to beat the four in the next round too. So you've got the situations now where a team like SMU, if they win their first game, well then okay,

might as well take them to beat Boise State, right? And suddenly they're in the semifinals. So there's your value, taking them, I can't even look at this straight. I can't. I can't tell if he's upset because his frown is upside down. Jessica, you say that bowl season starts Saturday. Surely you want some gambling advice from these men.

I mean, if I needed it, which I don't, but hypothetically if I needed it, because I wasn't already a bowl season expert, Dan, what do you make of trying to put bets on bowl season when there are dozens of opt-outs of every game, coaches changing minute by minute and sort of like the incentive to winning the games has slightly diminished since the playoffs started.

Yeah, look, I'm not a tout and we're not specifically a gambling show, right? We talk about why unlikely things happen in sports. Gambling is a piece of that. I do not bet on college. For every reason you just said, Jessica, I do not bet on college. For every reason you just said, Jessica, I do not bet on college football ballgames, which I look is basically glorified exhibitions at this point.

So no, will I bet on the Tony Awards? Perhaps, but not that. Are you guys doing the Oscar show? You and Edmund Burke, are you doing the Oscar show again? It's under negotiation. Okay, Jordan Brenner and- It's one of my favorite things when you try to do that on the air naturally.

Jordan Brenner and Peter Keating are the underdogs and David Sampson is in negotiations with Adnan Virk. We are gonna do it. There I said it, Dan Luttard. You got it out of him. That's aggressive. Thank you, I appreciate that. When you said Tony Awards, I almost looked at Tony

and was like, oh- We are doing a Tony show live for the Tony Awards. Yeah, we could do that. You should do a Tony Award, you should do said Tony Awards, I almost looked at Tony and was like, oh. We are doing a Tony show live for the Tony Awards. Yeah, we could do that. You should do a Tony, you should do the Tony Awards and then just make it different ridiculous awards. This isn't about us though, this is about the underdogs. We did a Tony show, it was fantastic. Give me one bowl game that I can bet on, just one.

The bet on the playoff games. I'm not, literally, I have not looked at the bowl schedule. Celebration Bowl, Jackson State, Saturday? Less, I know Duke's playing Ole Miss, that'sation ball, Jackson State, Saturday? Less. I know Duke's playing Ole Miss, that's about it. Best gambling show in the country. Here is right side up, Peter. It's not a gambling show.

They're just good at diving into the numbers and giving you the underdog. They have, Jordan, what would you say is the greatest example of you guys knowing what you do? If I'm sitting here selling to people that you guys are good at this that you've been mining numbers for twenty years that you're looking for advantages in the smallest of margins how would you to go about proving to people that you're good at this

well there's this little thing called march madness that we've been doing for twenty years at the s p and it was called giant killers now we do it on our show and at the athletic as bracket breakers. And we have found trends in upsets and NCAA tournament games that have lasted the test of time. Okay, did you like Oakland over Kentucky last year? Because we nailed that. 15s over twos, 12s over fives,

we've been getting those for a year because we found patterns in the type of teams that come up with upsets and the type of teams that are vulnerable. We're looking at you Purdue, Virginia. Styles of play matter, strategies matter, and it's been fun. We got to talk about, we did a panel on this at Sloan once. It was fun. We talked about with underdogs from a variety of fields and the lessons we learned in college basketball, again big

crazy math things like three points is worth more than two points and taking the ball away from your opponent actually matters because they don't get a shot up, but those lessons really really hold true when you talk to people in a variety of sports. Again, doing something that is unconventional gives you a puncher's chance against a superior opponent and find your example, it's there. Peter? He's muted

Thank you that is underdogs It is the Underdogs podcast. It is right here on the DraftKings network. There we go. There we go. I was thinking, Peter! But on our own show, we have audio and right side up pictures.

So you have to tune in to find it. Peter, your answer seemed like it was so good. If it hadn't been muted, what would it have sounded like? I was gonna say we've been around so long, our original role models were Stadler and Waldorf from The Muppet Show, you know, the guy in the back. Ah, ah, ah, ah.

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The return of Juju Gotti on Thursday Thunder. We've got again, because four leg parles work so well. We're back on the four leg parlay ski, starting with the Thursday night game tonight. Why did you make it Polish or Russian? What did you, why did you add a ski there? No, it's just what we do. Why do you seize on it when he does it?

Juju does that all the time. A four team parlay, well, because these are hard to, these are hard to convert. Very difficult. Some saying for this show impossible. Well, last week you had Laporta. I love betting tight ends. So you just bet Laporta in two legs of the parlay.

You got that. We got three of the four legs, which we do routinely. Just like we did a couple of times ago. If you want to bet these single, you're doing all right. That's not what we're doing. We're like all four of them we're do first like squeaky wheel situation going on right now Debo Samuel over four and a half reception what does the dude damn it gets the ah gets the grease yes that's right all right no squeaky wheel needed for

the second leg of the parlay. Puka Nikua over 7 and 1 half receptions. He's good. Man, is he good. It looks like he's running in slow motion, but then he's always open. Where were he and Cooper Cup drafted? What were their prospects in terms of making the measurements?

Because I really don't understand how that team has been able to go straight from Cooper cups. Going to get the 2000 yard season to Pook is going to be just as the same kind of unstoppable. I don't understand it. Yeah. Famously low third leg of the parlay. I'm going to get for, get that for you in a second. Third leg of the parlay. We're going over to the basketball side of things. Toronto Raptors versus your Miami heat today over nine and a half points for scary Terry

He's gonna be traded He's gonna be trade him fighting with Bam over the rebound because he was one rebound short Oh Cooper cut not that low third round. No BYU star Pukin Akua fifth round 177th there. How's that possible? Scouting over there. No, well, is it good scouting or is it that the Rams know some things about-

Missed him four times. About a system that might explain how it is that those guys work well with their guy. Or David, if you look at it, four other times, they were like, ah, you know what? Nobody's going to pick them again and again and again and again, fifth round, bam, you get it. All right, last leg of the parlay.

We're going back to Thursday Night Football. Joann Jennings. He's a really good player, yeah. Joann Jennings, over 40 yards received. So squeaky wheel game for Debo Samuel over four and a half. Receptions, Puka Nakua over seven and a half. Receptions. Scary Terry over nine and a half receptions.

I was waiting for the lightning bolt. Not receptions, points. Yeah, excuse me, points. That would have been crazy to have Terry over nine and a half. It seems like we're in a contract here and you gotta get the difference between points and everything else correct. Yeah, but you know, you know.

Jawan Jennings over 40, regardless. Thank you. When he's healthy, he delivers. There's value there in his individual products. Can we talk about something that happened last night? I don't know if you guys were entertained by the in-season tournament. I am somebody who doesn't want to be cynical if you want to give me more stakes and want to invent different changes to make something more interesting. Baseball's certainly done that successfully and basketball is trying to keep up. baseball's certainly done that successfully and basketball is trying to keep up. So they have only tournament games last night and what happens last night is to me Trey

Young introduces himself back to Madison Square Garden to New York and to America last night. It feels like he's been gone for a year and a half. It feels like since we watched him knocked off, knock off this city in the playoffs that he then went right to the bottom of the standings could have been available to anyone if you wanted to trade for him as somebody who's gonna shoot from 40 feet and then last night Madison Square Garden in a sign of disrespect in the realm of flag planting at Melanie court while making fun of New York, New York that hates him, New York that he enjoys playing against and enjoys beating and beating there, he pantomimes that he's rolling dice on their court because he's at home and...

Well no, because they're going to Vegas. And he is, yes. That's why. Yeah, because they're going to Vegas, but also he's making fun of New York at the symbolic center of New York because he enjoys knocking off the Knicks. I love villains. Before the final whistle too,

like this is during the game as he's milking the clock, like he is taunting them at center court, reminding everybody, keep in mind, this is a guy that appeared when SmackDown was in Madison Square Garden. He appeared as a heel, had a whole Titan Tron entrance and everything just to absorb the booze. It's the only NBA game this season that I've tuned in for

start to finish because I wanted to see this spectacle and he delivered. You know in Vegas you don't have to bend over that much to roll the dice. I think there's a white guy situation happening with David. There's a white guy situation. There's two Americas when it comes to the dice. It's no, I know. But in Vegas, it's the crap stable. No, I know. I wasn't doing the Vegas. That's not a white guy thing. That's

West Side Story. That's guys and dolls. You illuminated me to the fact that he might be doing a Vegas thing. I thought he was doing a New York thing. I'm going to be a white guy with David. I think he was implying we're on our way to Vegas. I'm with you. The dice that you guys are talking about is usually on the ground, but he's trying to say Vegas there, but he's doing it. But that was a New York posture. Maybe he was trying to say both.

Wow, it's that meta. So that is a white guy thing. It didn't even occur to me that it was anything other than celebrating going to Vegas. I don't think he cares about going to Vegas. That was clearly- That's literally what they just passed their ticket for. Street gambling.

He was throwing dice on the side of the road, I don't think he cares about going to Vegas. That was clearly literally what they just passed their ticket for street gambling Yeah throwing dice on the side of the road But I love that what David did to show you that he was not the white guy is go not just West Side Story But also guys and dolls to Broadway shows He didn't go act he didn't go just I deny I deny what you're saying about me. I'm not that white Here are two things that show how gangster I am Westside story and guys and dolls when people fight and also sing and dance I got the horse right here. His name is Paul Revere. It's

Unbelievable you for tin horns. I thought that was BC boys Unbelievable. Fugue for tin horns. I thought that was Beastie Boys. He should have done. White guys. Whoa, what, what, what, what, what? Britney Spears' dance from her Vegas residency. The work bitch dance, you know, like the little.

I can't, that's like the vogue. I always try to do the vogue and I can't quite do it. I have no rhythm. It's pretty simple. You always try to do the vogue? Yeah, I always have tried to be that after the material girl video. So I try to do that and it just doesn't work. I'm just sitting here. Yeah, I always have tried to be that after the material girl video. So I try to do that and it just doesn't work.

I'm just sitting here. No, it's working. It's not working. Nothing that David is doing right now is working. I did not have West Side Story and Guys and Dolls as a defense coming up to prove you were less white. Well, there's a lot of Puerto Ricans in West Side Story. I don't view West Side Story as a white guy.

No, it's just brought, it's just brought, it's just all, it's the cultural references that is where you're showing your ass. It was nominated for best picture a couple years ago. Steven Spielberg. Yeah, what'd you think about the remake? Terrible. I didn't need it.

Absolutely not necessary. It's worse than Christian Bale Can you guys walk me through something that I've been interested about for years now? I don't know how long Francis Ford Coppola has been trying to make Mecalopolis, okay but the reviews that is getting are so bad that it will be an eternal bust and I don't know how much money he paid because He insisted on making this movie himself and it's a crazy gamble to make these things yourself and so I don't know how many tens of millions of dollars one of the

great filmmakers of our time has spent in his 80s to have his career punctuation be something that is an eternal and echoing expensive flop what are you guys laughing about I wanted to lock eyes, because I know I could tell if someone was scanning the room to lock eyes with somebody, he was looking for someone who also watched Megaflopolis. I needed anybody.

I also watched it. So you didn't, but you're doing this from a vantage point of not having seen it. The vantage point I have is not only that I haven't seen it, it's the following. I've been waiting for this movie for a long time. I've been wondering what does Francis Ford Coppola

wanna make so badly that he'll make it with his own money and can't get anyone to make it for him? And the words that I have heard about the movie since then have made me not want to watch it because everyone hates it so much. Oh, you must watch it. You must. You owe it to him to watch it because everyone hates it so much. You must watch it. You must. You owe it to him to watch it because of his career.

And Kevin Costner just did the same thing with Horizon. So it's not entirely uncommon to do a passion project. Steven Spielberg spent a ton of money on passion project involving the Holocaust. Not uncommon for someone like Francis Ford Coppola to be legacy fishing right now for himself. So I did not have the same reaction to you at all. And I am disappointed that you would react that way.

Well, I disappointed. It's disrespectful to him. No, here, look, you say it's disrespectful. So is Godfather 3. You say it's disrespectful to him. Or so. But it has been such a bad reaction from everybody. I'm not hearing anyone say this is a worthy movie of

this man's talent and so they've killed it for me before I've even gotten started and I haven't had that happen a whole lot to me where word of mouth kills my enthusiasm for something that quickly. He should have just been the head coach of the North Carolina Tar Heels instead. That got my curiosity stimulated this morning but you're you're talking about an 80-year-old guy, and I know the Costner story. Costner has lost a lot of money because he's Western-obsessed, and he thought that Yellowstone, he

was going to parlay that into Frontier, and it was terrible. Horizon. Horizon, excuse me. And it was terrible. It wasn't terrible. Well, it got. Did you see it? No, I have not.

So what are you talking about? Chase, I have not. No, I'm talking about. Jason, just go back to baseball. I think what he's saying is no one saw it. It got terrible reviews and it flopped at the box office as well and so has Megalopolis. But in the case of Costner, I'm not expecting what I expect from Francis Ford Coppola. How long has he been wanting to make this movie and how much of his own money did he pour into this because it's a different money that he has versus what Kevin Costner has? Costner came out and said,

I want to say the number was around over $50 million and the rumor is with Coppola that it's higher than that. But there may be a difference because Costner has a chance to make it back because it's a series of Horizon movies, though they did delay Horizon 2, but he's filming Horizon 3 and 4. Coppola just got it done in one movie.

Yeah, so we watched Michaelopolis and I think the bummer, because it's really ambitious and it's an impossible, it's a lot like Dune, how do you put this on film? It's difficult to make. And I think the thing standing in its way was a guy that wanted to make it the most because I watched it and I'm like, this is not well-made. This is like, there are, he wanted this take?

Really? It's all awkward. Everyone's got that like, you know how there's like a unique accent to movies made about like Odysseus and Troy, like Brad Pitt talks like, now you know who you're fighting. And you're like, what is that accent? Is that English? What is this supposed to be?

Everyone has kind of like that accent and delivery. It could just be an Adam Driver thing. I think we've got to start looking at Adam Driver when he stars in a movie that doesn't go well at all. Marriage story? Okay, he co-starred in that one. When he's carrying a movie, Girls?

When he's carrying something, it ain't working out for him. House of Gucci, same thing. House of Gucci is one of the worst films I've ever seen. And like, this was so bad. You are questioning publicly Adam Driver's leading man credentials. I'm saying there's a track record there that would make you concerned.

I believe him to be a talent. Did you see Ferrari? I did not. I'm getting to that one though. That'd be a good data point to have. Yes, it would be. But it also didn't do well in the box office. And like, if you put Adam Driver

as the star of your film, it more than likely flops. I'm just saying, this is a track record. This is not a matter of opinion. I'm just pointing you to the facts of your film, it more than likely flops. I'm just saying, this is a track record, this is not a matter of opinion. I'm just pointing you to the facts. So I watched it. More like Adam Passenger. And I wanted to really hate it the entire time.

Get out! He's right about that though, he's right. I watched it the entire time. We're proud of that. And I'm like, I'm not gonna be the guy that turns around on this film. This is a bad movie, This is not even funny bad. This is dreadful.

And the entire, I'm like, all right, Mike, checking in. Are you going to be snarky about it? Or are you going to hold the line? Hold the line. 90 minutes roll around. Hold the line. This is bad. Final act, this is genius.

This is one of the best bad movies I've ever seen. Because it's so audacious, so ambitious, so over the top, so overwritten, so over acted, so over directed that I came out saying, wow, that was a great time. I was also on 20 milligrams. Oh. I was watching that Zone Cold Sober, are you kidding me?

Well, let me understand something here. Tony, can you tell me? Well, let me understand something here Tony Can you tell me please how much money? Francis Ford Coppola put into his own movie to about 120 million dollars Obviously some other things that were brought in but about that amount Can you also tell me how long Francis Ford Coppola wanted to make this movie? He started developing it in 1983 to make this movie. He started developing it in 1983.

So now I want to ask you guys when it comes to legacy, because we were talking about this the other day and I was saying, man, Odell Beckham, he's got to be embarrassed by that one catch one yard on the Dolphins just given who he's been. When I present to you this information, Francis Ford Coppola has been wanting to make something for 40 years, he gets to the end of his life and it cost him 120 million dollars. His heirs. to make something for 40 years, that he gets to the end of his life and it costs him $120 million. His heirs. My God, it must hurt to have it received this way.

You're shaking your head. It doesn't hurt. He did it, he didn't do it for you. He didn't do it for the reviews. He didn't do it for the return. He did it because this was his life project. 40 years, he can put a bow on his career in his mind. He's not focused on your show and what you're saying about it

It might actually kind of be like the Belichick thing in that he's already got the greatest of all time You can't take it away from him So what if his career ends with like something that I'm laughing at on my couch at like 11 o'clock at night in 20 milligrams He's still he has like two of the greatest films ever that he can point to, and no one's ever gonna take that away from him. And all his friends probably tell him it's awesome. They're like, you did a great job, great movie, we love it. I'm not sure he thinks it's awesome.

It was very self-indulgent, but he could turn to me in a very dramatic Adam Driver type voice and say, am I not entitled that? You are really taking out that gangly Ichabod Crane Adam Driver. You are just crushing him. I did not crush him as hard as you did. Can you guys get for me the video of John Gruden and just in general can we talk finally about the fact that Barstool has resuscitated John Gruden's career that's got some crappy stuff in it that probably shouldn't be resuscitated, but John Gruden is a cartoon character, really loves football,

loves talking about football, and John Gruden has made his way to Barstool in a way that I've seen in the eating area here. You guys have arguments about the fact that, yeah, that's fun for a week, but once John Gruden's doing that all around the offices for a month, a lot of you have like, that's fun for a week. But once John Gruden's doing that all around the offices for a month, a lot of you have like, that's gonna get annoying. I think one person said that. One person said that.

And we didn't like that. We're a line. We're a line. We're football guys. We're Gruden grinders. Exactly right. Look, it's a lot like OJ Simpson doing Twitter videos. Do I feel some kind of way about it?

Yes. Sure. Am I still gonna watch it because of the open hello Twitter world? Yes, I'm going to, occasionally. You're not fascinated, OJ Simpson has. Who's feeling nicey? He's feeling, like John Gruden's feeling nicey. I'm in.

Who? So in this one still, it was a video that he put out because last weekend was a Gruden Bowl, Raiders versus Bucks. And so, you know, he's caught in between it. He has a famous Raider fan there and he's talking, he's doing his Gruden face. Do you notice anything about this photo, this still image?

Shirt's inside out. His polo shirt is inside out. A polo shirt inside out, like I can excuse, I can excuse a t-shirt inside out. That's happened. The polo shirt? The collar, like the polo shirt. The buttons are inside.

The buttons are inside. The buttons are inside. The patch is on the outside. Mike, you're right to be indignant about this. I don't feel qualified to criticize it as someone who once went to the zoo wearing my mother's too tight blouse without knowing it because I'd pulled it out of the dry cleaner. Yeah, you did that.

If Rudin got offered 50 for five, he'd leave Barstool pretty quickly, Dan. He is not making the money in media that Bill Belichick is. I don't know why you think that Bill Belichick isn't making or wasn't making a lot of money in media. I don't think you were paying attention to the number of job opportunities

that Bill Belichick was partaking in, and I also don't think that you're paying attention to the number of, the amount of money that Manning Kast and McAfee's and all these people are throwing around to get into this game. He's making more at UNC. Do you think it was done on purpose

because of how people would talk about it, like that's pretty insane, he has a polo shirt inside out, or did he have it inside out the entire day and no one told him? Was it done in haste? Yes. Was his shirt off right before the picture was taken? That's what we're trying to figure out. The internet is filled with wild speculation here

as to what kind of scenario. Reckless you could. What a great sentence, was it done in haste? What are you suggesting was happening? That's actually the writing that's in Megalopolis. Was it done in haste? Like, what do you, he was shirtless scrambling right before the photograph was taken.

Whoa, let me put this on. So it popped on my radar, and I gotta be honest, the take that was attached to this video was already leading the jury. It was. Like, did this guy just put on his shirt in a rush to film a selfie video? Because that's the only way like you can have you can go throughout the day with an inside out polo.

So wait a minute do I have it straight that once you guys are asking the question was it done in haste are you now intimating that John Gruden and a very famous Raider fan. The most famous Raider fan. I'm not doing anything. I'm just directing you to the internet. We don't know with who. We know with who. Whoop!

You don't. With whoop! You are saying Dun and Haste and then that he is scrambling to put a shirt on Inside Out and let me see it again here. Are you guys alleging that he is radiant and postcoital? And then further alleging, further alleging that the only passion shared, the only passion shared between these two people

are about perhaps Raider football or just Gruden football. But it's just football passion that's being shared here. But for some reason, a pink and bloated John Gruden had to in haste put on a polo shirt backwards because something breathless might have happened being shared here, but for some reason, a pink and bloated John Gruden had to, in haste, put on a polo shirt backwards because something breathless might have happened beyond conversation. Look, I'm not attaching a take to this,

but that does not look to me like a wardrobe that was done while someone was taking their time. Thoughtfully, yeah. Yeah, that was not like, okay, let me get my fit on in front of everything, good. Can I get some opinions from the room? Roy, can get a vote here? Are you voting? Yes or no? John Gruden put that shirt on in haste. Yes. All right and in haste because he was shirtless moments before Yes, because he was doing what you're trying to get him to save that thing

I think don't let him see it. Just put it on the the chat is saying The chat is saying he had sex before the show, before doing that video, which is really unfair with respect to all parties involved. But that is one of the hypothetical scenarios that you can concoct when you ask yourself, why is this person wearing a polo inside out? I think he could have been tanning,

which is why he's got the face that looks sunburned. No, he's always pink. He always looks like that. Maybe he's just an idiot. Yes. The shirt they had on before was worse than the shirt they had on. What would give you that impression, Jessica?

I don't know, like his 61 year life. It's feeling nicey. What would indicate to you that a great champion here would be an idiot throwing on a shirt from the laundry that he got inside out because he's probably been a frat boy for 40 years. You think he's just crunching film shirtless and he's like, oh, goddamn, man, gotta grab the shirt from the chair that's clothes that are too dirty to hang up but too clean to put on the hamper.

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